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yankeefan Nov 15, 2007 09:13 AM

Made the trip to Dogfish Head brewery in Milton and brewpub in Del beach.

Truly the greatest pilgrimage to a beer-dorks Mecca. It was just flat out awesome. Their beers are so off the hook good, its just silly.

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  1. Chinon00 RE: yankeefan Nov 15, 2007 11:33 AM

    Weyerbacher should be your next stop. Don't know if you'll be as impressed but their "Eleven" DIPA got my personal "regional beer of the year" award. They are located in Easton, Pennsylvania.

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    1. re: Chinon00
      brentk RE: Chinon00 Nov 15, 2007 12:21 PM

      Weyerbacher has really made great strides in the last few years. I really like their Double Simcoe.

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        Chinon00 RE: brentk Nov 15, 2007 03:09 PM

        For clearly over-the-top beer, they are tops in the region.

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      yankeefan RE: yankeefan Nov 16, 2007 11:11 AM

      Thanks for the suggestion. I do have them high on my list of visits. It will be hard to live up to the Dogfish though.

      Came back with a truckful:
      - last of what they had of punkin
      - case of 120 minutes
      - case of pangaeas
      - case of world wide stouts
      - case of chicory stout

      best part was the rarities they had on tap.

      chinoon- impressed with your beer knowledge and opinions, are you out of the philly area? respect your opinion.

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        MVNYC RE: yankeefan Nov 16, 2007 11:18 AM

        A case of World Wide Stouts.......

        All I can say is wow. How much did that run if you don't mind me asking?

        Also if you like Pumpkins try to get your hands on the Southern Tier Pumking. It is the best of the lot in my opinion

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          yankeefan RE: MVNYC Nov 16, 2007 11:23 AM

          A case is only 8, but good God are those beers legit. Actually had from tap there the heaven and hell which is a black/tan of WWS and 120. The case of 8 ran $70 I believe - my intention is to age but I have a feeling that wont last too long. Do they have the WWS in NYC where I assume you are?

          I agree with the pumpking, it is my 2nd favorite behind the DF punkin. Its one of the few that isnt overpowered with pie spices and cloves. I really cant wait to get back down to Delaware.

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            MVNYC RE: yankeefan Nov 16, 2007 11:27 AM

            That sounds like one black and tan and lights out. They had Dogfish head night at Blind Tiger a while back and I was mixing the beers as well. 90 minute out of the Randall mixed with Olde School Barley wine was a definite winner there.

            World Wide Stout is available up here, i think $8 a 12oz. It is good but not something i would drink regularly. With the cold weather though, it is a good time for one.

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              yankeefan RE: MVNYC Nov 16, 2007 11:51 AM

              Lights out is right.

              DFH beers lend well to the combos- not a big fan of the barleywine but sounds interesting. My favorite to this point is the punkin/indian brown and Im going to try the punkin/chicory combo tonight. Of course the old standby of the 75 minute - 60/90 combo

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                TBird RE: MVNYC Mar 4, 2008 06:51 PM

                finally had a red and white at blind tiger two nights ago. it's still haunting me.

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                  Josh RE: TBird Mar 4, 2008 08:18 PM

                  Good to know. I picked up two of those in TX and am greatly looking forward to sampling.

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                LNG212 RE: yankeefan Nov 21, 2007 10:54 AM

                Yankeefan - if you like Dogfish that much, keep your eye on the Artisanal Cheese center's website for classes. We went to a Dogfish event there in October (and maybe they'll do another one). They served 8 of their beers (and served and served and served...) along with cheese pairings selected by Artisanal. It was really awesome. The Dogfish rep there did most of the talking about how they make it, etc.

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                  yankeefan RE: LNG212 Nov 21, 2007 11:43 AM

                  Im looking forward to getting down there for several events.

                  Ive read his book, and Business Week has a good article this month:


                  Makes you feel good about drinking this beer and paying the premium. Well done Sam.

