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Jessica Nemeroff Ritz Dec 21, 1999 02:00 PM

Any word on what the deal is there these days? Worth a meal, or just a drink at the bar for nostalgia sake?

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    j gold RE: Jessica Nemeroff Ritz Dec 22, 1999 10:46 AM

    Musso's is absolutely classic, but the menu is straight out of the teens: jellied consomme, finnan haddie, rex sole meuniere. My usual is the welsh rarebit, a perfect late-afternoon lunch at the counter (leavened with a gibson cocktail or two), the chops and steaks are fine, and the caesar salads made by Manny--sit at the Hollywood Blvd. end of the counter during dinner hours--are the finest in Los Angeles. Don't expect too much of the made dishes.

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      marty RE: j gold Dec 27, 1999 01:31 PM

      I've gotta say, the last experience I had a M&F was horrible.
      Two friends and myself had a late lunch on a weekday when the place was virtually empty.
      I had a fried eggplant appetizer.
      The tasteless disks were virtually unrecognizable under an overly fried, heavy breading. One could taste yesterday's fried fish infused in the tired oil's gritty texture.
      My salad was no better. Wilted greens with warm dressing.
      We did not stick around for the entrees.
      I recall when this restraunt seemed to care about it's patrons, even if they were tourists.
      What a shame.
      Marty

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        Jessica Nemeroff Ritz RE: marty Dec 28, 1999 02:51 PM

        M&F was fun but also a bummer. I enjoyed the paradoxical novelty of the old timey vibe as I waited for the other three in my party to arrive. Once seated we waited 20 minutes to get menus and place our drink orders. The unique frenetic charm of our waiter did not compensate for the lack of service. Fortunately we were a group of avid lively conversationalists. The $4.75 anemic iceberg lettuce salad and $10 bland avocado salads were not promising. Finally when our main courses arrived, well over an hour after we had ordered them, we then had to wait again for complete place settings. Meats were tasty and robust, but the quality not commensurate with the price, and I was glad it wasn't on my dime. French fries were flaccid and cold. The delayed service increased the parking costs; the attendant was unsympathetic, so I figured he was inured to this common complaint. As a LA native I'm glad I've now been once. If I do return with an out of town guest or family member, I'll strictly follow Jonathan's exact recommendations.

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          michelle RE: Jessica Nemeroff Ritz Feb 15, 2000 01:08 PM

          I always have a great time at M&F. I've never had the food take longer than 15 minutes and I love the old time service. Same guys for years. You do have to stick with the simple classics. Steak, bakedp, spinach, oysters. Bloody Marys make the whole thing better. Tip, park for free for two hours accross the street.

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            lillaura RE: michelle Apr 28, 2000 07:25 PM

            I wholeheartedly agree with Michelle. I've loved Musso's every time I've been. The food is old, old, old in style - you're not going to get a great salad! -but chase your steak or mac & very cheesy cheese down with a great bloody mary or generous martini and you'll be just fine. And it's perfect before or after catching an American Cinematheque show at the Egyptian across the street. Or in escape from snotty Hollywood types at the Sunset Room or Les Deux!

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              Pepper RE: lillaura May 1, 2000 12:57 AM

              Au contraire. At Musso's, you are going to get a great salad: the restaurant, specifically waiter Manny, who works the end of the counter nearest to Hollywood Boulevard, makes the best Caesar salad in Los Angeles. The chiffonade salad isn't bad either (though it can be a little tart), and the romaine salad with anchovy dressing is sublime ... though as you note, very much in the style of 1923.

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                Kathy RE: Pepper May 1, 2000 02:37 AM

                Generally agree with the above, however, the seafood chiffonade salad is superb, and enough for two hungry people. And let's not forget that wonderful sourdough bread. Also, great breaded veal cutlets, abalone if you can afford it, and my dad always loved the finan haddie. I haven't been there myself in years -- is Eppy, the waiter on the bar side, still there?

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                  jerry RE: Kathy Nov 18, 2000 11:45 PM

                  I've had great meals at M&Fs, and horrible meals. Lunch is better than dinner, and ALWAYS sit at the counter if you can (service is MUCH faster and friendlier there). Stick with grilled items, like steak or grilled fish, but I also recommend the slowly-braised meats, like short ribs, or lamb shanks. They usually have one or two long-braised meat dishes on the menu every day (the menu does change daily), and all the ones I've tried have been fantastic, rich, tender, falling-off-the-bone. Also very good are the Beef Grenadines (sauteed thick slices of tenderloin in a port wine sauce surrounded by bearnaise sauce). The flannel cakes are wonderful, and available only at lunch.

                  M&Fs CAN be expensive, since everything is ala carte, but if you order carefully, you won't be disappointed.

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                  lillaura RE: Pepper May 1, 2000 03:46 PM

                  Eep! I stand corrected. I'm definitely trying the chiffonade salad next time, Pepper, thanks! I guess what I meant was more along the lines of the baby greens or huge California girl type of salad.

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            annie RE: marty Jul 11, 2000 02:39 PM

            Hopelessly bad restaurant, but I keep trying. Last time a cockroach ran across my table, and my lobster cocktatil was still frozen. When I called this to the attention of my waiter, he told me they never claimed it was fresh. After making it clear that it was an ice block he was kind enough to MICROWAVE it. Disgusting. I will never try again, except for a martini.

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          pete wells RE: Jessica Nemeroff Ritz Feb 25, 2000 01:27 PM

          One more Musso's recommendation: flannel cakes. Oh, they're lovely. They're somewhere between French crepes and American pancakes--smooth and velvety instead of puffy and cakey. There's a ton of vanilla extract in the batter, and melted butter on each of the three cakes that form a low-rise stack. With a bloody mary or a ramos fizz, they'll iron out a lot of morning-after wrinkles.

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            William RE: Jessica Nemeroff Ritz Apr 28, 2000 10:22 PM

            The prices are rediculous and the food is not that great. I would not even consider it for drinks.

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