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Now I'm Confused: What is a Stromboli and What is a Calzone?

Chinon00 Dec 4, 2007 04:41 PM

I was listening to a radio talk show today and the topic of what ingridients are found in a stromboli versus what are found in a calzone was discussed. And during the discussion it was made clear by the hosts (via both personal experience and "wikipedia") that a calzone is shaped like a half moon and is basically a pizza turned over while a stromboli is more tubular or loaf like and is filled with ricotto instead of mozzerella and no marinara. But where I was raised (Delaware County, PA) it was the exact opposite. So what's the deal?

Thanks!

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    xnumberoneson Dec 4, 2007 05:53 PM

    I had never even heard of a Stromboli until I moved to Central PA. In NYC and even upstate NY it was always all about the calzones. The 'boli seems to be a Pennsylvania thing, as they are on every pizza shop menu around here but not so much in other areas. From what I gather, the calzone is moon-shaped with ricotta and the stromboli is more rectangular with no ricotta. I'm also told that strombolis are made with mustard. Mustard with marinara sauce? ew!

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    1. re: xnumberoneson
      rabidog Dec 4, 2007 06:15 PM

      i've heard the same thing, except for the mustard bit. i have to say, that doesn't sound appetizing, but i do have a policy of trying anything (vegetarian) once.

      i stick with calzones, because i like the way the ricotta moistens all that bread. rustica in northern liberties (philly) makes a mean spinach + tomato + ricotta calzone.

      1. re: xnumberoneson
        TSQ75 Dec 5, 2007 12:41 PM

        i had mostly calzones in Queens growing up...i discovered my first stromboli in NJ

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          rabidog Dec 12, 2007 06:52 PM

          stuff yer face in new brunswick? what an entertaining place.

        2. re: xnumberoneson
          ChowFun_derek Dec 6, 2007 08:26 AM

          I was born in Brooklyn, my teens were on Long Island, and then I lived in Manhattan....Stomboli was heard and eaten years before Calzone in my life...then ofcourse there's also "Lard Bread"! Tastes much better than it sounds!!!

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          jessicheese Dec 4, 2007 06:14 PM

          I've always known a stromboli to be a rolled pizza with sauce and mozzarella cheese. I prefer no sauce, but that's just me. Calzone's are made with mozzarella and ricotta, with or with sauce, and are folded in a half moon.
          Since moving to DE, I find that no one makes a rolled stromboli down here. Such a travesty.....

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            starbuck212 Dec 5, 2007 07:24 AM

            I agree with the original post & what they said on the radio. Stromboli is like a loaf, doesn't have any ricotta or marinara. I like getting Stromboli's from Franzones Pizza in Bridgeport -- they stuff if w/ various meats (I think the same you'd fine on an Italian Hoagie), it has melted mozerella inside, & has oil, onion & Italian seasonings. So, really, it's sort of like a cooked Italian Hoagie.

            1. smackdown Dec 5, 2007 07:33 AM

              i don't ever remember having a stromboli with ricotta inside of it - that to me (born and raised in the SEPA area) is a calzone. Tho the calzones i've had are more half moon in shape. what radio show was this?

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              1. re: smackdown
                Chinon00 Dec 5, 2007 07:56 AM

                It was on 610WIP sports radio's afternoon show with Anthony Gargano and Steve Martarano. In my area a calzone was loaf shaped and filled with ricotta and had a more flaky crust. A stromboli was half moon folded over pizza. I guess we were wrong in South East Delco?

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                  Schpsychman Dec 5, 2007 08:18 AM

                  Was raised in South Philly and then Delco afterward and I can tell you that a Calzone is always filled with ricotta and no sauce and usually one meat, maybe two, that you would find on a pizza (sausage, pepperoni, etc.), usually had with sauce on top of it. A Stromboli never never never has ricotta in it! It has mozzarella cheese and meats you would find in a hoagie (ham, cappicola, salami, pepperoni, etc.). Sauce is again usually on the side. To me, calzone is like a pizza while stromboli is more like a hoagie.

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                    RGC1982 Jan 15, 2008 12:53 PM

                    This is my experience too. I have lived in in the NE, and now, Texas. There are even Stromboli chain restaurants here in Texas, and they all put out what amounts to be an undressed hoagie rolled in pizza dough and toasted. Sauce and cheese are optional.

