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Nov 5, 2007 08:25 AM


Any new diners at Zacharias creek side cafe. They have been open for a bit now, have they settled in, how is the food? Looking for some feedback.

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  1. I've been to Zacharias a few times and have had some really great meals. The atmosphere is funky and fun. A great place for a group of 4. My favorites are the duck confit appetizer, the chicken entree (I know, I never order chicken at a restaurant, but it is great here) and the hazelnut mousse for dessert. I highly recommend it!

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    1. re: lizlipskrb

      I haven't been yet, but I have read that their crabcakes are phenomenal.

      I've heard it's a little pricey though.

      1. re: lizlipskrb

        Thanks for the info guys.......very helpful. Looking forward to hearinfg more about it.

      2. Boy I miss Ravenna!!! I loved that place!

        On that note....I met a friend for dinner last night. We had a nice time at the newly decorated restaurant. We noticed the "warmth" was missing from the back room as the newly painted walls weren't as cozy.

        Anyway...on to the food. We had a 7:30 reservation (glad we did) as every table was filled. It seemed to die off only filling a few more tables after that time. We left around 9:45pm and only a few tables were still eating.

        We decided to start of sharing their mixed greens ($8), enough for two people. It had soy nuts topping the salad, which was a nice addition, though I think I like pine nuts on my salad instead. Still good.

        My friend ordered the Moroccan Spiced Tuna ($27). Her entree looked very tasty, the tuna looked awesome. The taste....well...very bland. It was missing something...actually, it was missing seasoning. Very strange. She asked the waitress for some kind of sauce to jazz it up a bit and they were able to mix up something for her to add flavor. Other than that, the tuna was cooked very well.

        I had the Jumbo Lump Crab cake ($28). It came out with two cakes, the average size cakes, though they were delicious. What confused me about my meal was that it said it was served with chipotle corn salsa, lemon-chive aioli and tomato salad. The serving style was just funny...they put each item in a small compote cup and served it on the side. It was like they were condiments. The crab cakes were good. Very flavorful. The horseradish mashed potatoes they were served with needed more of a spike, though still tasty. The condiment dish? Wasn't needed, except maybe the aioli for the cakes. It seemed to be a distraction to the main entree.

        The bill came.....68.00 dollars for both of us, not including tip. While we both thought the meals were good (not off the charts) they certainly were a bit overpriced, especially for that area. We had a nice time, but will not be rushing back...I would say because of the price. This area needs good restaurants like this, but they need to really pay attention to the area, as this is not Center City and really shouldn't be charging as much for entrees. I would expect this in Skippack, but this is not what this area needs!!! Give us good "go to" places at reasonable prices. Ravenna gave this to us, especially with their Prix Fix menu. That was always a good deal.

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        1. re: Hellolaura


          You say that places need to pay attention to their prices, yet you mention that the place was packed. That says to me that it's priced pretty well or else it wouldn't be so crowded.

          1. re: mitchh

            I thought it was funny to suggest that if it were located in Skippack they could charge more. Apart from Cedars, Tokyo and Parc Bistro, (which are just OK) Skippack is a dining wasteland!

            1. re: Kater

              Yes, the place was packed at 7:30, so to me, it would imply they only had one main dinner seating, as most of the tables were filled on a Friday night with the exception of 3-4 tables. Just because there are people in there, doesn't mean they are priced correctly for the area, I now would acknowledge it as no where else in that area to eat.

              As for dining in Skippack, yeah, you are paying more...are you not paying more, Kater? Are you not getting an entree when you are dining there? At least for me, when I dine in Skippack I know I will be paying more for my meal.

              1. re: Hellolaura

                More that what?

                My point is simply that I wouldn't expect to pay less in Worcester than I would in Skippack. Fuzion is priced like restaurants in Skippack and I would expect Zacharydoodahs (yeah that's what we call it) to do the same!

