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Going to NYC this weekend, where did you get your excellent ones? Please share!

If the soup dumpling recipe works out and is comparable to the ones I'm hoping to try in NYC, I will let you know....

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  1. I was going to suggest a place where I had wonderful soup dumplings a few years back in NY, but I just did a quick web search and it's apparently closed. However, for wonderful pan-fried dumplings, I would recommend Plump Dumpling (it's a tiny hole in the wall on the Lower East Side, everything is homemade and yummy).
    But there are plenty of little restaurants in Chinatown (especially around Canal and Mott) where you can get soup dumplings - just check the menus, as they're pretty common there.

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    1. re: cherylmtl

      New Green Bo in Chinatown was pretty good, though there are mixed reviews in the Manhattan board. It is a hole in the wall, share your table kind of place but the soup dumplings were heavenly. You can check the board for updated suggestions (and hopefully before Chowhound deletes this post :P)

      1. re: emerilcantcook

        i really liked to pork soup dumplings at new green bo.

    2. Lucky you. I had it only once at that place, a few years back (had some others in NYC as well, which were still very good -- there is no shortage of good places in that city). Here's their link, as well as a link to a nice picture of said dish in someone's blog. My friends there claim it is the best in the city:

      http://www.joeshanghairestaurants.com/
      http://www.ny-journal.com/blog/index....

      Hope you get there and report back!

      Mods: I know this is getting OT but could you please not move this thread elsewhere to preserve the integrity? Thanks!

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      1. re: tarteaucitron

        I'm afraid there are no decent soup dumplings in Montreal that I'm aware of. Hopefully, someone can correct me if I'm wrong. I seriously wish someone would step up and start a decent place to enjoy soup dumplings and shanghai food.

        The closest bet would be in Toronto. Toronto has better soup dumplings than NYC imo. Joe Shanghai's soup dumplings are seriously overrated. The best in Canada and maybe even in North American is definitely Ding Tai Fung in Richmond Hill. Even those are not as good as the original in Taiwan.

        1. re: jbbank

          jb, I found it amusing I can say exactly the opposite about the Joe's and Ding Tai Fung =)

          Except that I can only speak from one experience at Joe's seven years ago. As for DTF, I have eaten the dish 10+ times over the last five years or so, although my last visit was well over a year ago. I found the latter gradually going down in quality, sadly. I used think they were the absolute best too, and a few people I know share the same sentiments. Maybe they were getting too popular. I sincerely believe that is how some good restaurants "gain" the status of being overrated -- getting too popular and then not being able to scale up to the extra volume very well.

          Maybe things have changed since then? I'm asking because I might be in Toronto soon =)

          1. re: tarteaucitron

            Yes, that IS rather amusing :P I doubt DTF is better than when they started out, but there was a time where their quality dropped. I've been to Joe's twice only and that was within the last 4 months. I found Joe's dumplings to be a tad big and the skin too thick. My experiences with DTF in toronto had always been good, but never great. Stricly speaking of XLB's, I haven't found a place in North America that makes XLB's with the delicacy and finess that DTF in toronto has been able to do.

            If you'll be in Toronto soon, it'll still be worth a visit for a XLB lover, if not just to satisfy curiosity. I would love for someone to chime in and post their own comparisons.

            Asian Legend is ok, and I was a fan at one point, but revisited DTF and thought it was better. Nothing, however, beats the DTF in Taiwan for their XLB or their beef noodle soup. Not even in Shanghai. IMHO :)

            1. re: jbbank

              I'm sure that memory can get tainted over time too =) I'll try to give DTF another try next time I'm in the city again.

              I agree that a thin skin is very important, although the biggest fault would be not having enough broth IMO (and of course being a XLB lover there are a few other things I consider important too).

              Asian Legend is a chain, right? I agree the place reasonable although the best time to go there is with a big group of people, where company is more important than the food, and price is more "mainstream" =)

              1. re: tarteaucitron

                Asian Legend is a chain. It's not bad, not great imo. The quantity of soup is important, but I think the taste, the skin texture and the thin skin is what really does it for me. That said, I never remembered DTF not having enough broth, at least for me. If anything, the original XLB never had that much soup to begin with. It wasn't until the Taiwanese who embraced northern chinese treats, that they started using aspic to add more broth into the buns that made it "soup dumplings". XLB just really means little basket of buns. At least that is what I heard...

