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I've got Miller Lite. What do I do with it?

Davydd Nov 30, 2007 08:11 AM

We had guests over for Thanksgiving that I knew were lite beer drinkers because that's all they ever served at their houses. So I bought a 6 pack of Miller Lite for them. No one drank it. Everyone hit on my Summit Extra Pale Ale and Bell's Lager of the Lakes stock and even grabbed some of my Surly Furious. I encouraged my wife to try it the other night hoping maybe she would lay off my good stuff and her comment was it tasted flat. So I tried one. No, it was just light beer. So now we have four left. What the heck do we do with it? ;)

  1. jgg13 Nov 30, 2007 08:14 AM

    Drink it?

    1. invinotheresverde Nov 30, 2007 08:29 AM

      I feel your pain, Mr. Food. Man, those 'Fins stink this year.

      What about some good ol' beer-battered onion rings? Traditional, but sooo good hot out of the fryer. Add a little cumin and lemon pepper and voila.

      1. Chinon00 Nov 30, 2007 08:46 AM

        Use it to deglaze for a sauce or stew.

        1. GastronautMN Nov 30, 2007 08:57 AM

          I usually use beer in my Chili if it gets to thick or to deglaze after browning the meat. Yuor hoppy preferances would be too strong for that so a lite beer is perfect.

          1. Sam at Novas Nov 30, 2007 09:27 AM

            Slugs are kind of dumb, put it in a shallow pan for them. If you make bread or have a bread machine, it is good for bread baking.

            1. TroyTempest Nov 30, 2007 09:57 AM

              you could just save it until some light beer drinkers come by. I'd think it would keep for at least a couple of years. I once kept 2 wine coolers for over 5 years (3 moves) before finally pouring 'em out just before the 4th move. (I'm a little proud of this considering that there were times when it was the only alcohol in the house)
              Also, use in beer batter for cod in fish and chips. Would be great with some of the stuff you already have on hand.

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                brentk Nov 30, 2007 10:38 AM

                I would doubt it would keep for a couple years as lagers tend to oxidize in unpleasant ways much faster than that.

                Fish and chips is not a bad idea although I prefered some of the more outlandish suggestions.

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                galumphix Nov 30, 2007 10:55 AM

                If it's in cans, go rafting with it. Just about everyone only allows canned beers on raft trips. I've kept 'em over the winter and done fine, too. I usually have some leftover river schwag beers in the fridge for when light-beer-loving friends pop in. Brentk is wrong, those bad boys keep forever. Might be the preservatives, I don't know.

                1. shanntastic Nov 30, 2007 11:32 AM

                  Surprisingly, a half a light beer in a pitcher of frozen margaritas gives it a little bubbly something without the gross light beer taste. It's the secret ingredient in my friend's killer margs and something you just couldn't do with Rogue Dead Guy or Stone IPA.

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                  1. re: shanntastic
                    chocchipcookie Dec 10, 2007 05:33 PM

                    Ditto that! I use a whole can of " leftover" lite beer and 1 large frozen can of limeade with some tequilia of course whirred in a blender to perfection. Beer and tequilia go hand in hand.

                  2. southernitalian Nov 30, 2007 11:37 AM

                    Make a Red Eye! Equal parts tomato juice and beer, maybe a little more juice. Ice cold!

                    1. linguafood Nov 30, 2007 11:39 AM

                      Ugh. Lite "beer". Whenever someone brings that over, and then -- just like your guests -- drinks the good stuff we have at home, it'll sit in the kitchen until I use it for poaching or steaming shrimp.

                      1. Bat Guano Nov 30, 2007 12:01 PM

                        Stick it up a chicken's butt. Pour out about half the can, add some spices (whatever you're using on the chicken) and prop the chicken on top of the open can. Roast in the oven or on the grill; the can of 'beer' keeps the bird moist.

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                          kenito799 Jan 10, 2008 08:17 AM

                          This is exactly what I was going to suggest. Beer can chicken is awesome! You throw all the beer away after it's done so it's the perfect use for Miller Lite.

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                          LStaff Dec 1, 2007 05:33 AM

                          Lite beer is great hangover cure.

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                            lebelage Dec 1, 2007 05:36 AM

                            In pizza doughs and some bread doughs I replace half the water called for with beer.
                            I started that after a sitch very similar to yours. It boosts the leavening power and leaves a pleasant beery taste even when the beer itself wasn't very pleasant.

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                            1. re: lebelage
                              Davydd Dec 1, 2007 08:54 AM

                              Substituting for pizza might not be a bad idea. I do make a lot of pizzas. However, it will never grace my beer cheese soup. <grin>

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                                Davydd Dec 1, 2007 08:56 AM

                                If it held for a couple of years how would you taste the difference? LOL

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                                  Loren3 Dec 3, 2007 12:35 PM

                                  Pre-skunked for your drinking (dis)pleasure!

