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A friend from upstate NY told me that he heard that Wegmans will be opening up a new location in the Boston area. Can anyone confirm this? Thanks.

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  1. That would be amazing! I LOVE wegmans

    However their website shows no plans for it and says they are not at this time expanding to other states http://www.wegmans.com/news/flash/fut...

    1. Nothing at all on their website...I agree with hargau; I spent some of my teens in Ra-cha-cha and would love a Wegmans here.

      1. where in upstate? I went to school there & LOVED the late night runs to Wegmans. We should be so lucky to have one around here.

        1. Mmmmmmm......transcendent Penfield donuts......I used to go to the Wegman's in Penfield (just east of Rochester) whenever I went back there to visit cousins. We'd bring back pounds and pounds of their incredible donuts, as well as.....well nothing else, really.
          :-D

          I will be doing a big-time Papelbon dance if what you say is indeed true.

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          1. re: hiddenboston

            The one in Pittsford is supposed to be amazing these days. I was at the one in Henrietta at marketplace earlier this year and it was pretty spectacular. Really changed alot since my college days. Some day i hope they make it here.

            1. re: hargau

              The Pittsford store is pretty amazing, mega-Wegmans, but it is one stop shopping that runs small specialized stores out of business (like what's happening with small fishmarkets in Boston).

          2. If Wegs came here I would die of happiness.

            1. I can't think of any other chain store (or restaurant for that matter) that people are so impassioned about. The place is just solid, it's a wonder why they haven't expanded more?

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              1. re: heWho

                They did expand some, but chose to go South instead of East.

                My experience with Wegmans was in the Syracuse area. We could be so lucky to have Wegmans in this area. There newer stores have huge produce deparments, a nice bakery, and an in-store food court. As I remember you could get subs as big as a loaf of bread, pizza, sushi, and chinese.

                1. re: steve999

                  I was really happy to discover a Wegman's in State College, Pa.. It's west of campus, right across the street from a Starbuck's. My culinary and coffee needs met for drives to NYC.

                  1. re: brendastarlet

                    I just discovered the S.C. Wegman's while visiting the area. It reminds me of a toned-down, family-run Whole Foods. Great cheese selection too!

                2. re: heWho

                  People are similarly jazzed about Trader Joe's. I like it and shop there regularly, but don't see the big deal.

                  Really everyone, if we have to watch hiddenb do a Papelbon dance, we need to lobby AGAINST Wegmans.

                  1. re: yumyum

                    There is no comparison between Trader Joe's and Wegman's, IMO. I like TJs, but I'm not a huge fan of the place (although some of the TJs in California are pretty amazing places).

                    Ok, no Papelbon, then. Maybe I'll stick to the Urkel Dance instead. =-O

                    1. re: hiddenboston

                      I wasn't comparing TJs and Wegmans ... was comparing the HYPE about the two places.

                      If you get Bostonbob to film the dance and post it on Youtube, I'll buy you a bar pie at the Waterfront.

                      1. re: yumyum

                        Oh, gotcha. Yeah, there was indeed a ton of hype for TJs, but I think the hype for Wegman's would be even crazier if it turns out that they are definitely coming to Boston.

                        BTW, nice try. The Waterfront Cafe doesn't have bar pies! Now the Lynwood is another story--BostonBob would need several memory cards to film the undoubtedly disturbing "Urkel Extravaganza" that would take place at an unnamed spot in Boston.

                        1. re: yumyum

                          Might be obvious....but what's in a bar pie!?

                          1. re: Bob Dobalina

                            A bar pie is a 10-inch (give or take) personal pan pizza usually served in bars. It has a cracker-like crust which is usually crisp (though the Lynwood's is more chewy) and pizza sauce that is typically out of a can. On top are a mix of cheeses, and more often than not, a lot of oil.

                            Some of the best bar pizzas I've had are at Monte's in Lynn, The Alumni Cafe in Quincy, the Lynwood in Randolph, Woody's in Boston, La Hacienda in Somerville, Christo's in Brockton, and Doyle's (yes, Doyle's) in JP. Santarpio's in Eastie is borderline bar pizza, though maybe a bit closer to traditional style.

                            1. re: hiddenboston

                              If you're in Brockton for bar pizza, you might as well go to Cape Cod Cafe rather than Christo's.

                      2. re: yumyum

                        I don't know... people are partial to trader joe's, but when I hear anyone from Upstate NY talk about Wegmen's it's like they're describing a religious experience.

                        My friends from upstate NY who return home to visit will not leave before they take a trip to Wegmen's. I don't know anyone who's that crazy over Trader Joe's

                        1. re: heWho

                          I agree. TJ is no big deal. I drove 7 hours to Rochester this summer and went straight to Wegmans before even hitting the hotel.

                          When i was in college my mom would drive up 7 hours go shopping for me and my roommates there and drive home the next day!

                          Its like imagine the best deli, cheese shop, fish market, produce store, bakery, meat market in the boston area... Now put them all under one roof with all the grocery items you can imagine and lower the prices. Add things like home cooked meals, chinese food, sushi, cooked to order seafood, bulk foods, huge beer dept, etc.... all under 1 roof. They have some photos on their website but its hard to tell too much from them its really like nothing else i know of.

                          1. re: hargau

                            Whoa. A huge beer dept? Can't wait till that's added to the PA Wegmans... different laws around here, I guess.

                    2. I find that hard to imagine, because Wegmans' system is premised on not individually pricing items, which is required by law in Massachusetts.

                      Anyway, were a good-size Wegmans to come here, I would rejoice beyond description. We need them to kick our current options (very much including Whole Foods) in the butt.

                      When I visit my brother in Rochester, visits to the Mother Ship in Pittsford are always in order. That's not to say it's nirvana - my brother has jawboned with Wegmans for sometimes forgetting it needs to be an ordinary supermarket as well what it wants to be distinctive. Part of the reason I love that Wegmans is that I can get things I simply cannot get here in Boston (like weck, and white hots, et cet.) Still, the chains committment to innovation and change is a far cry from anythign we have here - how many supermarkets do you know that have a full size restaurant (called Tastings - and it's good) and cafeteria attached to their main location? There's a reason it usually tops the lists of premier American supermarket chains.

                      And it's home base is not a surprise. Despite the long winters. the vast farm areas between Lakes Ontario and Erie (on both sides of the border) are long famed for being immensely productive food baskets.

