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bongo1480 Nov 26, 2007 08:26 AM

I'm looking for a restaurant to take my girlfriend to on Friday night at around 8ish, somewhat close to the Water Tower, so Gold Coast, Downtown, Streeterville, but am pretty mobile to Wicker Park/Bucktown area as well. I'm looking for a place that's not too loud and not too expensive that has a nice "seasonal" menu with a good wine selection. We're going to North Pond the next night, so something a little different from that is appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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    BRB RE: bongo1480 Nov 26, 2007 05:00 PM

    How about Lula Cafe in Logan Square? It's close to the Blue Line stop and is not too expensive, a little funky (not like North Pond) and they offer seasonal food which is very good.

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      nsxtasy RE: BRB Nov 26, 2007 05:16 PM

      The menu at Lula Cafe is very similar to North Pond, with an emphasis on seasonal and local ingredients. As to cost, entrees are mostly in the mid twenties, which isn't that much less than North Pond, where they're around $30. Lula is good, but it just doesn't strike me as what you're looking for when you way you want something a little different from North Pond. In fact, aside from the exquisite setting of North Pond, I can't think of a place that's *more* like North Pond than Lula. Check out the sample menus on their websites and see for yourself:
      www.northpondrestaurant.com
      www.lulacafe.com

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        BRB RE: nsxtasy Nov 26, 2007 06:16 PM

        I agree that a cursory view of the menus show some similarities in terms of cuisine, although I would argue that Lula takes a much simpler approach to its food than does North Pond -- closer to "comfort" food, yet with an upscale, seasonal approach. But the two places are on opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of decor, scene and atmosphere in general -- Lula is so much more relaxed; North Pond is a little more formal. The servers, patrons -- far different at the two restaurants.

        However, if you have something else in mind that would fit the OP's request, feel free to suggest such a place.

        On another note, West Town Tavern might be another nice spot to check out, although again outside of the geographic scope. The atmosphere is very relaxed and they do a nice job with upscale comfort and "seasonal" food.

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          jesteinf RE: BRB Nov 26, 2007 06:22 PM

          Totally agree. If the OP is looking for a place with a seasonal menu, but a different "vibe" than North Pond, Lula is a really good call.

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            nsxtasy RE: BRB Nov 26, 2007 06:26 PM

            I can think of three other possibilities in that neighborhood, although all are more ethnic rather than seasonal; all with entrees around $20 or less:

            Sayat Nova (Armenian) - www.sayatnovachicago.com
            Le Colonial (French-Vietnamese) - www.lecolonialchicago.com
            Salpicon (Mexican) - www.salpicon.com

            Regarding wine, Salpicon has the best wine list of these; in fact, it's a winner of the Wine Spectator's "Best of Award of Excellence", one of fifteen restaurants in the city to win that award (or higher) for their wine list.

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        jesteinf RE: bongo1480 Nov 26, 2007 06:20 PM

        Bonsoiree might work for you. It's a neat little neighborhood spot at the edge of Bucktown/Wicker Park. Probably about a 10-15 minute cab ride from downtown. I know you're looking for a good wine selection, but it's BYO so maybe you could create your own wine selection.

        You might also want to consider Kevin, which is contemporary with Asian influences. It's a really nice spot that not too many people pay attention to anymore, but the food is still really good. Definitely a conversation friendly room and a pretty nice wine list.

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        Bonsoiree
        2728 W Armitage, Chicago, IL 60647

        Kevin
        9 W Hubbard St, Chicago, IL

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          bongo1480 RE: jesteinf Nov 27, 2007 07:25 AM

          Thanks for those suggestions. Does anyone have an opinion on Bin 36?

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            jesteinf RE: bongo1480 Nov 27, 2007 07:28 AM

            Obviously they have a nice wine selection, but I've never been that impressed with the food (particularly in the main dining room). I prefer the food up front, which is geared a bit more towards snacks and appetizers.

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              nsxtasy RE: jesteinf Nov 27, 2007 07:50 AM

              How about one of our mid-priced* Italian places? I like Vivere a lot; it's in the Loop, part of the Italian Village complex. Pane Caldo is closer to the Water Tower. Both are very good and both are among that group of 15 winners of the "two glass" Wine Spectator award I mentioned. I also like Coco Pazzo (a "one glass" award winner) and Cafe Spiaggia (not a winner - surprising since they share the wine cellar with Spiaggia, one of the top tables in the city). Coco Pazzo Cafe is right off Michigan Avenue and a bit less expensive than its sibling to the west.

              Links:
              Vivere - www.vivere-chicago.com
              Pane Caldo - www.pane-caldo.com
              Coco Pazzo - www.cocopazzochicago.com
              Cafe Spiaggia - www.levyrestaurants.com
              Coco Pazzo Cafe - www.cocopazzocafe.com
              Wine Spectator award winners in Chicago - www.winespectator.com/Wine/Dining/Res...

