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What bourbon are you drinking these days?

SauceSupreme Oct 14, 2007 12:38 AM

My favorite of the moment is Wathens. Unfortunately, I killed the bottle at my local watering hole, but that just meant that they poured me something else (I was introduced to Blanton's this evening and was duly impressed.)

So which bourbon are you reaching for?


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  1. ccbweb RE: SauceSupreme Oct 14, 2007 11:14 AM

    I'm back onto Knob Creek right now. And a bottle of 18 yo Sazerac Rye.

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      greglor RE: ccbweb Nov 15, 2007 12:17 PM

      Woodford Reserve. Most excellent bourbon.

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        nissenpa RE: greglor Jan 8, 2008 08:37 AM

        Agreed. WR has to be one of the best out there.

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        sirregular RE: ccbweb Jan 9, 2008 02:32 PM

        Anything from the Small Batch distillery portion of Jim Beam is downright excellent. I've come to enjoy Baker's and Basil Hayden's a bit more than Knob Creek, but one would hope so with the price difference. They are both some of the smoothest, deepest-flavored bourbons that I have tasted.

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        zin1953 RE: SauceSupreme Oct 14, 2007 11:34 AM

        The Wathen's website doesn't say much, does it? Check out http://www.ellenjaye.com/medley.htm for much more info on Wathen's Single Barrel Bourbon Whiskey.

        For more on Blanton's, check out http://www.ellenjaye.com/ancientage.htm

        And for KNob Creek, http://www.ellenjaye.com/makers-beam.htm

        1. MC Slim JB RE: SauceSupreme Oct 14, 2007 06:28 PM

          Tried a bottle of Bulleit recently, thought that was pretty decent, had some good character for the price. Now that fall has returned to New England, I'm also mixing Maker's Mark into unpasteurized sweet cider on a regular basis.

          Mostly, thought, I'm drinking straight rye when I want a whiskey these days.

          I also bought a bottle of the Wild Turkey Honey Liqueur not long ago, which is bourbon based. I found it cloyingly sweet and syrupy, along the lines of a Drambuie without as much herbal/spice interest. An interesting experiment, but not something I would buy again.

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            Eric in NJ RE: MC Slim JB Oct 14, 2007 06:45 PM

            I've been a bourbon drinker for years. Never got into the high end stuff unless I go out. At home I always just bought Jim Beam, but awhile back the price started going up and I gave Evan Williams a try and have pretty much stuck to it. I actually like it better and at 10 bucks a bottle cheaper it sealed the deal.

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              MC Slim JB RE: Eric in NJ Oct 15, 2007 05:50 AM

              I'll have to give Evan Williams a shot. Bulleit is only about $15-20, so a pretty good value, in my book. Nice-looking packaging for a bottle that isn't priced like a super-premium, too.

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                Sgt Snackers RE: MC Slim JB Nov 16, 2007 02:58 PM

                As for rye, what do folks recommend? I just finished a bottle of Michter's US1 Straight Rye (and posting to Chowhound ... woo hoo!)

                1. re: Sgt Snackers
                  JMF RE: Sgt Snackers Nov 20, 2007 05:04 AM

                  Rittenhouse, Sazerac, and Old Overholt. I think the Anchor offerings are way overpriced.

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                    cornFusion RE: Sgt Snackers Dec 1, 2007 11:55 AM

                    I like the Jim Beam Rye (yellow label) and their high-end "baker's" rye.

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                      japhyryder RE: cornFusion Dec 15, 2007 10:02 AM

                      i had a tough time w/ the yellow label, but i'm a big fan of basil hayden's

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                      corneygirl RE: Sgt Snackers May 15, 2009 03:49 PM

                      Templeton Rye, supposed to be made with a recipe that was Al Capones favorite. Delicious.

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                        tanker64 RE: corneygirl Dec 22, 2013 12:53 PM

                        Can't say enough about Templeton Rye. Great stuff

                  2. re: Eric in NJ
                    kchurchill5 RE: Eric in NJ May 12, 2009 05:10 PM

                    A bourbon gal. Like Beam, Evan, love Makers, tried some high end, but can't afford it. Many friends are Bourbon drinkers so high end I can't afford. Makers is good, but Evan every day is fine. Jack now and then.