                      1. To throw cold water on this, Wegman's is unlikely to move into Eastern Mass, given their current locations and the availability of store sites around Boston. I know this business. If you map supermarket locations around Greater Boston, meaning most of this section of NE, then there are very few "holes" if any not immediately covered and very few available "fresh" sites. Most of those are in NH and north or south of Worcester. They would need to get a closed store location - as Hannaford's has in Waltham - and that has a bunch of difficulties. I don't see why they'd toss into competition with S&S, Shaw's, Market Basket, Hannaford's, Whole Foods, Walmart, etc. given their current distribution network is nowhere near.

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                        1. re: lergnom

                          I dunno about that. In Rochester they would open within a mile of a Tops supermarket and typically the Tops would be closing in a year or two. Really no comparision to what is around now. I really dont think the "competition" around these parts is a worry at all.

                          1. re: hargau

                            Well, S&S is owned by Royal Ahold, Shaw's is owned by Sainsbury, Hannaford's is owned by Delhaize while Wegman's is privately held. Whole Foods is a public company. Around here, only Market Basket and Big Y - which is based in Springfield - are privately owned. Top's was privately held until fairly recently but is now part of Giant, which is also Royal Ahold. When they got absorbed into the body, they closed a bunch of older stores, which might be what you're thinking of. Top's had a bunch of small, older stores. It is normal to attack older locations, especially if the older store is one of those 20,000 sf outdated models that can't be expanded to modern size. The markets around Boston have generally gone through that process already.

                            1. re: lergnom

                              You are forgetting Roche Bros, which is locally owned, and seems to be able to stay in competition with the big chains by offering superior service and a noticeably better food quality.

                              1. re: mwk

                                Yes, I forgot Roche / Sudbury Farms. Like Victory, which also had nice markets with some in good locations and was bought by Hannaford, odds are they'll get bought or absorbed by somebody. That would be the best way for a chain to come into eastern MA. Victory had family issues before their sale, but the days of family run markets are coming to an end.

                                The grocery business is less about service and quality than about location. A market serves a population. They compete of course but mostly at the local level since few people actually drive out of their way significantly to shop. That's the simple truth.

                                One exception to that is WalMart; they do get some business - how much is not known - because their supercenters draw from a larger area and those people then push their carts through the grocery. Another exception are the warehouse clubs. I didn't mention Costco, BJ's, Sam's Club and those are basically big markets with a larger drawing radius.

                                Modern stores do serve customers better but they also help keep competitors at bay and pick up the marginal local customer versus the older local store. It's also a big opportunity to change the profile of what you're selling: more prepared foods, more flowers, more pre-packaged seafood (which believe it or not sells faster because people don't have to ask for help) and other higher margin items. It's kind of like renovating a stadium to add luxury seats; the margins on basic grocery items are low so you renovate or build a modern store and change the product mix to raise your return.

                              2. re: lergnom

                                Shaw's hasn't been owned by Sainsbury's for years: it was bought by Albertson's, a major western-US chain, several years ago. I want to say 2004.

                                1. re: BarmyFotheringayPhipps

                                  Yeah, I mistyped. Albertson's was then sold and broken up, with Supervalu taking Shaw's. Supervalu owns a ton of chains but some of them, like Save-A-Lot, are total garbage . . . very low end, what they call "warehouse" pricing.

                                2. re: lergnom

                                  Actually I just got a message today that Tops was purchased by Morgan Stanley, hired back a former CEO and would be embarking on a huge reinvestment in older stores, new development for stores, and an increase of corporate staff in order to try and focus the company wide mission. I think that with this release Tops is hoping to let people know that they are planning to stand their ground, and ramp up competition with some of these larger locations. Good Luck!!

                              3. re: lergnom

                                5 Wegmans locations are currently in the works, with one proposed to go into the Fenway. My brother worked for Wegmans until this past summer and was keeping me updated on the progress, and then 4 current employees gave me the current run down 2 days ago. Get your Shopppers Club cards out folks... Danny is bring his act to Beantown!

                                1. re: yumyumfoodie

                                  The Fenway? Where is there room in the Fenway for a store that size, plus parking? Unless, they leveled the Landmark Center, I don't get where it could go.

                                  1. re: BarmyFotheringayPhipps

                                    Perhaps they will level the old Star Mkt bldg and rebuild there, using the footprint of the entire lot and having parking underneath??? Probably unlikely but it's the only place I can think of other than the Landmark Center!

                                    1. re: poptart

                                      I'm rooting for the Star Market scenario. The landmark center is awkward, but the building itself should not be leveled., it's an old Sears with art deco-ish style.

                                      Of course they could be constructing an entirely new building as well--there have been a few new condo buildings going up along Boylston St so why not a wegmans too...maybe as the ground floor in a new condo building too.

                                      1. re: poptart

                                        I guess, but even if they did build underground parking -- and you're right, they'd have to in that neighborhood -- they would have to buy and level that gas station on the corner of Boylston and Park Drive, too. That lot's not that big, and Wegman's stores are pretty mammoth.

                                        1. re: BarmyFotheringayPhipps

                                          Hi everyone - first post.

                                          Just confirmed today - after confirming this today, Bill Congdon, GM of the Pittsford Wegmans store (the "mega-store" in the chain) will be the GM of both Norwood and Westwood Wegmans locations.

                                          Having grown up next to and working as a cashier, cart pusher, produce clerk, and deli clerk at the Pittsford Wegmans and several others Wegmans in my college days, I can confirm Bill will bring Wegmans' "A-Game". Consider this entire loving city lucky as hell - we are in for an awesome food experience.

                                          One thought - anyone predict real estate prices in Westwood / Norwood rising? I would think anyone in the know or transplanted WNY people would be flocking to those towns. My wife and I are starting to look for our first home and that's where we are starting...

                                          1. re: taylorlehmann

                                            FYI,

                                            Are you are referring to Westwood and Northborough, MA? Perhaps you are confusing Norwood,MA with Northborough? Norwood is a town adjacent to Westwood. Both towns are about 10 miles southwest of Boston. Northborough is about 30 miles west of Boston. You might be interested to know:

                                            Wegman's first store in Mass. will be in Northborough, MA at a major shopping center just under construction, called the Loop / Shops at 9/20.
                                            Center is at the intersection of routes 9 and 20 (hence the name), on the west side of route 20.
                                            Center includes 350 condos, which will be ready this spring and 625,000 square feet of retail including Kohl's department store. The developers - New England Dev., /Brendon Properties, Wilder Cos. announced at last selectman meeting in Northborough Jan 26, that Wegman's will be one of 3 major anchors. Grand opening for center is Fall 2010, Wegman's will open Feb. 2011.

