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Tip jars - love 'em? Hate 'em?

I think counter service has gone crazy out of control with these tip jars showing up everywhere. The dry cleaner, coffee shop, ice cream parlor, etc. Hell, I'm expecting to find a jar strategicly placed at the reception desk of my OB/GYN.

Tips were generally reserved for those being paid less than minimum wage or for service folks that went above and beyond in service. Now, every Jane & Joe wants a tip just for acknowledging your presence.

What really blew me away was a recent trip to a Starbuck's drive-thru where there was a tip jar right smack in the middle of the takeout window. I had to reach over it to grab my coffee!

I consider myself a generous tipper and have worked in the restaurant industry much of my adult life... but I think the tip jar has gotten way out of hand. I hate feeling guilted into tipping someone undeserving. Does that make sense? No one wants to be perceived as a cheapskate. I think shop owners have a duty to eliminate these jars where they are inappropriate.

Anyone else care to way in?

(So sorry, I just realized that this topic has been beaten to death in previous posts!) - edit

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  1. 99-44/100% of the time, I ignore them.

    1. I'm neutral about tip jars. I don't like the ones with a note taped to the jar like the old chestnut "tipping is good karma" or "please help our vacation club" etc. If I've gotten really good service, I'll throw in any decent change left from my purchase or $1 if I'm a regular. Last time I threw in some spare change, the "barista" at Starbucks really gave me a big sincere thank you. People share these tips and it goes a long way in stretching their salary. However, don't be guilted or feel you have to tip - it's your money.

      1. Oh Lynn, once again you are spot on. A few years ago I worked at an ad agency in South End (Charlotte, of course). There was a sandwich shop I will not name, near from Atherton Mill. They made unbelievable sandwiches. The bread was so good! It would have been the perfect lunch spot were it not for the TIP JARS! Not only were they everywhere but they had threatening things written on them like "Tipping is not a city in China". Swear! And the sandwiches weren't cheap. Needless to say, the place was out of business in about 18 months. It was downright hostile.

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        1. re: southernitalian

          they had threatening things written on them like "Tipping is not a city in China".

          I don't get it. How's this threatening? Do they come up to your face with the tip jar and shake it at you?

          1. re: PeterL

            I was trying not to give away the place too much because it wasn't just here that I've seen the agressive tip-begging going on. The signs in the jars were written in bold, black Gothic letters. Like they didn't want you to miss. The city and China one was the only one I'd post here. the others were worse. And they'd watch you closely when money was exchanged to make sure some of it wound up in the tip jar. Come to think of it, I don't know why we ever went there. Says something about how good their sandwiches were!

            1. re: southernitalian

              southernitalian
              If I was that upset about a tip jar (And it's pretty far down on my 'Annoyance List' ,) I simply would not frequent the establishment. No sandwich, no matter how well put together, is worth your reaction.

              1. re: Tay

                Well the place is closed so I think everyone but me voted with their feet. I'm a whore for a good sandwich, I guess.

                1. re: southernitalian

                  Ha! Being the victim of a hospital cafeteria five days a week, I was thrilled when a Thai restaurant opened within walking distance of work. Eventually they began to piss me off with increasingly thinly disguised opportunities to tip them, and it got to be laughably regular. First, you order at the window, where there's a tip jar, of course. They eventually bring out your food, after ignoring you until that time. Then they start coming by at shorter and shorter intervals, a'smilin' away and asking repeatedly if they can get you anything else. Mind you, you've been on your own for drink refills and so forth up to that point. Finally they bring you out a fortune cookei per person in a check billfold- so you can leave them another tip for bringing you a fortune cookie. It got so annoying I quit going there- unless somebody else was doing takeout and offering to pick stuff up for other people.Their food's good, but it's not THAT good, and the service really isn't service at all.

          2. re: southernitalian

            Ha! And that is offensive. I suppose to rogue crowd that's funny. But really, it's like saying, "hahaha, but seriously, tip us".

            Oh, and how about the places that ring a bell, do a dance and sing out in unison, "Thanks!!!!" when you throw a tip in the jar. UGH!!!! But as another poster mentioned, it's annoying when you do toss a dollar in the jar and they don't acknowledge it. God, when did I become so difficult???

            1. re: lynnlato

              lynn...
              I'd be saying "hahaha, but seriously, No way!" :-}
              No... Not really. Sometimes, kids get carried away with their . uhhh...creativity
              in terms of tip jar 'art' I don't think it's that big of a deal. If it really bothered me, as I wrote to southernitalian, I'd just stop frequenting the place.

          3. I despise tip jars. Unless you have a waiter or bartender, chances are the person behind the counter is getting paid at least minimum wage. I find them incredibly tacky and greedy. I try not to frequent places that have them. My sister-in-law is a manager at Starbucks and she thinks their great.

            My other issue is that owners expect tips. I was brought up that you never tip the owner because they're generally getting a cut of the price no matter what.

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            1. re: AlyKen

              I find it akin to panhandling, especially when the jar says "college/vacation fund".

              And here's something more fundamental to its logistics. I'm expected to tip during my order at the counter, which is way prior to most of the service upon which I might base said tip. Are there clean tables to sit at? Am I expected to bus my table? Is my order brought to me with a smile or do I pick up? All this goes into calculating tip, which I am expected to do up front. This is the polar opposite of table service, where tip is at the end, when I can make a sound judgment as to quality of service.

              As for "Tipping is not a city in China". Last time I saw that classy sign, it was at a pizza shop with horridly unfriendly service, lovely folk who can never grunt a pleasant word. To one of the meanies at the counter I said cheerily while pointing it out: "You're quite right. And "Thank You" is not a city in Korea!"

              [To the person who did not find this sign offensive: it was next to a drawing of a $ sign with a slash through it, an = sign, and a photo of a burnt slice, so yes, it was very much a threat.]

              And to people who tip at such places because they believe the help is underpaid: do you tip your children's teachers? If you subscribe to such a mindset, perhaps you ought to. They are most certainly underpaid and are educated professionals, some of them with multiple masters degrees.

              1. re: Leonardo

                Everyone deserves to be shown gratitude for the services they give, especially if they are hard working.

                1. re: jdawn73

                  Yes, and the proper way to do that for a job that is not customarily tipped is (1) to respond "You're welcome" when the employee says "Thank you" (one hopes the employee is thanking customers for their business - if the employee isn't, the employee needs to go to Customer Service 101), and (2) return to give the establishment (and its employees) more business.

