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I bought a fresh pepper in an African store where the owner warned me over and over that it was much, much hotter than a habenero. She couldn't remember the name.

I'm not having much luck with Google. It was about the size and shape of a small Delicious apple, but most were smaller. The color was orange like a habanero. It had a skin about the thickness of a Bell pepper. Small black seeds were inside. Given the source, I would guess they are used in African cooking.

If you colored these orange, they sort of looked like this picture
http://www.momeni-niksiiar.de/images/...

FWIW, I thought it was slightly less hot than a habanero which I bought for comparison.

Anyone know what the name of this pepper might be?

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  1. According to The Whole Chile Pepper Book, Habaneros, which measure between 200,000 and 300,000 Scoville units, are the hottest chiles in the world. I'm not seeing anything in the book other than the habanero that's orange in color. But there is the chiltepin pepper, which is sort of orangey-red and shaped like an apple. It's a relative of the piquin, but much hotter. Still, not as hot as the habanero.

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    1. re: JoanN

      Scotch bonnet perhaps?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch_b...

      1. re: Athena

        According to my sources, Scotch bonnet is the name used for habaneros in the Caribbean and the Bahamas. Habanero is the Spanish name and means "Havana-like." My sources could be wrong, but I tend to trust them more than Wikipedia.

        1. re: JoanN

          No, not a Scotch bonnet. Too small, too thin skined, too wrinkled.

          1. re: JoanN

            I don't know the name but the peppers grow on the island of Marguerita off the coast of Venezuela. They look like a carrot at the size of the end of a sharpened pencil. I can eat one, cut my grass, repaint the house in 45 minutes. The flavor starts off smoky and builds gradually in about 10 minutes. You will feel the unclogging of your aorta as every poison in your system disintegrates. It's very good in soups and stews.

            1. re: JoanN

              Thanks for the clarification Joan, they're Scotch bonnets here in Bermuda, I didn't realise they were same as habaneros.

              1. re: Athena

                They AREN"T the same. They are in the smae family but are 2 different peppers.

                1. re: C. Hamster

                  The both are Chinense species. The Chileman database has 13 entries for 'scotch bonnet' and some 50 for habanero. It describes the Scotch Bonnet (without further adjectives) as: 'Very closely related to the Habanero chile, the Scotch Bonnet (or Bahamian, Bahama Mama, Jamaican Hot or Martinique Pepper) is just about as hot'

                  Describing one chile as the same as or different from another is tricky, given how readily strains hybridize and adapt to local growing conditions. In addition there are variations in local names, as illustrated by this quote.

                  The names suggest that the Scotch Bonnet originates (or at least was first named) on the English speaking islands of the Caribbean, while Habanero on Spanish speaking Cuba.

                  paulj

                  1. re: paulj

                    Actually... the Habanero originated to the Yucatan and spread to the Caribbean about 3,000 years ago when the first pre-Mayan inhabitants of the Yucatan made the 90 mile trip to Western Cuba.... the Scotch Bonnet later changed a little bit in the Eastern & Southern Carribbean.... the English name is somewhat irrelevant as it existed prior to any English speaking inhabitants. As you noted both are cultivars of the misnamed Capsicum Chinense. Similarly the name Habanero is just due to the Spanish (typicallly) sloppy codification.

                    Wikipedia has a decent article on the 4 major species of Chiles (and lists some of their cultivars):

                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...

                    1. re: Eat_Nopal

                      Well, if we are going to trace its origins, shouldn't we go further south to Peru or Bolivia? :)
                      http://www.g6csy.net/chile/var-chi.html
                      "The oldest known specimen ever found was a single intact pod, probably a wild form, that was discovered in the Pre-ceramic levels (6,500 B.C.) in Guitarrero Cave in coastal Peru. Capsicum chinense remains the least understood of the domesticated taxa with respect to center of origin and its probable progenitor."

                      Or Brazil according to this page:
                      http://www.tradewindsfruit.com/orange...

                      But putting aside the debate over point of origin, what is the distinction between habaneros and Scotch bonnets? One tradewindsfruit entry mentions some sort of ridge down the middle of SB.

                      paulj

                      1. re: paulj

                        Here's a page by Dave DeWitt (author of the 'The Chile Pepper Encyclopedia'), discussing the nomenclature of Hananero, including the question of origin (Yucatan v Cuba v S America).
                        http://www.fiery-foods.com/dave/profi...
                        There's the curious claim that there is no Mayan name for this pepper (ref Laborde & Pozo 1982). At least one writer claims the habanero moved from the West Indies (having come from Venezuela) to Yucatan.

                        This species has a wide variety of pod shapes. A crude generalization is that the 'typical' habanero (Yucatan grown) is lantern shaped, while the Scotch Bonnet (Caribbean style) has a characteristic tam or bonnet.