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                Hungryin theBurbs Dec 5, 2007 09:00 AM

                My first experience with calzones was in New England, They were half moon shaped, with ricotta and other fillings (veggies, meat) and served with sauce on top, and harder to find in the Philly area. My first encounter with strombolis, in this area, was tubular, no ricotta, and with cheese, sauce, etc. inside--like a rolled pizza.

                1. mschow Dec 5, 2007 09:08 AM

                  There is a bakery called Lancis in Philadelphia, with an outlet in NJ. On a friend's suggestion, I visited as she said they had great stromboli. And they do: at least 8 different kinds. It is loaf shaped pizza dough, stuffed with different ingredients. I have had one with b rabe, onions and mozzarella. Others have roasted peppers, italian ham, provolone, etc. All different types of mixtures. You buy them room temperature and warm them up, if desired.
                  I always thought a calzone was half moon shaped, filled with tomato sauce, ricotta, mozzarella, and maybe some type of Italian meat. Or, I have had one that did not have tomato sauce, but ricotta, mozzarella, and mushrooms.

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                    supersharpie Dec 5, 2007 10:40 AM

                    Stromboli is reported to have originated in 1950 in Essington, Pennsylvania, an unincorporated community in Tinicum Township just outside of Philadelphia, at Romano's Italian Restaurant & Pizzeria, by Nazzareno Romano. There, William Schofield supposedly gave it the name, after the movie Stromboli, starring Ingrid Bergman.[1] Other sources claim the stromboli was the brainchild of Mike Aquino, Sr. and that he created it in Spokane, Washington in 1954.[2] However, the Spokane story claims that Stromboli was playing in theaters in 1954, which is unlikely for a film released in 1950. The date of the film lends more credence to the Essington claims, as the dates better correspond.

                    source: Wikipedia

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                    1. re: supersharpie
                      vvvindaloo Dec 5, 2007 12:09 PM

                      Just for the record, Stromboli is one of the Aeolian Islands, off the coast of Sicily. Most likely, whomever did "invent" this way of eating pizza named it after the island. That said, I have seen stromboli (the food item), always in a rolled form, like that of a jelly roll cake, with mozzarella and another filling, often meat. Sometimes is has seeds on top. Calzone are most definitely a pizza made "fold-over style" with ricotta and mozzarella as the base filling.

                      1. re: supersharpie
                        hannaone Dec 5, 2007 09:41 PM

                        I don't know anything about the stromboli or calzone, but a 1950 release playing in Spokane theatres in 1954 sounds just about right.

                      2. jfood Dec 5, 2007 10:59 AM

                        jfood's humble distinction of these two wonderful ways of maximizing calories per cubic centimeter:

                        - Strombolis are rolled
                        - Calzones are folded

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                          Rick Dec 5, 2007 11:30 AM

                          Western PA here and our calzones have ricotta, strombolis don't.

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                            ESNY Dec 5, 2007 12:23 PM

                            They are both made with pizza dough, so any difference in texture of the crust, to the extent there is any, is due to the fillings and the thickness of the dough.

                            As jfood says, Calzones are folded. Stretch pizza dough into a round. Add ricotta and mozzarella to one half of dough (plus any additional ingredients but the two cheeses are a must) and then fold over and bake.

                            Strombolis are pizza dough stretched to a rectangle and filled and rolled almost like a jelly roll and then baked. I like to think of strombolis as containing only pepperoni and mozzarella cheese but they come in all varieties. The most common are the sausage roll, the chicken roll and the pepperoni roll.

                            Neither have sauce in or on it. Its served on the side.

                          2. re: jfood
                            John Manzo Dec 7, 2007 10:53 AM

                            as usual, jfood nailed it and did so succinctly. Fillings are irrelevant. if it's rolled its a "Stromb" and it it's folded it's a Calzone.

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                              Karl S Dec 7, 2007 11:24 AM

                              Fillings are very much relevent - a stromboli should have enough mozzarella to erupt out of the slits in the crust. A calzone should be lighter, with more ricotta than mozarella.

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                                ESNY Dec 7, 2007 11:33 AM

                                Filling are quite relevant. A stromboli does NOT have ricotta.

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                                  vvvindaloo Dec 7, 2007 11:35 AM

                                  Ditto!