                    Raised in Dearborn Detroit MI, but still a country gal. Shots of Jack with a beer chaser. Bea Rye or Jack Raye someone mentioned, not bad either. Knob is ok too.

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                      Ron Slovan RE: Eric in NJ May 10, 2011 06:40 PM

                      Jim Beam Distillers Series is a 7 yr old whisky bottled at 90 proof. I buy it at Sam's Club for $9.81 a bottle. It is better than regular JB, as good as JB Black, and I think they may be using that for the Costco bourbon. JB is okay. Wild Turkey is okay, Jack Daniels is only good in coke. I like Wild Turkey Rare Breed, Blantons, Eagle Rare 17 yr old, Stagg, Pappy VanWinkel, Jefferson something, 1792 or something like that. Oh yeah, Four Roses has several in the $25-40 range worth taking a look at. I like to try different bourbons. I have approx. 10 bottles in my cabinet. I don't drink bourbon every nite but maybe after a full meal or when company is over. The Costco bourbon is decent and if they didn't see where it came from I am sure they would drink it down and accept a refill! Sounds like some people who write reviews are bourbon snobs. There is bourbon I do not like - anything from Evan Williams. Do not like it at all.

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                      JMF RE: MC Slim JB Oct 24, 2007 05:25 AM

                      Here's my thoughts on WT Honey: http://www.slashfood.com/2007/08/29/l...

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                        itsrob RE: MC Slim JB Nov 14, 2007 05:42 AM

                        Bulleit is by far my bourbon of choice these days. It has a bold flavor but is still smooth, which is really hard to pull off. My local store has it for about the same price as a bottle of Makers Mark or Knob Creek.

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                          cosmogrrl RE: itsrob Dec 31, 2012 05:38 PM

                          Here in SF I get Bulleit (both the rye and the bourbon) for $20.99, but MM is about $27. I really enjoy the Bulleit more.

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                            hawkeyeui93 RE: cosmogrrl Jan 2, 2013 09:27 AM

                            I can get Bulleit Bourbon for about $5-8 less than Maker's Mark [and I think it is better as well].

                        2. re: MC Slim JB
                          joypirate RE: MC Slim JB Dec 16, 2007 09:38 AM

                          Somebody bought me a shot of the honey liqueur on my 21st birthday and I haven't seen it anywhere since. I remember thinking the same thing.

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                          Captain RE: SauceSupreme Oct 15, 2007 06:38 AM

                          Only bourbon I had in months is a Hirsch. Truly nectar suitable for a God.

                          That should change, as I really do not drink much of any whiskey from May to November.

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                            SauceSupreme RE: Captain Oct 15, 2007 07:37 AM

                            That should change also due to the Hirsch distillery having closed a few years back. From what I understand, it's the current stock and that's it.

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                              Captain RE: SauceSupreme Oct 15, 2007 12:32 PM

                              The distillery is closed, and it has been clseod for a long time. I think there is still enough that you could find a few bottles around. I recall reading that a goood amount of it's final products was stashed away for sale at some time in the future. I think that time began a few years ago, but think it's still available. When the supply will run out is not something I can tell you.

                              Anyway, I have two unopened bottles, so it should be a while before I run out.

                              Otherwise, you may soon find me drinking Van Winkle or Evan Williams, some single malts, or Irish whiskey, particularly Red Breast and Green Spot, is a favorite. I was lucky enough to have sips of both that were made in the now closed Bow Street Distillery, which is now a museum in Dublin. That ancient Green Spot was heaven.

                              Evan Williams is to me taste a good product that is reasonably priced. Van Winkle's whiskeys are almsot always very good.

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                                JMF RE: Captain Oct 24, 2007 05:27 AM

                                I have a few bottles of the old Hirsch but I think it's mostly marketing hype. New Hirsch is available but that's even more marketing hype.

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                                  Captain RE: JMF Oct 24, 2007 06:56 AM

                                  I agree about the new Hirsch, but the old stuff I really like.

