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miss_mia Nov 25, 2007 03:49 PM

A year ago, it seemed like tri-tip was the big topic around here, and I could *never* find it in my local markets. Now that I've moved, I can finally find it, but my searches here are fruitless! (the search engine returns "try" instead of "tri," so it's frustrating.)

Please advise on your favorite recipes/marinades and best ways of cooking. I had good results one time, but have been less than impressed the last two times, but I'm blundering my way through it.

Many thanks!

  1. chelleyd01 Nov 25, 2007 04:08 PM

    try london broil as a search. I usually either marinate in soy, lime, garlic and grill or make italian beefs in the crock pot. Every once in awhile for kicks I slow cook in the oven with *GASP* campbells cream of mush with roasted garlic mixed with wine...red, white, whatever. Its very forgiving.

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      dhedges53 Nov 25, 2007 04:13 PM

      What you will probably find is the "santa maria tri-tip". Some sort of marinade that I tried once. So called "barbeque" from California. As if. I hate the stuff. What I do is roast the tri-tip at extremely high temperatures to medium rare. Salt, pepper, maybe some garlic, and then let it rest, slice and enjoy. Great flavor, and if sliced against the grain, pretty tender. You'll like it.

      Good luck!

      21 Replies
      1. re: dhedges53
        toodie jane Nov 25, 2007 08:48 PM

        ****for the record,dhedges53,

        Santa Maria Style Barbeque takes its history from the Mission/California Rancho period of history (1700's to late 1800's) when gatherings at the far-flung ranchos meant cooking wholesides of beef over an open fire for dozens of guests. Enclosed smoking boxes did not exist.

        Current day SMSBBQ was developed in the 1920's in Santa Maria, California by members of a local men's club, using WHOLE TOP BLOCKS skewered over iron rods and suspended above a pit of native hardwood oak coals. Seasonings were only salt and pepper. Nowdays onion and garlic salt are sometimes added.

        Tri tip use in SMSBBQ started in Santa Maria as an innovation of a local meat cutter at Williams Brothers Market, probably during the 40's. It has since supplanted top block as the meat of choice because it is smaller, easier to handle, and is a rich and delicious though fatty cut of beef.

        Tri tip needs to be either cooked whole, low and slow in a covered kettle, or fast over a hot bed of coals. It can be cut into "steaks" for faster cooking (sometimes called coulotte steaks in out-of-area restaurants) Tri tip takes well to dry rubs and to wet marinades, but goopy glazes or wet Southern style mop sauces do it no justice. Soy-based garlic and ginger flavored is my favorite wet marinade.

        As with most meats, it should be cut across the grain, slightly on the diagonal.

        AND, If you like tri tip, ask your meat cutter to order some Baja Steaks (cut from the shoulder.) These are much leaner, though smaller, with a richer flavor than even tri tip. Grill in the same manner as tri-tip.

        1. re: toodie jane
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          dhedges53 Nov 26, 2007 03:05 PM

          Here's a typical santa maria marinade recipe that I've seen:

          1 tablespoon olive oil
          1/2 cup finely diced red onion
          1 teaspoon minced garlic
          1/2 cup chicken broth
          1/4 cup ketchup
          1/4 cup steak sauce
          1 tablespoon finely chopped fresh parsley
          1 tablespoon Worcestershire sauce
          1-1/2 teaspoon ground coffee
          1/4 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper

          Of course there are many variations.

          From the viewpoint of a Texas barbeque afficianado, who grew up with a variety of southern barbeque, I like my brisket and ribs rubbed and smoked without ketchup, steak sauce, chicken broth or fresh parsley and, of course, without barbeque sauce, and my steak (which, for me, is exactly what a tri-tip is), grilled and eaten without distorting the wonderful beef flavor the tri-tip imparts, with so-called steak sauce. I've eaten the Santa Maria tri-tip a few times, and once again, for me, sadly I didn't like it. I guess I've grown up with a different view of barbeque and beef from Texas, KC, Memphis, and North Carolina But, I understand that there are a lot of people in California and elswhere who love it. I think I can understand that.