                                            See: http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/arc....

                                            Also saw it on tv news on KORC Rochester New York on feb 2. Westwood, MA still way off as far as opening date - none has even been announced by the developers. Still many obstacles to overcome. Can't see it happening until late 2012 at earliest.

                                            As far as the real estate market, it's depressed like most of the rest of the country. Had family that lived in Manilus, NY until past year. Newer housing in Manilus would be similar to the size in Westwood except much more expensive. Westwood is one of the more upscale towns demographically in MA, and therefore is still quite expensive. And most of the surrounding towns are still above median price real estate-wise. Being close to Boston makes the real estate more expensive. Re: Northborough, the town itself, and the surrounding towns are also well above median price in MA, but not as high as Westwood would be. Real estate prices are more affordable in some of the surrounding towns.
                                            And the city of Worcester is about 6 to 7 miles to the west, where prices are even better.
                                            Good Luck.

                                    2. re: yumyumfoodie

                                      Red Sox buying up all the real estate around Fenway Park - hope to redevelop big-time. Would not rule out Wegmans being interested. Have you heard anything re: the Loop Lifestyle center (now called the Shops 9@20) under construction in Northborough, MA (30 miles west of Boston). Live in area - spokesperson for the development team (partnership Wilder Cos, Brendon Properties and NE Development) has acknowledged to the town they are negotiating with Wegmans to build a store in the center. Of course we know Wegmans is ready to go into Westwood Station in Canton/Westwood area southwest of Boston. Any other towns/cities - Waltham, MA??

                                  2. Unlikely. A few years back I emailed the folks at Wegmans and begged them to come to MA. They actually responded (which says a ton from the start) and explained that their expansion plans almost exclusively involve going to areas where real-estate is not at a premium. They can build the Pittsford Super-Wegmans (God Bless) because, well, it's in Rochester and real estate is, like, a dollar. The way their supply chain works and everything else about them just wont work up here.

                                    And that makes me cry ever time I walk into one of the crappy supermarkets up in Boston.

                                    Man, I luv me some Wegmans.

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                                    1. re: JBM

                                      I also went to school in Rochester, lived off campus and shopped Wegmas regularly. I would love to see Wegmans around Boston. I have to say that most of our supermarkets are quite disappointing.

                                      1. re: JBM

                                        i agree. If i had the choice of going to ANY market we have in MA or driving up to 15-20 minutes more to go to Wegmans, I would go to Wegmans every time.

                                        1. re: JBM

                                          This thread cracks me up, since as an upstate new yorker, I too find the markets in boston a perennial disappointment that leave me bored and sad, and find it kind of amusing to pine for the supermarkets of upstate NY. (though in the midst of all this wegmans craze, i have to say that even the much-maligned tops is a fair sight better than our local offerings... at least in ithaca, it had much more authentic asian and middle eastern fare, at a much better price)

                                          I read once that upstate New York was some kind of special test market for food products. Maybe that (combined with not much else to do) is what makes it a supermarket wonderland? Or maybe it's just the competition-- the Boston model of ".7 supermarkets for every neighborhood" sort of creates a captive audience...

                                          1. re: another_adam

                                            Maybe I'm just incredibly spoiled by having the Packard's Corner Shaws (the best store in the chain as far as I've seen, and I believe the ONLY 24-hour supermarket inside the Boston city limits) less than five minutes' walk from my house, but I don't see the Boston supermarket situation as being so dire. Believe me, I've seen much, much worse.

                                            1. re: BarmyFotheringayPhipps

                                              I agree, BFP. I'm not sure why everyone is moaning about Boston's supermarkets; while they're not all great, there are good choices out there. Are they all in one spot? No. But there *is* a decent choice.

                                              Would I love a Wegmans? Having only heard about them from friends and reading about the stores on CH, absolutely! But I don't expect them to show up here, as previously stated, because of the competition and the real estate costs. So TJs, WF, and Roche Bros. will have to suffice, and they do just fine by me. I'm lucky to have one of each within a 5 mile radius of where I live, so I still call it "one stop shopping", for the most part.

                                              1. re: LindaWhit

                                                Having never been its hard to understand but trust me that it isnt just about "one stop shopping". I shop at the same stores as you and they dont hold a candle to a wegmans. Dept by Dept they are all inferior. Put the produce dept of pittsford wegmans against any produce dept in massachusetts, Same with the cheese dept, deli,the fish dept, even the beer dept... It just goes on and on. In fact the cheese dept at Marketplace or pittsford wegmans would put to shame most if not all specialty cheese shops we have available.

                                                Id would recommend that anyone who is happy with the markets around these parts, should never go to one of the nice wegman stores. It would just ruin it for you and leave you wishing for something that isnt coming anytime soon.

                                                1. re: hargau

                                                  hargau, from everything I've heard, I know I would *love* a Wegman's! So I'm not disagreeing with any of your points.

                                                  My point was that with what choices we DO have in Massachusetts, it's not all doom and gloom. I used to live in central Pennsylvania - choices were Weis's Supermarket, IGA, and if you wanted to drive, Giant (which quickly went downhill after about a year). Weis's in Lewisburg was much better than the one in Mifflinburg. But nothing like what I really wanted. When I moved to MA, it was like I had died and gone to Supermarket Heaven. Heads and tails above what I had been dealing with. Is it the best? Absolutely not. But WAY better than what I had been dealing with.

                                                  I'm fully aware they (Wegman's) aren't coming here. So while I can't have the best of the best with Wegman's, what I do have in TJs, WF, and Roche Bros. is still very good, and it works for me. It has to.

                                                  1. re: hargau

                                                    "In fact the cheese dept at Marketplace or pittsford wegmans would put to shame most if not all specialty cheese shops we have available."

                                                    Now don't get carried away, Formaggio Kitchen is head and shoulders above the Pittsford Wegmans in this dept, I'd say that many of the local Whole Foods are comparable to that Wegmans for cheese. I don't think the produce was all that much better either, most of the departments might have a half dozen things not typically found in most stores.

                                                    I still think that Wegmans is generally bad for the local chow-environment, they'll take the most popular products from local Asian, Indian, and natural foods markets and pull customers away (just as Whole Foods probably put Fresh Pond Seafood out of business). One of the most amazing parts of the Pittsford Wegmans for me was the housewares/cooking section, a very good selection drawing customers away from the tiny family owned cooking shop just a 1/2 mile down the street.

