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Joe's Stone Crab

ulterior epicure Nov 3, 2007 08:03 PM

My family and I had a simple, light lunch at Joe's not too long ago. It was our first time in Miami, and thus, at the original.

I've been to Joe's Seafood, Prime Steaks & Stone Crab in Chicago, a collaboration between Joe's Stone Crab and the Chicago-based Levy Restaurant Group, and I have to say, that the atmosphere of the original one in Miami, though similar, is much better. In large part, this is because the restaurant has bright windows that (on a sunny day, like the day we went), lets in gobs of wonderful sea-side sunshine. The one in Chicago is much darker - the main dining room tucked away from natural light and much more masculine and steak-housey.

Service here was stellar. It's the type of brassy but attentive march of the penguins - efficient, slightly gruff, but accommodating tuxedo'ed men and women.

The food is way over-priced, but very good. (You can see and read more detailed information about what we ordered and ate by clicking here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ulterior...) I saw it as paying for the experience more than the food. I have no idea what the going rate is for stone crab claws. I won't pretend to know. What I do know is that $34 seemed like an awful lot of money to lay down for seven ("Select" size) claws. But they were good - cracked and prepped all ready for you to de-shell (just enough to make you believe you actually got the experience of eating shell-in crab without all the mess)... so, I guess, I was more than fine with $34 for 7 "Select"-sized claws as the going rate.

I absolutely abhor iceberg lettuce. I rarely meet a salad using iceberg that actually appeals to me. When I see/hear people ordering it, I want to pull my hair out. Let's just all admit that the famous steak house "Wedge" is just a vehicle for blue cheese and bacon - it's not a salad at all. This being said, Joe's "Chopped Salad," - a mix of iceberg, tomatoes, cucumbers, onions, and carrots all chopped up and tossed with canned black olives, honey-roasted peanuts and feta cheese managed to tame my violent objections to the appearance of the otherwise worthless lettuce. It was the vinaigrette, actually... it was wonderful. It could have made moldy bread taste like a slice of heaven. For the same reason, the restaurant's "Lettuce, Tomato, Onion" salad though spartan, seemed inspired. The recipe is on Joe's Stone Crab's website.

I know that everyone RAVES about Joe's key lime pie. They're famous for it (and, apparently, everything else on their menu). I found this beautiful wedge disappointing. I think that a few things contributed to my disappointment:

1. The pie had obviously been pre-cut and stored in a deep refrigerator. It was served near-frozen. This is one of the biggest turn offs for me. While I don't mind a chilled, pie, I really should haven't to cut my pie with a fork and knife. The cold state also negatively affect the state of the curd. The curd had hardened and became a terribly rich play dough-like consistency that made an unpleasant eating experience - it was like eating frozen paste - you had to let the curd melt in your mouth, which totally numbed the tastebuds... I couldn't taste the graham crust.

2. The curd was too sweet. Only when I studied the picture that I took of it did I noticed (but not at the time we ate it) that there appears to be something poured over the pie - like a sugar glaze (you can see it dripping down the sides of the pie). I wanted more of the key lime tang.

Am I convinced that Joe's Stone Crab has the best stone crabs? No. Am I convinced that they have the best key lime pie? Definitely not. Am I convinced they can do magical things with iceberg lettuce. Absolutely. Was I pleased with my overall experience at Joe's? As punch.

I can see Joe's becoming a special light lunch tradition if/when I visit South Beach in the future. Otherwise, I can be happy knowing I've been once.

  1. Frodnesor Nov 3, 2007 08:47 PM

    $34 for selects (a designation I've only seen at Joe's) is not very outrageous. While Joe's is more expensive than other places, stone crabs don't come cheap. And aside from the stone crabs, I don't think Joe's prices are outrageous at all. Salads are all around $7, most sides are about $6-7, if you don't want stone crabs you can get a fish for around $20ish ... all pretty darn reasonable actually.

    The selects, by the way, are how I almost always go. To me the meat is sweeter in the smaller crabs, and the selects my perfect balance between quality of the meat and work at picking the shells.

    I find the near-frozen consistency of their key lime pie refreshing though yours may have gone too far.

    Thanks for all the reports on your visit. Good stuff.

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    1. re: Frodnesor
      JenniferNaomi Jan 17, 2008 05:47 AM

      That's not bad, Sunday we paid $45 for large at Joe's.

    2. OysterHo Nov 4, 2007 05:39 AM

      Nice photos and review. I'm 47, born in Miami and I still haven't made it to Joe's yet. One day...

      Is select the smallest size available? Is that for a pound? Just trying to get a frame of reference.

      We had stone crabs last night at home. 6 or 8 (I forgot, too much bubbly) jumbo claws for $32.99/pound - 2.8 pounds. My SO wasn't able to finish, so I got to eat 1 1/2 more claws. :D My middle name is Champagne&StoneCrabHo. :D

      Anyway, they are expensive no matter what you do.