                1. re: Kater

                  I agree its a dining wasteland. There is not one good place in that wanna be yuppie town. Try Blue Fin just ask young to send special to your table until you tell him to stop.

        2. We ate at Zacharias last Thursday night. It was our second time eating there. The meal was better than the first time but still not excellent. The service was very good. My wife had the crabcakes which were tasty. I had a pork special ("pork porterhouse" if I recall correctly). It was tasteless and the texture was as if it had been steamed rather than grilled or pan fried. The sweet potato fries that came with the pork were tasty. We had the "hazelnut mousse torte" for dessert which was very good. Lots of hazelnut flavor in the mousse and the crust was crisp and nutty. I'm not sure if we'll go back. We live close by, but there is nothing compelling about the food especially for the price. We are "starved" for good food choices in this part of Montgomery county. Zacharias owners (if you are reading this) - you need to season your food more. Overall, the flavors are bland.

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          1. re: nevets

            The suburbs, in general, are a dining wasteland IMHO and this has been a big pet-peeve of mine for years. I too live near this place and from these reviews will not be spending city pricetags for mediocre and bland food. You should have gone to Fuzion right next store for a much cheaper and better meal. And yes, you are paying a lot more money in Skippack because, well, you're in Skippack, but that doesn't raise the food standard in my opinion. Ravenna was a good restaurant that went steadily downhill until it too was bland and mediocre before it closed. Go to Costello's in North Wales for good Italian, Sultan next store for good Indian, Yalda Grill and Kebob in Willow Grove for very tasty food for dirt cheap. There ARE some good places in this area if you search them out, but that being said, your best bet is still heading into the city.

            1. re: Schpsychman

              Yes, Schpsychman, because there are no bad restaurants in the city, are there? Frankly there are a heck of lot more bad ones in the city than there are in the burbs just for the simple fact that there are more restaurants there.

              That said, the hassle of going downtown just isn't worth it. My wife and I went out with another couple and had a 7:15 reservation at Haru. We left Collegeville at 6:00 and got there right at 7:15 so it took an hour and 15 minutes for a drive that should only take 30. Then $19 plus tip to valet park and the eventual sitting in traffic ride back home that took an hour. All that for dinner????

              Dining wasteland? I think that's overstating things a bit isn't it? There are plenty of good restaurants out there and, as I posted before, not every meal has to be an orgasmic experience of a lifetime.

              As for the pricing complaints, if tables are full then why should they lower their prices? If you think their prices are too high, then don't go there. That's the best way to show them that their prices are too high.

              1. re: mitchh

                I agree what you said about the price Mitchh, and like I said, because of the prices, I won't be rushing back. Their tables won't be full for long, if their food doesn't match the prices they are charging. It was pretty expensive for a BYOB. Let's see what they are like on a weeknight...and let's see once the newness of the place wears off.

                1. re: mitchh

                  I completely agree, there are some great restaurants in the burbs. I get really disappointed when I see blanket statements about the burbs being a dining wasteland. We need to enjoy and supoprt our local places, because if not they will close down and we will be stuck with nothing but Outback and Chilis. It will be a self fulfilling prophecy.

                  1. re: mitchh

                    Well Mitch I guess we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one. I have wasted too much of my hard earned money on meals in the suburbs that usually range from bad to mediocre at best. Have I had good meals in the suburbs? Of course, but they are too few and far between and actually are usually at the inexpensive BYOB's and NOT at the fancy-smancy places. Personally, I think the suburban restaurants fall way behind city restaurants at the higher end and less so at the lower end. If I am going to drop $100 on a meal for my wife and I, I am not even gonna think about eating in the suburbs, I am heading into the city. Are there bad restaurants in the city? I guess there are, but I can honestly say I've never had many truly bad meals in the city whereas I've had plenty in the suburbs. I will GLADLY support my local dining establishments and do, IF they are good and merit my support, plain and simple.

