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  <id>464726</id>
  <title>RJ's Kosher Beef Jerky</title>
  <published_at>Thu Nov 29 05:56:05 -0800 2007</published_at>
  <post_count>38</post_count>
  <board>
    <id>28</id>
    <name>Kosher</name>
  </board>
  <posts>
    <post>
      <post>
        <level>0</level>
        <id>3164412</id>
        <content>Is it any good?  </content>
        <published_at>Thu Nov 29 05:56:05 -0800 2007</published_at>
        <parent_id></parent_id>
        <user>
          <id>11825</id>
          <name>hindyg</name>
        </user>
      </post>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>3164459</id>
      <content>BS"D

I believe it's made by Jeff Rohatiner of Jeff's Gourmet Sausage fame.  If so, I'm sure it's wonderful, like his sausages.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Nov 29 06:20:25 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>3164412</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>23013</id>
        <name>ganeden</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>4362011</id>
      <content>Is it really the same folks as Jeff's Gourmet?</content>
      <published_at>Tue Jan 27 09:45:10 -0800 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>3164459</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>111601</id>
        <name>Kosher Carnivore</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>4362090</id>
      <content>BS"D

Now I'm hearing that it's out of Elite Cuisine, not Jeff's.  So my Nov 2007 post could well have been incorrect.</content>
      <published_at>Tue Jan 27 10:03:16 -0800 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>4362011</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>23013</id>
        <name>ganeden</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>3166554</id>
      <content>I bought some regular,spicy and Teriyaki a couple of weeks ago. It was all very good but I liked the teriyaki the best. It was moister. The 3 packs barely lasted a day. I need to order some more.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Nov 29 17:20:08 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>3164412</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>17547</id>
        <name>chuck</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>3179516</id>
      <content>Where can I purchase this product?</content>
      <published_at>Tue Dec 04 14:34:35 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>3164412</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>128387</id>
        <name>TAKEOUTISFORME</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>3179674</id>
      <content>http://www.kosherbeefjerky.net/</content>
      <published_at>Tue Dec 04 15:27:55 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>3179516</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>15019</id>
        <name>jeterfan</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>3180198</id>
      <content>as usual, it's double the price of other premium jerky's
for no other reason than it happens to be kosher *sigh*.</content>
      <published_at>Tue Dec 04 18:41:49 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>3179674</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>85183</id>
        <name>Joe Berger</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>4</level>
      <id>3181551</id>
      <content>BS"D

