BAGELS + BIALYS IN ST LOUIS
we will be travelling from chicago to st louis for the holidays. as we are the resident cooks in the family, we have been asked to prepare breakfast / brunch on christmas morning (for friends + family).
where would i find a great deli where i would be able to pick up QUALITY bagels, bialys, lox, sable, etc, etc, etc.
we will staying be in clayton, so the closer to there the better, but i am not adverse to driving for my bagel and schmear.
Coming from Chicago to St. Louis for quality deli....Hmmm. You'll find a great deli in New York or in Cleveland or in Philadelphia or in Chicago, but not in St. Louis. The best bagels are at The Bagel Factory on Olive. I don't know anyplace that makes bialys. You can get decent fish at Pumpernickle's on Olive (near The Bagel Factory) or at Protzel's in Clayton. You may want to see if the bagels at Protzel's are to your liking, which will save you the trip to Olive Street.
7608 Wydown Blvd, Saint Louis, MO 63105
11256 Olive Blvd, St Louis, MO
Pumpernickle's Real Deli
11036 Olive Blvd, Saint Louis, MO 63141
I agree with Alan. Your best bet would be to go to Hungarian or Romanian and a bagel place on Dempster in Skokie and bring your supplies with you. (Especially if they need to be kosher, which I am taking from your note, they do not.)
I am not sure if Pratzel's Bakery, which is now located at Simon Kohn's, makes bialys. Their bagels are o.k., but the choices are limited. Their best are the onion-poppy seed, but you need to call in advance as they are often out of stock.
Have safe journey, p.j.
I work right by these, so I went to Bagel Factory and Pratzel's on the same day a few weeks ago to compare the two.
Texture and crust at Pratzel's was better, but taste was better at the Bagel Factory. Pratzel's tasted too sweet to me.
The Bialy's at bagel factory were not as flat as I've seen elsewhere, but they did taste good also. It was my preference of all three things.
The Home Cooking board has an interesting thread on making your own Gravlax. Perhaps that is an option...
Funny, I was just checking on-line to see if my old favorite bagel place was still around so that we could do a similar brunch thing when we visit my "family of origin" in St. Louis this Christmas. I think the New York Bagelry is probably long gone and been replaced by the Bagel Factory. The other places people mention have been around forever and are all decent. Once I went to an really solid deli a million miles west (or so it felt to me); maybe it is this place that other web research has turned up good reviews of "... Kohn's Kosher Meat Market and Deli 10405 Old Olive Street Road (314) 569- 0727. Kohn's started way back in 1963 and has been a favorite St. Louis kosher market and deli ever since. They have some of the best homemade corned beef and pastrami that you can find. They also have smoked fish such as salmon, sable, and lox..."
Yes, Kohn's is still there, but, with all due respect, I can't share your enthusiasm. I find the food to be mediocre, certainly in comparison with kosher delicatessens in cities with larger Jewish populations. You're right about New York Bagelry. My general complaint with St. Louis bagels is that they tend to be what I refer to as "BSOs"--Bagel Shaped Objects. They look like bagels but they don't have the distinctive chewy crust and texture that only an authentic bagel will provide.
I did see this post and completely agree. Kohn's is just not good. I've found it unkempt--bordering on dirty--every time I've ever gone in.
When I came back from NYC last year, a lot of foods in St. Louis were ruined for me, because I saw what they can be when they're made fresh.
Heck, just keeping it topical to this thread:
Hot pastrami and corned beef in St. Louis come from microwaves
Bagels are as you said, BSOs.
knish...can you even get one in a restaurant here?
We just don't have the daily foot traffic to make doing these things right, profitable. The reality is that few places can, and New York just happens to be one of them.