                  1. re: jdawn73

                    Yes. Everyone DOES to be shown gratitude for the services they give--it's called a performance review and with great service comes a raise. It is not up to me to supplement everyone's income. Having lived in NYC, I generously tipped the delivery people. I tip for counter service at a sit-down diner. I will tip my servers when I am dining. However, I find the tip cups becoming increasingly annoying and cloying. In this current economy, I do believe the employers are becoming "cheap" with their staff in many instances and expect the tip cup to get filled. There are business in which I am fully aware that staff is getting paid very well.
                    So no. I ignore the tip cup 98 percent of the time.

                2. re: AlyKen

                  Isn't it incredibly tacky and greedy to expect someone to serve you for minimum wage? I bet you're not simple to serve.. Of course you shouldn't tip owners, but it's rude to expect their employees to serve you and not give them the respect you would a bartender or server if they prepare something for you.

                  1. re: jdawn73

                    Tacky? A lot of things get called tacky on this board and I think I no longer understand what it means.

                  2. re: AlyKen

                    Its never too late to respond to this... Owners get a cut of the price no matter what?? You are obviously not a business owner. We pay for everything, and until the business is well established, tips can be our only income (or, in many cases, be additional funds to pay for the expenses of the business!). And if my customers think that tipping isn't very important to me personally, my employees may also miss out on valuable tips. You tip for SERVICE, regardless of who gives it to you. When my business gets to the stage that it is supporting me, I won't take any portion of the tips - I'll distribute them fairly among my employees. But until then, tips are buying my meager dinner, and I work as hard or harder than anyone on my staff to provide excellent service.

                  3. I usually throw a dollar or my spare change in. I worked for a lot of years at a counter job and learned that minimum wage is not equal to a living wage. The extra money in the jar at the end of the night was a big help.

                    But a drive through window is getting a little greedy.

                    1. I usually ignore tip jars, too, but Mrs. ricepad would tip her OB because of the warmed instruments.

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                      1. re: ricepad

                        Hopefully the counterworkers on occasion have the luxury of ignoring you. Even just for a couple minutes. Ugh, the sense of self-entitlement on here makes me sad.

                        1. re: jdawn73

                          You're barking up the wrong tree: Your self-entitlement jab should go to the counterworkers who put the tip jar out there in the first place. Be saddened, but not on my account. And those counterworkers that ignore customers run the risk of losing business for their employers.

                          1. re: jdawn73

                            Do you not feel that tipping has gotten entirely too out of hand?

                            And, how, exactly are some exhibiting self-entitlement here?

                          2. re: ricepad

                            You clearly don't live in the horrible-summered southern Arizona desert, or Mrs. ricepad would pay extra to have everything chilled. I would, especially right now.

                            1. re: EWSflash

                              Quite true...having visited the Arizona desert every summer for 15 years (Mom grew up in Phoenix, so we visited family during summer break), there's no way I'd live there!

                          3. Third choice = Ignore them

                            What surprises jfood is that servers are not more upset about it than he has seen on these boards. It sort of demeans their value-add at restos.

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                            1. re: jfood

                              Not to mention, who carries cash anymore?

                              1. re: southernitalian

                                I don't mind a tip jar at a counter where the staff is obviously working hard, but I do have a problem with "double-dipping". I was in a trendy burger place in Dallas last month where you order at the counter and they call your name to pick up your food. There was a tip jar on the counter. Although I was paying with a credit card (expense account) I dropped a buck in the TJ, and the cashier gave me a friendly smile and a hearty 'Thanks"! Then she handed me my credit card slip to sign, which had an additional line for the tip. Do I also tip there? Well, in this case I did (and if my employer is reading this, I hope it doesnt matter) but I was startled to see that.

                                I love the expression "Tipping is not a city in China" .... too funny, It is sad that they have become so ubiquitous, however. Not to mention aggressive. If I were a proprietor, Im not sure I would allow or encourage it. But then again, if I owned a restaurant I would pay my staff a decent wage, and probably, sigh, go broke soon thereafter.

                                1. re: southernitalian

                                  That is why I have my rechargeable Starbucks card...I don't carry cash and can't tip...and also tell that to the panhandlers.

                                2. re: jfood

                                  YEP! Having waitressed my way through school I do find it rather insulting. My gosh I busted my butt to make good tips. Standing behind a counter brewing coffee just doesn't seem the same as hustling from table to table, running food, taking orders, ect. -not to mention the fact that as a good server I took the time to get to know my tables (especially my regulars), and always tried to go above and beyond. I think this is deserving of a tip, not asking the customer for a small/regular/large.

                                  On a side note, there is a local chain of Mexican drive-thrus whereI am that have tip cups at their drive-thru window (a new one to me)! I don't know how they fend off the easy theives though.

                                  1. re: enbell

                                    you've never tipped a barista in vegas,I take it.
                                    if they bother to clean the machine, they deserve a tip!

                                  2. re: jfood

                                    I agree with jfood and have wondered the same myself.

                                  3. Next time, ask "which holiday?"

                                    Alternately ask why they don't combine President's Day with Valentine's day and just call those "February Holidays"...

                                    <had to get it out, too>

                                    1. Tip jars don't really bother me, but that's cause I almost always ignore them!

                                      1. I am going to ignore them from now on too. They should be greatful for my repeat business and recommendations to their establishment. I still feel guilty though if I don't leave anything. The worst is when you do drop a dollar in and they don't see you do it-I felt like George from Seinfeld at the pizza place!!

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                                        1. re: chocchipcookie

                                          Hahaha....I was just thinking the same thing. At his boss Steinbrenner's favorite calzone place he puts in the dollar but the guy turned his back. So he reached in to take it out so the guy would see him putting it in. Of course, the guy wheeled around just in time to catch George, accuse him of stealing, and ban him from the place!

                                          1. re: chocchipcookie

                                            The employees should be grateful that you give them more work and make their bosses richer, that makes sense.
                                            Some people shouldn't be allowed to be customers.

                                          2. I ignore them unless I put them there myself. Huh, you ask? Many times I have been charmed in a comfortable setting by soft music from a piano, or violin, or harp, or a melliflous female singer, and wanted to acknowledge my appreciation, realizing that they are doing what they love and are not paid well for it. Then to find they didn't have a tip jar. (I guess the practice is considered crass or not permitted in some places). So I get a glass from the bar, put a sawbuck in it, and put it on the piano or whatever other level surface is nearby, and hope that others follow suit.

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                                            1. re: Veggo

                                              I've worked a second job as a bar DJ, and have had people do this for me. I myself would never solicit tips for just playing music, requested or not, but I'm not going to turn it down. It's a sign I have done the person right, which is gratification enough.
                                              Now, when it comes to catered affairs, I would not dare have one anywhere near me. I've seen it done, even at weddings, and could not believe the audacity.