                    Take the place we are talking about, Zacharias, for example. They are charging pretty hefty prices for a BYOB and getting pretty mediocre reviews. Now why would I want to go and try it? I have no desire to and honestly because I think that, in general, food in the suburbs is usually (not always) not at the same level as food in the city. Is that a generalization? Sure it is, but by and large an accurate generalization. Lets see how long Zacharias is around charging those prices for reportedly mediocre food. Personally, I can get from Lansdale to the art museum in 40 minutes using the drives and I'm willing to pay for parking to eat at the places I go to. It's not a pain for me, I love being in the city as often as I can, I love it there so that is where I usually go when I want a good meal. I've stated these views before and been lashed by faithful suburbanites for saying them. Just think of it this way, they'll be two more seats available on any given night.

                    1. re: Schpsychman

                      Let me give you a perfect example of what I'm talking about Mitch. Have you ever eaten at Marigold Kitchen in West Philadelphia? On the weekends they have a 3 course dinner for $45 and 5 courses for $60. They are BYOB (with the best stemware you'll ever see at a BYOB) in a lovely row home in West Philly with on street parking. Eat there and then tell me you can get food in the suburbs that is even close to this level at this price point. You can't. You can also include places like Django, Matyson, Bistro 7, L'Angolo, etc. etc. in this category. Just my opinion though.......

                      1. re: Schpsychman


                        We'll definitely have to agree to disagree.

                        Every time I make plans to go downtown I have to give myself at least an hour to get from Collegeville to CC. The first backup is from the 422/76 merge, then smooth sailing until I approach the Blue Route, followed by smooth sailing until Rte 1 and then the backup at Vine Street.

                        Sure, every now and again it's ok, but definitely not worth the hassle to do it every weekend. There are plenty of good restaurants in the area (not necessarily BYO's) that rarley/never get mentioned here (William Penn Inn, Mainland Inn, Zakes, Bay Pony Inn just to name a couple off the top of my head) that will provide a more than satisfactory dining experiece. As I posted before, not every meal has to be mind blowing and there are plenty of places downtown that will disappoint as well.

                        All of this said, I hope that you never get transferred somewhere that truly is a restaurant wasteland. There are plenty of areas that aren't even that far away from here where a 30 minute drive to an Applebees is considered fine dining.

                        1. re: mitchh

                          Mitch, I agree that the roads you have to take to get into town are about the most congested of any and make a trip aggravating. I have a much easier shot into the city using the drives, but then again, some people hate them too. But, in all honesty, your latest post merely proves my point exactly: William Penn Inn, Mainland Inn, Bay Pony Inn? No wonder they never get mentioned here. Might as well throw in the Freight House and Slate Bleu in Doylestown as well. A couple will easily spend $100-$150 (probably more) at all these places for what I consider boring, uninspired food. I'll trek into Philadelphia every weekend if I have to for good food, even if I lived further away than I did!

                          1. re: Schpsychman


                            I guess that every meal that I go out for doesn't need to be "inspired".

                            Honestly, if I am truly looking for an inspired meal, I'll cook it myself.

                            1. re: mitchh

                              Say what? If I'm gonna drop the kinda money you have to at the places you mention in the 'burbs, my meal better damn well be inspired. You have $100 or more to spend on uninspired, boring food? I sure don't.

                              1. re: Schpsychman

                                What exactly are you ordering that ends up being $100 for a couple? My bill at Parc Bistro, for example, is typically $50-60. That's certainly better than the cost of gas to go downtown, $20+ to park and then $100+ food bill. Not to mention, who really wants to drive for an hour after an "inspired", good meal?

                                That said the restaurants that I listed certainly offer items that I wouldn't call "boring" or "uninspired".

                                We certainly don't see eye to eye on this one, so we'll just agree to disagree and move on.

                                1. re: mitchh

                                  OH MY GOD YOU TWO!!! There are good restaurants in the suburbs and bad restaurants in the city. But given the size of the city, there's a larger number of choices, and therefore more great restaurants. If you don't like a restaurant, DON'T GO BACK, but don't beat the dead horse for anyone else who doesn't want to spend 1.5 hours driving into the city, parking, and then considering having more than 2 drinks if you have to drive home.