Well, wadya expect?  The raw material cost is far more (4-5 times) the cost of nonkosher.  Look... compare the cost of retail kosher meat.  I saw beef ribs in Food for Less for $0.88/lb, $6.99 on sale in a kosher butcher.  I saw brisket in Smart &amp; Final for $1.59/lb, $6.99 on sale in a kosher butcher.  Rib Roast $1.99/lb in a nonkosher place on sale, $10.99 on sale at a kosher butcher.  And the markeup at the butcher is not as much as you'd think- I can get wholesale choice-graded brisket for $6.99/lb, only a bit less for ungraded.  A kosher butcher doesn't make money on his meat, he makes it on the other items he sells.  So even tough cuts that will be dried to make jerky will be quite expensive compared to nonkosher.  Double the price for kosher jerky is a bargain.</content>
      <published_at>Wed Dec 05 09:05:33 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>3180198</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>23013</id>
        <name>ganeden</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>3180879</id>
      <content>Thank you!</content>
      <published_at>Wed Dec 05 04:27:15 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>3179674</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>128387</id>
        <name>TAKEOUTISFORME</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>3185640</id>
      <content>I ordered some of the beef jerkys on line, and they went in a flash. My kids LOVED them. Good flavor, good jerky texture, moist. The unusual salmon jerky was very tasty. The turkey jerky was the least flavorful and the driest. They also sell sausages online. Anyone try them? Are they the same as Jeff's Gourmet? </content>
      <published_at>Thu Dec 06 13:20:50 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>3164412</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>140166</id>
        <name>bfarkas</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>4360916</id>
      <content>sausages are not the same as jeff's.
the spicy jerky strips are like the BEST THINGS EVER!!!!</content>
      <published_at>Mon Jan 26 22:13:22 -0800 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>3164412</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>214421</id>
        <name>saraleib</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>4363291</id>
      <content>I buy it all of the time. I like the teriyaki the best. It seems to be a little moister but I like the spicy one too. Ventura Kosher Meat carries it.</content>
      <published_at>Tue Jan 27 14:50:39 -0800 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>4360916</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>17547</id>
        <name>chuck</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>4366272</id>
      <content>Thanks, all, for your comments.
I've often stood at the checkout counter at Elite Cuisine, wondering if the jerky was worth the try but I've never gathered the courage to actually pick one up.
</content>
      <published_at>Wed Jan 28 12:14:45 -0800 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>3164412</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>260502</id>
        <name>Bezgo</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>4370210</id>
      <content>Why would it take "courage" to buy jerky?</content>
      <published_at>Thu Jan 29 13:14:52 -0800 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>4366272</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>159087</id>
        <name>queenscook</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>4372118</id>
      <content>Beef jerky is dried beef.  Think of how much fresh, regular kosher beef costs per pound.  Then remove all the water (the majority of the fresh weight) and imagine how much kosher jerky must cost per pound, even aside from other costs associated with making/processing it.  It's a lot of money to spend if there's a chance the jerky isn't good.</content>
      <published_at>Fri Jan 30 06:08:04 -0800 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>4370210</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>39900</id>
        <name>GilaB</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>4</level>
      <id>4373346</id>
      <content>It's about $8 for about 2.5 ounces - nothing surprising there.  There's no real decision-making inolved.  If you want kosher jerky then buy it, if it's not for you, then don't.  Sinai in Chicago used to make it years ago and they sold it by the pound in their outlet store (maybe $15 a pound, 10+ years ago).  

Your choices today are similarly limited, buy it made, make it yourself (not all that difficult) or don't buy it at all.</content>
      <published_at>Fri Jan 30 12:02:51 -0800 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>4372118</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>202198</id>
        <name>ferret</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>5</level>
      <id>4385062</id>
      <content>"buy it made, make it yourself (not all that difficult) or don't buy it at all."

Doesn't that apply to... anything?</content>
      <published_at>Tue Feb 03 16:31:03 -0800 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>4373346</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>260502</id>
        <name>Bezgo</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>4385162</id>
      <content>If you don't mind a little elbow grease, Alton Brown in the food TV website has a wonderful recipe for beef jerky. That way it comes out cheaper, great taste and you can modify it to match your tastebuds. I made mine about a year ago and it was a big hit! What bother buying it... a foodies site is not only about places to eat... Please do not perpetuate that old joke: "What do Jewish couples like to make for dinner?... Reservations :) "</content>
      <published_at>Tue Feb 03 17:05:47 -0800 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>3164412</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>62974</id>
        <name>mrotmd</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>4425565</id>
      <content>I spotted a few packets at the checkout at Cambridge Farms, alas, they only had the Hickory Smoked jerky. 

I enjoyed it but it was too smokey for the kids. 
It was definitely more expensive than non-kosher high-end jerky, but that's to be expected.
</content>
      <published_at>Tue Feb 17 12:18:13 -0800 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>3164412</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>260502</id>
        <name>Bezgo</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>4955351</id>
      <content>Well I tried a few packets this week and RJ's tasted like dry cardboard to be honest. I guess everyone has different tastes and opinions. The kosher Jerky I really like is in Glatt Mart on Pico they had on clipstrips called Holy Cow kosher jerky. It's more moist and easy to eat, flavors are pretty good. Look out for it. Price wise, it would be nice if they gave some more per bag but it's decent judging by todays kosher meat prices.</content>
      <published_at>Tue Aug 18 06:33:39 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>3164412</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>1102554</id>
        <name>kosherboy</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>4955359</id>
      <content>I second Holy Cow Kosher Jerky - it is available here in the Chicago area at the Jewel on Howard in Evanston - </content>
      <published_at>Tue Aug 18 06:35:49 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>4955351</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>11622</id>
        <name>weinstein5</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>4955536</id>
      <content>Jerky is a tough (no pun intended) product for the kosher market.  It's already expensive as a treif product when you calculate per-pound cost, but the customers are used to it being a snack convenience food.  Most kosher customers balk at the cost but it's unavoidable.  You're not only buying kosher meat, but it's 75-80% less weight than when the processing began, os even at a wholesale cost of $4-5 a pound, it ends up at about $20 a pound, plus the cost of processing, packaging, shipping and some profit.