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                                  BourbonHQ RE: Captain Nov 8, 2007 07:08 AM

                                  My current favorite daily pour is W.L. Weller 12 year old 90 proof in their new bottle. Also, Four Roses single barrel 100 proof is very good. A few others I rotate are Old Bardstown 90, Elmer T. Lee 90 and Buffalo Trace 90.

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                                    sionilli69 RE: Captain Nov 29, 2007 05:36 PM

                                    Note to Captain and Sauce Supreme. If you might be interested in trading or selling your old bottles of Hirsch, let me know. I've always heard about it, but never tried it.

                                    Thanks and sorry if this isn't allowed, I'm new. I found this thread by searching for Hirsch.

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                                      JMF RE: sionilli69 Dec 1, 2007 04:58 AM

                                      You can order the 16 year online at Astor for $ 117 a bottle plus shipping.


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                                        sionilli69 RE: JMF Dec 5, 2007 07:00 AM

                                        Thanks for the info!

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                                          Captain RE: sionilli69 Jan 8, 2008 06:10 AM

                                          I bought my bottles as Astor, linked above. I've had it at the bar in a few places in NYC. Not trading either bottle.

                              2. Spiritchaser RE: SauceSupreme Oct 15, 2007 06:45 AM

                                Ridgemont Reserve 1792. Just shy of 100 proof but it is smooth. I've probably tried at least a dozen different bourbons within the last year and this ranks up with the best.

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                                  ricepad RE: SauceSupreme Oct 15, 2007 11:28 AM

                                  Rock Hill Farms 100 proof is what I'm drinking mostly, but when I can talk my friend into pouring HIS bourbon, we drink Pappy van Winkle Family Reserve.

                                  1. Cookiefiend RE: SauceSupreme Oct 15, 2007 12:34 PM

                                    Old Rip Van Winkle.

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                                      cor RE: SauceSupreme Oct 15, 2007 01:54 PM

                                      Maker's Mark.

                                      I wasn't overly impressed with Blanton's when I tried it.

                                      1. sku RE: SauceSupreme Oct 15, 2007 06:50 PM

                                        Anything by Buffalo Trace: Eagle Rare, Blanton's, Weller, Buffalo Trace.

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                                          janeann11 RE: SauceSupreme Oct 15, 2007 09:08 PM

                                          I was introduced to Bulleit awhile back and found it very sippable on the rocks. I have Maker's and Knob Creek in the bar depending on what mood strikes me. Of course, there's VO whiskey for a highball, too. I have others, but if I list them all you'll think I'm a brown-liquor lush.

                                          I'm intrigued by the Maker's Mark and cider, yummy. I recently came across an restaurant article in Sunset Magazine that mentioned a cocktail with Maker's and peach liquer (no recipe). I tried to mix my own without success. Any suggestions?

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                                            chazzerking RE: janeann11 Oct 15, 2007 09:19 PM

                                            If you like the cider thing, I do a drink I've invented called a NorManhattan that's 2 parts good bourbon, one part Calvados and 1/2 part Liquer de Pomme (French Apple Liquer). Stir over ice and serve up in a martini glas with a thin wedge of tart apple. It's not sweet, but has a strong essence of apple

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                                              dcatwater RE: chazzerking Oct 16, 2007 09:50 PM

                                              Ratio of cider to whiskey? I would like to try this combo....

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                                                MC Slim JB RE: dcatwater Oct 16, 2007 10:04 PM

                                                The way I do it is a highball: about 1.5-2 oz whiskey to 5-6 oz of cider on plenty of ice. A dash of Angostura bitters is an interesting addition to this drink.

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                                                  chazzerking RE: dcatwater Oct 17, 2007 07:09 AM

                                                  I like it 1 to 1. The bitters idea sounds good, although I'd try some orange bitters.

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                                              chazzerking RE: SauceSupreme Oct 15, 2007 09:15 PM

                                              Van Winkle family reserve, Blanton's, woodford, Rock Hill, Booker's, Turkey single barrel, Bulleit, Basil Hayden,Eagle Rare, Weller Antique. then I switch to Rye. I get bored drinking the same thing all the time.