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                                    John Manzo Dec 10, 2007 01:01 PM

                                    It has ricotta if you put ricotta in it.

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                                      piccola Dec 10, 2007 04:16 PM

                                      Amen.
                                      The key difference, I think, is rolled vs. folded.

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                                phungi Dec 5, 2007 11:54 AM

                                To complicate the matter, we introduce the panzerotti - folded and half-circle like the calzone, but with mozz and not ricotta cheese...

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                                  Blush Dec 6, 2007 12:11 PM

                                  This is what I grew up with in Southwestern Ontario. I had never heard of a calzone or stromboli until my teen years.

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                                    kritafo Dec 14, 2007 08:50 AM

                                    Where in SW Ontario?...I am a Chatham Girl and Mike's Pizza had the best Panzerotti

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                                      Blush Dec 14, 2007 11:26 AM

                                      I'm in London. I used to love the panzerottis from Ianni's/Tony's and from Byron Pizza.

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                                    vvvindaloo Dec 6, 2007 02:07 PM

                                    ah- but panzerotti are fried, whereas the others are baked....

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                                      TongoRad Dec 6, 2007 02:50 PM

                                      Deep fried calzones are one of life's great, and increasingly rare, treats. Sadly I only come across them at Italian food festivals during the summer months, though there are a few places in the NYC area that still do them that way.

                                  3. TSQ75 Dec 5, 2007 12:40 PM

                                    I've only known them as the former...

                                    calzone=turnover/half moon
                                    stromboli=wrapped/rolled

                                    the other weird one, is how one friend of mine from colorado calls something that sounds like a strombili to me, a canolli!

                                    I'm all "but that's dessert!"

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                                      foodperv Dec 6, 2007 02:12 PM

                                      here in mass. we have both names but the strom is always rolled the cal goes either way
                                      as far as filling both are filled with what ever floats your boat

                                      1. Karl S Dec 7, 2007 03:37 AM

                                        Strombolis are rolled, slit on the top, and have a greater proportion of mozzarella to ricotta (if any of the latter), so that the mozarella erupts like the eponymous volcano through the slits in the dough.

                                        A calzone is folded, uncut, and should have more ricotta and less mozarella - it should be lighter in feel.

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                                          John Manzo Dec 7, 2007 10:57 AM

                                          The "eponymous" volcano? There's a volcano named "Stromboli"?

                                          Ah, there is indeed! Snark taken back and turned upon myself. Death by snark misfire. Arrrgh.

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                                            rworange Dec 7, 2007 04:59 PM

                                            Yep ... there's a volcano by that name and that's where the name came from ... the cheese oozing out like lava from a volcano. Here's an old discussion about the differences.
                                            http://www.chowhound.com/topics/300533

                                            Great simplification jfood ... though as others said, filling matters.

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                                              fryrose Dec 14, 2007 09:17 AM

                                              Thank goodness the OP did not ask this question on the Midwest board. In NW Indiana and in central Indiana where I went to college, stromboli was an open faced sandwich on half a hoagie/sub roll. It was covered in pizza sauce and had crumbled sausage in it. Sometimes it had sliced onions on top.

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                                                John Manzo May 4, 2009 10:10 AM

                                                I grew up in Hammond. Stromboli was not an open faced sandwich except for one I haplessly ordered at Pizza Hut. It was always rolled.

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                                          NedDee Jun 5, 2011 07:46 AM

                                          The way it was explained to me is that a Stromboli has the tomato sauce inside the pocket, while with the calzone the tomato sauce is servered on the side for dipping.

                                          The reason is that Stromboli is named after a famous volcano, and when you bite into a Stromboli, the hot tomato sauce oozes out, like the lava in a volcano.

                                          This was how we differentiated them at the Napolitan restaurant where I worked, whidh was run by a Sicilian family.

                                          1. Midknight Jun 6, 2011 10:18 AM

                                            Being Italian, we've always simply called all incarnations of stuffed pizza panzarrotti.

                                            1. Midlife Jun 6, 2011 12:14 PM

                                              Here's a CH post that has a picture of a stromboli: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/621140
                                              ............... it's a California stromboli and geography could change things somewhat.

                                              My first stromboli was in that same area (in Hayward, CA) about 25 years ago. I grew up in New York and we had calzones there, but I don't recall stromboli as a kid.

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