                        More on the Scotch Bonnet with emphasis on its Jamacian roots.
                        http://www.fiery-foods.com/dave2/bonn...

                        paulj

            2. re: Athena

              Same family different variety. I grow them all the time and use them. They are wonderful IN moderation. I use them finely diced or added whole in stews and then removed. They are great flavor. But be careful, even handling them. Both habeneros and bonnets are similar in flavor and heat ... but check out this web page. Tells you all you want to know.

              http://www.thescarms.com/hotstuff/pep...

            3. re: JoanN

              I've seen the Scotch Bonnet (not sure if it IS different than the Habanero) and a Thai Chili (name eludes me now) listed at 400,000 - 500,000 Scoville Units. However, your reference would be the one that I'd head to, so maybe it's my memory that needs a few Scoville Units to recharge it.

              Hunt

              1. re: Bill Hunt

                Interesting. As I said, my book has the habanero at 200,000 to 300,000 and the thai at up to 100,000. I'm sure varieties differ considerably. But however many units, I think we can agree it's *hot.*

                1. re: Bill Hunt

                  According to the Guinness Book of World Records, the hottest pepper is the Bhut Jolokia from India at a little over 1 MILLION scoville units. (putting my pinky at the corner of my mouth a la Dr. Evil for effect)

                  1. re: LabRat

                    There are some hilarious and strange YouTube videos of people eating Bhut Jolokia.

                    1. re: LabRat

                      Actually the Bhut Jolokia passed up the Red Savina on the Scoville scale as recently as 2007.

                      1. re: LabRat

                        Another good wiki. Refers to Guiness testing top contenders:

                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhut_Jol...

                  2. Your description matches the (aji) rocoto, also called Manzano due to its apple shape
                    http://www.thechileman.org/results.ph...
                    Look at the Peruvian example near the bottom of the page. The black seeds are distinctive. Color, shape, size, thick flesh also match.
                    paulj

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                    1. re: paulj

                      I think you've got it, paulj. (Great Web site, by the way. Thanks for the link.) My book shows them as red, but says they can also be orange and yellow with the yellow predominant. And the black seeds are the giveaway. They're hot, but not as hot as habaneros. Evidently, the heat scale has never been tested scientifically, but on a scale of 1 to 10, my book is giving it an 8 or 9.

                      1. re: paulj

                        Thanks. That looks very much like it. Next time I'm in the store I'll drop some of those names and see if the owner recognizes them.

                        She had so freaked me out about the heat that I went into overdrive so I didn't leave a spec of extreme heat lurking ... I've had some unpleasant encounters with habeneros this past year ... that I got rid of the seeds. Since that link says they are pungent, that might be where the extra heat was.

                        Pretty flower on that pepper.

                        1. re: rworange

                          fyi, the rib [the white membrane inside the pepper] can often contain even more heat than the seeds. i think that's where a lot of people trip up...

                          1. re: rworange

                            In addition to Manzano... the Rocoto is also known as Peron in Mexico. Peron roughly translates to Great Pear.

                          2. re: paulj

                            Weather your specific pepper was or was not hotter than a certain habanero is a hard call to make.

                            I will say that the Rocoto that I ate in southern peru was the spiciest darn thing I ever did eat, and I LOVE spicy food and will toss habaneros into everything.

                            DIED from the rocoto

                            1. re: dagoose

                              I find that once it gets above about 100,000 Scoville Units, I cannot tell much difference, as my mouth and nose just do not work anymore. I'd guess that most of this work needs to be done with gas spectrometers, or similar. Once the pain threshold has been exceeded, the measurements are moot to me.

                              Hunt

                              1. re: Bill Hunt

                                My reference book, which hasn't been entirely reliable so far, says that heat scale ratings are determined with high-pressure liquid chromotography. Whatever that means.

                                1. re: JoanN

                                  Nor do I. So long as no lab assistants were injured in the process, I guess that it's OK. [Grin]

                                  Hunt

                                  1. re: Bill Hunt

                                    Scoville's original method was to dilute pepper extract in sugar water which was then given to a panel of (hopefully) volunteers. The dilution at which the heat was no longer detectable was the scoville score for that particular pepper. So yes, lab assistants may have been injured in the process.

                            2. re: paulj

                              Here's a profile for C. pubescens, this Rocoto species

                              http://www.fiery-foods.com/dave/profi...

                              1. re: paulj

                                The chile manzano is among the most popular here in the Pátzcuaro, Michoacán, Mexico area.

                              2. I thought I had read recently of a new high, over a million scoville units, I found this on slashfood.com:
                                "Weighing in at 1,001,304 Scoville heat units, the Bhut Jolokia chili from India has been named the world's hottest pepper by the Guinness Book of World Records."