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      1. re: OysterHo
        Frodnesor Nov 4, 2007 06:23 AM

        Joe's has medium, select, large and jumbo in order of smaller to larger. Joe's prices orders by the piece rather than by the pound and you get 8, 7, 5, and 4 (I think) respectively. I have trouble converting what I visualize on the plate into pounds. In my experience the selects are much closer to the larges than the mediums.

        1. re: Frodnesor
          OysterHo Nov 5, 2007 05:20 AM

          Thanks! I never knew they had their own boats. That's pretty cool. I've got to get down there for lunch one day.

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        LargeLife Nov 4, 2007 07:59 AM

        I ate at Joe's this past Wednesday, I've eaten there many, many times and it's the most consistent finer eating establishments on the Eastern Seaboard. Joe's owns their own boats and actually sells Stone Crabs to other eateries. But for some strange reason, the Crabs don't taste the same anywhere else. We think it's the exacting temperature that the Crabs are served and most folks may not notice. The price isn't cheap but not expensive for selects when considering what you'd pay for a major chef's creation at a non-seafood restaurant. Yes, the atmosphere is usually electric and with eyes open you'd be surprised whom you might see. During last year's SoBe Wine & Food Festival, Paula Deen, Alton Brown and all the other food celebs waited out on the sidewalk just like everyone else! I had the keylime pie this past week and if anything they served it too cold but it was the same sweet and tart pie that I grew up with. The service is meticulous but during busy periods a bit forced so you're in and out perhaps a tad faster than you'd like. The chop salad remains awesome.

        During busy periods we go to Joe's Take Away which is right next door, fight for the table, eat the crabs and get away without the $60 tip. They also have a very large selection of salads and desserts that are not available in the dining room at Joe's. Still a south Florida landmark that's just as good now as it was 5 decades ago.

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          tpigeon Nov 4, 2007 08:24 AM

          This is 100% accurate.

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            Auger Nov 4, 2007 08:14 PM

            Does anyone know if the hours for the Take Away on the website is correct? Open at 7:30 am? I've never had Joe's and am kinda busy during the day, but if I can pick them up in the morning and stash them in the fridge, that'd be great

            1. re: Auger
              Frodnesor Nov 4, 2007 08:48 PM

              I've never tried it but I know they do breakfast so they must be open. Not sure whether or not they've already got claws cracked at that early hour.

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            JulieF Nov 5, 2007 07:19 AM

            If you're up further north and not looking for an upscale atmosphere, but want stone crabs, don't overlook Catfish Dewey's on Andrews between Oakland Park and Commercial blvd.
            We were just there on Saturday. We never made it to their "all you can eats" (39.95/59.95/79.95 for medium/large/jumbo) respectively. You can start out with one pound or two pounds and always upgrade if you want more. This includes hushpuppies, coleslaw or salad and potato choice. We did the two pounds of large (8 very large claws -- and wound up taking two home each) that come with mustard sauce. The cost that night was $45 for the two pounds. (Think one pound large that night was $29.95)As the kitchen was backed up a bit, we were given two full baskets for the table -- one with lightly battered shrimp and one with fried oysters -- just to "tide us over"!
            So if you in jeans, live in lauderdale, and don't feel like waiting in outrageous lines....

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            1. re: JulieF
              OysterHo Nov 5, 2007 11:05 AM

              Do you have to eat the sides or can you wait with fork in hand for the next round of crab claws? :D

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                JulieF Nov 15, 2007 12:14 PM

                No you don't have to eat the sides...can wait with fork in hand....

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                  OysterHo Nov 16, 2007 10:47 AM

                  wOOt!

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              sprmario Nov 5, 2007 12:40 PM

              I like the manhattan clam chowder a lot from Joe's... my fiance and i like to get a chowder, an order of selects, a side of some sort and the lobster appetizer which has half a lobster and a big mound of lump crab meat on top.

              We generally eat sitting at the take out... make a nice $70 meal.

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                dlgc Nov 5, 2007 01:03 PM

                Joes remains the same through out the years my family has been dining there( 50 or some). We had dinner there last sunday and the crabs were awsome as always. Their lobster is great as is the chopped steak, and a bargain as well. The service never changes, always great. We have never had a bad meal at Joes and have probably tried every item on their menu.Don't forget the fried chicken it's the best in town.

                1. re: dlgc
                  ulterior epicure Nov 5, 2007 05:25 PM

                  Fried chicken? Geez, what on their menu is not claimed to be the best? LoL!

              2. dmfnole Nov 6, 2007 11:49 AM

                Next time you go try their sides of hashed browns and Joe's grilled tom. with the spinach topping. That should be a little better than the salad.

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                1. re: dmfnole
                  lax2mia Nov 6, 2007 11:53 AM

                  Their hash browns are a super-greasy soggy mess.