          1. re: dhedges53
            adamclyde Nov 26, 2007 03:47 PM

            traditional santa maria bbq has no ketchum anywhere near it. What you posted may taste great, and might be common in places, but it's no more common or typical to california than anywhere else. You'd probably like it a whole lot more the way it was/is done normally, as it sounds like you like the flavor of tri tip (who wouldn't!).

            tri tip is great. It doesn't need much doctoring up. It's a very flavorful cut of beef. Most important thing is to not treat it like low and slow Q. it's lean and needs to be cooked hot and to just medium rare (or whatever you like for your steak). Then slice it very thin, across the grain on a bias. The flavorful is tremendous.

            It's a grilled piece of meat, not a long slow smoked one. Brisket is amazing too. Just different. Like steak and brisket. Or pork chops and pulled pork. Different cuts, both great when done well, etc.

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              torty Nov 26, 2007 04:53 PM

              When I see it done in parking lots up north on that BBQ grill with the adjustable grate, it looks like it is being done fairly slowy, so I am confused. I agree that the seasoning is minimal in order to just let the beef shine through.

              1. re: torty
                adamclyde Nov 27, 2007 06:09 AM

                sorry... I wasn't clear was I? :) What I meant was that tri tip isn't cooked past well done to extreme tenderness like traditional southern barbecue (brisket/pulled pork). It's not that cut of meat. It's best cooked to medium rare.

                at home, where you don't have really good adjustable grates, I've found it better to sear then move to the cool side to replicate the big adjustable grills. The final product is really similar, I've found.

                1. re: adamclyde
                  chef chicklet Nov 27, 2007 08:04 AM

                  Exactly right, we have tri-tip often. And like you say, the traditional marinade is not made with ketchup. steak sauce or fresh herbs. Anyway,not the traditional. There are some seasonings that are pretty closely held, but the one recipe with vinegar & oil, garlic, cayenne, paprika, onion powder, salt and pepper is the closest to the taste.
                  We make it that way, and sometime spice it up.

                  We found since that cut can be really thick in the large end it's best to spit the meat up, then slice it horizontially for a perfect medium rare. Otherwise you can get a black and blue (really blue). Always cut across the grain, and if done right it's just perfect for a BBQs dinner or sandwiches and later on used in a salad.

            2. re: dhedges53
              toodie jane Nov 28, 2007 07:02 AM

              You can cook a tri tip any way your little heart desires, but....

              There is no marinade for true Santa Maria Style Barbeque. Salt. Pepper. Garlic salt. Direct grilling over Red (Quercus agrifolia) oak coals. Period. No mopping sauce, just a fresh tomato salsa served on the side with beans, green salad and grilled bread.

              a nice video here: http://www.santamaria.com/visit/secti...

              Enjoy!

              1. re: toodie jane
                chef chicklet Nov 28, 2007 07:14 AM

                What about the red wine vinegar and olive oil basting? Which i think might be a spin off, a bit like a carne asada but not marinated?

                1. re: chef chicklet
                  toodie jane Nov 28, 2007 07:48 AM

                  Sorry, but not a tradition with "official" SSBBQ. No basting. The flavors sound like it might be good, though. I love a good garlic/oo/vinegar marinade on sirloin. I dab it dry before grilling, as I don't like the way an oil baste makes the fire flare. Got some baja steak defrosting, I'll try that.

                2. re: toodie jane
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                  dhedges53 Nov 28, 2007 08:14 AM

                  So, it is just a grilled steak. Then I have to say, calling a grilled steak, "Santa Maria Barbeque", barbeque, is a misnomer.

                  1. re: dhedges53
                    toodie jane Nov 28, 2007 07:18 PM

                    dhedges53:

                    Flogging regional BBQ dogma is outside the realm of the op's request.

                    My comments have been made to clarify misperceptions voiced in reponses here about SMSBBQ.

                    1. re: toodie jane
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                      dhedges53 Nov 28, 2007 07:43 PM

                      I'm glad we agree. So-called "Santa Maria" barbeque is simply a grilled steak. That is, if you have "oak briquettes", which are available to anyone. Personally, I love tri-tip, especially the way you have described it.

                      Thanks!!!!!!!

                      1. re: dhedges53
                        adamclyde Nov 28, 2007 07:48 PM

                        except that tri tip isn't steak...

                        1. re: adamclyde
                          danhole Nov 29, 2007 06:47 AM

                          I believe it is an either/or situation, using steak and roast as a description. Look at this:

                          http://www.askthemeatman.com/tri-tip.htm

                          Has cooking tips, also.

