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Hidden Treasures Near 30th and Mission?

Today I moved to a new apartment in the Mission; I'm far enough away from my old place that I'll get to explore a whole new pack of restaurants. I'd love recommendations on places I can walk to from my new digs.

Up there, I like:
Lotus Garden
San Miguel

I wouldn't rush back to:
Blue Plate
Emmy's Spaghetti Shack

I have not tried and am curious about:
Good Frickin' Chicken
Nena's (Did I hear that there is a new owner, and breakfast isn't offered any longer?)

Where else should I go?

Also, are there any coffee shops (or anyplace, really) where I can get a decent take-out cup of tea that is not from Mightly Leaf?

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  1. Some nearby places I've liked include:

    Angkor Borei
    Mi Lindo Peru
    Front Porch
    La Ciccia

    Others have told me that Jasmine Tea House will do if you're desperate for nearby Chinese.

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    1. re: david kaplan

      Thanks, David! I forgot that I went to Mi Lindo Peru and liked it. La Ciccia and Incanto are both fairly close, I suppose, and I love them both.

      I read positive reports on Angkor Borei from DaveMP and Robert Lauriston; I'll have to check it out.

      1. re: david kaplan

        I have not seen anyone mention Thai Food, Pad Thai across from the BofA is great, every friend who I have ever taken there always go back I hope your not the exception. You should try Kum Kar Gai I think thats right it's a chicken lemon grass w/coconut milk soup DELISH, beef with oyster sauce it's only on the lunch menu but is you ask for it at dinner they'll make it for you and if you like pork they have this great fried pork, oh and lets not forget their fried banana w/coconut ice cream wonderful desert, my husband and i will go there jut for that. ENJOY!

        If you go again to Mi Lindo Peru try lomo saltado and ask if they will make you chimichuri wonderful with bread.

        1. re: Ruth Rodriguez

          I've been to Pad Thai several times and have always liked it. I think they cook in a somewhat different style that other Thai places like Dusit Thai. Prehaps a different region but I'm not enough of an expert to say.

          I like their kee mao noodles, which are typically served as a lunch dish

          They remind me very much of a Thai place I used to go to (in the '80s) all the time in Orange County's Little Saigon, called Duang Dara.

          1. re: Calvinist

            We just ordered delivery from Pad Thai for the first time on Sat. night and we were really impressed. It came quickly, even though they quoted us an hour. We especially liked the grilled sliced beef salad. There are a bunch of other things on the menu that look interesting: the "egg bomb", the grilled thai spiced game hen, a crepe filled with coconut, ground shrimp, ground chicken, peanut, tofu and bean sprouts. We'll have to order again soon.

      2. La Traviata (2854 Mission) is one of the better old-school Italian restaurants in SF. It has been in business a long time.

        1. Jasmine Tea House is pretty decent and they deliver. I've never actually eaten at the restaurant. I like the Sunflower Chicken, the Sizzling Beef and the Shanghai Fillet. Link to website with menu: http://www.jasmineteahouse.com/menu.html

          Also check out Yo's Sushi Club on Mission near 29th for good quality affordable sushi. Not a lot of fancy rolls and no cooked dishes as there isn't a kitchen but good for all of the basics.

          Yo's Sushi Club
          3369 Mission St, San Francisco, CA 94110

          Jasmine Tea House
          3253 Mission St, San Francisco, CA 94110

          1. You have hit a gold mine for $-$$ restaurants. Be sure to try Inka's across the street from Good Frickin' Chicken. Their rotisserie chicken is much, much better than GFC, and their yellow salsa made from Peruvian peppers is out of this world.

            Also, the Indian pizza at Zante (corner of Mission & Cortland) with tandoori chicken is tasty if not unusual.

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            1. re: Civil Bear

              Civil Bear, unfortunately, I have to disagree with you here. One of the worst meals I have ever had in my life - is Zante's Indian Pizza. I can only shudder at the thought of trying their Indian food.