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              Chinon00 RE: yankeefan Nov 16, 2007 01:05 PM

              I do my best. Yes from Philadelphia. If you visit Weyerbacher what has sort of been their thing recently is beer on wood. For instance they've put 3 of their ales on wood (Heresy - Imperial stout, Prophecy - Abbey triple, and Blasphemy - Quadrupel) and one barley wine (Insanity). I was not at all a fan of wood aged beer until a tasted Weyerbacher's versions. There is no overwhelming vanilla-wood taste like I've had from some other breweries. These I think are all seasonals so get 'em while they are around.


            3. pinstripeprincess RE: yankeefan Nov 23, 2007 10:31 AM

              of the ones i've tried so far the d'etre is what got me on board and the 120min ipa made me skeptical (just toooo bitter) and the immort ale brought me right back. but with the immort it could be the canadian in me ;)

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                Chinon00 RE: pinstripeprincess Nov 29, 2007 04:22 PM

                I had the Immort Ale tonight. I really liked it. I got everything described on the label: "maple, vanilla & oak". But I also got noticeable smoke and booze.

                Another unique offering from Dogfish Head.

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                  yankeefan RE: Chinon00 Dec 1, 2007 02:37 PM

                  That and Aprihop are the two that I have not tried as of yet but am really looking forward to- Im sure it was good.

                  The maple flavor supposedly really comes through, which Im positive Ill enjoy.
                  As far as Aprihop, any thing advertised as intensely hoppy with apricot undertones has me drooling.

                  WWS, 90 minute, and fedex mild still my top DFH offerings. Not many I dont like.

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                    Chinon00 RE: yankeefan Dec 1, 2007 03:55 PM

                    Fedex mild is a "wet" hopped AIPA? I've only had one wet hopped beer (Victory Braumeister Harvest Pils). There is nothing like a wet hopped beer.

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                      Kenji RE: yankeefan Feb 26, 2008 06:54 AM

                      Aprihop is one of the best fruit beers I've tasted. It's helped along by the fact that the fruit flavors taste natural (unlike the cough drop taste in, say, Samuel Adams Cherry Wheat) and subtle -- the apricot it not heavy-handed. Also it has a ton of hops, and some of that delicious maltiness that is also evident in DFH's stronger 90-Minute IPA.

                2. Chinon00 RE: yankeefan Nov 27, 2007 07:42 PM

                  Speaking on Weyerbacher again, I purchased both the Heresy (oak aged imperial stout) and Blasphemy (oak aged quadrupel). Short review(s):

                  Heresy - I admit that due to the style (and the oak) I was expecting something like World Wide Stout or Storm King Stout (i.e.:far from subtle; crashing waves). But Heresy wasn't as stark or as deep. Instead of crashing waves think of thinner quieter ones reaching shore each one bringing something different: coffee, vanilla, cocoa, whiskey, tar . . . It reminded me instead of Harviestoun's "Old Engine Oil" (which is a very good thing).

                  Blasphemy: What you would expect from a Quad on wood; sticky, toffee, cola, candy, vanilla and whiskey. Interesting but it wouldn't be my first choice. Note: 11.8% alcohol by volume.

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                  1. re: Chinon00
                    yankeefan RE: Chinon00 Nov 28, 2007 08:52 AM

                    In terms of heresy, nothing is really as dark as what you have mentioned.

                    I just scored some Goose Island County Bourbon Stout and Founders Breakfast Stout that I cant WAIT to enjoy this weekend. May not make it that long, in the meantime, Im enjoying many a Chicory and Mad Elfs.

                    I would like to try Blasphemy. Just picked up some Old Heathen, havent tried yet but looking forward to as well.