                                The last comment in the story is from a 13 yr old boy who has tried one.

                                I remember my first trip to LA, when I would go to Barney's Beanery and they always had a pitcher of jalapeno peppers on the tables to promote beer sales. Imagine a pitcher of these. They'd sell a lot of beer.

                                1. I wish I remebered when it was written but, the New York Times Magazine had a lengthy article on the world's peppers, their flavors, their origins and, their heat. I believe there were a few that were hotter than Habaneros but perhaps not commonly available. I've been using the NYT archives a lot recently so I'll try to locate this particular piece.

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                                  1. re: vonwotan

                                    there was a lot of press about this earlier in the year...the hottest pepper in the world is the "bhut jolokia" from india.

                                    it clocks in at over 1 million[!] scoville units.

                                    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20058096/

                                    1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                      Before they discovered the Indian chile pepper, the hottest was from Africa, it was called Red something. It was a half million Scovilles. Maybe that's what you have?

                                      1. re: coll

                                        I think you're thinking of Red Savina. If so, that's actually a variety of habañero bred for extra heat. It is up around half a million Scoville units, but it's not African, it's an American creation.

                                  2. The Bhut Jolokia is now officially the world's hottest chili pepper. A recent development.

                                    I do not think you can find them in the US, but I might be wrong ...

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                                    1. re: C. Hamster

                                      Here's a the chileman data base entry:
                                      http://www.thechileman.org/results.ph...
                                      and competitively hot one from Bangladesh
                                      http://www.thechileman.org/results.ph...

                                      1. re: C. Hamster

                                        A friend of mine from Nagaland brought me a bag of dried ones. Quite good, quite hot.

                                        I do recall seeing somewhere here in the US that sold them, but it looked like they were growing them here. That's not going to have the same heat/flavor profile of ones natively grown over there.

                                        1. re: jgg13

                                          You can buy the seeds here:
                                          http://chilepepperinstitute.org/chile...

                                      2. They all look hot to me!

                                        http://tinyurl.com/388f6t
                                        http://tinyurl.com/32rozr
                                        http://tinyurl.com/34cqk4

                                        1. Scotch bonnets are of the same species as haberno but a different genus, if I am not mistaken...I tend to find them hotter than habernos & I seek them out in particular when making Carribean foods, so I don't think that was one of 'em

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                                          1. re: epicura

                                            It might be my imagination, but I find SBs to be somewhat sweeter & better flavor than Habs.

                                            1. re: jgg13

                                              One of the biggest challenges, IMHO, with peppers is that the heat for any given pepper changes with the season (late season peppers are hotter like late season garlic is stronger / has more bite) and, if you took the same pepper seeds to different regions the tastes would vary to some degree. Not that this would always be a significant difference but it does keep things interesting.

                                              1. re: vonwotan

                                                I would imagine that it is similar to the differences in soil, micro-climate, etc., to wine grapes. Even with the same clones, the wines taste different, most often reflective of their terroir.

                                                Hunt

                                            2. re: epicura

                                              Genus is a broader category than species. I think it is more accurate to say they are different strains or cultivars. The genus is Capsicum. The species is C. chinense. (The OP's rocoto is C. pubescens).

                                            3. I have difficulty handling and cooking with habaneros because they are so strong. I am curious about this thread and learning about anything stronger, in the same way I would be curious about king coral snakes and black mambas- I want to know just enough about them to stay away from them!
                                              The good thing about habaneros is they are so light in weight that an ample quantity costs almost nothing. If someone could breed a habanero filled with helium, the green grocer when he weighed them would have to pay you to take them away.

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                                              1. re: Veggo

                                                Veggo,

                                                I think that this thread has gotten into Black Mamba territory. Pass the Tabasco, and let me shake it onto some Scotch Bonnets, and I'm a happy camper.

                                                Hunt

                                              2. I went to the store yesterday and paulj was correct. It is a Manzano. As far as the heat, it was based on Ethiopian customers telling the owner it was hotter than a hab.Thanks all.

                                                1. Alright. I'm reading alot of nonsense here, so here's the scoop: the Red Savina is the hottest type of Habanero at 577,000 Scoville Units, hotter still is the Naga which is just slightly over 1,000,000 Scoville Units, the Red Mediterranean is twice as hot as the Red Savina, but hottest of them all is the Ring of Fire Chiles which vary in Scoville Units, but some are so hot that they can't be measured in Scoville Units. ~Courtesy of Answerbag.com's Mr. Knowitall.