                          1. re: adamclyde
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                            dhedges53 Nov 29, 2007 10:50 AM

                            Sure it is. A tri-tip is taken from the bottom of the sirloin. Check this out.

                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tri-tip

                            1. re: dhedges53
                              adamclyde Nov 29, 2007 11:18 AM

                              folks, tri tip is a roast. it can be cut into steaks, yes, but it's a roast. Both links specify that clearly. A roast that can be cut into steaks. but all of that is independent of the manner of cooking.

                              Not that any of the semantics really matter though, as all of us agree it tastes great when done well. I'm hungry now, actually, so I think I'll pick some up today...

                              1. re: adamclyde
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                                dhedges53 Nov 29, 2007 11:29 PM

                                I haven't eaten many sirloin roasts, but I have eaten several sirloin steaks, in my time. It is a 1 to 2 lb. piece of beef (described as a "Santa Maria Tri-Tip steak"), according to the link that I have just posted. If you cut a salmon steak in half, you have 2 salmon steaks cut from one salmon steak, not 2 salmon steaks cut from a salmon roast. If the tri-tip is a "roast", then the 1 1/2" Porterhouse that I ate the other day, which was pretty much the same size as a tri-tip, was a Porterhouse roast. Not to get in a pissing contest over "names", but I call it a steak. You, and anyone else here, are free to call it anything you want. All I know is that it has a beef flavor that is hard to find, anymore.

                                1. re: dhedges53
                                  toodie jane Nov 30, 2007 09:14 AM

                                  I believe the term roast is used because it is referring to the whole tri-tip muscle, not a strip cut from the muscle. A tri tip steak would be what restaurants offer as a "culottle steak"--a strip of tri-tip cut against the grain off the whole roast (or muscle) before cooking.

                                  Interesting to note the linked Wikipedia entry shows the roast improperly cut WITH the grain, instead of across it. This is a good lesson for the OP--the roast should be sliced across the grain--easily done by cutting across the point opposite the longest side. After properly rested, of course, to avoid the puddle of juice on the cutting board.

                                  1. re: toodie jane
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                                    dhedges53 Nov 30, 2007 03:02 PM

                                    Amazing. I don't know what the picture shows, but this is what it says, just below the picture: "After cooking, the meat is sliced across the grain before serving." I remember a cooking show on Saturday Night Live, with Phil Hartman, that reminds me of this message string. Does anyone remember what that show was called? Because it certainly applies here.

                          2. re: dhedges53
                            toodie jane Nov 29, 2007 08:07 AM

                            dh I have attempted only to define for historic purposes that which is called SMSBBQ.

                      2. re: toodie jane
                        I used to know how to cook... Feb 14, 2011 01:33 PM

                        Toodie Jane is absolutely 100% correct!!

                        Just adding on to her post...

                        Gotta be Santa Maria Pinquito beans.

                        San Luis Sourdough doesn't hurt...

                        Lucy

                3. adamclyde Nov 26, 2007 06:52 AM

                  To paraphrase a great LA Times recipe, chop up about 12 cloves of garlic, mix with a good amount of salt and pepper, bind with olive oil and rub all over the tri tip. Let it sit while the grill heats up (around 30 minutes to an hour is all it really needs).

                  Grill it quite hot to get a great sear on both sides. Then move it to the cooler side of the grill until the internal temperature reaches about 130-ish for medium. Depending on how large and thick the tri-tip is, it will only take around 20-30 minutes max.

                  Let it rest for 5-10 minutes, then slice thinly across the grain on a bias.

                  Serve with tortillas and salsa, or with grilled garlic bread and pinto beans. Extremely simple and extremely tasty...

                  1. danhole Nov 26, 2007 10:37 AM

                    Here are some good recipes for Tri-tip that can give you an idea on how to cook it. I oven roast mine to med. rare, slice thin and serve with au jus.

                    http://www.beefitswhatsfordinner.com/...

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                      kevine Nov 27, 2007 02:15 PM

                      The marinades here all sound good. I would advise grilling it, searing each side over direct heat for 5 minutes per side, then moving to indirect heat until 115-120 degrees internal temperature. (Tri-tip really needs to be no more than medium rare at the most to deliver any kind of flavor, it's just the nature of the cut.)
                      Make sure to let it rest for at least 10 minutes after removing it from the heat. And also be sure to slice perpindicular to the grain.
                      Cooked too well-done, not allowing the meat to rest or slicing parallel to the grain will all guarantee a less than spectacular meal.