                                  I think there's also an issue of what "uninspired" means. A great, traditional meal may not be inspired, but prepared perfectly is still a fabulous dining experience. It doesn't always have to be Iron Chef uniqueness.

                                  Zacharias is a great addition to the suburban dining experience. We should support and encourage them. I don't think even the owners expect it to become your weekly dining spot.

                                2. re: Schpsychman

                                  I have to agree with you Schpsychman. You get much more bang for your buck in the city. I do try to support suburban restaurants, and I will give a place two or three tries before giving up (in the case of Zake's even more times since it's cute and so convenient -- also disappointing for dinner). Chestnut Hill, for instance, is just ridiculous. In a neighborhood that would seem prime for a good restaurant, there hasn't been one since Under the Blue Moon closed. I have hopes for the new Cuban restaurant that will open soon. Unfortunately, with very few exceptions, the suburban restaurants cannot compare to the better restaurants in the city (and are often more expensive). The restaurants in Skippack are ridiculously overpriced (particularly Brasserie 73 -- isn't this place, Roadhouse and Parc Bistro all owned by the same person?) Believe me, I would love to find a good restaurant in the suburbs. I miss Ravenna.

                                  1. re: JanR


                                    Yes, Parc Bistro, Roadhouse and Brasserie are owned by the same person, who also owns Hotel Fiesole.

                                    The funny thing with everyone complaining about how overpriced these places are is that they are crowded every weekend, often with regulars who go 2 or more times per month. That said they have obviously done their homework regarding pricing and know what people are and aren't willing to pay. What is lowering their prices going to accomplish if they are crowded?

                                    1. re: mitchh

                                      Thanks Jan, at least someone seems to have some sense about this debate. I think those people who scream that suburban restaurants are as good as city restaurants haven't eaten in the city all that much. How could you eat at places like Marigold Kitchen, Django, Matyson, Mandoline (RIP), Bar Ferdinand, I could go on, and then say that there are restaurants in the suburbs that even come close to this at twice the cost? You can't, plain and simple. I have eaten at expensive restaurants in the suburbs often enough to come to realize that they, in general, serve safe and predictable dishes to please the well-heeled suburban crowd (who, by and large, like safe and predictable food). Am I generalizing yet again? Sure I am, but I think that by and large this generalization holds true. I just looked at Parc Bistro's dinner menu and I refuse to pay those prices for food that I will end up saying "that wasn't bad but it surely wasn't that good either" (it's happend all too often and then I get mad at myself for spending a lot of money on a mediocre meal).

                                      And Mitch, people in the Skippack area are willing to pay those prices because they can afford to pay those prices, just like what I see in Doylestown as well. It doesn't mean, by any strech of the imagination, that just because a restaurant is crowded and people are willing to pay high prices, that the restaurant is all that good. This has been a debate for years and years and will be for years to come I know. It's just my opinion that if you want the best meal (quality, most interesting and inspired food) at the best bargain you can find, you need to stay out of the suburbs and go into the city.

                                      1. re: Schpsychman

                                        So, Schpsychman, just because someone disagrees with you means that they don't have any sense?

                                        I stopped reading your post after that. Enjoy going down to the city. End of discussion for me.

                                        1. re: mitchh

                                          Sorry Mitch, didn't mean it that way, though I can see how you could take it that way. Of course people can disagree with me and no I don't think they don't have any sense if they do. I get too worked up about this stuff, again I apologize for insinuating that.

                                            1. re: mitchh

                                              Thanks Mitch, no hard feelings. Salute.

                                              1. re: gacamole

                                                Of these three, I have been to Funky L'il Kitchen and I agree that it compares favorably to many center city restaurants. It is one of the few exceptions, however. Alba in Malvern is also in that category. Wish there were many more.