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                                Tay Dec 4, 2007 12:26 PM

                                Hair rinse

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                                  missfunkysoul Dec 4, 2007 12:42 PM

                                  totally.

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                                    JK Grence the Cosmic Jester Dec 10, 2007 12:40 AM

                                    Indeed. I know Guinness is incredible for curly hair, I'd imagine any beer would do nicely. Just make sure you wash it out very well.

                                  2. Bunnyfood Dec 4, 2007 12:29 PM

                                    It works with Coors Light(but , according the commericals, not all light beers are created equal...yeah, right...) ...Poor into french press style coffee press and let sit 30 minutes. Rinse with hot tap water. Coffee residue and oils- vamoose!

                                    1. Chew on That Dec 4, 2007 12:43 PM

                                      You've probably already figured this out by now based on the comments, but how about Beer Battered Veggies!

                                      Ingredients

                                      2 C. all-purpose flour
                                      1-1/2 C. beer
                                      2 eggs
                                      1 C. milk
                                      Salt and pepper to taste
                                      2 C. vegetable oil for frying
                                      Any veggies you like cut in bite sizes
                                      - Broccoli or Cauliflower floret
                                      - Carrot, cut into thick strips
                                      - Onion, sliced into rings
                                      - Fresh mushrooms, stems removed
                                      - Green bell pepper, sliced in rings

                                      Directions

                                      In a medium bowl, mix together 1-1/2 C. flour and beer with a wooden spoon; let stand for at least 3 hours at room temperature. Mix eggs and milk in a small bowl. In a separate bowl, mix together 1/2 C. flour and salt and pepper. Heat oil to 375 degrees F (190 degrees C).

                                      Dip each vegetable in the egg and milk mixture. Next dip the vegetable into the flour and seasoning mixture, finally dip the vegetable in the beer and flour mixture.

                                      Place the vegetables into the oil and fry until golden brown,

                                      1. Chinon00 Dec 4, 2007 12:59 PM

                                        tempura batter

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                                          algorithmnation Dec 7, 2007 01:41 PM

                                          Silly as it may sound, for me a lite beer can really hit the spot after doing something strenuous and hot in the summer, like mowing the lawn or chasing after the kids. Also, if you live in the south, cheap beer is a good cure for a fire ant hill.

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                                          1. re: algorithmnation
                                            Chinon00 Dec 7, 2007 04:35 PM

                                            And as I've responded many times; why not water or lemonade after mowing the lawn? I mean you're probably at least slightly dehydrated and can you seriously tell me that lemonade isn't as refreshing as lite beer in the heat?

                                            There is no use for light beer as a beverage (if you claim to like "beer" [IMHO]).

                                            1. re: Chinon00
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                                              algorithmnation Dec 7, 2007 09:28 PM

                                              Dehydration really isn't a concern because, contrary to popular opinion, beer (or coffee or tea) doesn't dehydrate you they.......don't cause you to lose more liquid than you gain from the beverage......they may not be quite as hydrating as water but are probably as hydrating as sweetened sports drinks (if you want to rehydrate, hold your nose and drink pedialyte).....lemonade can be cloyingly sweet and water can be flat and uninteresting. The Brits had a "lite" beer long ago, when they invented mild bitter, designed to quench the thirst of very thirsty millworkers without getting them drunk in short order with a beer that matured in a very short amount of time (so it would be cheap). It also didn't have a lot going for it in the flavor or body department, so it was often married to a bit of "old beer" for flavor.

                                              It is true that light beer is very low on flavor, body, and complexity, and it is also true that almost all of the time I would willingly step over a dozen free kegs of light beer to pay $$$ for a pint of London Pride or a bottle of Anchor Steam, I certainly believe that there is a time and a place for every style of beer, and I'd say light beer does pretty well when standing at your fence in a pile of grass clippings, chatting with your neighbor about nothing in particular.

                                              1. re: algorithmnation
                                                Chinon00 Dec 8, 2007 04:22 AM

                                                Two points and a question:
                                                1) alcohol is never a good choice for rehydration.
                                                2) please don't compare Miller Lite to English Mild and Bitter which are among my favorite beers in the world. They are a lighter style but they can be wonderfully complex and interesting (e.g. Bluebird bitter, Timothy Taylor).
                                                3) would you drink non-alcoholic lite beer like O'Doul's after lawn work?

