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doublesuited77 Dec 5, 2007 02:02 PM

will be in town for business meal and my client is a big fan of tasting menus. Which would you recommend Daniel or Per se?

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    calconscious Dec 7, 2007 06:33 AM

    I went to Daniel last Sat. night for the first time. It is now my favorite ny restaurant. Love Bouley, Love Eleven Madison - but perhaps i'm not a foodie puriest - the over all restaurant experience surpasses all. The tables are well separated so you feel a comfortable sense of privacy - the room adds a little old world romance - the service the best i've experienced - and yes the food - incredible. I had the bass wraped in thinly shaved potato - we got the three course prie fix - it was actually a little too much food especially once they brought us several extra dessert. for two of us with 2 cocktails each and gratuity if was just over $400.00 - given what i've read on this board about per se - i know many love it - but it seems like it has more attitude and frankly for the added cost of per se - I can't imagine it beating out Daniel!

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    1. re: calconscious
      Spiritchaser Dec 7, 2007 07:08 AM

      Calconscious - we are kindred. You summed up exactly why we love Daniel so much.

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      stevel Dec 6, 2007 10:04 AM

      I've eaten at both many time including the private dining room at both restaurants. I love both restaurants, but I really feel EMP is not close to Perse in service and slightly behind in food.

      I would always choose Perse over any restaurant in the city!

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        shivohum Dec 6, 2007 08:23 AM

        Per se by a mile (I had the vegetarian tasting with a wine pairing. Sublime.)

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          Littleman Dec 5, 2007 05:07 PM

          Daniel with out a doubt. I have been probably 10/12 times. We were there this past Saturday night. The food was outstanding, the atmosphere was perfect and the service was superb. Maite is the young lady from Spain that took Markus' place as Maitre' D..........she was a perfect host.

          I would not go back to Per Se if it was paid for. I did that once and I will not return.

          I'm not from NYC rather I'm from MS but I have been to NYC many many times. I value NYC restaurants highly but PS is on the bottom as far as I'm concerned.

          I highly recommend Gramercy Tavern, Eleven Madison Park, Union Square Cafe, Il Mulino, Del Posto and Daniel. We were there last week.

          Bon Appetit.

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            gutsofsteel Dec 5, 2007 05:21 PM

            I'd skip Per Se and Daniel, and choose Eleven Madison Park. Superior now in every way.

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              doublesuited77 Dec 5, 2007 05:46 PM

              thanks. i saw the website... looks very good as well... is it a bit more "experiemental" than Daniel. also, do they have a tasting menu?

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                RGR Dec 5, 2007 07:58 PM

                Regulars on this board know that Eleven Madison Park is my favorite NYC restaurant right now. While Chef Daniel Humm's sensational French-inspired cuisine is creative, it's not experimental (presuming in using that term, you are thinking of the kind of science-project-type stuff being served at WD-50.) though his style is different from Daniel Boulud's.

                In addition to the 3- and 4-course prix-fixes, there is an 11-course Gourmand menu. Adding in all the little "extras" that Chef Humm sends out, we're talking about 14! All the current menus are on EMP's website.

                http://www.elevenmadisonpark.com

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                  tpigeon Dec 6, 2007 05:53 PM

                  Last time I was in NYC (Last week of October), I went to Daniel the night before going to EMP. I think Daniel edged out EMP, but EMP is a far superior value if you care about cost.

                  That all being said, Per Se is the one above all...

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              RGR Dec 5, 2007 04:50 PM

              Haven't been to Per Se. We had dinner in October at Daniel and, while the cuisine was first-rate (we did not do the tasting menu), there were several fairly serious service lapses during the latter part of the meal. Surprising, to say the least, since we've been to Daniel before and never had any problems. Because there have been those previous perfect experiences, we will go back sometime, but still, something to think about....

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                FoodWine Dec 6, 2007 01:54 PM

                Spiritchaser and RGR, Which dishes did you especially like at Daniel & would recommend? I eat everything, the Hubby only eats fish & seafood (and veggies, of course).

                We have not been to Daniel yet, but are planning to go. (We are now trying to go to restaurants we haven't been to but should have, although it is always so tempting to go to the favorite ones, like EMP ;-) ).

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                  RGR Dec 6, 2007 04:22 PM

                  FoodWine

                  I'm a foie gras addict, so I started with seared foie gras, which was on the specials menu. For my main, I chose something very seasonal that I'd never had before, wild Scottish grouse. And for dessert, the bavaroise with passion fruit-banana sorbet. All were seriously delicious!

                  I suggest your husband order Daniel Boulud's famous signature dish, the paupiette of black sea bass in a potato shell with leeks and a Syrah sauce.

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                    Spiritchaser Dec 6, 2007 04:31 PM

                    Latest visit I had the tasting menu and my girlfriend, a vegetarian, had the vegetarian tasting. Of the tasting I think I would have to say the lamb 3 ways was my favorite. I strongly recommend the wine pairing because it was so well done.

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                      FoodWine Dec 7, 2007 05:59 AM

                      Thank you, Spiritchaser and RGR. My mouth is already watering.

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                        Spiritchaser Dec 7, 2007 06:26 AM

                        Another quick piece of advice. When you go, go early enough to grab a drink in the bar/lounge area, that way you get a taste of the whole place.

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                          FoodWine Dec 7, 2007 07:12 AM

                          OK, thanks for the tip.

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                  Tay Dec 5, 2007 02:44 PM

                  With respect to Spiritchaser...
                  I think Per Se is the gold standard when it comes to the entire dining experience .
                  .

                  1. Spiritchaser Dec 5, 2007 02:06 PM

                    You will get an overwhelming response on this board in favor of Per Se but I rate Daniel as the best NYC has to offer.

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                      doublesuited77 Dec 5, 2007 02:15 PM

                      thanks. why do you like it better?

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                        Spiritchaser Dec 6, 2007 03:45 AM

                        Sorry I didn't reply sooner.

                        I perfer Daniel because I get more of a "total package" feel. The space, the service, the FOOD...

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