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                                                lennox53 RE: SauceSupreme Oct 15, 2007 10:17 PM

                                                I'll second Bulleit and add to that Elijah Craig 12. It's my favorite and an incredible bargain.

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                                                  Spiritchaser RE: lennox53 Oct 16, 2007 05:17 AM

                                                  I found Bulleit to be on the watery side, seemed like it lacked body (but that's just my opinion).

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                                                    lennox53 RE: Spiritchaser Oct 16, 2007 09:08 PM

                                                    Really? Do you drink it neat? That's how I like to take mine. To be honest, I find some bourbons to be almost oversaturated with flavor. Too sweet, too woody, too much of everything. Knob Creek is especially guilty of this.

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                                                      Spiritchaser RE: lennox53 Oct 17, 2007 04:27 AM

                                                      Usually neat but occasionally with one rock. I agree with your comment on the overly done bourbons (if it is done poorly), the usual offense is in the sweetness category, yuck. I have NO LOVE for Knob Creek, it strikes me as a Hyundai trying to be a Porsche by putting on decals.

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                                                        lennox53 RE: Spiritchaser Oct 17, 2007 09:01 PM

                                                        Haha, well put. Yet so many people swear by it.

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                                                          japhyryder RE: Spiritchaser Nov 1, 2007 03:52 PM

                                                          i like knob creek. i like it with an ice cube or two in the summer or neat and really slow in the winter. i have had any number of bourbon's, there's a great bar in worcester, ma (o'conner's), where they have a great bourbon selection. but to each his own.

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                                                          frankiii RE: lennox53 Dec 3, 2007 06:21 AM

                                                          I love Knob Creek but I can see why people might find it to be too much. I would say that the sweetness is balanced out by the heavy woody or buttery flavor. Without this balance I think it would be too sweet.

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                                                            sisterfunkhaus RE: lennox53 Jan 6, 2013 05:55 PM

                                                            I find all bourbons to be too flavorful, almost sickeningly vanilla and sweet. I do like Irish Whiskey though.

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                                                              TombstoneShadow RE: sisterfunkhaus Jan 6, 2013 09:44 PM

                                                              There's no shortage of very "dry" bourbons... try basic JD black for starters... I just find that dry bourbons tend to be very harsh, not nearly as interesting neat as scotch or old Irish.

                                                        3. re: lennox53
                                                          itsrob RE: lennox53 Nov 14, 2007 05:45 AM

                                                          Last time I was in Louisville and drinking at a well-stocked bourbon bar the bartender highly recommended the Elijah Craig 12 and I cannot disagree. It seems to be a bit hard to come by at my local shop (which is crazy, because I can get Bulleit), but its good stuff.

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                                                            NYChristopher RE: lennox53 Jan 16, 2008 09:35 PM

                                                            Elijah Craig ... sooooooooo underrated. Buy. More. NOW!

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                                                              NYChristopher RE: NYChristopher Feb 22, 2008 08:03 PM

                                                              After two rather medicinal bottles and an inordinate amount of time spent at straightbourbon.com, I feel compelled to retract my endorsement. I'm a big wine guy, and the term I would use to describe my experience is the same I would use with wine: bottle variation.

                                                              Instead, I have been drinking Old Grand-Dad Bonded. No complaints.

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                                                                Joe Blowe RE: NYChristopher Mar 1, 2008 11:07 AM

                                                                "Instead, I have been drinking Old Grand-Dad Bonded. No complaints."

                                                                Get yourself a bottle of the much more flavorful (IMHO) OGD 114. Then you'll be complaining about the 100 proof! ;-)

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                                                                  NYChristopher RE: Joe Blowe Apr 8, 2008 09:13 PM

                                                                  Thanks for the tip, I'll keep an eye out for it.

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                                                            davebough RE: SauceSupreme Oct 16, 2007 07:04 AM

                                                            I like most Bourbons. I think one of the great things about Bourbon is the variety of tastes. Even the cheap ones are often very good. Mostly drinking Buffalo Trace and Old Crow right now.