              1. re: osho

                i had indian takeout from there once. it was pretty lousy. i wouldn't ever get it again.

                1. re: artemis

                  I don't like thier Indian food, but love thier Pizza.

                  1. re: TMTM

                    I too like the Indian pizza, delivered. I've never tried their "real" Indian food -- I usually order that from Al Hamra or Spicy Bite.

                    1. re: tara

                      I tried their tandoori chicken pizza once--complete with little shards of chicken bone. That was so disgusting that I've never set foot in there again.

              2. re: Civil Bear

                In my one visit to Zante's, I was served the most oversalted food I've ever tasted. Despite my having a preference for salty food and a tolerance for extreme saltiness, I found their food inedible.

              3. Hi
                I live over that way too. I like the papusas at El Zocolo (open very late on weekends) but their combo Mexican plates are pretty meh. Delivery and eating at Lotus Garden have been good, and I've like my delivery from Angkor Borei. There's a Martha Bro's on Cortland as well as a homey little Italian place, I think it's called Valentino's or something like that. I like it for simple stuff like eggplant parm (ordered with extra sauce), when I'm too tired to cook. I was intrigued by Brisas de Acapulco for about a year and finally went in very late one night (2am). The other tables were full and maybe we misordered but it was only ok. La Taqueria and Cancun are both good, depending on what you like. I often stop by Cancun and get a soda cup of their salsa verde to go. Front Porch had good crab grits but I was disappointed by their fried chicken, haven't been inclined to go back. I like Blue Plate, sometimes just for two apps and a glass of wine. Mi Lindo Peru is also good and I've had some good ceviche tostadas at Playa Azul but don't like their oysters (the giant, mushy, not local ones). I'm completely disappointed by La Traviata, worst gnocchi in my life and pastas cooked to mush. I had a warm and enjoyable meal at La Ciccia. I also recently had some horrible Indian delivered from Zante's (detailed on the worst of 2007 thread) and only ok delivery from Spicy Bite. Samirami's Imports at 26th and Mission can be a good resource for Middle Eastern sundries and the falafels at Old Jerusalem next door are good and only $0.35 each (cheap snack while walking home from bart, if you call ahead, they'll be ready when you get there). The stuffed falafels are larger and $1 each. I was unimpressed by my beef and lamb shwarema there (dry) but they have some compelling menu items and are friendly there in a reserved sort of way.
                I know not everyone agrees with me, but I like the Goodlife Grocery on Cortland well enough. Their meat counter has gotten a lot better in the last few years. The prices on some groceries are reasonable and they sometimes have interesting cheeses and wines. I also like the produce stand next to Al's Good Eats (which a friend of mine swears by for greasy spoon hang over breakfast), I think it's called Azteca. They have good queso fresco and some interesting rocoto chile import products. Oh, and I was underwhelmed by the dry chicken I got at GFC 2x and haven't been back since they expanded their dining room. Enjoy the hood, and I'll add more details if I think of them.

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                1. re: Candice

                  I also have been underwhelmed by GFC chicken. Driving by Valentino's the other day, it looked like there was a notice in the window re a change of ownership or something(? )

                  will post some more thoughts separately.

                  1. re: susancinsf

                    I think Valentino's is a change in investors, not the people running the place, but I don't know for sure.

                    On Cortland, I buy bottles of wine from Vino Rosso, which is also a good spot for a lite bite and a glass. They carry Italian wines you won't find at the Good Life (which doesn't have a bad wine selection either, just more predictable).

                    Vino Rosso's mark up on bottles isn't bad -- I've seen the same wine, at the same price, at Weimax on occasion.

                    1. re: Calvinist

                      And we go to Los Ponchos for papusas -- but that is as much for the '80s era Pac Man video game my seven year old likes to play there.

                2. welcome to the neighborhood!