                                                1. re: JanR


                                                  Why not just be grateful for the selection that we have? There are plenty of areas within a 2 hour drive from here that don't even come close to offering what we have just in Montgomery county, let alone the other surrounding counties.

                                                  I've been to numerous areas around the country where a chain like Benigans or Friday's is your best option and you're happy that the wait is under an hour on a Friday or Saturday night.

                                                    1. re: JanR

                                                      OK, I have to jump back into this one again, forgive me. I don't think the "be thankful for what we have" reasoning works here. Nor does the "there are other areas where Benigans or Fridays are your best option" reasoning work either. This ISN'T one of those areas Mitch. Montgomery County is, per capita, the wealthiest county in Pennsylvania and minutes outside a major metropolitan city (the 5th largest in the entire country). Given that, the "why not just be grateful for the selection we have" reasoning doesn't work in my book either. The quality of restaurants in Montco (and other counties) should be, in general, much higher than it is. Are there a FEW restaurants that are comparable to those in the city? yes. Are they very few and far between? yes. Should it be that way? No.

                                                      If rents are cheaper in the suburbs and space more readily available, then why don't we have as good places to eat? Why are chains, in general, SO successful and thus so numerous in the suburbs and not so much in the city? For some reason, I think the bar is not set as high in the suburbs as it is in the city and, as a result, people in general are willing to settle for lower quality dining establishments. Once again, this is just my humble opinion on the subject.......

                                                      1. re: Schpsychman

                                                        Schpsychman - I'm coming in late on this while doing a search on Skippack restaurants (we're moving to Upper Gwynedd next month). However, I agree with some of your comments regarding Philly dining. One problem I have with your attitude is that you seem to take one bad comment about a particular restaurant and decide not to try it yourself to find out whether or not the person who made the comment knows what they're talking about. Case in point, I happened to be looking at some NYC posts and found one where you heard that Dennis Foy's is not so good and made a remake along the lines of "I won't be going there". I'd like to tell you that I believe you're making a gross error by accepting that person's review without finding out for yourself that Dennis Foy's is one hell of a find in Tribeca! You really need to go there yourself and decide if what he's offering at a price point that is below the "names" in NYC is worth the trip. I sure think it is. Having been there on a number of occasions for both business & pleasure, I can tell you that if he were in Philly you'd be making that trip down the drives on a regular basis to dine at his restaurant. I think your comment regarding Castello's is right on! I think you comment about Slate Bleu is not! I think your decision about Dennis Foy's needs to be an informed one, not one where you take someone else's post to dissuade you from experiencing it for yourself. All that being said, give me 2-3 places anywhere in Bucks/Montgomery/Chester counties that you feel I'd be justified in spending $100 or more for dinner. Like you, I don't like to throw money at a night that I won't be happy with.

                                                        1. re: bucksguy14

                                                          Bucksguy, interesting comments. You found me on the Manhattan board huh? Well, as it turns out I went to NYC for Valentine's Day weekend (a tradition for us) and based where we were going to eat on numerous posts (including that "other" board) and NYC food reviews not just one comment. I don't doubt that Dennis Foy's is good, but we ended up having the meal of our lifetime at Eleven Madison Park one night and then a very good (yet somewhat disappointing) meal at Bouley the next night. I'd say we did a heck of a lot better than Foy's, good as it may be. I can't wait to return to EMP (but we'll skip Bouley next time).

                                                          2-3 places in the tri-county area worth spending $100 or more for dinner? That is, unfortunately, a tough request. Recently we ate at Honey in Doylestown and while their price-point is a bit high on some dishes (e.g. $31 for sea bass, albeit very good sea bass), we had a very good meal. Recently ate at San Marco in Ambler and I would say that's definitely NOT worth it, I would rather go to Castello's. San Marco dripped with preteniousness along with average food. I would say that Hamilton's Grill Room and Manon both in Lambertville NJ would be worth it (though not in the area you are looking I know). And I'll throw this one out there too, even though it's in Philadelphia. Go to the 5-course Sunday dinner at Little Fish (6th and Catherine Sts.), perhaps the best deal in the city. Fantastic food, lovely cozy setting, and BYOB. Hope these help.