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                                                              charlesbois RE: SauceSupreme Oct 16, 2007 07:33 AM

                                                              Same as I've always drunk, 10 year old George Dickel.

                                                              I took part in an impromptu bourbon tasting at the Mimosa Grill in Charlotte, North Carolina. Paired with a meal of rabbit brochette, the Dickel left the Makers Mark, Bookers, Baker's and Elijah Craig in the dust.

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                                                                MC Slim JB RE: charlesbois Oct 16, 2007 08:07 AM

                                                                I imagine you know Dickel is a Tennessee whiskey, not a bourbon. Same for Jack Daniels, though I often see it poured when bourbon is requested.

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                                                                  charlesbois RE: MC Slim JB Oct 16, 2007 08:08 AM

                                                                  nope, sure didn't. thanks.

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                                                                    MC Slim JB RE: charlesbois Oct 16, 2007 08:22 AM

                                                                    I'm not sure how meaningful the distinction is beyond the "controlled origin" nature of the term bourbon, which legally can only be applied to whiskeys made in Bourbon County, KY, with a mash bill of least 51% corn (70% is more common), distilled to no more than 160 proof before being diluted again to potability, and aged in charred new-oak barrels for at least two years (most makers age for at least four). I imagine Dickel could use all these methods, but being over the state line, still couldn't call their whiskey "bourbon". Jack Daniels adds a charcoal filtration step prior to barrel aging that's definitely outside the spec.

                                                                    I remember trying Dickel and liking it a lot. I think my bar could use a bottle of it. Thanks for the reminder!

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                                                                      sku RE: MC Slim JB Oct 16, 2007 09:15 AM

                                                                      Actually, that's a popular misconception. There is no restriction that bourbon be made in Kentucky. Bourbon can be made anywhere in the US. It must be, as you state, at least 51% corn and aged in new, charred oak barrels.

                                                                      While the term Bourbon comes from Bourbon County, Kentucky, no bourbon is currently made within the county.

                                                                      The reason Tennessee whiskey is not technically Bourbon is because of the sugar maple charcoal filtering you refer to, known as the Lincoln County Process.

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                                                                        MC Slim JB RE: sku Oct 16, 2007 09:18 AM

                                                                        Excellent info!

                                                                        Do you happen to know if TN whiskeys like Dickel and JD use bourbon-like mash bills?

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                                                                          sku RE: MC Slim JB Oct 16, 2007 11:32 AM

                                                                          They do, indeed. But for the charcoal filtering, they would be Bourbon, and some argue that the filtering really shouldn't make a difference and the Tennessee whiskies should be considered Bourbon.

                                                                          Bourbon is defined by the federal regulations, but Tennessee Whiskey is not. Jack Daniels received, upon request, a letter from the Feds many years ago recognizing Tenn. as a distinct whiskey style.

                                                                          Whatever its legitimacy, the current arrangement seems to work well for all the parties involved. Jim Beam likes to call itself the world's best selling Bourbon, and they couldn't do that if top seller Jack was considered Bourbon. Meanwhile, Jack and George enjoy touting the sweet smoke imparted by sugar maple charcoal that makes Tenn. Whiskey special.

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                                                                            Captain RE: sku Oct 16, 2007 01:23 PM

                                                                            It's my recall that both Tennessee Whiskey and Bourbon are defined by NAFTA, although it's been years since I looked at NAFTA. If my memory is correct, NAFTA is federal law. I think both may also be defined in either the U.S. Code or the C.F.R., but I'm not sure.

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                                                                              Eric in NJ RE: Captain Oct 16, 2007 02:44 PM

                                                                              Here is a pdf from the ATF website it might clear up some of the discussion:


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                                                                              KevinB RE: sku May 5, 2009 07:03 PM

                                                                              I've always found Beam harsh and yet insipid compared to Jack or George. Like Wild Turkey too. But in Ontario, you can get very few bourbons (or Tennessee whiskies) at the government store.