                  No breakfast and new owners at Nena's? This is not good news...guess I hadn't been in too long.

                  La Ciccia is actually closer than fairly close to 30th and Mission: a few blocks at most. It and Lotus Garden are my two favorites in the neighborhood, judging by how often I eat there. Others I like that haven't been mentioned include:

                  Pastores (the best chilaquiles in town)
                  La Santaneca (a bit further south on Mission) for pupusas
                  Little Nepal on Cortland

                  I'd also go back to Olivia's on Mission to try more of the brunch dishes.

                  Spicy Bite is ok for Indian, but not compelling.

                  Be sure to get the ahmok when you try Angkor Borei; it was one of my top new bites this year.I have not had good luck with their deliver, btw.

                  And do report back on what else you find!

                  La Ciccia
                  291 30th Street, San Francisco, CA 94131

                  Angkor-Borei Restaurant
                  3471 Mission St, San Francisco, CA 94110

                  Lotus Garden
                  3216 Mission St, San Francisco, CA 94110

                  Olivia's Brunch and Fine Dining Restaurant
                  3771 Mission St, San Francisco, CA 94110

                  Little Nepal
                  925 Cortland Ave, San Francisco, CA 94110

                  Spicy Bite
                  3501 Mission St, San Francisco, CA

                  Pastores Restaurant
                  3486 Mission St, San Francisco, CA 94110

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                  1. re: susancinsf

                    Regarding Nena's, I think Dave MP tried to visit recently with his friends, and discovered they no longer offered breakfast. I'll have to fact-check with him when he's back in town.

                    Thanks everyone for your excellent and thoughtful recommendations. I need to get some of the best chilaquiles in town, stat!

                    1. re: pane

                      actually, I should say, that would be the best restaurant chilaquiles in town: I still like my own the best, but sometimes I get lazy and don't want to cook myself :-)

                      Pastores' Huevos Rancheros are pretty darn good too.

                      Just realized that I somehow left off the La Santaneca link: just to clarify, it is the one on Mission near College Hill, not the one near the 24th St BART Station (which is further from 30th and Mission). Not only is it very good, but it is very cheap, and (not surprisingly) often quite busy even when everything else in the immediate area is empty...will try to link one more time.

                      1. re: pane

                        my last effort to link La Santaneca

                    2. I am not much of a tea drinker, so can't answer your last question, but you might check out Nervous Dog Coffee Shop to see what they offer. Hubby swears by the place, and they have free WiFi...

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                      1. re: susancinsf

                        Nervous Dog is very cozy. Their tea is Mighty Leaf, though, which pane doesn't like.

                        Cup of Java on 28th and Guerrero has good cheap pots of tea, great bagels, and free wifi. Very bitter coffee though.

                        SoCha probably belongs on this list. Homemade muffins and on the weekends, egg in a hole (of brioche). Crummy tea selection, but inexpensive Odwalla OJ and great selection of literary mags. Free wifi. And at night, wine and live music.

                        1. re: Windy

                          Thanks for the clarification, Windy. I favor a malty breakfast tea like Barry's; Mighty Leaf tastes like old lady perfume to me. I even prefer Lipton to it.

                          Thanks to everyone who contributed to this. So far I've had a chance to hit up two places, Inka's and Olivia's.

                          Inka's chicken was very good, as promised, and the wait was also as long as people warned. I had a half rotisserie chicken ($10, I think), which had a crisp, nicely spiced crust; the yellow salsa Civil Bear mentions was also very good.

                          My friend ordered seafood fried rice (which looked exactly like fried rice from a Chinese restaurant, bits of fried egg and all), which was OK but a bit one note--she finished about a quarter of her huge plate and brought the rest home. It took more than an hour for our food to come out; I was catching up with a close friend, so the wait wasn't the death of us, but it would have been annoying if we were starving or not in the mood to chat.