                  As for the grilled tomatoes, one night after getting sticker shock from ordering a large order of creamed spinach, we decided to make our own. You'd be surprised how easy it is to top three slices of tomato with creamed spinach and American cheese and broil it.

                  1. re: lax2mia
                    Miami Danny Nov 6, 2007 01:01 PM

                    Ouch!

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                      dlgc Nov 6, 2007 04:34 PM

                      When you feel like having hash browns at Joes ask for them to be drained and on a dry plate, yummy!

                      1. re: lax2mia
                        dmfnole Nov 7, 2007 06:23 AM

                        I must have tried both these things on their multiple "off" days of when the hash browns weren't a soggy mess and the cream spinach was piping hot served on top the delectable tomatoes and the cheese du jor was not American. Sorry you had a different experience lax2mia

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                          lax2mia Nov 7, 2007 06:59 AM

                          It wasn't one experience. I go there all the time during season! Their hash brown potatoes are always greasy. I'll skip a couple of visits and not order them then I'll give in and they're greasy again. dmf-can you let me know when you go since you seem to have better luck than me!

                          1. re: lax2mia
                            taiga Nov 7, 2007 10:33 AM

                            If it's so bad, why do you go all the time?

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                              lax2mia Nov 7, 2007 10:37 AM

                              I didn't say everything was bad, did I?

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                                dlgc Nov 7, 2007 01:38 PM

                                We have been eating at Joes every Sunday night for the past 10-15 years and the hash browns are great, crispy on top and creamy in the middle. I don't understand your complaint. Ask for them to be dry and well done, it's very easy, and they always are so eager to please... If you don't enjoy your expierence there why do you go back...They haven't been in business for this long not to be serving a quality product.

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                                  theflytyr Nov 7, 2007 02:07 PM

                                  lax2mia, you didn't say anything was good either. Read the tone of your message. Personally I never had the experience you have had with the hash browns. Not to say it didn't happen, just never had it. Maybe you should follow the others on this boards recs about ordering them "high & dry" and see how you like them.

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                                    Veggo Nov 7, 2007 05:06 PM

                                    By the way, the Restaurant is "Joes Stone Crab". It's not "Joes Tater Tots". If you want spuds, call J.R. Simplot in Idaho or better, go visit there. Gimme claws, pagne, something key-limey, and I'm double done.

                                    1. re: theflytyr
                                      lax2mia Nov 8, 2007 05:34 AM

                                      So if I don't order them "high and dry" then they assume I want them "wet and greasy"?

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                                        theflytyr Nov 8, 2007 07:57 AM

                                        Personally I never expect anyone to "assume" anything, but since you said they were "always greasy" I was just making a suggestion to possibly insure you don't get them greasy. Personally I could care less what you do!!

                        2. Rimtalay Nov 7, 2007 06:14 PM

                          Beautiful pictures. Can you tell me more about your camera & its setting, lens, etc. Your pictures look good enough to be in a foodie magazine.

                          My wife & I love Joe's. Take Away is great. Grab a couple orders of select claws and have a picnic at Government Cut. Fried chicken & lobster salad also very good.

                          1. JenniferNaomi Nov 8, 2007 05:07 AM

                            We had a fantastic experience at Joe's last week- see http://www.andtheeggs.net/2007/10/joe... and scroll down to the Joe's entry. The waiter recommended the large crab claws, hash browns and the key lime pie, but we ended up with much more. Pictures also on that site. Enjoy- I highly recommend Joe's. You can find stone crab claws elsewhere, maybe for a few bucks less, but in the end, Joe's is just simply worth it. You'll end up back there!

                            1. netmover Nov 10, 2007 10:39 AM

                              I got a nice Greek Salad with a lightly Blackened Grouper at Joe's Takeaway this week for just 11 bux! In and out of there in twenty minutes feeling mighty fulfilled. Who says Joe's is expensive? Obviously, their crabs are...but everything else is very reasonable.

                              LAX maybe you should try their Lyonaise potatoes, you may like them better? I know I do, and their Sweet Potatoe Fries are SICK! Other than that, I want NO part of this Potatoe War!!!

                              TG4JOE's

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                              1. re: netmover
                                AdrienneJane Nov 16, 2007 09:04 PM

                                Wow, those shots are georgous!!! For the uninitiated, how do stone crab claws differ from, say, king crab? Is it Floridian?

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                                  crewsweeper Jan 17, 2008 03:46 PM

                                  We sampled Joe's ware's last week. First time. Did the early bird dining experience. Definitely didn't have the best waiter or tale in the joint but had all 3 types of potatoes. Sweet fries were the best, but no quibbles on the has browns or lyonaised. I had a small order of stone crabs. Plenty of meat for me. Crab cakes were reported to be good by others in the party. A Knob Creek on the rocks at the bar before hand helped improve the experience. If we're ever over the causeway again, I think we'll take an early right to Tuscan.

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