                                                                              I remember going on a business trip to California 25 years ago. I had to stay over the weekend, so I stopped in at a liquor store. I was frankly amazed at the huge variety of bourbons available, so I got about 6 small bottles to do a taste test. I was only 28 at the time, and I guess I had a bit of a baby face, as the clerk asked me for ID. Deciding to play with him a bit, I handed over my Province of Quebec birth certificate. He studied it for a minute before exclaiming "Hey, this is all in French!". "Of course" I said, "I'm from Canada - everyone speaks French there!" (Not - not at all true). "Oh" he says. He studies it for another minute before saying "It doesn't have your picture on it!". "Of course not" I say, feigning exasperation. "I'm from Canada - everyone KNOWS everybody else there."

                                                                              Pause. "Oh, right" says the clerk, and wraps up my purchase. I chuckled all the way home.

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                                                                                NYChristopher RE: KevinB May 15, 2009 10:46 AM


                                                                        2. re: MC Slim JB
                                                                          SauceSupreme RE: MC Slim JB Oct 16, 2007 10:33 AM

                                                                          The proof limit also is only measured prior to barreling, and so some bourbons get bottled as 162 proof due to evaporation during the barreling process.

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                                                                            dinner belle RE: MC Slim JB Oct 16, 2007 03:06 PM

                                                                            My mama likes Dickel. And now, having written that, I'm picturing her in a rocking chair with a corncob pipe in her mouth!

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                                                                              whiskeyman RE: MC Slim JB May 10, 2011 11:44 AM

                                                                              It is true that bourbon can be made anywhere in the USA, legally, and is indeed made in about a dozen states. Tennessee Whiskey is bourbon; don't be fooled by the marketing hype. Dickel and Daniels use the Lincoln County process of filtering through charcoal but Pritchards does not; all 3 distilleries are of course in Tennessee, just a few miles from each other. Filtering does not alter the fact this is bourbon, from a legal definition standpoint; all it does is alter the flavor, as the filtering removes impurities. The original Bourbon County was huge....it included 36 present-day counties. When the white dog (aka white lightning) was shipped down the rivers to New Orleans in oak barrels, people liked the taste thanks to the 6 months the white dog spent in the barrels in transit, so they asked the distillers in Bourbon County to send more "bourbon county whiskey" in oak barrels; eventually the whiskey became "bourbon whiskey" and then later just "bourbon;" but make no mistake; it is all whiskey made from mostly corn, plus some rye, some malted barley, or wheat in lieu of the rye; most use no wheat of course, so most bourbons (including all 3 Tennessee bourbons) use the traditional recipes of corn, rye, and malted barley. The corn comes from Kentucky, Tennessee, and Indiana, for the most part, with the rye and barley coming from cold climates like Wisconsin and the Dakotas. The business about what state it comes from is a marketing ploy and is nothing more than an urban legend; you can look all this stuff up on the internet or you can spend a week on the Bourbon Trail like I just did; even the tourguides at Daniels will tell you their product is a bourbon. Regardless of the legal definitions, if it is a corn whiskey whose mash includes rye and barley or wheat and barley, it is a bourbon; there is no other option except via semantics.

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                                                                                zin1953 RE: MC Slim JB May 10, 2011 04:38 PM

                                                                                Legal Definition of various whiskies, according to the TTB (the branch of the Treasury Department responsible for regulating the production, naming, and sale of all alcoholic beverages with the US): http://www.ttb.gov/spirits/bam/chapte...


                                                                                Bourbon Whisky
                                                                                • Whisky produced in the U.S. at not exceeding 80% alcohol by volume (160 proof) from a fermented mash of not less than 51 percent corn and stored at not more than 62.5% alcohol by volume (125 proof) in charred new oak containers.

                                                                                Straight Bourbon Whisky
                                                                                • Bourbon whisky stored in charred new oak containers for 2 years or more;
                                                                                • “Straight Bourbon Whisky” may include mixtures of two or more straight bourbon whiskies provided all of the whiskies are produced in the same state.

                                                                                . . . and the list goes on.

                                                                        3. ted RE: SauceSupreme Oct 17, 2007 06:27 AM

                                                                          I had my booze mule (aka my wife) pick up a 1.75 of Buffalo Trace in TN over the weekend. I really like it, and that's enhanced by its unavailability in GA.