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                      Chinon00 RE: yankeefan Dec 1, 2007 05:41 PM

                      I visited the Weyerbacher brewery in Easton, PA today (a modest setup). They do sales, tours and tastings on Saturdays between 12 and 3. Anyway, I brought home a mixed case of: blithering idiot (barleywine), old heathen (imperial stout), merry monks (abbey dubbel), winter ale and house ale. The old heathen I describe as a "breakfast beer" (i.e. profound cocoa and roasted coffee). And the mouthfeel was rounder and light and sort of milky (not very "hot" or very inky [for an imperial]). The winter ale was also surprisingly good and the house ale is their version of a "session" beer. I'm sure that you are familiar with their abbey dubbel and barleywine (big and biggest).
                      I got a moment with one of the guys who worked there and asked "why no Pilsner?" He went on to explain the money aspect of brewing lagers (longer hold times required for lagers = less profit) and he also mentioned the creative limits of lagers versus ale. But in doing so he (to me) sort of derided lager. And again to me brewing lager really proves that you have chops as a brewer. To me brewing lager is sort of like singing "a cappella" where as when brewing ales there is some "accompaniment" (i.e rich and funky esters).

                      1. re: Chinon00
                        brentk RE: Chinon00 Dec 2, 2007 03:47 AM

                        Brewing lagers and drinking lagers are two different things.

                        I understand the both the economics and the technical issues involved. (There is also the matter of different yeast strains and making sure they do not somehow co-mingle.)

                        But I would rather drink an ale than a lager six days out of seven. I like a good pilsner or a doppelbock every now and again but I would get pretty bored if that was all there was.

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                          Chinon00 RE: brentk Dec 2, 2007 07:21 AM

                          Yes, I've heard that before from folks. I like to draw an analogy between lager and ale, and white and red wine. I used to work at a wine store where we did tastings. And most days at least one customer would say (if offered say a taste of Sancerre or other white) "oh, I don't drink white wine". The reason that they'd provide mostly was that white wine didn't have enough flavor for them. Then one day a customer came in who was very eager to taste and particularly the whites. He commented "ya know for years I used to only drink red but now I'm really starting to appreciate white wine a lot more". One of our senior employees responded to him "that is because your palate is becoming more focused".

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                            Josh RE: Chinon00 Dec 2, 2007 07:56 AM

                            Great observation, and I couldn't agree more. It's always seemed strange to me when people will close off their palates to certain things based on ill-informed expectations. I know wine drinkers who have said they don't like red/white/rose, and their rationale for this position is always based on having had one or two bad experiences with those varieties. I've had plenty of crap whites and roses, but the good ones are amazing.

                            Similarly, when I've heard some craft and homebrew types talk about lager, they often seem to regard its more subtle flavor profile as a detriment. But what I like about well-made lagers is how much more the interplay of malt and hops are emphasized when you don't have such estery yeasts involved. Amber and dark lagers particularly can have such great toasted/roasted flavors, without the ale fruitiness.

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                              MVNYC RE: Josh Dec 2, 2007 08:59 AM

                              I would agree completely. While I definitely enjoy ales more than lagers they are different experiences. The clean profiles you get from a good lager can really showcase good hops and malt. Brooklyn Lager and Bluepoint Toasted Lager are both staples. There are some times when I just want a toasty clean lager.

                              As to white wines, I can see your point as well. It took me a lot longer to get into whites than it did to reds but I would have to say I even prefer a good white nowadays

                        2. re: Chinon00
                          yankeefan RE: Chinon00 Dec 2, 2007 05:03 AM

                          I was actually heading to attend the same brew tour up there yesterday but got stuck raking leaves and didnt get done in time. Ill probably be up there next saturday for the tour. Funny coincidence.

                          I actually just picked up a six of old heathen earlier in the week and found it quite good, I think youll definitely like it if you havent tried yet.

                          As far as the fedex and the wet hopped method, its all thats advertised. Between that and getting some 90 minute through the randall makes the trip all worth it.

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                          Kenji RE: yankeefan Feb 26, 2008 06:52 AM

                          Founders Breakfast Stout is the one coffee-infused stout I've tasted (I've tried a lot of them, since I love both coffee and stout) that really works -- where the coffee tastes good for one thing, and melds well with the malt flavors.