                                            2. HOWEVER- I have noticed at the taco shops in San Diego...if I throw *something* in the jar- make a noise with pennies even- my food comes out first and I usually have a larger portion of the randomness that is stuffed in a burrito....

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                                              1. re: Cathy

                                                Cathy
                                                I have noticed the very same thing here in NYC. I think it's their way of thanking us for thanking them. :-}
                                                As for addressing the general topic of tipping jars. I figure it's anyone's right to put them out and my right to choose/decline to contribute. Personally,I am usually glad to unload the increasingly weighty growing pile of change that ends up creating an anchor worthy handbag. I certainly don't find it nearly as annoying as the obnoxious "Added gratuity" of 18% that many restaurants include as part of a meal.

                                                1. re: Tay

                                                  As I said before in another thread, I'm going to put one on my desk at work and hope every time somebody asks me to do something they'll unload some of that unwanted change.

                                                  Tay, if your change is such a burden, give it to me. I'm sure I can make use of it. With all the loose change accumulated every day for year, I was able to pay for half of my wedding.

                                                  1. re: MrsT

                                                    "if your change is such a burden, give it to me."

                                                    Or you can just spend it. :) Does no one else take the extra 10-15 seconds to pull out change, if they have it? I shove quarters in a back pocket for laundry, everything else "outflows" as quick as I can manage it. No fuss, no muss. ;)

                                                    1. re: MikeG

                                                      You two are funny :-}
                                                      Mike you're a guy so that whole back pocket thing works for you but it wouldn't for me. Believe me, if I could dig out the change in 10-15 sec, I would and sometimes, if I'm wearing a jacket or pants with pockets, I do.
                                                      It's not that change is "such a burden" it's just that I have noticed I have a tendency to keep tossing it into my bag where it sinks into the murky depths never to be seen again until/unless I change bags. I tend to shop locally and the good will that a little change fosters works in my favor. A lot of the personnel in these local stores are school age teens working p/t jobs. If they're working, they're not obtaining their spending money in less admirable ways. I'm happy to support their efforts with some spare change. I'm not saying that works for everyone, but it does for me.
                                                      I say again, It's their perogative to put out a Tip Jar, and mine to contribute or not. I've not had the negative vibe experience that some here claim to have experienced.

                                                      1. re: Tay

                                                        I wasn't addressing you specifically Tay, handbags are a definite issue and if someone is the sort of person to stand there slowly digging out change penny by penny, I'm certainly sympathetic to my lack of desire to stand there watching them do it :) But I've know more than a few men who just "can't be bothered" and don't even "bother" using small bills until they run out of big ones. Why it's easier to dump all that change at the end of the day and then spend the time converting it at a later date has always, for a lack of a better word, confused me... One more than one occasion it's obvious from the personality involved that they can't be bothered with much at all that inconveniences them personally in any way at all...

                                                        (Again, not speaking to you, just addressing the comment I quoted.)

                                                        1. re: MikeG

                                                          Ahhhh... Gotcha... : That's just the paranoid NYC'er in me :-}
                                                          I admit I am more inclined to 'go treasure hunting' in my bag if there isn't anyone behind me, but here in NY, there is usually someone behind me... And they're usually sighing, or hopping from one leg to the other, so I tend to not want to hold up the line and just move along. I think I'm taking those obnoxious Visa debit card commercials too serioulsy.
                                                          I'd say "Let them eat cake," but that's a thread for another day :-}}

                                              2. I am a bartender.

                                                I had mirst gratuity job as a busser 30 years ago

                                                I have mixed feelings about tip jars.

                                                I think it is appropriate to tip a coffee shop employee when you are having a cappucno or latte because these products are labor-intensive.

                                                There is no need to tip for picking up a cup 'o' joe to go when all the counter person/"barista" is doing is pulling a handle.

                                                I do tip for ordinary coffes at my local Starbucks because i am a regualr customer and the staff at the Berklee/Mass. Ave. location works hard.

                                                No, it is not equivalent to being a server or bartender who will not earn at all without gratuities.

                                                Sadly, I think that the existence of tip jars in counter service establishments lead to give aways.

                                                This toxic mix of bribery and theft has longed plagued adult beverage service and it seems to be spreading rapidly.

                                                I find them insulting when placed at the counter of convenience store, dry cleaners...etc.

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                                                1. re: postemotional1

                                                  Tipping at a Starbucks, given the overpriced cup of hot water that it already is?

                                                  Wow, you all are certainly generous.

                                                  1. re: dolores

                                                    The important part to postemotional1 seems to be the fact of being a regular and knowing the staff a bit. I wonder whether he/she tips at other Starbucks locations.

                                                    I think I must ignore them/not see them because I'm not aware of nearly so many tip jars as it appears must be out there.

                                                    1. re: ccbweb

                                                      Could be, ccbweb.

                                                      However, the more I read, the more I now hate tip jars.

                                                      1. re: ccbweb

                                                        If I order a labor intensive drink I do tip. I follow this guide at Smoothie King as well. At my home court Starbucks I sometimes get quicker service because I am a regular. For this a tip is deserved just as I favor my regulars by cutting them ahead at the bar.

                                                        No thank you=no tip even at my home Starbucks. For the most part it is offered an a 10% tip is fine. Once again Starbucks employees make at least 1/2 of their pay from the clock.

                                                  2. Tipping jars?

                                                    Please dont get me started.

                                                    1. When I worked in a winery tasting room I definitely agreed with our no-tip-jar policy, even though it probably cost me money. Often people didn't realize they were allowed to tip me or that it wouldn't be offensive to do so, so they would only tip if they saw it done by somebody else first. Still, tip jars indicate that tipping is expected, and it shouldn't be in these situations. Tipping is appreciated (greatly), not expected. I'm going to give customers the best service possible because, hey, that's my job and I'm compensated for that. If they feel I've gone above and beyond and want to reward me, all the better. I feel better without the tip jar because then they know they're getting good customer service because they deserve it, not because I'm waiting for them to put some money in the jar.

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                                                      1. re: emmo42

                                                        >>>Still, tip jars indicate that tipping is expected,

                                                        Expected?

                                                        That's an interesting comment and I'm back to 'I'm glad I ignored them in the past and I'll be ignoring them even more in the future'.

                                                        I'll ask the question here as I did about the servers at another thread and was blown away by the answer. What do the people (obviously not the owner) working behind a counter get paid? The minimum wage? A salary by the owner? A certain level of pay and then they are EXPECTED to make up the difference with tips?