                                                    1. re: hargau

                                                      Now you're just venturing into hyperbole. There are wonderful supermarkets in the world, it's true, and Wegman's are indeed wonderful. (Although me, I would put a good HEB up against any Wegman's in the chain.) But honestly, much of what's special and different about Wegman's is stuff that means nothing to me: "woo hoo, they have amazing prepared foods!" Um...okay, but...I don't eat prepared foods from supermarkets, because I know how to cook. "They have an amazing produce department!" Fine, but I have Russo's and, in season, a CSA. "Enormous beer department!" I live in Allston. Procuring beer is not difficult. "Kick-ass bakery!" I guarantee they're not better than Clear Flour, less than six blocks from my house. "Cheese!" Russo's. "Deli!" Russo's. "Flowers!" Russo's.

                                                      And as lergnom quite rightly points out, the only possible place they could put a Wegman's around here is, like, down in Stoughton near the IKEA. Which is great if you happen to live in the burbs, but for those of us who live in the city proper, that would be a pretty major expedition. (In our own case, we'd also have to factor in the cost of a Zipcar rental of at least three hours, which would add nearly $27 to the cost of whatever we bought.) It would be cool to have a Wegman's around for those times when we just want a change, but honestly, I'm not feeling the grand yearning for one. It's a very very good supermarket, but...it's still just a supermarket.

                                                      1. re: BarmyFotheringayPhipps

                                                        Barmy

                                                        What you say may all be true, but IMO you're still missing the main point being brought out in this thread. Is Wegmans a supermarket-----yes. But is it just a supermarket-----no. It's much more than just a supermarket, moreso than any other chain I have used (Publix would be my main reference point, and Publix is generally rated among the best store chains in the US (higher than H-E-B in most places I've seen), and I assure you Wegmans is way ahead of Publix).

                                                        Does Wegmans bakery/produce/meat/pastry/cheese/etc. department surpass the best available in the best specialty store in (insert name of your city). Maybe, maybe not. But it very likely does better than any other supermarket and most specialty stores in all of those, and almost certainly is the best single place to shop, taken as a whole. It is also a place where you can pick up all the normal staples of everyday life that one needs from the grocery store. And at very good prices, with a very large selection.

                                                        Is Wegmans relevant to a city dweller without a car, such as you. Probably not---likely no Wegmans will ever appear in a central city area accessible by public transportation; they need maybe 15 acres to put one up, and it can't be too expensive or the economics don't work. But the day may come for you, as it does for most city dwellers, that things change (the main dividing line for most is having kids) and then most find their needs change dramatically. That's when homes with lawns and picket fences, near to good schools, take on a whole new urgency. One won't be living in, or even driving into, the central city much any more, and having a store like Wegmans will be a very nice addition to your life. One might even find one does carry out some days, no matter how well one might cook.

                                                        1. re: johnb

                                                          Okay, now it's just starting to sound cult-like. But the initial question was "Are they going to put a Wegmans in Boston?," and that question has not only been answered in the negative, it's been proven -- by yourself, among others -- that the very concept of Wegmans doesn't work for the Boston market until one starts getting out somewhere past 128, at which point it's no longer a Wegmans in Boston, but a Wegmans somewhere out in eastern Massachusetts (or, more likely, southern New Hampshire or northern Rhode Island), which is a subtle but important distinction. The best supermarket in the world will never be worth a 90-minute drive one way.

                                                          (Incidentally, I wasn't aware that I was 21, single and childless, or that my house lacks a yard and fence and isn't near a good school. Thanks for clearing that up.)

                                                          1. re: BarmyFotheringayPhipps

                                                            The original question was whether they were opening a store in the Boston AREA. I believe that would include all the places you mentioned. I used to live in DC. Wegmans has several actual and planned stores in the DC area, but none in DC. Some are a 90 minute drive or more from the Capitol depending on traffic, but they're still in the DC area. All of them are well beyond the Beltway (DC's 128 if there is anyone left who doesn't know). But they're still in the DC area.

                                                            I don't know anything about your life situation and said nothing that supposed I did, except that you said you don't own a car and live central city which does narrow it down somewhat. My comments were directed to the needs and desires of folks in general, not you specifically, and I think that was clear from my choice of words. To rephrase, if you live central city and don't have a car, big (125,000+ sq ft) modern supermarkets of any brand are not likely in your frame of reference. We all understand that. But if that describes you, then you are somewhat in the minority. Again an example; DC has 600,000 population give or take, and of that maybe 1/3 is truly central. But the DC metro area has about 6 million. So the central types are outnumbered by the burbians 10:1 or 30:1 depending on how you do the numbers. And a store like Wegmans is very relevant to the needs of that broad range of folks, even some who post here on Chowhound.

                                                            1. re: johnb

                                                              I hadn't realized that you weren't based in Boston when I started this part of the conversation, johnb, so I apologize for the miscommunication. But, to paraphrase the title of a popular local compilation album from the hardcore punk days, this is Boston, not DC. You keep using the phrase "city center," but that doesn't really apply here: the Boston metro area is not a central city surrounded by a steadily expanding ring of suburbs, but a bunch of different small cities jammed into a really tight space. A different set of standards applies here.

                                                              All I'm saying is that the 125,000 square foot hypermarket with "everything under one roof" is a physical impossibility not only for me in Boston, but for folks in Cambridge, Somerville, Watertown, Newton, Waltham, Brookline, Quincy, Revere, Arlington, Lynn, Peabody and a lot of other politically and economically separate cities you may not have heard of: there simply is not room for one here! To give you some idea of how tightly packed things are here, the nearest Wal-Mart Supercenter -- Wegmans' white trash cousin, in terms of store size -- is in Salem, New Hampshire. No one who actually lives up here considers Salem, New Hampshire "the Boston area." Lergnom, whose knowledge of the supermarket industry and attendant zoning, traffic and other restrictions is frankly astounding (not to mention fascinating for me personally, as the son of a district manager for a chain of big-box retail stores back in my native Texas), has made this argument much more thoroughly than I can.

                                                              No one is arguing that Wegmans doesn't rock. What we're saying is that their stores are a physical and logistical impossibility in the Boston area. If they managed to open one up in Salem, New Hampshire, I'd be sure to go do the occasional pleasure shop there. Until then, I think I can manage with the 70,000 square foot, 24-hour full-service supermarket that's less than five minutes' walk from my front door.