Years ago Best Kosher made a very good jerky and they sold "seconds" by the pound at their factory store in Chicago for, IIRC, about $10-15 a pound.  Now THAT was a deal.

You can also make a passable jerky from ground beef.  I made it frequently when my kids were young and Kosher jerky was unavailable.  You basically add a spice mixture to ground beef, roll it into thin sheets and then place it on a wire rack in a low (150-degree) oven with the door propped open a bit.  4 hours later (longer for drier strips), peel the sheets off the rack, cut into strips and put it into Ziploc bags in the fridge.  As the ground beef dries (be careful not to bake it, otherwise it's a very thin hamburger) it fuses into a chewy, salty, leathery mass - much like the process for fruit leathers.  Be forewarned, the process, including drying takes 4-6 hours and it's usually gone in half an hour.</content>
      <published_at>Tue Aug 18 07:29:40 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>4955351</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>202198</id>
        <name>ferret</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>4955633</id>
      <content>Yes the Best Kosher Jerky was a great deal - I have also made my own jerky but instead of ground beef I use a cheap chuck roast - something that I can slice across the grain - marinate for 6-8 hours to overnight - when I am ready to slice place it in the freezer for an hour - the slice thinly across the grain and place in 150-180 oven - for about 4-6 hours - very time consuming but worth it - 

La Marais I thin is at $40 per pound for their jerky - </content>
      <published_at>Tue Aug 18 08:03:46 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>4955536</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>11622</id>
        <name>weinstein5</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>4</level>
      <id>4955716</id>
      <content>The "real" jerky is not complicated but I think people will balk at the actual price, i.e. $5/lb meat (if you can even find anything at that price) = $20/lb jerky.  With the cost of ground beef nowadays, it's not really a bargain solution, but it's a cheaper alternative and kids love it.</content>
      <published_at>Tue Aug 18 08:28:34 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>4955633</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>202198</id>
        <name>ferret</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>4</level>
      <id>4956074</id>
      <content>I think Le Marias is $80/lb for the beef jerky. On the menu 1/4 lb is $20 and 1/2 lb is $40. Prime Cut in Brooklyn has beef jerkey too- when we first bought some it was $38/lb and the second time it was $90/lb. </content>
      <published_at>Tue Aug 18 10:15:22 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>4955633</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>217807</id>
        <name>cheesecake17</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>5</level>
      <id>4956214</id>
      <content>Trust me, make it yourself a few times and it will look more reasonably priced.</content>
      <published_at>Tue Aug 18 11:04:53 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>4956074</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>202198</id>
        <name>ferret</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>6</level>
      <id>4956266</id>
      <content>I might.. I just need to find a time to stay home for 6 hrs! How do you roll the beef into sheets? And what type of spice mixture?</content>
      <published_at>Tue Aug 18 11:18:11 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>4956214</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>217807</id>
        <name>cheesecake17</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>7</level>
      <id>4956393</id>
      <content>Literally dozens of recipes online.  Start here, but they all contain salt, garlic or onion powder, a little sugar, and often soy sauce and maybe a few drops of liquid smoke.

http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,1627,154185-243193,00.html

Mix the ingredients well with the meat and let the flavors meld in the fridge.  Then grab a tennis-ball size hunk of meat, place it between two sheets of wax paper and roll it thin (1/8") with a rolling pin (or mayonnaise jar or large can of tomatoes - whatever's handy).  The tricky part is getting the sheet of meat on your rack.  The easiest way is to lift off the top sheet of wax paper and then pick up the bottom sheet with the meat on it and then lay a corner over the rack and peel back the paper as the sheet of meat rests on the tray (or just place the rack on the meat and flip it so the wax paper that was on the bottom is now on top and peel off the paper).