                                                        Because, if they are not paid an abominably low wage an hour, as I've read that the servers are, and they DON'T have to expect to make it up in tips (for what, walking between the serving window and the counter to hand it to me?), then why in the heck should I be 'expected' to tip them?

                                                        I'm not, of course, I'm just wondering how these counter people are treated by owners.

                                                        What next, tipping at the DMV?

                                                      2. Whatever happened to the good, ole "Thank You". We've become such a money driven society that you can't just simply thank someone anymore... you gotta give 'em money or a gift too.

                                                        The neighbor watches your dog for a weekend? Gotta get them a gift card as a "thank you". Cashier hands you a coffee? Gotta give 'em a dollar tip. It's all so excessive.

                                                        There's something to be said for a simple and sincere "Thank You". Hell, I can remember when cashiers actually thanked the customer (shock!) for making a purchase. Now, cashiers hand you your change and say "your welcome". Ha!

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                                                        1. re: lynnlato

                                                          So true.

                                                          Guess you haven't dealt with most of the cashiers in my geographic area. When offered a 'thank you', the learned response seems to be a grunt. When expecting a 'thank you' and a sarcastic 'YOU'RE WELCOME' is proffered, the learned response is still a grunt.

                                                          Disgusting but true.

                                                          1. re: lynnlato

                                                            This doesn't apply to restaurants, but your post ("Hell, I can remember when cashiers actually thanked the customer (shock!) for making a purchase") reminded me of one of my banks, a multinational conglomerate with branches around the globe. The customer service reps are unbelievable. When I remarked to one that she was very gracious, she replied, "Remember--without customers like you, where would I be?" When I went in yesterday, I was actually offered coffee, tea, or water. I nearly fell out of my chair. She apologized for keeping me waiting--I had only been there for less than 2 minutes. Mind you, I do not have lots of money with this bank.

                                                            Gracious and wonderful customer service--sans tipping--does exist, albeit in places that might not come to you right away.

                                                            1. re: lynnlato

                                                              "Whatever happened to "

                                                              Welcome to the age of neo-mercantilism. But I'm with you. What on earth is up with that "you're welcome" business? Unless the person has acted like I'm a mannequin, I always say "have a nice morning/afternoon/day/whatever", etc. But I'm not about to thank someone for letting me help pay their salary. On the other hand, most cashiers bag stuff so badly these days I do make a point of thanking someone, seriously, when they don't force me to re-pack it myself (which I usually make a point of doing about a foot away.) If they do something more, sure I'll say thanks, I always do, but otherwise, yeah, I find that totally offensive and it usually just gets 'em a raised eybrow and quick view of my back...

                                                              1. re: lynnlato

                                                                One of my favorite grocery stores posted the following sign on their exit doors.
                                                                Please do not tip the person carrying out your groceries. Providing you great service with a smile is our job.

                                                                Thank you for a) paying your employees and b) letting me know up front what is expected. They also had really good service.

                                                              2. The existence of a tip jar doesn't bother me, it's pretty easy to ignore them when I want to. What bothers me is when the cashier automatically puts my (coin) change in the jar instead of handing it back to me. This has happened a couple of times at Starbucks.

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                                                                1. re: viperlush

                                                                  Noooooooo, seriously viperlush! Holy cow.

                                                                  1. re: dolores

                                                                    Yup, both times BF and I just stared at them with a confused look. It was only a few pennies and I'm sure I would have put them in the jar anyway (I hate pennies), but it was still my change.

                                                                  2. re: viperlush

                                                                    Reach in there and grab a bill...

                                                                    1. re: viperlush

                                                                      I would ask to speak to the manager. That's stealing, in my opinion.

                                                                      1. re: viperlush

                                                                        Yeah, that's just so wrong it actually made me stop sipping my coffee for a moment. (Not Starbucks, thank goodness or the irony would have done me in). Presumptive change-keeping. I tend to brush off most bad service situations one way or another, but even I would be speaking with the manager and employee together at that point.

                                                                        1. re: viperlush

                                                                          What did you say?!!!????
                                                                          I'm pretty easy going, and tend to avoid confrontations in regular life since I have a lot for my line of work...... but I don't think I could let that go by, even if it was just a little change.

                                                                        2. Tip jars are disgusting and I have emailed Starbucks and never got response. They are 'reaching' for money. My opinion is that if someone does not like their pay they should aspire for a higher paying position. Many times in a small take out restaurant like a Chinese or Pizza its the freaking owners reaching for tips... talk about CHUTZPAH. Thats part of the downfall of customer service. Everyone thinks they are 'entitled' to something. Newsflash: I am a paying customer , I am 'entitled' to respect and dignity. So obviously if its a place you frequent , the person may give you skimpier sandwiches because you do not tip. This can actually 'hurt' these restaurants not build up morale for their workers.... which is probably why owners allow this. Sort of let the workers be happy and it does not cost them but the customers. 6 bucks for a cup of coffee and than a freaking tip on top of that at Starbucks= lmao - Do not think so. Once at a nightclub the lady that just took the cover charge money had a tip jar.
                                                                          WHEREEEEEEEEEEE WILL IT ENDDDDDDDDDDD !

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                                                                          1. re: Tampabayallstar

                                                                            Actually I don't think you're entitled to ordering takeout and not tipping, that's a lot of work.. maybe if you give a little dignity and respect to others you'll have it come back to you. What a backwards idea, if they want more money they should go for a higher paying position.. there's such a thing called progress, and you sound like a stick in the mud towards the progress of people who serve you. Everyone should have to have one of these jobs, gives you some heart.

                                                                            1. re: jdawn73

                                                                              You might be shocked at the number of people you might thing oppose "progress" who have indeed worked in food service, and who don't exactly warm up to the sense of the entitlement some are trying to cultivate.

                                                                            2. re: Tampabayallstar

                                                                              starbucks had to pay a penalty for illegally having money from their tip jars distributed to management.

                                                                            3. I don't mind tip jars.

                                                                              I am getting tired of "Thanks a latte!"

                                                                              BB

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                                                                              1. re: Big Bunny

                                                                                Generally tip jars are located in places where tipping is not expected, hence the need to have the jar. If there was no jar no one would even think to tip. There is no jar on the table at the restaurant or at the end of the bar. In spite of this I manage to leave a nice tip for my server or bartender and do not need a jar to prompt me. I do tip the tip jar at the coffee shop if I order something the barista makes for me, its like a caffeinated bartender. I don't tip if I order a cup of black coffee. Bottom line I tip when I want to, they can shove the tip jar up there
                                                                                on the top shelf. Gotcha

                                                                              2. I love tip jars. Love them. Love to tip good service and if there is no tip jar I make a point to give a little something to the person at the counter.