                                                              1. re: BarmyFotheringayPhipps

                                                                We don't, and never did, disagree about Wegmans likelihood of opening in Boston. It ain't gonna happen. But by the same token Boston isn't as different from other places as you might think. DC is actually physically similar to your description of the Boston area--it consists of many municipalities, towns, population concentrations, etc, all around central DC (indeed, in the big economic picture DC itself doesn't amount to much). But there are few new big stores of any kind close in, for the same reasons you cite. The closest-in Wegmans is 25 miles from center DC--contrast this with your comment about Salem NH, which in fact is only 32 miles from central Boston, and a straight shot up I-93 at that. Wegmans first store in the DC area is in Sterling Va, also about 32 miles from DC. Nobody would say Sterling is not part of the DC area. It certainly is.

                                                                I'm not sure the logistics and physical problems are the real reason big box stores aren't so common where you are compared to other places. There is certainly available real estate further out there that could pull from a wide population base as happens elsewhere. I suspect one of the important reasons is, as suggested by several others in this thread, is the union situation. Another might be more attitude and politics than real estate---take this FWIW, but New England strikes many of us viewing from elsewhere as just more NIMBY oriented than other places. Why? Maybe because it's been there longer and as such has gotten more ossified in its attitude to new things. The political fight needed to get anything done is much more intense. This is not a criticism--if that's how you all want things to be, that's great. It's your town. All I'm saying is the bottleneck is not simply the hard issue of whether appropriate real estate is physically available, but also the soft issue of the local process needed to develop it.

                                                                1. re: johnb

                                                                  There is a bit of NIMBYism in Boston-area development -- lergnom mentioned a years-long battle over a dead mall in Somerville that still hasn't been sorted -- but it mostly has to do not with anti-retail snootiness or bias, but with real and pressing issues about traffic and congestion. The Boston metro area is about one-third again more dense than DC (over 12,000 people per square mile as opposed to around 9000) and the combination of that density and the poor condition and haphazard layout of our streets and highways makes it much more of a pain to travel even relatively short distances such as the 34 miles to Salem, New Hampshire. For example, in theory, it should be a breeze for me to get to Salem: I live less than half a mile from the Allston-Brighton exits on and off the Masspike (I-90), which connects directly to I-93 underground beneath downtown. I can tell you from personal experience that it takes over an hour to get from Allston to Salem, and that's assuming you're not going during rush hour.

                                                                  You have to understand that (unlike my wife, who posts here as Allstonian) I myself am not a native Bostonian: I've only lived here about five and a half years, and I came here from a succession of cities in Texas, Colorado and New Mexico, where density is absurdly low and a car is a necessity. Believe me, I know all about the concept of traveling long distances for shopping: heck, in the city I moved here from, Albuquerque, I did the majority of my grocery shopping at a store that was in Rio Rancho, over 20 miles from my apartment near the UNM campus. All that I'm saying is that there is much less of that kind of long-distance travel for shopping in the Boston metro area than there is in most cities, because the logistical hassles make it much more of a pain than it is the standard city-center-surrounded-by-suburbs cities I grew up in.

                                                                  It's not NIMBYism. It's not the union situation. It's just that the majority of people who live inside 128 (which includes a lot of SUV-oriented suburban enclaves) cannot be bothered to drive out to Salem, New Hampshire once a week to do their grocery shopping, even if it was at a superior store. In the local imagination, that is much more of a trek than it is in other cities I've lived in. That's not to say that Boston is better or worse than other places in the country, just that it's different. Even those of us who live in houses with yards and have cars (or, like us, who belong to a car-share program because it gives us 24-hour access to cars right in the neighborhood without having to pay for gas, insurance, maintenance and car payments) don't have the inclination for destination shopping that we might have if we lived in other parts of the country.

                                                                  1. re: BarmyFotheringayPhipps

                                                                    Well, I think we've carried this discussion on long enough. I'll close with the following two observations: (1) NIMBY's everywhere, not just Boston, always cite the "real and pressing concerns" of traffic and congestion as their concerns. Nothing unique to Boston there. And (2), as far as real congestion goes, DC in recent years has been close to LA as having the worst traffic congestion in the US, and definitely way worse than Beantown. Again, I just don't think the physical, measurable features of Boston make is as unique as you folks up there think they do. The difference is elsewhere. As you yourself said, perspicaciously I think, it's in the local imagination.

                                                                    Here's a link that doesn't even put Boston in the top ten for traffic problems:

                                                                    http://www.forbes.com/2006/02/06/wors...

                                                                    1. re: johnb

                                                                      All I'm saying is that for someone who doesn't live here, you sure seem to know better than those of us who do what the issues facing the area are. Charming. Very, very charming.

                                                                      1. re: BarmyFotheringayPhipps

                                                                        Well, I make no such claim. Confession--I have been in the transportation research business most of my life, and have thought about these issues a lot. But anybody can marshal the facts and figures. It's not rocket science.

                                                                      2. re: johnb

                                                                        Im sure if wegmans wanted to come to MA they could find space/land. Maybe not downtown but in the suburbs. If Walmarts, Home depots, Lowes, target's can keep popping up then so can they. Couple spots i can think of right near me.. Marlboro near solomon pond mall, stuff keeps popping up there like crazy, plenty of space. Convenient to many right off rt 290. Leominster they have been building a new shopping area with a Target, best buy, dicks, etc.. Easily could have one there. Right off rt2. Id drive the extra 10 minutes to go there over Roche Bros where i currently go. Im sure space can be found in lowell, Even rt9 in the shrewsbury/westboro areas there seems to be space. Nashua could easily have one as well. They are just wrapping up the construction of a huge new lowes up there too.

                                                                        These suburbs are great spots for a store like this since out here we dont have the options of lots of quality specialty stores near by and just like driving out of boston to places is a pain, driving into boston to places is even worse

                                              2. Oh my gosh that would be awesome. Ever since a visit to New Jersey I always leave Shaws or a grocery store of that nature and wish they would buil a Wegmens nearby, but alas I checked the link and the website says nothing of a new Boston location. I guess theres always Stew Lenards in CT though!

                                                1. Not to rub it in further, but some of the Weg's around here have second-floor dining areas, overlooking the ready-to-eat counters, the fancy bakery and the huge produce section. They needed to expand and had nowhere to go but up.

                                                  Ours has live jazz on Friday evenings.

                                                  All over upstate NY, you hear foodies say, not "I'm going to the grocery store" or "I'm going grocery shopping", but "I'm going to Wegman's".