Then pop it into the oven set at about 150, wedge a potholder near the top of the oven door so it stands open 1-2" and walk away (easy to do overnight).  There's no absolute rule as to how long but it needs at least 4 hours and the difference between 4 and 8 hours is less dramatic than you'd think.  When it's done, peel the sheets off the rack (may stick here and there - the longer you dry it, the less it sticks) and cut it into strips (1" to 1.25" wide) with kitchen shears.</content>
      <published_at>Tue Aug 18 11:50:09 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>4956266</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>202198</id>
        <name>ferret</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>8</level>
      <id>4956514</id>
      <content>It just occurred to me that the Pereg spice blends might be good for this purpose, something like their Shawarma or Kebab mixes.</content>
      <published_at>Tue Aug 18 12:19:43 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>4956393</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>202198</id>
        <name>ferret</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>8</level>
      <id>4984204</id>
      <content>I've had great success with Alton Brown's recipe:
http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/beef-jerky-recipe/index.html
He suggests using a box fan and central AC filters to dry it, rather than an oven.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Aug 27 17:18:52 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>4956393</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>258652</id>
        <name>elansey</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>5</level>
      <id>4956785</id>
      <content>it has been a while since I have been - like I said I believe it was 40/lb and they were thinking of raising the price - </content>
      <published_at>Tue Aug 18 13:33:17 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>4956074</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>11622</id>
        <name>weinstein5</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>4957142</id>
      <content>I used to buy RJ's as I have possted twice here but lately it has been dry and tough. I recently started buying Holy Cow and it is much moister. They also have Turkey Jerky.</content>
      <published_at>Tue Aug 18 15:14:12 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>4955351</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>17547</id>
        <name>chuck</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>4966995</id>
      <content>Holy Cow Kosher is now selling their beef jerky by the bag and by the box through their website!

http://www.HolyCowKosher.com/</content>
      <published_at>Fri Aug 21 17:31:33 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>4957142</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>220479</id>
        <name>coppertop</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>4967784</id>
      <content>I got a newsletter from Kosher.com, they're having a online sale on Holy Cow's kosher beef jerky, only $4.99 a packet:  http://www.kosher.com/search/brand?mnf=Holy+Cow+Kosher</content>
      <published_at>Sat Aug 22 06:41:37 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>4957142</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>1102554</id>
        <name>kosherboy</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>4</level>
      <id>4985172</id>
      <content>I picked up my first bag in LA a few weeks back at Pico Deli and I must say, it was pretty darn good. Paid $5.99 a bag there so grab it for $4.99</content>
      <published_at>Fri Aug 28 06:25:30 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>4967784</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>191741</id>
        <name>HungryJew</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>4992370</id>
      <content>BS"D

Yes, Holy Cow (also from Los Angeles) is moister, and easier to chew, but that means you're paying for water, and also limits the shelf life.  For my money, jerky is dry, with a very long shelf life (even when the package is open), and is a food which can be revisited after weeks of sitting around.  In other words, its purpose for me is sustenance rather than as a snack, and I want something that lasts indefinitely, kinda like pemmican, but without the high fat content. </content>
      <published_at>Mon Aug 31 07:54:02 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>4957142</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>23013</id>
        <name>ganeden</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>4991290</id>
      <content>Holy Cow jerky was at Fairway in Paramus so it is probably at the other Fairway markets as well. $6.99 for the bag I think.</content>
      <published_at>Sun Aug 30 18:04:27 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>3164412</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>19523</id>
        <name>mommysmazal</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>4992221</id>
      <content>I saw the Holy Cow jerky in Paperific in Brooklyn.. </content>
      <published_at>Mon Aug 31 07:04:58 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>4991290</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>217807</id>
        <name>cheesecake17</name>
      </user>
    </post>
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