                                                                                This is, I must add, at coffeehouses. I've never encountered a "tip jar" at a convenience store; I think you poor souls are unfamiliar with the "take a penny, leave a penny" dish. I hope you don't need this explained to you.

                                                                                Anybody who thinks it's adequate to be making minimum wage, so hey, no reason to tip, should expect some major karmic comeuppance.

                                                                                And once again, as soon as I venture outside the Canadian boards on chowhound, I am disgusted- no other word fits here- by what I read. You can't leave a quarter? I leave toonies. Routinely.

                                                                                1. Saw tip jar today at Tijuana Flats that almost made me want to contribute:

                                                                                  'SHOW US YOUR TIPS"

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                                                                                  1. re: steakman55

                                                                                    Here's a little story some of you may enjoy....

                                                                                    A video/coffee shop close by (best coffee on the block, actually, but that's a secret), has a tip jar with scrabble letters velcro'd to it: T - I - P - S. Cute, right? Well, my 3-year old was playing with the letters and quite by accident switched the letters to S - P - I - T. I thought it was awesome. Counter person? Not so much.

                                                                                    1. re: steakman55

                                                                                      We'll usually leave change or a buck at Tijuana Flats. We end up at our local one enough that the staff knows our names and regular orders, and always makes sure the soft drinks don't run dry, even when they're slammed.

                                                                                    2. I have years of counter service experience. It is not easy, no matter what people say. It is a challenge to get someone their "cappucino with no foam" and keep a smile on my face the whole time. Serving people is like acting, except you always have to be HAPPY, even if the person on the other side of the counter is yelling that your co-worker with a disability is moving too slowly (I kid you not).

                                                                                      That said, I loathe tip jars. I find them incredibly tacky because they make me feel guilty for not tipping in them. If I want to offer a gratuity for great counter service, I will. I was always grateful for any tips offered to me while I was putting myself through university. But I will choose not to tip in a tip jar every time because it is presumptive.

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                                                                                      1. re: miss_bennet

                                                                                        I can tell you at my retail job, we have to serve people, often for quite a bit longer than folks at a counter and it is also very difficult to do so and keep a smile on your face when people are screaming at you or are mad that their coupon doesn't work for what they wanted. And there are no tip jobs in retail.

                                                                                        1. re: rockandroller1

                                                                                          So true! As a matter of fact, people in retail would probably get fired for accepting a tip. When I worked at a well-known store that also started in Seattle, I could spend a half an hour or more with a customer. That kind of interaction demands much more than just asking what they want and saying thank you. I always said thank you. When they left, the work wasn't over, folding the clothes and putting them away took time. Did I think I was entitled to a tip? Of course not. Do I thnk servers in a restaurant deserve a tip? Yes, based on the service they provide. Do I think counter people should get a tip? Not if they ask for one--which is the essence of the tip jar.

                                                                                        2. My biggest issue is that everything that goes in the tip jar is...wait for it...rarely claimed as tipped income to the IRS. Counter people are paid minimum wage or more and most POS systems don't require them to claim tips when clocking out, like they do for servers & bartenders. So, basically, whatever is in the tip jar is tax free for counter people. I wish a portion of my income was tax free!

                                                                                          Other issues are theft by staff or customers, disputes over who should be included in the tip pool (dishwasher, kitchen personnel, shift lead or manager?) and mis-management of the money if the operator/manager is tasked with dividing and distributing the tip money.

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                                                                                          1. re: oldbaycupcake

                                                                                            the IRS issue doesn't bother me, especially at counter service places because, as i found out for myself and from when my daughter was in that situation, the workers in many of these places are forced to take part time work.
                                                                                            as a result, they don't make enough with or without showing tips for there to be any difference in what the IRS gets (using standard deduction).

                                                                                            for bartenders and servers in higher end restaurants, the IRS calculates a presumed tip percentage and the servers ARE taxed on that amount whether or not they really received the amount.

                                                                                            the IRS argument, imho, is a clear red herring.

                                                                                          2. I live near the best post office in the whole world. It is not the one that delivers the mail to me, but one nearby that I figured out a long time ago is fast and efficient. I kinda stumbled onto it by accident and now I go there about twice a week. The people that work there are gods and goddesses. Always cheerful, patient and helpful. Their unfailingly upbeat attitude inspires customers to be pleasant as well, mostly. The only way I could think of to thank them was to just always be very nice, even if I was in a bad mood. I was looking for an excuse to give them a tangible thank you that they wouldn't get in trouble for accepting. Then Christmastime rolled around and as I was baking the cookies that I give out to friends, and that I always leave a tin of for my mail carrier that delivers to me on Christmas Eve day I got an idea and decided to give it a shot. It worked and now every year around christmas I hand out tins of freshly made cookies to the postal clerks that are so kind year round. I would do it on Easter and Valentine's Day if I thought I could pull it off. I hate tip jars with a passion but some people really do deserve some sort of tangible thank you, no matter how much or how little they make at their jobs. /starts thinking about what cookies to make this year.

                                                                                            1. Most people who work counter service here in Minneapolis make between $7 and $9 an hour which is not a livable wage in this city. Most servers and bartenders walk with $20 to $40 an hour.

                                                                                              I have no problem leaving a few coins for the barista.

                                                                                              1. An Australian coffee bar has opened in Paris called Kooka Burra, nice people, good coffee, comfy chair. They have a tip jar, it is very dusty.

                                                                                                1. I don't mind them, its my choice after all to drop something in or not, and if I don't I don't imagine them being angry or petty enough to look down on me for not doing so and then have it ride on with me to cause guilt. I like them because I can get ride of all that pesky change weighing down my purse when they deserve to have it, but then I'm just as inclined to drop my change into a charity box as well. So tip jars at a register you dislike, but what about charity boxes at the registers?

                                                                                                  1. I have a simple philosophy.

                                                                                                    If they need to put out a tip jar they do not deserve a tip. People who deserve tips are known to everyone. People who put out tips jar are begging for sympathic displacement of peoples money.

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                                                                                                        1. re: nobadfoodplz

                                                                                                          What if you don't know whether they are allowed to accept tips or not? There have been retail/food jobs I have worked that did not allow us to accept tips. Some of these jobs have changed and its now ok to accept them. How is the customer base supposed to know the switch? Its a little rude to announce to every single customer that "we accept tips now!" so the tip jars are I think are a discrete way of saying "if you would like to or choose to tip you can, and we thank you". There are even professions I wouldn't have thought it was rude not to tip for good service such as tattoo/piercing parlors, I had to ask! Or even tailors and seamstresses. Give me a smile, clean table, good food/coffee and a clean bathroom to brighten my day and I'll give you a dollar in your tip jar. Fair exchange in my view.