                      2. shellshock24 RE: yankeefan Jan 7, 2008 03:53 PM

                        I have to admit this is one of the best craft breweries in America. I'm a Californian, so we don't get Dogfish beers out west, but I'll always leave a little extra room in my bag when I visit friends on the east coast to bring back some Dogfish beers. I had the World Wide Stout a few days ago. Have to say, probably one of the best (if not the best) stout I have ever had.

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                          yankeefan RE: shellshock24 Jan 7, 2008 03:56 PM

                          I was actually down there again just before the new year, there is nothing quite like the WW stout on tap. Truly a pleasure.

                          Cant wait for the Aprihop to come out.

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                            Chinon00 RE: yankeefan Jan 7, 2008 07:09 PM

                            Wondering if you've had Old Rasputin Russian Imperial on tap or otherwise? I had it on tap last weekend. Towering! How would you compare it to WW stout (if you've had it).

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                              shellshock24 RE: Chinon00 Jan 7, 2008 07:52 PM

                              Not sure if the question is directed towards me, but since North Coast is a California brewery, I assume me. I really like RIS, which is why i'm not a 100% sure I would say WWS is my favorite stout. I like the hoppiness of RIS, but I also enjoy the sweetness of WWS a lot. It's a toss up, but since I can't get WWS whenever I want, I would say WWS is the best stout I have ever had, largely because I know it would be such an effort for me to try it again. By the way, I had a bottled RIS.

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                                PaulB RE: Chinon00 Jan 8, 2008 02:55 AM

                                WWS is about 20% alcohol by volume, about 2X as strong as a typical RIS. Like many DFH big beers, I find it boozy and unattenuated (sweet from unfermented sugars) and prefer an Old Rasputin.

                            2. re: shellshock24
                              Kenji RE: shellshock24 Feb 26, 2008 12:03 PM

                              The Emeryville Trader Joe's used to sell several of the Dogfish Head beers.

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                                shellshock24 RE: Kenji Feb 26, 2008 12:56 PM

                                Really? I used to live in Emeryville, never saw it there. Plus, I thought because of distribution laws that its technically illegal to sell beer in a state if it doesn't go through a distributor (and there are no DFH distributors in CA)? Just wondering when you saw it. Thanks!

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                                  Kenji RE: shellshock24 Feb 27, 2008 09:03 AM

                                  From about '00 to '03, I was buying DFH beers at the Emeryville TJ's. Really. It was my first enconter with them. At the time, no one else in the area (that I knew of) was carrying them.

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                                    shellshock24 RE: Kenji Feb 29, 2008 02:43 PM

                                    Either way, looks like its officially coming (back?) to California;


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                              kenito799 RE: yankeefan Jan 9, 2008 12:09 PM

                              And Rehoboth Beach is a great little beach town, especially in the off season...we swam in the ocean January 2007 after an evening in the brewpub...hooray global warming!

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                                TBird RE: kenito799 Feb 24, 2008 02:30 PM

                                i'm trying my first Pangaea this evening. has anyone paired this (successfully) with food?

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                                  ClockworkOrange RE: TBird Feb 24, 2008 06:36 PM

                                  Pangaea goes well with sushi.

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                                    TBird RE: ClockworkOrange Feb 25, 2008 02:19 PM

                                    thanks clockwork. we went with lobster rolls and it was awesome. kind of the same neighborhood...

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                                yankeefan RE: yankeefan Mar 14, 2008 10:35 AM

                                Finally tried the aprihop which I have been looking forward to. Not quite what I was expecting, had very high hopes but not bad in any sense.

                                It was like a jacked up version of MH #9 more than I thought it would be- apricot was more present and pounding than the hops, thought it would be vice versa.

                                Still one delicious beer that I am looking forward to enjoying all spring long.

                                I will state again, please wet hop something like you did the fedex mild at the brewpub- there was truly nothing better.

                                anyone try the santo marron?

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                                  Josh RE: yankeefan Mar 14, 2008 10:39 AM

                                  I recently had Red and White for the first time. I'd have to classify that as one of their experiments that doesn't work. It was almost good, but there's way too much oak astringency on the finish for me.

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