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Salad size, fork size

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Karen_Schaffer Oct 21, 2007 09:58 PM

My DH and I have a mild, ongoing disagreement over fork choices in certain situations. Now please note, this is not in formal dinners, just casual meals for the two of us. So this isn't a heavy duty ettiquette question, nor is it even a big deal, but I'm just curious if others have thought about it.

The basic disagreement is that if we're having salad, even if it's a large, full meal salad, his first instinct is to put out salad forks for us. My feeling is that if the salad is on a dinner plate or large bowl, then I want a fork that's sized appropriately for the plate/bowl, i.e., a dinner fork. A salad fork just seems too small to me.

Now it's no big deal, as I say -- after all, I can use a dinner fork and he can use a salad fork. But I'm curious what other people's reasoning and decisions are regarding the implement for large salads.

Bonus question: what implement do you use if it's a side salad but served on a big plate, like a sandwich with a side of coleslaw or green salad?

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  1. babette feasts RE: Karen_Schaffer Oct 22, 2007 01:56 AM

    Hmmm, what size is your mouth?

    I could see how a dinner salad might feel more like dinner with a dinner fork, or that aesthetics of tableware might affect your enjoyment of the meal, but I think that as a practical matter I find eating salad with a smaller fork easier, less chance of stabbing myself in the lip with a huge fork (I inherited my father's pouty little mouth).

    1. rockandroller1 RE: Karen_Schaffer Oct 22, 2007 05:52 AM

      At home, I eat ALL my meals with a salad fork. I too have a kind of small mouth and in general find a "regular" fork to be too big. One of the things I hate about going to chain restaurants are the giant utensils. There are places that give you a spoon the size of a serving spoon as your soup spoon!

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        meatn3 RE: rockandroller1 Oct 22, 2007 10:52 AM

        Me too! Big utensils sometimes result in not pretty situations...

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          OCEllen RE: meatn3 Oct 22, 2007 10:56 PM

          Another 'small mouth' here! Sometimes the 'tools' are big enough for Godzilla!

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          mpjmph RE: rockandroller1 Mar 3, 2011 08:40 AM

          I also prefer small utensils. I have an average size mouth, but small hands, and it's easier to handle smaller forks.

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          laurendlewis RE: Karen_Schaffer Oct 22, 2007 08:44 AM

          I would put out a regular fork for a large salad but a salad fork for a pre-entree/small salad.
          However, I would also put out a soup spoon for soup, cereal, etc... and my hubbie (my 6'4" very tall, big mouth hubbie) loathes soup spoons and never uses them. So I guess it is preference.

          Would you ask for a different size if you were at a dinner party or someone's house vs a restaurant? Just curious...

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            tubman RE: Karen_Schaffer Oct 22, 2007 08:59 AM

            Somewhere along the line, cutlery manufacturers lost sight of what a real salad fork is: one with a wider left-most tine to make cutting of your salad fixin's easier with just the fork. Somehow, it has now evolved into a shorter, lighter version of a dinner fork. At most restaurants I've been to lately, a duplicate dinner fork does the duty for your salad course.

            A salad fork's size is perfect for our young kids at home. Personally, I like the balance and feel of a dinner fork in my fairly large hands, regardless of what course I'm actually eating.

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              cayjohan RE: tubman Oct 22, 2007 02:14 PM

              Absolutely agree, tubman, on the modern salad fork issue. I did have an old, old set of tableware from my grandmother, and the salad forks were exactly as you described.

              I personally don't like the short handle/short tine salad forks, possibly because I have larger hands, possibly because I don't like the mechanics of the short handle when eating a voluminous salad. And maybe I just associate the small fork with the settings we used for our kids when they were small. The whole tool just "feels wrong" to my hand.

              I am entranced by the pageantry of the formal place setting like a crow with a shiny object, but I still can't feel comfortable eating with too diminutive a utensil. For my real life, it's dinner forks for both courses.

              Sigh...Still love those little demitasse spoons, however!

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                Essengut RE: tubman Mar 3, 2011 08:25 AM

                Cutlery manufacturers used to make salad forks that were more functional in another respect. Oneida (Flight pattern) is the only one that I can find that still makes one tine on the salad fork with a sharper point, the purpose of which is to stab unruly leaves, small vegetables (like tomatoes), or soft fruits that are difficult to get onto the fork. The salad fork really should be not so much smaller than the dinner fork that it is hard to hold with large fingers but still distinguishable from it. One absurdity in the traditional placement of the place setting is the fact that the salad fork is usually on the left but since most of us are right-handed (about 70%) we use it in the right hand. This is the best way to make use of the sharper tine on the Oneida fork mentioned above due to its placement on the fork. See the attached.
                Guten Appetit!

                 
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                Karen_Schaffer RE: Karen_Schaffer Oct 22, 2007 09:29 AM

                That's interesting, I've never thought about the tines to mouth size relationship before. Although I just checked my set, and the tine widths are virtually identical. The salad fork tines and handle are shorter, but that's it.

                Now I realize it's the handle size relative to the large plate or bowl that sways me in my choice. I like having a longer handled implement for the larger dish.

                1. steakman55 RE: Karen_Schaffer Oct 22, 2007 04:18 PM

                  I keep seeing the abbreviation "DH" in these posts but cannot guess its meaning. Help??

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                    Karen_Schaffer RE: steakman55 Oct 22, 2007 04:36 PM

                    DH = Dear Husband

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                      steakman55 RE: Karen_Schaffer Oct 22, 2007 09:01 PM

                      Thanks!

                  2. MMRuth RE: Karen_Schaffer Oct 22, 2007 04:39 PM

                    My mother always uses the smaller, luncheon sized knife and fork for her meals. I prefer the larger ones, but I find nothing wrong with doing one or the other at home.

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                      beevod RE: Karen_Schaffer Oct 23, 2007 06:55 AM

                      Eat salad with tongs. Easier and you get more in your mouth.

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                        2m8ohed RE: beevod Oct 23, 2007 07:50 PM

                        Actually, I find that chopsticks are best for salads. Not kidding. But most of the time for lunch or dinner at my house it's dinner forks for the adults, salad forks for the kids, unless my 4 year old son with a tiny mouth is setting the table. He thinks everyone deserves a big fork.

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                          PegS RE: 2m8ohed Mar 10, 2011 09:23 AM

                          I always use chopsticks for salad if I can get away with it. Certainly I use chopsticks at home.

                      2. Kajikit RE: Karen_Schaffer Mar 11, 2011 04:48 AM

                        It's a three bears situation. If you set a regular-sized fork into a small side salad bowl, gravity will most likely spill the fork right out again because the handle is too long and it sticks way out the side of the bowl. If you set a smaller salad fork into or onto a dinner plate/BIG bowl of salad, it'll fall right in and disappear because the handle is too small to reach the rim.

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