                                                                                                          1. re: BelovedofIsis

                                                                                                            Ms Beloved

                                                                                                            You and I agree on the they are allowed to accept tips. It is the messaging that we disagree with. I do not find the tip can a discreet means of carrying the message. I find it an "in your face" intrusion on a commercial transaction. I walked into a store and purchased a cup of coffee at an agreed price. And the employees have placed a tip jar (maybe with the explicit agreement of the owner) at the exact place where the money exchanges hands. So I will disagree with discreet. Now the place that washes my car moved the "tip box" for the towelers from where they can see who does and who does not tip so the service every receives is the same. It is away from the cashier and away from the "implicit" additional service that might be received. And to your point above about my view of servers. I have the highest regards for 99% of servers. But I know for a fact that servers and bartenders do not give freebies (I believe bartenders even came up with its own name called buy-backs) in hopes of additional tips, I have been the recipient of many of these buy-backs and freebies. So it is from experience, not a dastardly whiplash attitude.

                                                                                                            And if someone brightens my day I will also give them a tip. But not in a tip jar that I do not find acceptable.

                                                                                                            1. re: nobadfoodplz

                                                                                                              Ms huh? LOL, I have found in the past (especially with the husband) that we actually agree and are just disagreeing with semantics and maybe some miscommunication. Irrational conflict, its what you get when two Leos marry. So I guess we are, in this case, gonna have to "agree to disagree" on the tip jar. I think I'm gonna put one on my front door just for you, so you know that I will accept tips for answering the door with a smile! ;)

                                                                                                            2. re: BelovedofIsis

                                                                                                              Beloved: my main objection to the jar is that I am asked to give a tip before my experience of the service, as opposed to afterwards as happens in a table-service resto. On what can I base the tip, in that instance?

                                                                                                              1. re: Leonardo

                                                                                                                Really? I tip the jar but not till after I'm paid up and have what I came for including service. Who says you have to tip before you receive the service??? I go up, order my fancy coffee, pay, wait for it, if I'm drinking in then I sit and do my thing and as I leave then I tip the jar. If I'm doing a to-go, then I tip after receiving my fancy coffee as I leave. Simple.

                                                                                                          2. I don't like them. If I want to tip, I want to hand it to the individual worker, not just throw it in a jar to be split. At one of the local Dunkin Donuts there is a nasty counterperson, who always reeks of cigarette smoke and who never gets the order correct, I don't want that worker to share in the tip I wish to leave the pleasant and accurate counterperson in whose lne I wait.

                                                                                                            That said, i must pass this observation on how this has changed over time. Years ago, the Dunkin Donuts all had wall menus that said "NO TIPPING, PLEASE" NOW, there are Dunkin Donuts TIP coffee mugs in front of the cash register. At the Dunkin Donut locations inside the Stop and Shop supermarkets there are signs stating "Dunkin Employees are NOT allowed to accept tips"

                                                                                                            Personally, I don't think counterperson who fill orders are the same as servers, and need not be tipped unless they perform special service. Here in Connecticut, the counter person is not paid at the less than minimum wage waiter/ress rate.

                                                                                                            1. I'm not offended by tip jars. The way I see it is that they were born out of people asking if they could tip certain people, or because people were leaving change on the counter. I see them as an optional thing however, not a demand. Sometimes I have spare change, sometimes I don't.

                                                                                                              1. Tip jars annoy me, especially the cutesy little sayings and art but I do tip if my order is complicated or the person is truly nice or helpful.

                                                                                                                That said, the styrofoam tip cups that have recently been placed at the cashier stations at my office cafeteria have made it a little more awkward for me to go in and make a purchase. I can see tipping the food-line guys, and I do occasionally, but the people who sit on a stool and ring up my order? Sorry, no.

                                                                                                                As for the tip line popping up on credit card slips, I used to work at an arcade that ran birthdays for kids so yes, there was a tip line for the parents to tip the party hosts if they'd like. Many people who were there simply buying coins would take offense though. The line was just there and we couldn't take it off for the non-birthday customers, but I did make sure to thank the rare few that tipped me for a quick transaction.

                                                                                                                1. Interesting responses.

                                                                                                                  One of my earlier jobs was at a mom & pop ice cream store, making minimum wage ($3.50 or $3.75, IIRC) with no benefits, and you crossed your fingers to be able to actually get a full 40 hours in. We had a white bucket (no markings or cutsey sayings) with a lid and a slot cut in it that we left on the counter for those who were willing to drop in their change for us.

                                                                                                                  We worked our asses off in that store. From the first warm day of spring through the end of October we would have a line out the door and to the end of the block in a nonstop run of customers from 4 'till 10. Within a few weeks your dominant arm would be visibly larger than your other from the effort of scooping ice cream. Some of our customers would drop in change, some wouldn't. For those of us working the counter, it was just too hectic to notice who did what, but if you saw something, you certainly gave a thank you.

                                                                                                                  At the end of the night we'd divide it up and each would walk away with $5-7 if it was a good night, much less if it wasn't. I don't know how many of you have tried living on $3something/hour. It goes pretty damn fast, especially when you can't even get a full 40 hour week in because of the way the owners write the schedule - which is still a problem for many people working these jobs. Wages covered rent, and that was about it. What we pulled out of that jar was what we needed for everything else. Did it reflect poorly on the owner? Sure. Should it? Absolutely.

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                                                                                                                  1. re: pramjockey

                                                                                                                    Did it reflect poorly on the owner? Sure. Should it? Absolutely.
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                                                                                                                    Wow! I completely disagree with your premise in this particular situation. In my opinion, in no way should a mom and pop ice cream store be responsible for paying enough so that it covers all their employee's expenses. A store like that is run on tight margins and a low price point. Raising costs and prices will hurt business.

                                                                                                                    I have mixed feelings about tip jars. For the most part I don't care for them but I'm not overly worked up about it, I just ignore it. But I'm also willing to drop a tip if there is a larger service aspect component involved, whether as a regular or if there is something beyond placing a basic order and getting it. But in an ice cream store, I completely disagree. There's not much room for extra service besides the baseline of being polite and competent. You walk in, order and get your ice cream.