                      1. Will Owen Nov 27, 2007 05:34 PM

                        My FIL seasons it heavily, then throws it into a blazing-hot grill pan with the range hood sucking at full blast, and proceeds to ignore it except to turn it now and then and poke at it periodically. When he likes how it pokes he turns everything off and calls for someone to carve. It's always delicious.

                        After contemplating just what kind of meat it really is, I got one and braised it. Utterly delicious. Told Pops about it, and I thought he was going to hit me. "You POT-ROASTED TRI-TIP??" he bellowed, and stalked off into the other room. A month or so later I read that the fabled Tafelspitz, the most prized cut of the three used in the classic Viennese boiled beef, is in fact tri-tip...

                        1. MsMaryMc Nov 27, 2007 08:58 PM

                          I hunted all over online for recipes for Santa Maria-style tri tip and the traditional accompaniments. I wound up assembling and combining recipes from several sources for a spice rub, a basting sauce, a salsa and side dish of pinquito beans. This menu has become one of our summertime standards.

                          http://www.casagordita.com/tritip.htm

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                          1. re: MsMaryMc
                            chef chicklet Nov 28, 2007 06:37 AM

                            what is really nice instead of adding the rosemary to the meat, is to tie branches of rosemary together and use it as the basting brush. You will get the rosemary, because some leaves will fall - just a great basting brush anyway. Went to Portugese families BBQ, the older gentlemen who are the ones that man the BBQ pit, did this with the Vino' Dhos (totally spelling that wrong I know) but anyway so we tried it with the Tri tip, since it calls for it in most Santa Maria tri-tip. Best recipe we have tried...

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                            ymushi Nov 28, 2007 07:56 PM

                            Do you have to BBQ ?
                            I have never cooked tri-tip on BBQ.
                            I always roast in the oven.

                            I marinate meat in mixture of red wine, chopped garlic, soy sauce,
                            Worcestershire sauce,cayenne, balsamic vinegar
                            + seafood grill spice mix( salt & other spices mixture).

                            I would leave them is fridge up to 2 days.

                            seafood spice mix sound weired, but It add great flavor.

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                            1. re: ymushi
                              danhole Nov 29, 2007 06:49 AM

                              Actually I have never grilled a tri-tip, myself. Like you, I oven roast! What do you mean by seafood spice mix? Is that like for a crab boil, or something else? (Can you sense I don't eat much seafood ;-) LOL)

                              1. re: danhole
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                                ymushi Nov 29, 2007 06:30 PM

                                seafood grill spice mix (actually 'grill rub' ) from farmer brothers.
                                yes, It is spice mix.
                                name said 'sea food' but actually great with meat.
                                I use it for vinaigrette too.

                                I don't know about other company's stuff.
                                but this one I use is very useful.

                              2. re: ymushi
                                azhotdish Nov 29, 2007 08:48 AM

                                I'm with you on the oven roasting. I usually place in a hotel pan along with shallots and large dice portobello mushrooms to soak up any juice that is released from the meat. Add a few crumbles of gorgonzola when it's done...delicious.

                              3. toodie jane Nov 29, 2007 08:09 AM

                                Here's a teriyaki marinade that is delicious when used with beef. I originally started using it 30 years ago on flank steak. Now I use it occasionally on tri tip, and it is a crowd pleaser:

                                1/2 cup soy sauce
                                vinegar and heated honey to your taste (try for a balance)
                                2 T chopped fresh garlic
                                2 T chopped fresh ginger root
                                2 T chopped green onion

                                Place meat ( We remove the fat cap from tri tip first because we don't like the flavor imparted from flareups)and marinade in a zipper bag, excluding air. Marinate a whole tri tip for several hours to overnight, or 1- 1/2" steaks for 20 minutes.
                                Grill over coals or briquettes till med rare for best flavor.

                                I haven't cooked this in the oven, but I think it would be best done in a very hot--400 to 450 degree--oven. Pat dry before placing in roasting pan and turn once. Cook to about 130 and let sit for 20 min before carving for med rare.