                          I wanted to get Pastores famed chilaquiles, but they were closed Saturday. Nena's was also closed, and had a huge sign out front noting its change in management--it looks like American breakfast items (like Dave MP's waffles) did not make it on the revised menu. I trekked a few blocks out to Olivia's, which was open and serving.

                          The only other patron was a diner archetype: the old guy with tinted glasses who drinks a bottomless cup of coffee and loudly advises other patrons. Since it was just him and me, I got a lot of advice. And also a surprisingly solid breakfast.

                          The menu is pretty short: three or four basic omelets, pancakes, waffles, french toast, huevos rancheros. I ordered french toast, which I hadn't had in a while.

                          They practically had to wheel out the plate, which included about two cups of freshly chopped fruit salad (with strawberries, blueberries and pineapple), two slices of bacon, two sausage links, and two halved pieces of french toast, which were drizzled with a berry sauce and squirted with whipped cream. What's the word I'm going for? Decadent. This is probably what Oliver Twist and his fellow bedraggled orphans dream of eating. And it was cheap! This plate was $8. The french toast itself was decent, at the level of good home cooking; the berry sauce was too sweet, and I'm comparing it to *syrup*. I would return with a hangover and an anemic wallet.

                          While I was there, the cook spent most of her time pounding out fresh tortillas. I wonder if their Mexican dishes are as good a value as the American ones. Also of note: my Spanish is sub-basic, but I'm pretty sure a sign on the wall said that children under 10 eat breakfast free on Sundays.

                          1. re: pane

                            here's my Olivia's report from July:


                            yes, I'd say the Mexican dishes are a good value too: huge portions, solid if not spectacular food. Still want to make it back to try the huevos rancheros....

                            by the way, there is a new Mexican butcher shop that just opened in that block; they advertise goat. I hope to check it out soon.

                            And just a note on Pastores, I drove by Saturday while running errands, and yes, it definitely looked closed. However (while I didn't check) as an fyi, it often looks closed even when open, so it is worth checking the door to be sure, even if the blinds are drawn...

                            1. re: susancinsf

                              We were at Pastores Saturday night. It seems they had a HUGE rush for lunch. When we went there around 6:30 there was still a sign up saying they would return at 6:00. I think they ran out of food and closed to go shopping!

                              BTW they will be open New Year's Day.

                      2. Lucca Ravioli (Valencia@22nd) is a great Italian deli. If it is too far to walk, they do have their own parking lot.

                        1. Shiso by that Safeway has some of the best Chinese/Japanese food, available by delivery. I had doubts about the quality of dishes from a restaurant with separate Chinese and Japanese menus, and I still haven't eaten inside the restaurant, but I've had many deliveries from Shiso, and they always deliver, figuratively and literally. Several steps up from the numerous Chinese eateries in the city.


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                          1. re: vincentlo

                            I'm curious if they are under new (or new-ish) management. Do you know? I quit ordering from Shiso (Chinese food--before they installed the sushi bar) because the quality declined from one delivery to the next until they were actually supplying straight peanut butter with a certain appetizer instead of actual peanut sauce. That made me livid and I crossed them off my list for delivery. A few months later, I believe it was, I was craving a guilty pleasure, prawns with walnuts, and it was horrible and wretched.

                            Then, last week, I ordered some sushi to go at lunchtime after my workout at the gym next door. I spent $12 on 6 pieces of nigiri and the sushi chef asked me if that was my lunch. He remarked that such a lunch was not enough food. Um, like I should be spending more than $12 on lunch? At Shiso? Harumph. And why do I never see women dining there? It's very odd.

                            1. re: Atomica

                              Just try ordering only the chef's specials from the Chinese (i.e. not Japanese) menu. I never get the Americanized Chinese stuff like the deep-fried appetizers or walnut prawns.


                              1. re: vincentlo

                                After my detailed post, I find yours a bit condescending. Can you give pinpoint some examples of what you like to order at Shiso?