                                                                                                                    I worked at a small ice cream shop for years, started at the bottom, moved up to manager and went so far as to look into financing and owning my own place. That's how much I loved the business. But even when I started at the bottom, I thought it was completely asinine to put out a tip jar. Sure there may be an instance or two where you provide that extra service, but almost nothing done warrants an extra tip. It's your job to be polite and helpful to the customer, answer questions about flavors and combinations. Get the order, make it, hand it over to the customer. There is nothing there that should imply a tip will make the service different or better.

                                                                                                                    I just think that it's a vastly different experience and set of circumstances than a waiter. I have absolutely no sympathy for a tip jar in the ice cream shop scenario nor anyone complaining about their wage in that situation.

                                                                                                                    1. re: Jase

                                                                                                                      Well, you're certainly allowed to disagree. But, if a business is going to hire adults (you had to be at least 18 to work there), and promise them a full-time schedule (i.e. this was to be your primary employment), IMHO, there's a reasonable expectation that an individual should be paid enough to, you know, live.

                                                                                                                      The owners (not a mom and pop, BTW - the description was the style of store, not the actual owners) did quite well on their profits, and saw remarkable turnover as a result of the work:pay ratio, as is often seen in the industry.

                                                                                                                      And, yeah, I worked my way up to manager, often being the only person in the shop for most of the wintertime. I'd close the shop early on snowy days because I was asked to, even though it hurt me personally. The reward? Less hours, and ultimately less pay. Fortunately those days are long, long gone, and I recognize that there is a significant benefit to a business to retaining employees and maintaining positive morale.

                                                                                                                      1. re: pramjockey

                                                                                                                        Well, that's certainly a different set of circumstances than what you originally presented.

                                                                                                                        But I still disagree. if there is no additional service provided beyond the basic and it's not part of accepted set up like a waiter, I don't believe in a tip jar. Not every job pays enough to live on. Even before rampant inflation, minimum wage wasn't a living wage. So by putting out the tip jar and getting that extra $5 a day it was enough for you to live on? Still a false premise in my world.

                                                                                                                        I agree that if they promised 40 hours and jerked that around it was wrong. But the wage was the wage when you got hired.

                                                                                                                        As for closing the shop early and losing pay, that's a business decision by the owners. yeah, it affected your pay but they had no business coming in, it was the right decision. What exactly did you expect them to do? Stay open just to keep you employed?

                                                                                                                        I just think it's silly to expect and put out a tip jar for places where there is no service being provided beyond the basic components. You and I just fundamentally disagree on this concept, which as you pointed out, you're allowing me to disagree.

                                                                                                                        1. re: Jase

                                                                                                                          I'm with you in principle Jase, though I'll make some exceptions. The two examples from opposite ends of the spectrum that come immediately to mind are a local bakery (actually a local outlet of a high-end chain) where they have a tip jar though the most strenuous work the employees ever have to do is run a loaf of bread through the automatic slicer. They will NEVER get a tip from me.

                                                                                                                          At the opposite extreme is a local taqueria, where the line guys are incredibly fast and accurate and the checkout gals watch and never forget a detail when they ring you up. They ALWAYS get a tip, if only because I feel almost guilty watching how fast these guys work when I'm walking out with a fresh, tasty, filling meal for $6 or $7.

                                                                                                                          1. re: BobB

                                                                                                                            Always exceptions of course. Life is full of gray areas. It's not a hard fast rule and I don't get worked up about seeing a jar most of the time. If I don't feel like they deserve it I ignore it and move on. About the only time I get worked up about it is if I get attitude for not putting anything into the jar and at best they give you bare minimum service.

                                                                                                                            I'm a regular at a couple of places where it's counter take out service. I drop a buck into the jar since they're good about remembering my order and little things like that. I think that's beyond just being base level expectations. I don't expect quick takeout places to remember me or my order. If I'm getting out of there faster and more efficiently, it's worth a tip to me.

                                                                                                                          2. re: Jase

                                                                                                                            "if there is no additional service provided beyond the basic and it's not part of accepted set up like a waiter, I don't believe in a tip jar. Not every job pays enough to live on. Even before rampant inflation, minimum wage wasn't a living wage..."

                                                                                                                            BRAVO!

                                                                                                                            I have had more jobs than just about anyone you will ever meet, and some of them, you worked damned hard both physically and mentally to get whatever the customer wanted. The retail and restaurant jobs have been remarkably similar in # of hours on your feet, the walking, the stooping, picking stuff up, carrying, math, filling special orders, customizing things, etc. In some cases, the server jobs were actually easier as there's a limit to what you can and can't do, the confines of the store itself, whereas in retail, you're spending hours looking stuff up in the computer to find it in another store, or ordering it online and having it shipped to their house because it's not in stock in your store and having a manager have to come and waive the shipping charge because the customer complained, to getting up on ladders and looking in four different, very far away from each other stockrooms to find the item the customer was looking for, etc and etc and etc. And never would I expect to see a tip jar at a retail store. And 99% of those jobs were at, yep, minimum wage.

                                                                                                                            Our work society is structured to have 2 classes of jobs. Those where employers are legally allowed to pay people lower than the minimum wage because it is "expected" they will make up the balance of their wages in tips (waiting tables, for example), and those jobs where that does not apply. BECAUSE THEY AREN'T EXPECTED TO BE GETTING TIPS. Whether or not minimum wage is now or has ever been a truly "living wage" is a completely different argument, and one we are likely on the same page about as it SO is not, but that's not the point. Working HARD does not mean you get a tip. Do street construction workers have tip cups set out by their work sites? Yet certainly nobody would argue their work is easy. Or miners? Or TEACHERS? Or hundreds of other, very, very hard professions including many serving the public, from bank tellers to dry cleaners to deli workers at the grocery, but they are not supposed to be tipped. That cups have been set out anywhere and everwhere is just greed. Those in professions where tipping is part of their income do not include the guy making my sandwich at Jimmy John's or a Starbucks barista or the cashier at the cafeteria. It's just wrong to me.

                                                                                                                            1. re: Jase

                                                                                                                              I don't know if you'll see this since your post was 2 yrs ago but I agree. I am curious to your take on a Starbucks employee. Would you say that making a latte was labor intensive and deserves a tip or a basic component of the job therefore no tip? I for one don't think they should be tipped because that's what they're being paid to do. I've avoided going to a local place I like because they have a guy there now that seems to hover at the tip jar as to pay attention and guilt you into dropping in a buck which I gave in to before and he didn't even acknowledge it. I haven't been back since...