                                                Thanks

                                                1. re: Chinon00
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                                                  algorithmnation Dec 9, 2007 10:57 AM

                                                  1) Hydration is overrated......many more folks think they need to be hydrated than actually do....people have actually killed themselves while running marathons by overhydration.......most of the people who run around claiming to be "dehydrated" are nothing of the sort......and adequate hydration is better maintained by a glass or two of water before the mowing, not after......when water was unsafe to drink......beer was used for hydration b/c no pathogens can survive in beer.....and, as I said, it's not optimal for hydration, but neither are sports drinks (due to the fact that the huge amount of sugar in them makes them quite hypertonic....the original sports drinks did replace water and electrolytes well but were not terribly tasty and didn't survive market pressure)
                                                  2) Light beers were designed to have a smaller quantity of something, as were milds (although one aimed for lower cals, the other alcohol), I never compared the two....in fact, I think I made it quite clear that I prefer milds and bitters.....I brew them almost exlusively (with mead, old ale, barley wine, and stouts thrown in every now and then for good measure) and I buy them often.....my favorite pub quaff is London Pride
                                                  3) No......but I do avoid snobbery when it comes to beer.....I tend to avoid the highly hopped American "IPA" that seems to be the current rage because I consider them to be overly hopped for my taste, but I don't disparage them either.......I'm not a fan of the tang of wheat beers, but I know many who love them (and, incidentally, prefer them as their after-mowing drink).

                                                  1. re: algorithmnation
                                                    Chinon00 Dec 9, 2007 01:02 PM

                                                    1) These are not the Dark Ages. Most municipalities can provide really clean water these days. And any doctor will tell you after strenous work to drink non-alcoholic beverages first.
                                                    2) You originally stated "for me a lite beer can really hit the spot after doing something strenuous and hot in the summer, like mowing the lawn or chasing after the kids". So were you refering to Miller Lite or English Mild and Bitters?
                                                    3) Why would you not drink O'Douls after a hot day in the fields? It has everything that Miller Lite has in terms of flavor. The only thing missing is the alcohol.

                                                    1. re: Chinon00
                                                      Josh Dec 9, 2007 08:41 PM

                                                      Looks like the boffins have found that post-exertion beer is good for hydration.

                                                      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live...

                                                      1. re: Chinon00
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                                                        algorithmnation Dec 10, 2007 07:07 AM

                                                        1) Actually, a number of doctors are not very good at nutrition......in a lot of cases they act rather bored if they have to attend a lecture on nutrition. As a research nutritionist, I've seen this first-hand. And the polyuria usually associated with drinking lots of beer comes primarily from the amount of liquid consumed rather than the diuretic effect of alcohol....and we all know American light beers sit lighter on the stomach, enabling copious consumption (a misuse of beer, IMHO). Compare the number of times you have to go to the bathroom after drinking wine or liquor and the point becomes obvious.
                                                        2) In this narrow case, I like beers of the American Light style (a true beer style...I think the massive popularity of the style is absurd, however I believe it has its place)
                                                        3) I don't like O'Douls b/c I don't like the taste (something in the alcohol removal process, perhaps....I don't like decaf for the much same reason) and for some reason it gives me a headache. Also, I don't actually buy light beers (unless my father-in-law visits) as they are usually handed to me by a neighbor, and I'm generally not ungracious enough to tell them that "There is no use for light beer as a beverage (if you claim to like "beer)" so I drink up and enjoy. By the same token, I'll generally hand them a bitter and they'll do the same.

                                                        I can't quite understand the vociferous feelings among some beer aficionados against American light. Just because you don't like it doesn't necessarily disqualify it from the hall of beerdom. It's really quite akin to a self-described gourmand declaring a greasy plate of fries unfit for consumption when sometimes those fries can be just what fits the bill for your appetite.

                                                        Moreover, the Great American Beer Festival has an American Light category and the true "King of Beers" Michael Jackson (let's all raise a glass to his memory) mentions it as a good companion to seafood, particularly sushi. Convinces me that it has a place for those who claim to like beer......

                                                        1. re: algorithmnation
                                                          Chinon00 Dec 10, 2007 01:55 PM

                                                          Could you please provide or reference the quote from Michael Jackson where he mentions this?

                                                          Thanks

                                                          1. re: Chinon00
                                                            JessKidden Dec 10, 2007 02:29 PM

                                                            (Raising and waves hand) Oh, oh, I know this one!

                                                            "Shellfish go well with either [beer or wine] but but sushi, for example, has a happy relationship with a light Japanese or American beer. The same is true of any spicy Oriental food."

                                                            About 3/4's through this http://www.beerhunter.com/documents/1... which I happened to be re-reading several weeks ago.