                                                                          Other than that, I'm a big fan of Rittenhouse Bonded Rye (note rye, not bourbon), which is a relatively-recent introduction here. And Evan Williams Single Barrel is a fabulous value. Lately, I've also tried Ancient Ancient Age, which was good for its price point, but you'd be silly to compare it to any of the $40+/bottles folks have mentioned. When you get into that stratospheric level, I'd reach for Booker's or George T Stagg first.

                                                                          Much as I want to, I've resisted the urge to drop $100 on a bottle of Hirsh, Rock Hill, Van Winkle Reserve et al. And honestly, a bottle of Cuervo La Familia is in line ahead of any of those.

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                                                                            MOREKASHA RE: ted Oct 18, 2007 01:45 PM

                                                                            Noahs' Mill. Very tasty, neat.

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                                                                            rollawaydadew RE: SauceSupreme Oct 26, 2007 11:45 AM

                                                                            Maker's or Knob Creek. Really like Sazerac, though I have not been able to find the 18 yr. Would like to try Old Potrero, but haven't been able to find it either.

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                                                                              zin1953 RE: rollawaydadew Oct 27, 2007 11:29 AM

                                                                              Where do you live?

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                                                                                rollawaydadew RE: zin1953 Oct 29, 2007 09:22 AM

                                                                                Long Island, NY

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                                                                                  sku RE: rollawaydadew Oct 29, 2007 07:53 PM

                                                                                  You should try ordering on-line from Park Avenue Liquors in NYC.


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                                                                                    zin1953 RE: rollawaydadew Oct 31, 2007 03:49 PM

                                                                                    Both are available in New York City (Manhattan); I can't speak for sources actually on LI.

                                                                                    You can always contact Anchor directly -- http://www.anchorbrewing.com/about_us... -- simply send them an email (info@anchorbrewing.com), and they will tell you who in New York State distributes Old Potrero. Then, a call to that company will let you know who in your area has the whiskey. If youdon't want to email, you can call/write them at:

                                                                                    Anchor Brewing Company
                                                                                    1705 Mariposa Street
                                                                                    San Francisco, CA 94107
                                                                                    T 415.863.8350
                                                                                    F 415.552.7094

                                                                                    The same is true for Sazerac Rye -- http://www.sazerac.com/products.html -- you can email them at info@sazerac.com or simply call/write to:

                                                                                    Sazerac Company, Inc.
                                                                                    803 Jefferson Highway
                                                                                    P.O. BOX 52821
                                                                                    New Orleans, LA 70121

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                                                                                      Captain RE: zin1953 Nov 1, 2007 06:54 AM

                                                                                      Both Sazerac and Potrero were at WhiskyFest on Tuesday night, and I've never seen a spirit offered there that was not for sale somewhere in New York. I am pretty sure both are available at Park Ave. Liquor, see: http://www.parkaveliquor.com/default.asp?, and also probably Astor Place, see: www.astoruncorked.com.

                                                                                      Among the bourbons and ryes I had the other night, I liked the Willet Rye and the Van Winkle Bourbon, of which I think I had the 21 year-old Pappy. No surprise on the later, I always like Van Winkle's products.

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                                                                                  cosmogrrl RE: rollawaydadew Dec 31, 2012 05:43 PM

                                                                                  I'm really not fond of Old Potrero, it has that faint hint of nail polish remover that I hate.

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                                                                                  cornFusion RE: SauceSupreme Nov 3, 2007 06:36 PM

                                                                                  My other half and I love manhattans in winter. We normally have a half-gallon of Maker's Mark for the mixing and a bottle of the old Hirsch 20 year old for sippin (and special celebrations like the 4th of July). Other high end whiskeys I love are:
                                                                                  - Wild Tuurkey (hic) "Rare Breed" (sipping)
                                                                                  - A. H. Hirsch 16 Year Old (sipping)
                                                                                  - WIld Turkey 101 (mixing)
                                                                                  - Booker's cask-strength (from Jom Beam - for good sipping after diluting with water or a good ginger ale)
                                                                                  - Jim Beam's Rye Whiskey (sippin - and this has a wonderful bready aroma/taste)
                                                                                  - Knob Creek (another Jim Beam product that's great for mixing and sipping)