                                1. re: Atomica

                                  I didn't mean to be condescending, though now rereading my post above I could easily imagine it could be interpreted that way. There's nothing wrong to love walnut prawns, just like there's nothing to be proud of if you're a foodie that loves chicken feet or stinky tofu.

                                  At Shiso, try shiso lamb (not very Chinese eh?), mango prawn salad (not very Chinese again), Phoenix & Dragon (which is chicken, prawns, and veggies in a light sauce, unfortunately without the egg white), Singaporean fried rice sticks/noodles.

                                  With all this said, Shiso won't blow anyone's mind as a Chinese restaurant. I just found it as my default delivery place after many experiments with cr*ppy Chinese places. If anyone knows a better alternative that will deliver to SOMA, please post!


                                  1. re: vincentlo

                                    I heard from a few people Shiso's Japanese is horrible. Well, I'm Japanese and I think a lot of people don't really know the usage of Japanese ingredients (conFusion). Chinese and Japanese foods are completely different. Chinese is more like "to your face - strong smell and taste" and Japanese is "hidden taste" - enjoy the aroma and taste each ingredient"

                                  2. re: Atomica

                                    I didn't see v-lo's post as condescending. My reaction (and I bit my tongue at first) was that if you order Chinese delivered, I don't think you should necessarily expect the same quality as you would get at a sit-down meal. Chefs might be a bit cynical about delivery orders, and even if they give them due diligence, the food will suffer from the elapsed time.

                                    1. re: Xiao Yang

                                      I have eaten in at Shiso and thought it was just ok. And while I didn't think the post was condescending, I do think Vincent's original post was a bit unclear. Vincent appears to be saying it is some of the best Chinese in the City (which elicited a similar thought from me to that which Atomica apparently had, which was, 'really?; something must have changed for the waayyy better if that is true'),

                                      but actually I think Vincent is just saying it is some of the better delivery in our neighborhood.

                                      Which isn't saying much. (though I may give it one more shot). Unfortunately, there really aren't any good delivery options for Chinese that I have found in the neighborhood. When I want to eat Chinese at home I usually go to Wing Hing on San Bruno Ave (about a five minute car ride from my house) for takeout wonton soup and roasted meats, and when I want to eat at the restaurant, but don't want to travel far, I will head to either Zone 88 (also on San Bruno Ave) or to Lucky River on Monterey Blvd. Of all of those, Lucky River is probably my current favorite....

                                      Wing Hing Restaurant
                                      2550 San Bruno Ave, San Francisco, CA 94134

                                      Zone 88 Inc
                                      2428 San Bruno Ave, San Francisco, CA 94134

                                      Lucky River
                                      700 Monterey Blvd, San Francisco, CA 94127

                                      Shiso Restaurant
                                      3452 Mission St, San Francisco, CA 94110

                                      1. re: susancinsf

                                        Please tell me more about Lucky River. I look forward to trying the other places you mention on San Bruno Ave. as well. We've recently started frequenting Red House Bakery and had lunch in-house there. My husband says it's his favorite place now. We got a seafood noodle soup and mapo tofu, both of which were excellent.

                                        Do you ever order delivery from Yum Yum House (Valencia & 17th)? I've found their quality to be pretty good and delivery fast.

                                        I have to mention the name of a place, I think on Ocean, that always cracks me up: Eat First.

                                        Red House Bakery
                                        2818 San Bruno Ave, San Francisco, CA

                                        Yum Yum House
                                        581 Valencia St, San Francisco, CA

                                        1. re: Atomica

                                          We had a chowdown there, and it was great. I loved the spareribs. The set menus seemed like a good deal if you're feeding a group.


                                          1. re: pane

                                            Good luck getting the spareribs for delivery. I tried once on the phone and gave up. (We ended up with barbecued pork, not what we had ordered).