                                                            It should be noted that "light" was not always used to mean "Lite/low calorie" when used as a beer descriptor in the US. Many US beers in the post-Prohibition era were labeled "light lager" meaning light in color and flavor profile, before the introduction and popularity of "Miller Lite" and it's predecessors (Gablingers, Meisterbrau Lite) and it's many followers into the "low cal-less filling" catagory.

                                                            Placing the quote in context, I assume MJ is saying "a light, American beer" rather than an "American Light Beer", especially given that it was written in the early 80's before low calorie "Light Beers" came to dominate the US market- about 1/2 of all beer sold in the US is "light beer"- more than half of the top 15 brands IIRC are "light".

                                                            1. re: JessKidden
                                                              Chinon00 Dec 10, 2007 04:34 PM

                                                              Thank you. As I thought MJ was refering to "Bud" and not "Bud Light". Although I haven't had a Bud in years, to me it still qualifies (barely) as "beer". The "lights" however are I think designed specifically for those of us you don't like the taste of actual beer but still wanna get a buzz cheaply. Honestly do any of us believe that the makers of light lager are really concerned about making interesting beer (as are those who make bitters, milds, helles, etc)?

                                                              1. re: Chinon00
                                                                alanbarnes Dec 11, 2007 08:21 AM

                                                                Good thing you know what Jackson was talking about. I would have assumed otherwise in light of the fact (sorry, couldn't resist) that Miller Lite had been heavily marketed since the mid-70s. And Coors Light since 1978. But since Bud is the only American macrobrew he had in mind and Bud Light the only "American Light," it's good to know that he couldn't have been talking about light beer.

                                                                Oh, but wait!!! Bud Light was introduced in January 1982 to much fanfare and millions of dollars of TV ads. Jackson didn't write his article until almost two years later--November 1983. But he probably doesn't pay any attention to things like the beer media.

                                                                "Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind's made up."

                                                                1. re: alanbarnes
                                                                  Chinon00 Dec 11, 2007 09:49 AM

                                                                  http://www.beerhunter.com/documents/1...

                                                                  Check the specific reference to Miller and "Lite" beer.

                                                                  Thanks

                                                                  1. re: alanbarnes
                                                                    JessKidden Dec 11, 2007 12:44 PM

                                                                    I don't know, I still think that, at the time (as well as today) the common "beer terminology" usage would have been "Japanese and American light beer" if he meant "light/lite/low cal" beers. By saying "light Japanese or American beer" I can only read it as "Japanese or American beers which are light (bodied)".

                                                                    In the first US edition of "World Guide to Beer" (1977) he writes:

                                                                    "Miller's acceleration was hitched to the popularity of the so-called "light" beers, which turned out to be a surprise success with weight-conscious Americans. These are weak and watery brews, in no way comparable with the genuine diet beers brewed in Germany, Britain and other countries. The American "light" beer was pioneered by Rheingold's Gablinger brand, but it was Miller's LITE which proved to be the great national success."

                                                                    His first edition of The Pocket Guide to Beer (1982), which, since it was the very early days of the craft beer movement, listed EVERY US brewery at the time, had no reviews for any of the "light beers". His definition of "Light Beer" (under Types of Beers) includes lines like:

                                                                    "Low-calorie beers in the U.S. and, to a lesser extent, Britain, use this designation. These are simply very weak beers... At these low strengths, it is difficult to brew a lager with any taste."

                                                                    The book for the Second GABF (1983) lists NO "light beers" as entries (the only macro national brewers there were Coors- which entered only its "George Killian's Irish Red"- and Heileman with it's super-premium Special Export). In the case of two beers with "light" in their names (Geyer Bros.' Frankenmuth Bavarian Light and Huber's Augsburger Light- both of which had "Dark" counterparts) the descriptions of both note, "________ is a light lager in the European sense, not in the low calorie sense".

                                                                    1. re: JessKidden
                                                                      alanbarnes Dec 11, 2007 01:28 PM

                                                                      GABF didn't have category winners 'til 87, but as soon as they did, "light American" beers were distinguished from from the "American" macros. That said, there's a possibility that MJ was talking about "regular" American beer in his article. It seems more likely to me from his choice of words and the beers available at the time that he meant "light" beer when he talked about "light beer." But it seems patently unreasonable to claim that he COULDN'T have been talking about those beers.

                                                                      Maybe MJ himself could clear it up, but hey, he wrote it 25 years ago. What does The Pocket Guide have to say about American and Japanese lagers?

                                                                      1. re: alanbarnes
                                                                        JessKidden Dec 11, 2007 02:03 PM

                                                                        "But it seems patently unreasonable to claim that he COULDN'T have been talking about those beers."

                                                                        And who's done that? Both Chinoon's and my posts all have qualifiers ("I think" "I assume").