                                                          How about some of your favorites? I'm always looking for good food in the 'burbs you know!

                                                          1. re: Schpsychman

                                                            Once again, Schpsychman, I have to agree with your comments. Little Fish is just terrific and San Marco is so pretentious that after the second visit (quite a few years ago) I never went back. I was particularly annoyed by the way they let one of their regulars talk loudly on a cell phone for 15 minutes! Really ruined our meal, as he was at the next table. Like Ristorante di Castello but I'm sorry to see that they are no longer byob. Manon in Lambertville is charming.

                                                            1. re: JanR

                                                              Jan, I think we have similar tastes in restaurants as well. I have always enjoyed your posts and rely on them for good recommendations. I can't wait to get back to Little Fish, it's my kinda place (as is Manon). I don't know what the hubub is all about with San Marco. When we were there you could see them fawning all over the regulars while I had to wait an endlessly long time just to order a glass of wine and to get the check. Won't go back. I agree that Castello's not being BYOB makes it not nearly as good of a value anymore. It has gotten too expensive for us to visit as often (though a glass of wine and an appetizer portion of pasta while sitting at the bar hits the spot and is fairly inexpensive). The 'burbs are getting better I must admit.

                                                            2. re: Schpsychman

                                                              Schpsychman - We definitely like Castello's. Lambertville is not a problem and we'll give your suggestions a try. And I have no problem going to Philly (I'm a frequent users of the drives myself). I'll give you a couple of places outside the area we like - in Whitehouse, NJ, the Ryland Inn is fantastic and well worth the drive - it's about 45 mins or so from Lambertville. Also, the Savory Grille in Macungie, PA - it's about an hour from Blue Bell. And, although I noticed you don't particularly like it, we really like Slate Bleu in Doylestown. I recall one instance of bad service about a year or so back, but we've had many good meals there. In fact, my wife surprised me for my last birthday and had our entire family join us. Everyone enjoyed their meal. Maybe you need to give them another go? And, for a fun time for less than $100, and some decent Irish food and music, we always look forward to going to The Shanachie in Ambler. One other think we're looking for is a really good burger and beer/ale joint in the general area. Any ideas?

                                                              1. re: bucksguy14

                                                                Bucksguy, seems like we have similar tastes in food. I have heard raves about the Ryland Inn, always rated at the very top of NJ restaurants. Sounds like a special ocassion place that I'll have to try. It would take a lot to get me to travel to Macungie for a meal but if Savory Grille is that good perhaps it's worth a trip up North. My issue with Slate Bleu is my issue with food in the 'burbs in general: spending a lot of money for fairly safe, uneventful, but good good. Maybe I'm not giving them a fair chake though and shoudl return. I was at the Shanachie on St. Patty's Day and heard some great Irish music but haven't eaten there. I did see someone chowing down on the mighty good looking Shepherd's Pie though (a fav). If they also have good Fish n' Chips that would seal the deal!

                                                                A good burger joint in the area? Another tough one. To be honest, when my kids want a burger they pester me to take them to either Cheeburger Cheeburger in Cahlfont or Nifty Fifty's in Hatboro. Not bad. Other than that I'm stumped.

                                                                For a good place to get good beer/ale I would recommend The Drafting Room in Springhouse most definitely. 20 taps with great standards and microbrews from all over the country (and world actually). Their food has gone down hill but some of their dishes are OK. There is also a new place near me that just remodeled and is now called Astor Place. Decent food, nice bar, and some pretty good taps (Leffe for one).

                                                                I would recommend you try Honey in Doylestown, I think you'd enjoy it. It's right next to Cafe America, near the courthouse. Small and large plates of pretty inventive food and a nice atmosphere. And another great place in Lambertville is Siam for wonderful Thai food (and BYOB). Thanks for your rec's, I'll have to try some of yours.