                                                                                                                              1. re: Br00klyn68

                                                                                                                                I don't and won't tip at Starbucks. #1 The idea of tip in advance of service is abhorent to me. The tip container is at the cash register where one places his/her order. Tip and then wait for your drink at the far end of the counter. Your drink arrives, made incorrectly>>>then what recourse do you have in terms of the tip? You really can't walk back to the cash register, stick your hand in the tip box, extract $1 and proclaim, they blew my drink, no tip. If anyone saw you pulling cash from the tip box, they'd assume you are a thief.
                                                                                                                                #2 If I have to stand in line to order and pick up my own drink, there's no service deserving a tip.

                                                                                                                                1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                                                  Good point, BM. The only time I'll tip is in places I go often enough that the people know me and go the extra mile to satisfy a good customer.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: mucho gordo

                                                                                                                                    mucho....
                                                                                                                                    my wife likes a NO Foam soy latte at Sbux. If I am picking one up for her, I've learned to lift the lid and check before leaving the counter. 5 times out of 8, either will there be loads of foam, or the drink is one third empty because they can't top off the cup with foam. I have to point it out and tell them to make a new one. I'll be damned if I had put a tip in at the register, waited 5-7 minutes and then got a drink that had to be remade.
                                                                                                                                    There is a nearby branch that has a drive thru. There the tip box is at the pickup window. If the person taking my money, handing me the drink, makes sure that I get adequate naplkins, and that the drink is not dripping, and doesn't say 'have a good one' I may leave a tip.

                                                                                                                        2. re: pramjockey

                                                                                                                          pramjockey:
                                                                                                                          complete agreement with all your points.
                                                                                                                          how one treats others (especially those who are working hard trying to serve you) reflects on the person being served.

                                                                                                                        3. Get 'em outta my face.

                                                                                                                          1. Generally, I don't like them. I don't like being pressured to tip in situations where I normally wouldn't think of it. I'm actually a great tipper, and I don't like the implication that I'm a cheapskate if I don't drop a dollar into the tip jar for someone to hand over my dry cleaning.

                                                                                                                            This whole idea of solicitation has gotten out of control. Recently, I went to the grocery store. At the back entrance was a group of college students blocking the entrance while they asked for donations to fund their spring dance. At the front entrance, a group of high school students accosted shoppers by aggressively asking for donations to help defray costs for their prom.
                                                                                                                            When I explained that I'd paid by credit card, and had no change, they started jumping up and down like cheerleaders saying, "Please? Please? Please"

                                                                                                                            Seriously. It's out of control.

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                                                                                                                            1. re: Whinerdiner

                                                                                                                              Our local high school kids run a car wash when they want money for something. I'll always stop in - it teaches them a good work ethic!

                                                                                                                              1. re: BobB

                                                                                                                                At least they're offering a service for your donation., Bob. Seriously, kids at both doors asking for help for different causes, with not even a candy bar to sell?
                                                                                                                                That's when you talk to the store manager.

                                                                                                                            2. It really does depend in this case.

                                                                                                                              In general, I would find a tip jar kind of offputting I guess, although it's easy enough to just ignore one. But, there are exceptions, and it's probably hard to notice the difference, unless you are a regular.

                                                                                                                              This is a super small town (around 800 people). There is a small Asian restaurant in town. They cook small batch as customers come in on a little buffet. All employees appear to be family. They work long and hard hours. Customers can order off the menu, but most go with the all you can eat buffet. It's something around $6 for lunch and $8 for dinner. I don't know if locals tip on menu orders, but I'm pretty sure they don't on buffet.

                                                                                                                              OK. That's the background.

                                                                                                                              I see people come in for take out buffet and skim off the meat from the various dishes. Some will pack a carry out container so full that the lid will not close and with the higher priced items. I also see some people get the soup container and also fill it with meats etc versus soup as intended. One evening, my son and I were there to eat in, and the person in front of us with four boxes basically tanked the small buffet bar.

                                                                                                                              The family running the place live down the street in a trailer which is always nice and tidy even though they seem to spend every waking hour at the restaurant.

                                                                                                                              While I only have a waving hi relationship with the restaurant family, they are always polite and helpful. My son loves the potatoes they make. If the buffet runs low (like when a take out person tanks the buffet), then we'll ask about more potatoes. They make them up and quick.

                                                                                                                              While we do order at the counter and fill our drinks and serve off the buffet, the family always makes a real effort to make sure that we have a good meal. The rare times we do ask that something be refilled, they are glad to do so. It's usually just the poatoes which would not be on the high cost end.

                                                                                                                              I have tipped on the table even though I never see anyone do that, so I am glad they do have the tip jar now, so I am certain they do get the money. I guess I could just add more at the counter as well. I just hope they stay open and appreciate the real efforts they make. So, the tip jar which is not very prominent anyway does not bother me at all. I just more people will add a little more, because it would be a real shame if they went under.

                                                                                                                              1. The way I see it, we're making a business transaction. We give them our business, they give us coffee. so aren't they just as apt to tip us as we them? Yes, they should tip us for giving them our business. We should walk into those places with our own tip jars and place them on the counter as we order our coffee. Is everybody with me?

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                                                                                                                                1. There was a tip jar in a takeout I worked at once, the owners kept all the money in it - the workers got nothing

                                                                                                                                  1. Today I went to the Farmer's Market and one of the produce sellers had a tip jar. I thought that was going too far!

                                                                                                                                    1. I hate them! I agree with you whole heatedly. I think when you make the decision to not sit at a table and be waited on or use your own gas to pick it up you shouldn't be guilted into tipping. And particularly if your getting a cup do coffee from fivebucks (my version of Starbucks) you've paid quite enough for that coffee that you're about to take to the coffee station and fix it up yourself. The other thing that I find highly annoying these days is if I go to a local place with live music. I understand the band has a tip jar but recently there's been a change. A designated person will pick up that tip jar periodically and approach guests...talk about begging!!! I think it's barely better than the panhandler. Might as well give the band members dark glasses and a tin cup to shake. Okay, off my soapbox but has anyone else experienced this too & what do you think?

                                                                                                                                      1. AT YOUR GYN'S OFFICE??? Holy crap- the mind boggles.

                                                                                                                                        And I agree with you. What's next- tipping the cashier at Walgreen's?

                                                                                                                                        Besides, as pointed out somewhere on Chowhound, you have no idea where that tip jar money is going. I prefer not to supplement the owner's kids' allowances thinking I'm supplementing the hard-working line employees' wages.

                                                                                                                                        1. Actually I do not care how they perceive me. I have a different perspective. There is a local bagel shop that I go where they have a tip jar. I buy buttered bagels once in a while and recently, I started getting bagels with less butter. The fat lady that works there , is the same one I never tipped , most of the time I am there. The owners think they are smart , trying to make customers pay for the low wages they pay their workers. It backfires, because now I wont go to that bagel place.