                                                  But in our foodie household, ever since they finished the upgrade of our neighborhood store, we call it "going to Disneyland".

                                                  1. I'm working in Billerica now and wondering if Roche Bros is worth the trip down to Burlington? Is it significantly better than S&S, Shaws, DeMoulas or Hannafords, all of which are available closer to my house?

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                                                    1. re: whs

                                                      They have better fish but otherwise the markets are not significantly better. Some Hannaford stores can be nice as well but they inherited many Victory locations and those vary in quality and size.

                                                      1. re: whs

                                                        I went there after reading about the new Roche Bros in Wellesley, which sounds like a Wegmans' type supermarket. I think this Burlington one is remodeled because I went once and wasn't so impressed. It's nice, and if I'm in the area I'd go. I'd make a special trip to see the newer Wellesley one.

                                                      2. Wegmans invaded the metro DC market a few years ago and has taken over Northern Virginia (richest suburban area in the nation) despite having only 2 stores that are a drive beyond the Beltway. One in north suburbs of Baltimore is crazy busy and anchors a mall. Several more are planned for Maryland and they are also doing more in Pennsylvania around Harrisburg and Lancaster. Now, this has stretched their supply lines a little, as they leaped from NE Pa and northern NJ all the way to Virginia before plotting some fill-in places. Their base in upstate NY is a shrinking market and they saw that our regular supermarkets here in Baltimore/Washington were getting tired and outmoded-- larger, but not better. I routinely describe Wegmans as the best supermarkets I've ever seen and will drive more than an hour to shop there. Their closest competition here are the Korean-owned groceries, Balducci's, and the larger and newer Whole Foods locations. Giant, Safeway, Shoppers Food-- the local outposts of the same Ahold/Delhaize/etc chains--are only popular with time-pressed parents and people stuck in their ways. We don't have Wal-Mart supermarkets here, we barely have Wal-Marts. Wegmans isn't big enough to march into Boston at the same time they're doing Washington, but the distribution deal isn't going to stop them if and when they look at the map and see an opportunity. I suspect they might try around Stamford, Ct. first, though--- the demographics are the draw. They can clean Stew Leonard's clock if you ask me.

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                                                        1. re: jkosnett

                                                          I'm glad you like Wegman's so much that you'll drive an hour. Not many people will.

                                                          I'd have to look up the market shares but while I'm sure Wegman's is doing well, they likely don't have a disproportionate share of the market for their number of stores.

                                                          Expansion in N. Virginia is much simpler than Boston because N.Va is a growth market in which semi-rural areas are becoming suburban and urban. The area around Boston has many undeveloped parts but they are all in towns that are 200+ years old with restrictive zoning and very little land available for development of large commercial buildings or shopping centers. If you look at the pattern of new supermarkets around Boston, you see that most are converts / tear downs of failed discount department stores chains like Bradlee's and Ames. Most of the new supermarkets are going up in southern New Hampshire and southern Maine.

                                                          1. re: lergnom

                                                            Wegman's opened a new store in a VERY competitive (grocery/gourmet) suburb in South Jersey and has become incredibly successful. They had absolutely no brand recognition. Wegman's would do very well here in the western suburbs despite (and perhaps because of) a bunch of Whole Foods and a TJ's. History tells me you should call your banker if they open here as you'll think your Whole Foods tab is a bargain...and not because of the prices as much as the huge variety of VERY appealing everything.

                                                            1. re: pondrat

                                                              Just to make my point clear, I have no doubt that if Wegmans came to the Boston area, they'd do fine. My point is not that Wegmans isn't good but that conditions in this region are not the best for them.

                                                              Odds are, I've been in more Wegmans than anyone. Then again, I've been in more Schnuck's, more H-E-B's, more Meijer's, etc. than most people. Over 20 years doing that.

                                                              If you go around looking at supermarkets, most chains are nothing much, from Winn-Dixie to Dominick's to Kroger. Boston is nothing special either way, though because it is a largely built out market with marginal growth potential it has had probably a larger percentage of older and smaller stores, plus somewhat more conservative store design and operations. The turnover in chain ownership - including I suppose the courtroom drama around Market Basket - has definitely led to some odd decisions in renovating old stores.

                                                              While Wegmans was early in the prepared foods business, you can go into many Publix, for example, and find similar, though smaller food courts - where they'll cook your seafood to order, make your suburban Chinese noodles, etc. Wegmans does that better but you just don't see this kind of operation here. One reason, to be blunt, is union cost. Another is permitting; very few towns will allow a market to open with such a scale of restaurant style cooking because they have a constituency in their town for local restaurant owners.

                                                              Wegmans likes to build huge stores - which is one reason they can do prepared food better. Their stores are something like 125,000 sf with new ones over 150,000 sf, the size of a department store and as much as 3 times the size of a Boston area Super Stop & Shop. Those behemoths include restaurants with 250-400 seats. Can you imagine finding a site and getting that thing permitted? It would be almost like trying to locate an Ikea and everyone in NE should be aware of how hard that's been. You need a big box location, not just a market site (which could hold somewhere from a 30k to 60k sf store). If you can't find an old Kmart or Bradlees that would work, then it's much, much easier to go where the new growth is and where the permitting is easier.

                                                              An issue I haven't touched on is unions. Wegmans is always on the list of best employers but they avoid many supermarket unions. MA is a union-oriented state and Wegmans has faced protests from unions. Put that in the permitting context and you get union members speaking up at the Selectmen's meeting and small business owners worried about their restaurants and every NIMBY worried about traffic. Again, my point is not that Wegmans isn't very good but that eastern MA and this section of NE generally is not their best spot.

                                                              1. re: lergnom

                                                                "Again, my point is not that Wegmans isn't very good but that eastern MA and this section of NE generally is not their best spot."
                                                                ~~~~~~~~~~

                                                                Our HUGE loss, unfortunately.

                                                                1. re: lergnom

                                                                  You're right about the NIMBYs. That's why in Montgomery County, Md., we don't have Wegmans on the horizon, or an Ikea, or much else that's new and large. Prince Georges and Howard counties are next in line. Then again, here in Montgomery we haven't even had any decent new roads built in years, while the rest of suburban Maryland has 100 and 108 and 97 and 32 and on and on...it's our loss.

                                                          2. Stop teasing me, that's just cruel...if that were true I'd be the happiest girl in the world.

                                                            1. Can someone explain what Wegman's is / what makes it different from "regular" grocery stores? I'm totally in the dark.