                                                                        "It seems more likely to me from his choice of words and the beers available at the time that he meant "light" beer when he talked about "light beer.""

                                                                        Yup, I'd agree with you BUT he didn't say "light beer", he said "light Japanese or American beer", so,even by your reasoning, he should have phrased it "Japanese or American light beer" if he meant "Miller Lite" or "Kirin Light". Reading his late 70's, early 80's opinion of "light beer", do you really think he'd recommend them as a sushi pairing or for anything else?

                                                                        "What does The Pocket Guide have to say about American and Japanese lagers?"

                                                                        Hmmm...Budweiser is described as havng "a delicate fruitiness...a distinctive but subtle character". Of Miller he says their "genius lies in marketing. It popularized light beers and perhaps the most agreeable of its products is the once-famous and now-neglected Miller High Life" (and then he gives it one star- "average").

                                                                        Elsewhere, he writes Schlitz is "a rather light beer". Coors "is the ultimate US beer in terms of its light, clean refreshing character." "The regular Olympia is light." Stroh's has a "fairly light body".

                                                                        For Japan, "as a response to the lightness, delicacy, and freshness of Japnese food, the country's brewers have sought a similar character in their beers. The principal products are lagers that are light in body and very delicate in their hop content."

                                                                        (Wow, that's a lot of transcribing. You know what would be good right now? A nice cellar temp. nonic glass of "BEATING A DEAD HORSE IPA" ).

                                                                        1. re: JessKidden
                                                                          alanbarnes Dec 11, 2007 03:02 PM

                                                                          Thanks for the info provided, and let's raise a glass to the the deceased equine. Speaking of which, I'm still trying to find the qualifier in Chinon00's "Thank you. As I thought MJ was refering to 'Bud' and not 'Bud Light.'"

                                                                    2. re: alanbarnes
                                                                      Chinon00 Dec 11, 2007 02:10 PM

                                                                      I just don’t understand why he would deride the “Lite” style; to the point of dedicating an entire article to deriding it, and in which he is praying for its demise: “It’s time to turn out the lites”. And yet also have the opinion that the very same “Lite” beer (which he also derided as "tasteless") would form a happy relationship with some foods. That doesn’t make sense to me. Does it make sense to you?

                                                                      1. re: Chinon00
                                                                        alanbarnes Dec 11, 2007 03:28 PM

                                                                        Did you actually read the article you linked to? It wasn't about the "lite" style beers, and it didn't pray for their demise. Rather, it was about a trend he perceived toward large manufacturers brewing beers with more beer flavor.

                                                                        He starts by talking about Miller Clear, a then-recently-departed and unmourned malt beverage with all the color and flavor removed, makes one passing reference to "Lite Beer," discusses the discontinuation of preservatives in Molson (a Standard American Lager, according to the BJCP), and the return to an all-malt mash by Heineken (a Premium American Lager). In other words, the article had nothing to do with American Light Lagers; it was about the lack of quality and taste in macrobrews generally.

                                                                        Unfortuantely, the conclusion he drew from those long-ago events turns out to have been incorrect. He was concerned that "[i]f you train drinkers to believe that the less the flavour, the better the beer, how long before they prefer mineral water or soda-pop? If you keep making beer more like sweetened water, what happens when no one can tell the difference? If the drink looks and tastes like soda but contains 4 or 5 per cent alcohol, does it not mislead in a way that plays into the hands of those who would deem beer, wine or spirits socially unacceptable?" And he was happy that "[a]fter decades in which ales and lagers alike have become ever more like fizzy, sweetened water with alcohol, the failure of Clear Beer and the success of Amber Ale may well mean that last year the tide turned."

                                                                        Hello, Bacardi Silver / Mike's Hard Lemonade / Smirnoff Ice / etc. Now if you want to disparage a beverage or six, feel free to tee off on those.

                                                                        1. re: alanbarnes
                                                                          Chinon00 Dec 11, 2007 07:42 PM

                                                                          A comment and a question:
                                                                          1) I consider your points about the MJ article that I posted to be splitting hairs. In the article Mr. Jackson has clearly divided "beer" into two separate camps; ones with true beer flavor and ones lacking true beer flavor. You figure out into which camp he would place Miller Lite.

                                                                          2) Are we now actually discussing the relative merits of Mike's Hard Lemonade and Smirnoff Ice versus Miller lite on chowhound's beer board?

                                                                          Thanks

                                                                          1. re: Chinon00
                                                                            alanbarnes Dec 11, 2007 10:42 PM

                                                                            Your claim that the article divided beers into two camps is simply wrong. Unless you want to define one camp as being Miller Clear, a beer that had been filtered of all flavor and color. I certainly woudn't argue with adding recent inventions such as Mike's Hard Lemonade et al. to that camp. But the article certainly did not include Light American Lagers with those pseudo-beers.