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                                                  1. re: Mr. Knowitall

                                                    I never got one to fruit but Seeds of Change sells a chile called the Puria that they claim in ripe state to be IMMEASURABLE on the scoville scale (meaning I subbose that the testers were still able to taste it no matter how many dilutions were made)
                                                    Oh and epicuria I'm assuming you meant "different strains" not "different genus". Two thing that are in the same species are in the same genus by definition, genus is larger than species in classification (Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order,Family,Genus,Species)

                                                    1. re: jumpingmonk

                                                      Seeds of Change is also where I found the "ring of fire" chile! That's a great catalog. Scorpion Tails are a wicked pepper also. I love 'em all, as long as they're hot. I'll eat 'em plain, on my burgers, in my food, or make them into a yummy hot sauce.

                                                      1. re: jumpingmonk

                                                        Also, I found the Red Mediterranean in a Shumway's catalog.

                                                      2. re: Mr. Knowitall

                                                        I was wondering when someone would mention nagas. However, I believe that's another name for the bhut.

                                                        *edit* Wikipedia agrees http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naga_Jol...

                                                        1. re: Soop

                                                          Huh. I looked all over the Internet while I researched this stuff, but I never looked at the wikipedia. I think you may be right Soop. However, the Naga is the hottest pepper "on record" by the GBWR, but what about the peppers that aren't on record and are so hot that they can't even be measured in Scoville Units because the Units don't even go that high? The "ring of fire" pepper plant may have peppers on it that are measurable Scoville Units, but some aren't. The range of Scoville Units for the "ring of fire" would be something like 100,000 to 15 or 20 thousand Scoville Units, depending on which pepper you pluck from the plant.

                                                          1. re: Mr. Knowitall

                                                            Check out ghost pepper

                                                            1. re: chuckaukau

                                                              Ghost == Naga == Bhut

                                                            2. re: Mr. Knowitall

                                                              There's no such thing as being so hot for scoville units, considering we know the scoville rating for pure cap (~16million)

                                                              1. re: jgg13

                                                                All of you guys are wrong the pepper that's hotter than the Habanero is the Bhut Jolokia it's the hottest pepper in the world, 3 times hotter than a Habanero

                                                                1. re: FinalFormSoraKH2

                                                                  Alas you are also wrong. The Bhut Jolokia was recently displaced by the Dorset Naga then the Infinity Chilli and the record is now held by the Naga Viper Pepper. The latter being measured at 1.38 million Scoville units.

                                                                  1. re: FinalFormSoraKH2

                                                                    If you had bothered to look at the post of mine directly above the one that you replied to, you would have seen that I was well aware of what a jolokia is. I received my first bag of dried jolokias (straight from a friend in northeastern india) several years ago and have even grown them myself.

                                                                    1. re: jgg13

                                                                      Who exactly are you replying to?

                                                                      1. re: stilldontknow

                                                                        He's reply to FinalFormSoraKH2 who wrote "All of you guys are wrong..." (see the re: notation on the upper right)

                                                                        1. re: stilldontknow

                                                                          You don't see the "re: FinalFormSoraKH2" at the top right of the post?

                                                                          1. re: jgg13

                                                                            I didn't at the time. I do now.

                                                                            1. re: jgg13

                                                                              Everybody is wrong, anyway. Horticulturists from the University of Santa Fe have now engineered the Bhut Morir which, if looked at by the naked human eye, will cause heart palpitations and hair loss. If touched without specially engineered handling material derived from chainmail armor, will penetrate and dissolve human flesh omnidirectionally at a rate of 3 cm per minute for up to 63 hours. Three people have eaten this pepper, none were found 48 hours after ingestion. I'm looking on ebay for seeds.

                                                                              1. re: gordeaux

                                                                                are they grown by inmates at a guatemalan insane asylum?

                                                                                1. re: jgg13

                                                                                  New champ. See below.

                                                                                2. re: gordeaux

                                                                                  Well, I was thinking of hooking up a high-pressure sphere, filled with hydrochloric acid, and then running tubes to my mouth, eyes, ears and nose. I was going to turn up the heat, util the sphere was glowing red, and then hit the valve to the tubes. You have saved me the bother.

                                                                                  Maybe the DOD has also cultivated these peppers. They would be a great defense, if Godzilla ever attacked.

                                                                                  Hunt

                                                                2. Bhut J. and Naga V. are no longer the hotness champs. Australian Butch T. is the new winner according to ....

                                                                  http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/...

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                                                                  1. re: DonShirer

                                                                    My angle is the best PRICE per Scoville unit, and my concept is to breed a habanero that is filled with helium. Green grocers would have to tether them down, and at the point of purchase they would have a negative weight like a luftballon, and grocers would have to pay us to take them away.

                                                                    1. re: Veggo

                                                                      I still think that the hydrochloric acid, heated to about 1000 F, and then squirted on the taster, might be better. At least in their final moments, they would not experience "helium-voice." Gotta' video that, for placement on YouTube.

                                                                      Hunt