                Now, I'm craving XLB's hehe... Can't wait to return to Toronto and get me some. Or maybe I should try to make my own, probably with limited success.

          2. re: jbbank

            DTF on Highway 7 is unrelated to the one in Taiwan and Los Angeles, and is a cut below the Los Angeles outpost, too. DTF chefs have made visits to New York in the past, staying for a week or two and offering samplings to interested throngs.

            1. re: Chandavkl

              There is also a DTF in Nagoya, Japan too. Their XLB's there were very good. I don't know if they are perfect, but definitely immaculately made.

        2. Hi, last summer I went to Shanghai Garden at 14 Elizabeth St in Chinatown. The soup dumplings were a revelation! I had heard of them before but never had them. You can find reviews of the place if you google it.

          1. I've had soup dumplings at about a half dozen places in Chinatown and none impressed. The ones at Chinatown Brasserie aren't bad but certainly not anything worth traveling for.

            That said, Anissa has WONDERFUL soup dumplings. It's by no means a Chinese restaurant but it does have the best soup dumplings in NYC.

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            1. re: mahalan

              Ahhh! See, if you lived in a place that didn't have soup dumplings like I do, then you would think they were worth travelling for... I only had a chance to try Joe Shanghai's in chinatown (we ran out of steam, i wanted to do a whole soup dumpling crawl: for explanation, you can see my NYC trip report post from a few days ago). I would travel again for those soup dumplings! Soup dumpings are just inherently worth travelling for.

              I did end up making soup dumplings based on the recipe from Anita Lo, whom I believe is the chef at Anissa. Even with my low level of cooking expertise, they were still wonderful. I will definitely make it a point to go to Anissa for the real McCoy on my next trip to NYC...

            2. I'm lucky enough to live in NYC and can pop into Joe's anytime for a basket of hot dumplings. Everytime my family visits they demand to go there. I was wondering...does anyplace sell frozen soup dumplings that I could ship to my family in the hinterland?

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              1. re: pastoralia

                Which Joe's do you like for soup dumplings? I know there are a few different branches.

                1. re: Aimee

                  The original one on Pell (not the offshoot up the street, Joe's Ginger). The dingy, low-ceilinged, floor stained one with the giant fish tank in the front will always be the best for me.

                  1. re: pastoralia

                    Actually I believe the original location is the one in Flushing.

                    1. re: CornflakeGirl

                      You are correct...1995.

              2. I haven't had them in a while, but Joe's on Pell used to be the standard for me. I know there are a lot of haters, but I thought they were very good. I also liked them at the restaurant across the street from Pongsri in Chinatown. Goodys was OK, not great. Surprisingly, I've had decent ones at the restaurant in the strip mall (the one closest to Elizabeth Street). And I've had bad ones at restaurants where you would expect to get terrible soup dumplings -- ie Grand Sichuan.

                1. stay away from the joe's on 54th, it's AWFUL in every way -- go to chinatown for deliciousity mixed w/happy chaos

                  1. I've been on something of a soup dumpling kick lately. I tried Chinatown Brasserie's version about 2 weeks ago and they were very good. Flavorful, plump but pricey!!!

                    Then last week I went to Yeah Shanghai and got their pork soup dumplings. These were very good and cheap. Between the soup dumplings and tiny steamed buns two of us were beond stuffed for about $8.

                    Pictures here: http://nyctastes.blogspot.com/2008/01...

                    Then yesterday we went to Shanghai Cafe on Mott Street. We got the crab and pork soup dumplings. I think of all three these had the most stuff inside and the best flavor.

                    Happy Hunting!

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                    1. re: roze

                      I had the Chinatown Brasserie ones this weekend and also liked them. Need to write up a review, but overall, thought the food was really quite good, though pricey.

                    2. Try New Yeah Shanghai Deluxe on Bayard Street in Chinatown. My office is in the area and I've tried soup dumplings at several restaurants nearby, but my favorites are the crab-pork ones at New Yeah.

                      Of course, Joe's Shanghai on Pell is always a great standby.