                                                                            For anyone with a rudimentary grasp of the English language, it is clear that MJ was recognizing a continuum between great beer and everything else and hoping that large brewers might focus on the middle of that continuum instead of joining the race to the bottom. But if you’re going to claim that two camps were established, you’re going to have to include Heineken and Molson—two brands that were specifically mentioned in the article—among those that "lack true beer flavor." Presumably, therefore, that "camp" must also include Bud, Coors, Miller, Michelob, Corona, Stella, Kirin, Fosters, and untold others.

                                                                            If you want to claim that the article takes this position, more power to you. But you're claims don't make it so.

                                                                            1. re: alanbarnes
                                                                              Chinon00 Dec 12, 2007 02:21 AM

                                                                              From the article:
                                                                              "Miller has a history of trying to remove the character from beer. It popularised Lite Beer, memorably described as "wet air" by the native American writer William Least-Heat Moon;"

                                                                              From you:
                                                                              "[I]t is clear that MJ was recognizing a continuum between great beer and everything else and hoping that large brewers might focus on the middle of that continuum instead of joining the race to the bottom."

                                                                              So after reading the quoted portion of the article you are still unsure as to whether he would categorize Miller Lite as part of the, as you put it, "race to the bottom"?

                                                                              1. re: Chinon00
                                                                                alanbarnes Dec 12, 2007 08:09 AM

                                                                                There's no doubt that he would consider Miller Lite part of the "race to the bottom." And there's equally little doubt that he'd put MGD (also referred to in the article) in the same category.

                                                                                You attempt to draw an arbitrary line between beverages that qualify as "beer" and those that don't, including Bud in the first category and Bud Light in the second. It's a bogus distinction. None of the macrobrewers' light beers are great beers. But neither are any of their standard offerings, either.

                                                                                1. re: alanbarnes
                                                                                  Chinon00 Dec 12, 2007 05:32 PM

                                                                                  My distinction isn't between "great" beers and beers that are "not great". The distinction I wish to establish is one between products that retain noticeable beer character and ones that wish not to.

                                                                            2. re: Chinon00
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                                                                              algorithmnation Jan 10, 2008 06:17 AM

                                                                              Interesting that you would accuse someone else of splitting hairs.......

                                                                      2. re: alanbarnes
                                                                        Josh Jan 21, 2008 06:08 AM

                                                                        I realize this is way late, but I think that you (alanbarnes) are deliberately misreading Jackson's comment. At the time he wrote that about pairing with sushi, how many Japanese beers were being produced that were marketed as "lite" (i.e. lower calorie)? It's obvious to anyone who knows beer that what he meant was the style of light lager popular in Japan and the US. A light-bodied beer doesn't imply a low calorie "lite" beer, and I see no reason to make such an inference - especially considering MJ's well-documented antipathy towards "lite" beer.

                                                                        1. re: Josh
                                                                          alanbarnes Jan 21, 2008 10:19 AM

                                                                          No, what I'm saying is that Chinon00 assumes way too much when he claims that Jackson could not possibly have been talking about Miller Lite or Bud Light.

                                                                          Your point about the Japanese breweries being late to the "lite" beer marketing craze is well-taken, and supports your interpretation of the quoted ambiguous language. But it's a far cry from being conclusive.

                                                                          The claim that Jackson could not possibly have ever had anything good to say about "lite" beer is bothersome on two fronts. First, starting with that claim requires everything written by MJ to be read through that lens. And reading any text through a lens of preconception does the writer a disservice. Moreover, it implies that Jackson's opinions on beer are somehow immutable and infallible.

                                                                          I drink beer because it tastes good and talk about beer because it's fun. Bombast, dogmatism, and denigration contribute nothing to the dialogue; let's leave them to bores and boors.

                                                                          1. re: alanbarnes
                                                                            Chinon00 Jan 21, 2008 11:54 AM

                                                                            If you enjoy lite beer, that’s great. I have a thing for Taco Bell; I just wouldn’t go so far as to defend it on a Mexican cuisine food board.

                                                                            1. re: Chinon00
                                                                              alanbarnes Jan 21, 2008 12:36 PM

                                                                              And I wouldn't pretend that I can channel Diana Kennedy or provide ex cathedra interpretations of anything she wrote 25 years ago. Give it a rest.

                                                                              1. re: alanbarnes
                                                                                Josh Jan 21, 2008 07:48 PM

                                                                                I, too, drink beer because it tastes good. Which is why I *don't* drink "lite" beer - because at best it's flavorless.