                                            We have gotten delivery from Lucky River a number of times and while it's occasionally okay, it's still just middling Chinese-American delivery. We did better last night than most with black bean chicken, beef with broccoli, mu shu pork, potstickers, combo chow fun with gravy, and eggplant with garlic (the best of the bunch, quite a good dish).

                                            But this was in contrast to an incredibly delicious feast I brought home from the Old Mandarin this weekend. No real comparison.

                                            No idea if Lucky River is much better in person. They are very nice people, and it's not expensive. My experiences with Shiso haven't been any better.

                                            1. re: Windy

                                              Based on the one time I've eaten there I would say Lucky River is much better in person. As the were only two adults one child in our party, we only got a few things, including a crispy chicken, walnut prawns and spinach.

                                              Anyone have any other favorite dishes that are on the regular menu?

                                          2. re: Atomica

                                            I wouldn't consider San Bruno especially walkable from 30th and Mission (as the OP specified) but have to chime in and second Z88. You have to go for the crispy eel!

                                          3. re: susancinsf

                                            by coincidence, hubby got some takeout from Shiso last night when I had to work late....I had a posticker when I got home (not good), a bit of tomato beef chow mein (eh), and some smoked hunan pork. Hubby ordered the later because he has fond memories of a similar dish at Henry Hunan's back in the day....and actually, the sauce was quite tasty, though the pork itself was flavorless and dry....

                                            I won't encourage him to make it a habit....

                                            1. re: susancinsf

                                              Henry's Hunan is opening up a location near 29th & Church in the old Joe and Eddie's (or whatever it's called) Personally, I think Henry's is poop but I'm from back east so all the Chinese out here kinda sucks in my opnion. Except Dak Win but I have a feeling I'm alone in that opinion.

                                2. So, nobody likes Avedano's Holly Park Market? I haven't been yet but it is my understanding it is the Bi-Rite of that area. Not the same owners, just the same type of upscale neighborhood market. They might even have tea. I read the owner makes up some of her own blends.

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                                  1. re: rworange

                                    nothing like Bi-Rite: think tiny with a very limited selection. unless it has expanded greatly since I was in there. they do have a sandwich of the day however (Haven't tried the sandwich yet).

                                    1. re: susancinsf

                                      So anyone tried the Sunday carintas? There was quite a bit of, uh, yelping going on about how specitacular they are. I see on this month's menu they had a Yucatan Stew. The aqua frescas are supposed to be great too. You know, Yelpers can be quite tight with their pocketbooks and yet they seem enchanted with this place and willing to throw buckets of money at it. I keep meaning to get over there, especially on a Sunday, but I always forget since its not on my current migration path.

                                      They also had a sandwich with morrel jack cheese. That sounds interesting. I wonder if the jack cheese has morrels in it. Ok, now I'm going to have to move them up on my list.

                                      1. re: rworange

                                        I have my issues with AVEDANO'S (note: it's not "Avendano's," a spelling I see repeatedly, or "Avenado's") and was hoping it would be a lot less uber-elite, but I have to give it to them for a sandwich I reported on a few weeks ago. Their porchetta panini is absolutely one of my "top bites" of the year. Don't know whether it's still on the menu.

                                        Comparing it to Bi-Rite frankly never crossed my mind. They might have 1/100 of the stock of Bi-Rite. If it were a lot more like Bi-Rite, I would jump for joy.

                                        I've also had some fairly chilly service, but that particular person seems perhaps painfully shy rather than outright rude. I'm choosing to take it that way, anyway. There is sometimes a different and somewhat friendlier person at the counter as well.

                                        1. re: Atomica

                                          The neighborhood gossip I heard was that the Avendano's people really want to specialize in prepared foods, cheeses, sandwiches, etc., but the landlord requires that the space be rented to a butcher shop, as it has been for the many decades they've owned the building.

                                    2. re: rworange

                                      Yes, Avedano's is tiny. They have a choice selection with a few wonderful things and some that are merely expensive. Good fresh meat, not especially friendly service, which makes it less likely you'll ever find about that tea.