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                                                              1. re: fbf242

                                                                To try to answer your question about why Wegmans are so much better than other stores, these would be my personal observations:

                                                                Bigger cleaner stores, and in this case big means filled with lots of stuff you don't find elsewhere, at least under one roof. Wegmans combines a normal grocery store, gourmet store, and prepared food store under one roof.

                                                                Excellent prepared foods sections, both ready to eat (which you can do on premises) and ready to cook at home. A typical new Wegmans employs maybe 50-100 staff just in preparing foods. This includes sushi made in the store, Asian hot food bar, pizza, coffee bar, full meal section (15.95 rib-eye dinner), etc etc.

                                                                Excellent and huge variety of produce, including local.

                                                                Excellent meat, including their own dry-aging in many stores. Also seafood.

                                                                Bakery, pastry, deli, candy, bulk coffee, bulk tea (many hard-to-find types) all excellent with huge selection.

                                                                Where legal, a very good wine shop.

                                                                And their store brands of staples of all types are pretty good. Sometimes they are the best you can find. For example, we preferred their kettle fried chips and soft drinks to national brands.

                                                                1. re: johnb

                                                                  When you run a 300 seat restaurant, you need 50-100 people. My point: it's not that Wegmans staffs more but that they run a different operation, one that's more like a hypermarket than a standard super-grocery. They draw from a larger area - like any big box retailer they should draw on a 10-20 mile radius depending on density. That draw, btw, does not radically affect local trips for basic groceries, which every study shows are bought because of location, sales, travel patterns and a few other factors. Wegmans draws from farther but they don't suck up all their local traffic.

                                                                  As I keep saying, this is why permitting such a store would be nearly impossible in eastern MA: you'd be bringing in a large liquor store, a large restaurant, a large bakery, etc. into the locally run and owned places. Imagine that happening in a town like Hudson, which has a WalMart on its edge so it's not truly an anti-development town, with all the small store owners complaining like mad.

                                                                  I don't know the trip generation figures for a supermarket this size, but markets generally are credited in the ITE (traffic engineer) manuals as having among the highest, with a significant number at peak traffic times. Not many towns would go for that. IKEA in Stoughton was an ideal case; it's right off a highway, in a specialty retail development that includes Home Depot, Costco and a giant Jordan's Furniture, and it's on the very edge of two towns, so neither town is crushed by traffic flowing through its main streets. Not many locations like that.

                                                                  The best chance would be as part of one of the mega-developments that have become economically possible, like the multi-billion dollar development at 128 in Westwood. Those numbers are already so huge that a large drawing market would fit - though S&S and Shaw's would kick up a huge fuss with the developer. Patriot Place at Gillette Stadium has a 140,000 Bass Pro Shops so something odd like that might work. In a standard retail development, almost no chance at all.

                                                                  BTW, all the info about their expansion is on their website. They're tied up for a number of years, given their capital and manpower constraints (which include bringing current staff into new stores).

                                                                  1. re: johnb

                                                                    It's also heads above the competition for their service; everyone from cashiers on up is helpful and friendly, and I don't mean all that fake friendly chatter like Trader Joes' staff are trained to do. I've only had one experience in 30+ years, of bad service, when a clerk in the kitchenware section was unpleasant. Sometimes the cashiers and baggers around here look like they want to stab me with their nailfiles, or are just sullen. Ask any Wegmans' staffperson on the floor a question and they run to get you the answer. Supervisors aren't like the cranky floor people in my Stop and Shop, they look sharp, look you in the eye, seem to like their jobs. The place is well staffed. Think of CVS in Harvard Square with a captive clientele, no competition, and they never have enough registers open at lunchtime.

                                                                    Other things I like about Wegmans: browsing the prepared foods even though I rarely buy; the quality of meat, fish, fresh bread, cheese and produce; the kitchenware and seasonal sections; the books and magazines although I don't like that they are separated now, in the Pittsford NY store; even the health/natural foods section which is smaller than at Whole Foods, is fun to shop. Whole Foods also has more organic produce, I think.

                                                                    What I don't like is that they carry so few brand names compared to the variety of grocery stores I go to in the Boston area. I notice it with canned goods, boxed pasta, laundry and dish supplies, etc. I agree with johnb that the store brand can be very good but if I lived near Wegmans again I would hit other stores occasionally for alternate brand names. But I"m a grocery store junky, so who cares?

                                                                    I like going to my home town and out to Wegmans and running into people I haven't seen in years (or a sibling I hadn't called yet). Nobody believes me when I tell them I love this grocery store more than any cafe, for socializing! Although I've never been interested in spending $$ in the fancy restaurant, it feels like it's just part of the grocery store.

                                                                    I can't believe they would build in this Westwood Station if they have to have item pricing.

                                                                  2. re: fbf242

                                                                    This is coming from a city boy who tends to hate everything suburban - I love Wegmans. Their bakery, patisserie, cheese shop and seafood departments rival what you can find in big-city specialty shops. I grew up in NYC and would have to stock up on certain items when I went back to visit because I couldn't find those things here in small-town Pennsylvania. Not anymore.

                                                                  3. I emailed them. Sorry, guys, here's the response. If someone wants to send them this link, it would add more voices.

                                                                    Comments@Wegmans.com to me

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                                                                    We received your e-mail asking that we build a Wegmans store in the Boston area. Thank you! We take that as a compliment and will share your request with our long range planning committee.

                                                                    You may be surprised to learn that we open just two or three new stores a year. That gives us plenty of time to invest in training our people.

                                                                    What follows is a list of planned stores, which for the most part, do not as yet have defined construction schedules.

                                                                    Confirmed Opening Dates:
                                                                    Woodbridge, VA, Summer 2008

                                                                    Opening Dates Yet to Be Determined:
                                                                    Malvern, PA
                                                                    Leesburg, VA
                                                                    Lake Manassas, VA
                                                                    Frederick, MD
                                                                    Crofton, MD
                                                                    Landover, MD
                                                                    Columbia, MD
                                                                    Fredericksburg, VA
                                                                    Collegeville, PA

                                                                    Project On Hold for Future Consideration:
                                                                    Turnersville, NJ

                                                                    Thank you, again, for taking the time to share your request.

                                                                    Kim
                                                                    Wegmans Consumer Affairs Department

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                                                                    1. re: bear

                                                                      Notice all of the new stores are nowhere near Rochester? Rochester, where Wegman's started, is the king of NIMBYs. Rochester completely shut down Wegman's attempt to build on Elmwood Ave. near the old RPC site. Significantly downsized their plans for the East Ave. store. Even Henrietta made them scale back on the new store on Calkins Road. Rochester and Monroe County continually try to break one off in Wegman's a@$ while other areas would give their eye teeth just to get Wegman's in the area. Nobody, but NOBODY beats New York and Rochester at driving people and business out of state.