                                                                                1. re: Josh
                                                                                  Chinon00 Jan 22, 2008 03:22 AM

                                                                                  And saying that lite beer is great on a 100F degree day after mowing the lawn (its standard defense on this string) is like saying that a certain dish is great, but only if you haven't had anything else to eat for like 8 to 12 hours. I think that there might be a need to factor out things such as intense thirst and extreme hunger when judging beverages and food (but that’s just me).

                                                                                  1. re: Chinon00
                                                                                    Josh Jan 22, 2008 07:05 AM

                                                                                    No I think that's a perfectly valid point, and really if it's 100 degrees and I'm exerting myself, beer is the last thing on my mind.

                                                                2. re: algorithmnation
                                                                  MVNYC Dec 10, 2007 02:06 PM

                                                                  I for one would rather have a glass of water in all of those situations. Then once my thirst was propely quenched, I would have a pale ale, IPA, Hefeweizen, bitter, ESB or Kolsch on a hot day. Then again, I do not feel that any beer quenches my thirst. I only drink water when thirsty, I guess I get over saturated.

                                                                  I also would not compare it to the gourmand and the greasy fries, as a properly fried piece of potato is indeed quite a difference from a poor example of the same. Miller lite is more like store white bread, if you only have it and think that is what bread should taste like then you like it and use it. White bread to me like light beer is something I avoid yet I don't detest. Not everyone pays as much attention to things like bread or beer as I do and that is ok. To each their own.

                                                                  Some would say the beer snob who hates litght beer is annoying. So too is the beer lover who denies they are a snob in the spirit of being open.

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                                                                    algorithmnation Dec 10, 2007 08:58 PM

                                                                    I never said that a beer snob who hates light beer is annoying, because that's basically an opinion. A snob of any stripe who dogmatically states that everyone should hate a certain item (greasy fries, light beer, tripe, sushi...whatever) is what I find annoying. And my general point throughout all of this palaver is not that people should not have a discerning palate (else why this site), but that what matches someone else's palate may not match mine, and vice versa. If I'm annoying because I refuse to look down on someone because of what they happen to enjoy (at least as far as food and drink are considered....we shouldn't get in to the other stuff) then I'm proud to be annoying (a good thing, too, because I certainly am).

                                                                    1. re: algorithmnation
                                                                      Chinon00 Dec 11, 2007 01:55 AM

                                                                      "Just because you don't like it doesn't necessarily disqualify it from the hall of beerdom."

                                                                      If by "it" you are refering to "light" beer (i.e. Coors light, Miller light, etc), it is my opinion that if one defaults to these types of products (rather than even a Bud for instance) then I'd only conclude that they don't like beer. And something that is nearly devoid of any beer character (as "light" beer is) and has probably gained popularity for this very reason (IMHO) to me most certainly should be disqualified from "beerdom".

                                                                      Thanks

                                                                      1. re: algorithmnation
                                                                        MVNYC Dec 11, 2007 06:34 AM

                                                                        Yes what matches one palate might not match anothers. Yet all palates are not equal nor should we expect them to be. Sometimes snobbery is justified, like I said some people really just do not care about some things the way people who are "chowhounds" do. To expect everyone else to do what you do and look down on them for that is ridiculous and I do not think that is what anyone is saying. however that said, most people here seem to agree the product in question is an inferior product, snobbery be damned. You seem to be really going out of your way to defend a product that you are admitting you do not enjoy or actively seek out.

                                                                  2. re: Chinon00
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                                                                    WyCo Dec 11, 2007 05:56 AM

                                                                    Would you say that a non alcholic wine has the same flavor as even a low end wine? I don't care which light (caloric) beer you drink, it tastes better than O'Douls.

                                                                    1. re: WyCo
                                                                      Chinon00 Dec 11, 2007 07:00 AM

                                                                      Are we now actually discussing the relative merits of O'Douls and Miller lite on chowhound?

                                                                      1. re: Chinon00
                                                                        TroyTempest Dec 11, 2007 10:44 AM

                                                                        nevermind - trying to delete my post, obviously it will only let you edit it

                                                              2. re: algorithmnation
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                                                                HeBrew Dec 8, 2007 06:13 AM

                                                                The Belgian Saison was also created for the same reason as the mild bitter except it was made to give to the farmers working out in the fields. They are also referred to as farmhouse ales and Belgian law used to allow up to 5 liters a day for each worker.

                                                                1. re: HeBrew
                                                                  Chinon00 Dec 9, 2007 05:36 AM

                                                                  Farmhouse is another fantastic and complex and wonderfully interesting beer that I really hope we aren't comparing to Miller Lite.