                                                                1. re: Schpsychman

                                                                  Schpsychman - I gotta tell ya - I currently live in the Chalfont area. There is no way in hell you'd ever get me in Cheeburger Cheeburger. We took 2 of our grandkids there on 2 different occasions. As one of them said on the second visit "I can't like this place". The wait time from ordering to getting our food was over 40 minutes both times and the second time we call the owner over and told him we'd gladly pay for the kids drinks, but we were leaving! He was appropriately apologetic, but there's no way I'll ever go back. And I don't think it all the franchises - we've eaten in one in Ft. Lauderdale and had a nice time and would definitely go back if the urge hit - but the one in Chalfont - no way! Never heard of Nifty Fifty before, might have to give them a try.

                                                                  We've been talking about going to Honey for a month or so. I think we'll have to get serious. We've been to Astor Place. First time was for breakfast, but it was 11:15 and they were only doing lunch. Next time was for lunch and it was a very mixed bag. The waiter seemed like he had just walked in the door that morning for the first time. I asked if they had ale and he said "Yes, do you want one?". I asked if they had more than one and he said "I'll check" and walked away from the table. The my wife ordered a salad that came without some kind of spiced nuts and after the waiter was told about it he went into the kitchen and brought back a bowl-ful. The food was OK. We'll give it another go sometime.

                                                                  Regarding heading to Macungie, it can't be much more of a jaunt than heading in town - and the roads are less crowded. I think you'd like the Savory Grille.

                                                                  1. re: bucksguy14

                                                                    Honey is a fantastic spot. We go regularly and always have a great meal.

                                                                    1. re: crazyspice

                                                                      Totally agree on the wait time at Cheeburger Cheeburger, too long to be seated and then too long to get your food = way too long being there. BUT, my kids beg me to take them there so ocassionally I do. For that kinda place, I like Nifty Fifty's better (as do they). Honey is very good, though recently one of the dishes my wife had (meatballs, that were fried) were not that good. As I said, with a bottle of wine it is a pricey dinner but it is very good. Also in Doylestown we really like Cross Culture (very good Indian food, lovely setting with a nice porch and BYOB). Knight House is also good but again, is pricey.

                                                                      I agree that the food at Astor Place is hit or miss, and some of the entrees are priced a bit high for what you get. It's a nice place for a drink and on Saturday night is QUITE the scene!

                                                                  2. re: Schpsychman

                                                                    Schpsychman - we had lunch at Honey this afternoon. We shared the House Cut Fries which we found to be good but way too salty for our taste. My wife had the Grilled Cheese which we both agreed was really different and really good and I had their Pan Seared Diver Scallops which were cooked perfectly (something that few people get right). The most interesting thing we had was a shared dessert - The Homemade Ice Cream Sampler - placed before with instructions to start with the Lemon-Saffron, then go to the Raspberry, then move on to the Chocolate-Cinnamon (we both thought we were back in Mexico!) and finally to sample the Spicy Ginger. We followed the instructions, I finished our first pass just a few seconds before my wife, which allowed me to be the first to experience the surprise jolt in the back of my throat after completely swallowing the Spicy Ginger Ice Cream. There's not a hint of spicy hotness in your mouth, or in your throat when you swallow, but just a second or so later - BOOM. We both loved it. It wasn't cheap - $50 (before tip) with a beer and a lemonade, but we'll definitely be back. Thanks for the recommendation, it was another nice find in the Bux-Mont area!

                                3. re: mitchh

                                  The William Penn Inn? It's great for the blue hair crowd.

                        2. We ate there twice. Once for dinner and once for a private party of about 50 people. I can't say enough about this place. The food was excellent and the service was also great. I highly recommend anyone to try them out. Everyone at the party is still raving about the quality and freshness of the meal. Great place to enjoy a dinner.