                                                                    2. Will someone wake me up and let me know when Wegman's opens on the North Shore...?
                                                                      I don't want to miss anything.

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                                                                      1. re: Gio

                                                                        Why Wegman's is special: I was passing through State College this weekend, and saw that their Wegman's had a cafe. It's not just a cafe, it has everything from an Asian food bar to pizza to salads to freshly made pasta as well as a coffee bar and a million desserts. I had a "small" pasta made to order with chicken, spinach, mushrooms and tomato sauce. Easily as good as anything I make at home, and it was $4.99.

                                                                      2. Everyone should look at the Canton/Westwood area around the Amtrak station. Wegmans has petitioned the board for a liquor license and they are working with area developers and planning boards. Wegmans IS coming. Not sure when, but in the next 3 years.

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                                                                        1. re: Coke Speak

                                                                          April Fool's Joke???

                                                                          1. re: Ralphie_in_Boston

                                                                            No, there have been stories about this in the Globe. That enormous shopping plaza they're building out in Canton, Westwood Station, is supposedly going to be anchored by a Wegman's, but the company is demanding a beer and wine license, which no supermarket in that area has. (Canton was dry or close to it until only a few years ago!) There's a town meeting vote scheduled for May 5.

                                                                            There'll be an IKEA at Assembly Square first.

                                                                            1. re: BarmyFotheringayPhipps

                                                                              Wegmans demanded the same thing in Erie, PA 15 years ago when they built their first store there. Guess What. They received the license last month. Wegmans typically puts demands on projects wherever they build.

                                                                              1. re: Coke Speak

                                                                                Wegmans in Baltimore does not sell any type of bee/wine/liquor!

                                                                              2. re: BarmyFotheringayPhipps

                                                                                And when I first saw this thread yesterday I emailed Wegmans and they confirmed the discussions mentioned by Coke Speak and Barmy. Fingers crossed:

                                                                                Hi!

                                                                                We are evaluating a site in Westwood Station, Massachusetts. We have not committed to the site, but it is under consideration.

                                                                                Thanks for taking the time to contact Wegmans.

                                                                                Kim
                                                                                Wegmans Consumer Affairs Department

                                                                          2. they found a site in westwood, ma...no concrete answer if they are going to open one up there though.

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                                                                            1. re: dinatale023

                                                                              I am a Weggies employee. Apparently there are a couple of OLD laws in Mass that the Wegman family are watching very closely. There is a law that states that ALL items must have a price tag on them(do they still make those price guns??) Oh, and apparently you cannot sell beer in a grocery store in Mass.. If either one of these legislation pieces fails to change, the Wegman family will pull the plug on Boston. So get on the phone with your State Legislator if you want Wegmans there. I heard that there is a Purchase Agreement in place with the passing of these items as a contingency. They are looking at 4 other sites around Boston as well with their sites on R.I. in the future.

                                                                              1. re: rochesterbaby

                                                                                A store in RI would be great, but you can't sell beer in a grocery store here either (and I would be SHOCKED if they ever changed it. We only got liquor stores open on Sundays a couple of years ago).

                                                                                I'm confused as to why that would be a coningency, though. I know there are Wegmans in NJ and they can't sell beer or wine in their grocery stores either.

                                                                                1. re: rochesterbaby

                                                                                  The law about the price tags on every item exists, but is not enforced. Anytime I go to ANY grocery store in MA, I see plenty of items that do not have a price tag. Nobody seems to care about that law.

                                                                                  As for the no-beer-in-grocery store, I think it's limited to three locations per chain in the state. For example, the Whole Foods in Cambridge (River Street) has beer and wine. The one in Newton does not. The Trader Joes in Brookline sells beer and wine, others I've been to do not. The Shaws in Copley Square does....etc. I can't see why they wouldn't allow Wegmans to do so if Whole Foods et al can. but then again this is Massachusetts; we're not known for sensible legislation.

                                                                                  1. re: Ralphie_in_Boston

                                                                                    According to an article in the Boston Globe last month, the specific issue about the Westwood Station space is that up until only a few years ago, Westwood was a completely dry town, and even now, there are no liquor stores in the town.

                                                                                    1. re: BarmyFotheringayPhipps

                                                                                      oooh yeah that's right--I remember reading that.

                                                                                      So the issue is really with the municipality of Westwood, not with the state legislature.

                                                                                      1. re: Ralphie_in_Boston

                                                                                        There's a town meeting addressing the topic on May 5th. I imagine the town's website has details on time and place.

                                                                                  2. re: rochesterbaby

                                                                                    Wegmans coming to Westwood Station generating alot of interest in the media. Shopped at the Fayetteville Wegmans outside Syracuse many times while visiting family living in Manlius, NY. A unique shopping experience. You mention 4 other sites around Boston - I live in Northborough which is 30 miles west of Boston - New 575,000 sq.ft. Lifestyle center, the Loop beginning construction in my town. A member of the Loop Development team asked for approval of an article at our Town Meeting last Tuesday night to petition the state for an additional package store beer and wine license for a major food tenant who is interested in locating in the Loop (Town Meeting approved the article).
                                                                                    Developer indicated this tenant will 'drive the market'. Sounds similar to Wegmans request at Westwood Station for similar license. Would Northborough be one of the 4 sites?

                                                                                    1. re: rochesterbaby

                                                                                      Wegmans in Hunt Valley, Maryland does not sell any type of alcohol including beer and wine.

                                                                                      1. re: jes

                                                                                        Also there are Wegmans in PA. And they can't sell any alcohol, period, in those, although I suspect they are active in trying to change the laws as are some other retailers. PA liquor laws are among the stupidest in the country.

                                                                                        Mass. laws on what alcohol can be sold in a grocery store vary by town as far as I know.

                                                                                  3. Still being held up by licensing issues:

                                                                                    http://tinyurl.com/69eg8y

                                                                                    1. I work in the Wegmans corporate office and yes, they are looking to build a store in the Boston area. Neither a specific location nor date have been set. Currently, Wegmans is primarily focusing on expanding within VA and MD.

                                                                                      1. Bad news: Westwood Station as a whole is at best delayed, at worst dead:

                                                                                        http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/sto...