                                                                  Thanks

                                                                2. re: algorithmnation
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                                                                  lpfaf Jan 21, 2008 01:13 AM

                                                                  You're right about coffee or tea, algorithmnation--it's a myth that caffeine dehydrates you. Alcohol, though, does something to the hormone vasopressin (I can't remember if it increases it or decreases it), so that it makes you pee more often. Thus, it does dehydrate you. It's about 50% of what causes a hangover.

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                                                              MysticYoYo Dec 8, 2007 04:45 AM

                                                              Christmas is just a few weeks away. If you are entertaining, you are bound to have a few light (lite?) weight visitors who want a lower calorie beer with their snacks, taste be damned! The 4 beers will go fast.

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                                                                jeanmarieok Dec 10, 2007 07:09 AM

                                                                Throw it into your chili, stew, etc., and let it cook down a little bit.

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                                                                  JCap Dec 10, 2007 05:16 PM

                                                                  In the summer, put it over ice with a squeeze of lime, a dash or two of worcestershire and hot sauce.
                                                                  I find it refreshing.

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                                                                  1. re: JCap
                                                                    JessKidden Dec 10, 2007 05:31 PM

                                                                    "In the summer, put it over ice with a squeeze of lime, a dash or two of worcestershire and hot sauce."

                                                                    And then what do you do with it?

                                                                    1. re: JessKidden
                                                                      Chinon00 Dec 10, 2007 05:56 PM

                                                                      lol

                                                                      1. re: Chinon00
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                                                                        JCap Dec 11, 2007 12:27 PM

                                                                        That is good JessKidden- nobody in my family likes it either. I don't know- we all have our guilty pleasures, right?

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                                                                    giveittomikey Dec 12, 2007 08:16 AM

                                                                    Use it for boiling fresh bratwurst before grilling.

                                                                    1. Davydd Jan 21, 2008 02:25 PM

                                                                      The last bottle of Miller Lite was drunk last night by my wife. It took that long. She reluctantly did so when we ran out of Summit Extra Pale Ale at dinner. I couldn't even consider it for a beer cheese soup. I'll never buy it again.

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                                                                      1. re: Davydd
                                                                        Jim Dorsch Jan 21, 2008 03:47 PM

                                                                        What will be your strategy next time you entertain light beer drinkers? Maybe a local pale lager beer? I wonder if such a person would view a solid German pils as a premium offering. Some folks get outside their comfort zone pretty quickly.

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                                                                          bigchow Jan 22, 2008 09:45 AM

                                                                          In the area, Summit's Pilsner seems like a good offering. I think they have really improved it.

                                                                          1. re: Jim Dorsch
                                                                            Davydd Jan 24, 2008 02:13 PM

                                                                            Experience shows they will glom onto my best stuff regardless so I will not worry about accommodating guests. I now suspect light beer drinkers are just cheap. Carbs and calories are just BS. They would be better off drinking water if that is their worry.

                                                                            1. re: Davydd
                                                                              Chinon00 Jan 24, 2008 05:57 PM

                                                                              Don't you hate that! I'm known as the resident "wine snob" in my family. So whenever I bring wine (or beer) to family event invariably everybody wants some of my "good" stuff. This always leads to the same thing; half full or virtually unconsumed glasses of my good stuff all around the house.

                                                                          2. re: Davydd
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                                                                            WyCo Jan 22, 2008 11:16 AM

                                                                            Most people I know who drink Miller Lite, drink it because it is low in carbs and calories, not because they prefer it to all other beers. I would just buy a six pack for my guest and pour the leftover beer out. It is pretty cheap.

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                                                                              ThaiNut Jan 26, 2008 11:33 AM

                                                                              I think WyCo is mostly right, but there are still some folks out there who echo that Miller Lite ad "tastes great." But if those folks knew the process by which Lite beers are made they would quickly see that there is no logic at all in saying that a Lite beer can possibly have as much taste as a normal beer.

                                                                          3. pathgeek Feb 18, 2008 12:29 PM

                                                                            This happened to me once. As an avid gardener, with a slug problem at the time, I conducted an experiment with the dregs of some really nice home-brews, specialty brews, and the light-crap I was strapped with. Go figure, the slugs like Miller and Bud (Lite of course) best! We now call it slug-chug. If you're a gardener you're in luck! (I see I'm not the only one mentioning slugs....)

                                                                            If not, the butt-can chickens are good, too.

                                                                            The but-up chicken is always an idea.

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                                                                              Bobfrmia Feb 18, 2008 04:17 PM

                                                                              I never have a problem with this post coming back up, because JessKiddens reply to JCap made me laugh as hard as any post I've ever read here, and it just gets funnier every time I read it.

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