                                      I've had much better luck with the meat and prepared foods counter at Canyon Market, where they do bake their own breads and enquire how your yoga class was, whether you found the soup you were looking for, etc.

                                      1. re: rworange

                                        We live in Bernal, and just yesterday I went to Avedano's to check it out. What a disappointment! There were maybe 3 fish in the case, some bacon, a lamb chop or two, and a handful of sausages. The refrigerator case had five types of French butter and one brand of yogurt. They also had some high-end jams and jellies. That was it. It's tiny, I was the only one in there, and no one spoke to me or said hello or offered to help me.

                                        Avedano's is hardly a butcher, much less a market. It is nowhere near a Bi-Rite. Bi-Rite's produce area is larger than Avedano's entire store. I can't imagine going back in there anytime soon. But it's certainly convenient, and I'd love to change my opinion. Can someone give some input -- what redeems this place other than it being a locally-owned neighborhood storefront?

                                        1. re: foodiesf

                                          I have to report that 5 days after foodiesf's post, I just stopped in at Avedano's about half an hour ago for a sandwich. The meat counter is now fully stocked. Foodiesf, you should go in again and check it out. For the first time going in there, I was actually excited about their business being in the neighborhood. They really *are* a butcher now because they now buy primals and portion the primals themselves (unlike Drewes, who people seem to like, but have done me dirty over and over). Buying and portioning primals is a new thing for Avedano's. Also, due to their "Local Food," sign in the window, I have been encouraging them every so often to try selling certain products. For example, they have dried beans, but all the way from Italy. That's just silly, with Rancho Gordo beans, posole, hot sauces, etc., being available from Sonoma. Anyway, anyone who went and looked at their meat counter and kind of muttered "what the hell?" to themselves (like me!), have another look.

                                          1. re: Atomica

                                            Is it just that they hadn't started butchering yet, or do you think they have more meat choices on certain days of the week?

                                            1. re: Windy

                                              I'll be sticking my head in there sometime this weekend.

                                              1. re: Windy

                                                They apparently hadn't started butchering yet. I registered some surprise at the amount of meat choices they had, and the woman working said, "Yeah, we're doing things a little differently," buying primals, etc. I asked how it had changed, and I didn't really hear or understand the answer very well -- I was chasing after a small kid too. Anyway, it wasn't Melanie or Tia working, so maybe it was Angela . . . don't know, but she was very helpful and friendly. I do see a Aug. 2007 article in 7x7 (editorial comment: blecch) saying they butchered primals back at that point too. I dunno. All I know is that they actually had a large selection for the first time that I've seen. Wish I could be more specific.

                                        2. Susan, this is for you ...or rather your husband. I was reading through the avenado's website again and they have Daily Scoop gelato. The spumoni is spectacular. One of the best I've ever had. If you are interested you might call them and see if they carry that flavor.

                                          Hmm ... I see their catering menu has suckling pig ... but you'll probably pay through the snout for that. Dang, they had Heritage turkeys. I wish I had seen this sooner, I would have ordered one for the holidays. I'd rather have somone else do the roasting of a heritage bird for me. It took me five years just to learn how to roast a regular bird.

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                                          1. re: rworange

                                            oohh darn....you are about three hours too late: actually, it isn't my husband who is the spumoni fan, it is sister Janet's! (that's ok, folks confuse us all the time:-)). But, he was in town today, could have stopped in. Thanks for the tip for the future though....

                                            suckling pig, now that appeals to me...

                                            1. re: susancinsf

                                              Darn...we won't tell DH about missing out on spumoni, ok?? But he had idli/sambar and puri chole at Vik's today, so he was reasonably happy.....

                                          2. Has anyone tried Universal bakery, about 5 doors up from Pastores) It's packed during the day with folks buying tamales, and other prepared foods, by the dozen!