              *Among finer dining options I consider a restaurant to be "mid-priced" when dinners are commonly in the $75-110 range per person including moderate wine, tax, and tip or, alternatively, when most entrees are priced from the high teens to the mid thirties and high-priced tasting menus are not the norm.

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                jesteinf RE: nsxtasy Nov 27, 2007 08:07 AM

                Pane Caldo is very good, but certainly not "mid-priced". In fact, it's actually pretty expensive. Appetizers are in the mid to high teens (some $20's) and mains are in the mid and high $30's (some $40's).

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                  nsxtasy RE: jesteinf Nov 27, 2007 08:39 AM

                  Adjectives like "mid-priced" and "expensive" can be interpreted subjectively. Among finer dining options I consider a restaurant to be "mid-priced" when dinners are commonly in the $75-110 range per person including moderate wine, tax, and tip or, alternatively, when most entrees are priced from the high teens to the mid thirties and high-priced tasting menus are not the norm. That range includes all the places I mentioned as well as the ones you recommended. I consider a place to be "expensive" if it's above that range (e.g. Spiaggia). The ethnic places I recommended above all have typical entree prices in the $17-20 range. Most mains at Pane Caldo are in the low thirties, prices virtually identical to Kevin, one of your recommendations.

                  I believe all of the restaurant websites for which I included links above show sample menus with prices, with the exception of Pane Caldo, whose menu with prices can be viewed at http://chicago.menupages.com/restaura... As I noted above, Coco Pazzo Cafe tends to be a bit less expensive than the others.

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                    jesteinf RE: nsxtasy Nov 27, 2007 08:44 AM

                    Actually, there are entrees in the 40's. I've been there twice over the last couple of months. The menupages menu is not entirely correct. On the actual restaurant menu there are no "mid-courses". The pastas on the actual menu are presented as full portions (main courses).

                    My issue is not with the recommendation of Pane Caldo, it is with the characerization of it as a mid-priced restaurant. I wouldn't consider Kevin to be mid-priced either. I think they're both good spots.

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                      nsxtasy RE: jesteinf Nov 27, 2007 09:08 AM

                      Well, it's unfortunate when a restaurant doesn't include prices on its own website, and you have to go elsewhere to look up prices (if you haven't been there recently or don't remember how much you paid), and those other sites aren't always as up to date as they should be.

                      I've edited my earlier post to note how I define "mid-priced". Just for you, Josh. ;)

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                jbw RE: jesteinf Nov 27, 2007 08:21 AM

                In agreement here re Bin 36. Excellent for snacking or a light, relatively inexpensive meal, but most of the other restaurants listed on this thread are preferable for full-course dinners.

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                mike_d RE: bongo1480 Nov 27, 2007 09:26 AM

                Like jesteinf, I like the bar at Bin 36 and the appetizers, but see this post for a disappointing time at Bin 36

                http://www.chowhound.com/topics/453778

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                  bongo1480 RE: mike_d Nov 27, 2007 10:32 AM

                  what are people's opinions of vivere?

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                    nsxtasy RE: bongo1480 Nov 27, 2007 10:46 AM

                    I like Vivere a lot. They often have a dish of braised short ribs served over polenta and it's really fabulous. It's not on their regular menu but they usually have it as a special.

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                      bongo1480 RE: bongo1480 Nov 27, 2007 10:47 AM

                      And not to bombard people, but while I'm at it...thoughts on Meritage?

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                        nsxtasy RE: bongo1480 Nov 27, 2007 10:49 AM

                        That's okay, we don't mind being bombarded. :)

                        It's been a few years since I was at Meritage, but I liked it when I was last there. I remember it as being more wine-focused than some places, kind of like a combination of a wine bar and restaurant. Similar in that respect to Bin 36.

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                          BRB RE: bongo1480 Nov 27, 2007 11:26 AM

                          I've always liked Meritage quite a bit. However, they have announced that they will be permanently closing at the end of the year, so if you plan to go, go soon.

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                            wak RE: BRB Nov 27, 2007 05:04 PM

                            What a shame. I've always been quite fond of Meritage. I've been there several times and never had a bad meal, although for whatever reason it doesn't seem to pop up too often on recommendation lists. Lots of competition out there I guess. But I would recommend it.

                            I'd also give a meh recommendation to Bin 36. The idea of Bin 36 always appeals to me more than the actual execution. I like the wine flights but have never really had a good meal there. The best thing I ever had was a macaroni and cheese on the cafe menu a couple years ago that I never saw again. Might be good for drinks before going somewhere else.

                            Otherwise, of the places listed I tend to go to Coco Pazzo frequently (on Kinzie St., not the cafe on St. Claire) and generally have a very good meal. Merlo on Maple is another good Italian option right in the Gold Coast that was not mentioned above. Either one would be a good contrast with North Pond.

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                              bongo1480 RE: wak Nov 28, 2007 07:05 AM

                              It sounds like I should give Meritage a try considering it'll soon be extinct. Although I have to admit, I look at Vivere's menu and my mouth started to water.

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