                                Please let us know what your experiences are!

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                                1. re: toodie jane
                                  MidwesternerTT Jul 12, 2013 09:26 AM

                                  This was terrific - cooked in my toaster oven at 425 degrees for 20 minutes. Thanks, six years after your post, since I found it when looking for tri-tip marinades.

                                  For that "to taste" portion of the recipe, I used 2T cider vinegar, 2 T. honey and also added 2 T SHAOHSING wine (Chinese rice cooking wine), and marinated for 2 hours.
                                  .

                                2. toodie jane Nov 29, 2007 09:57 AM

                                  found this while reading the current thread on toaster oven cuisine: http://www.chowhound.com/topics/29817...

                                  1. kramos Nov 30, 2007 03:17 PM

                                    Hey miss_mia,
                                    Cooking tri-tip is easy and delicious marinated and roasted. There are two really great recipes on chow. One marinated in hoisin and ginger http://www.chow.com/recipes/10775 and one in harissa http://www.chow.com/recipes/10774

                                     
                                     
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                                      Lizzyness Oct 31, 2009 01:50 PM

                                      Santa Maria Tri-Tip... As someone who has the misfortune to actually LIVE in Santa Maria, let me tell you... come the weekend all sorts of portable BBQs pop up everywhere selling Tri-Tip.... Guess the Santa Marians take their Tri-Tip seriously. Still trying to figure out what they do so special that they get their own "style" cause since its all quick BBQ-ed its all usually tough. Back home we stuck the thing in a smoker for about 8 hours and it FELL apart.

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                                      1. re: Lizzyness
                                        toodie jane Oct 31, 2009 11:10 PM

                                        Coast Live Oak coals from logs is the ticket for Santa Maria Style. Best cooked at 300 degrees or under. Tender. Juicy. Sublime.

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                                          Will Owen Feb 14, 2011 01:17 PM

                                          Addendum to an ancient posting: when a bunch of us were camping up at Cachuma Lake not far from Santa Maria, I'd gathered some cut-up red oak for firewood and was earnestly stripping off the bark, as one normally does to cut down on the smoldering. One of the more experienced guys hollered at me not to do that. Seems red oak bark is not only excellent firewood, it's the flavor-enhancing "secret" of Santa Maria BBQ (according to my informant). I brought home a large sack of it and found it a good addition to my backyard exercises …

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                                        bin2500 Feb 9, 2011 10:01 PM

                                        You know tri-tip is one of those cuts that you almost have to work at getting it wrong! I have been cooking tri-tip for years, everything from burgundy beef tips to bbq beef sandwiches. Please allow me to offer a recipe I have made dozens of times. I have had folks ask me if they can bring their own tri-tip just so I can cook it (byob)!

                                        4-5 lb tri-tip un-trimmed
                                        4-6 large garlic cloves
                                        2 tablespoons fresh rosemary (leaves only)
                                        1 teaspoon whole fennel seeds
                                        2 teaspoons crushed red pepper
                                        1 teaspoon freshly ground pepper
                                        1/4 cup evoo

                                        Preheat oven to 400 degrees
                                        In a small processor combine the garlic, rosemary, fennel seeds, crushed red pepper, black pepper and olive oil and process till almost a paste. Set aside

                                        Trim the membrane from the fatty side of the tri-tip leaving a little more than about 1/4" of fat. This fat layer keeps the roast from drying out. Score the fat till your knife just reaches the meat. Rub some of the garlic paste on the underside of the roast maybe 1 or 2 tablespoons. Use the remaining paste to coat the top of the roast.
                                        Place the roast in a shallow roasting pan (i use a stainless steel pan with 2" sides and a raised center) fat side up. roast for 45 minute then reduce the temp to 325 continue roasting for about 20 min or until the roast is 145 degrees at the thickest part. Transfer the roast to a cutting board and cover with foil. Let it rest for at least 15 min. ***The resting is extremely important!***
                                        While it is resting I make an au jour from the drippings

                                        Slice thin cross-grain on the bias and serve!

                                        This goes well with many sides but my crowd's favorites are baked beans and fingerling potato salad.

                                        Enjoy

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                                          sparky403 Jul 12, 2013 12:41 PM

                                          oops didn't realize the date of the thread.. sheesh.. edited.

                                           
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