                                                                                  1. SauceSupreme RE: SauceSupreme Nov 10, 2007 04:03 AM

                                                                                    I was able to try Elmer T Lee at dinner tonight here in Portland, and I have to say it's quite good. So I'll tack that onto the list. That's only because I told the barkeep that I like Wathens and they didn't have it, so they poured that instead. My dining companion noted that it wasn't as caramel-y as most bourbons, which is true, hence it exhibited a less viscous mouth-feel which I guess I find refreshing (I had never noticed that, to be honest, until she pointed it out).

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                                                                                      heWho RE: SauceSupreme Nov 10, 2007 07:53 AM

                                                                                      Thanks to the hounds on the Spirits board I'm drinking Diabolique: http://www.infusionique.com/ver06/dia...

                                                                                      It's bourbon infused with figs, cinnamon and vanilla bean. It's an excellent sipping whiskey and makes a really great manhattan

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                                                                                        Jimmy Buffet RE: SauceSupreme Nov 11, 2007 04:16 PM

                                                                                        Jim Beam Black. Bought a bottle as a result of several online pals recommending it highly. I have a bottle of Jim Beam white in the cabinet now. Looking forward to doing a comparison to see what kind of difference $3.00 a bottle makes....

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                                                                                          cornFusion RE: Jimmy Buffet Nov 12, 2007 03:36 PM

                                                                                          If you can find it, Jim Beam Yellow is also an outstanding sipper.

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                                                                                            lennox53 RE: cornFusion Nov 12, 2007 04:33 PM

                                                                                            You mean the rye?

                                                                                        2. SauceSupreme RE: SauceSupreme Nov 14, 2007 09:57 AM

                                                                                          A recent trip to Clyde Common in Portland introduced me to a great bottle - Elmer T Lee

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                                                                                            Jimmy Buffet RE: SauceSupreme Nov 16, 2007 07:41 PM

                                                                                            Also enjoying a bottle of Old Forrester. Recommended by folks on this board.

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                                                                                              bourbongal RE: SauceSupreme Nov 16, 2007 08:24 PM

                                                                                              Old Rip Van Winkle, Basil Hayden, and Booker Noe are all on my list of favorites. But I grew up near the Maker's Mark distillery so Maker's Mark is the taste of home for me. I still prefer it to most everything else.

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                                                                                                Jimmy Buffet RE: bourbongal Nov 17, 2007 06:47 PM

                                                                                                It IS good.

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                                                                                                  bourbongal RE: bourbongal Dec 27, 2007 07:43 PM

                                                                                                  Updating my own post: I just returned from a Christmas trip to Louisville, KY where I spent the night at the venerable Brown Hotel. The lobby bar has a great selection of premium bourbon, including most of those mentioned above. The bartender recommended the 18-year old single barrel Elijah Craig and it was outstanding -- I think maybe the best I've had

                                                                                                2. RalphErenzo RE: SauceSupreme Nov 23, 2007 11:04 AM

                                                                                                  You're all invited to try Hudson Baby Bourbon and Hudson Manhattan Rye. Made in the Hudson Valley of NY. Short aged, very tasty. A new direction in the old hand made tradition.

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                                                                                                    JMF RE: RalphErenzo Nov 26, 2007 05:41 AM

                                                                                                    I've tasted a few of Ralph's spirits and have found them all to be excellent. Real, well crafted, small batch, micro-distilled, artisanal spirits. Welcome to Chowhound Ralph!

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                                                                                                      rollawaydadew RE: RalphErenzo Nov 28, 2007 11:37 AM

                                                                                                      It is great stuff, however difficult to track down and somewhat pricey. I understand that the limited production contributes to the cost.

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                                                                                                        chazzerking RE: RalphErenzo Nov 28, 2007 08:54 PM

                                                                                                        I'm hooked.How does one obtain your product? By mail, or from what distributors?

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                                                                                                        DavidT RE: SauceSupreme Nov 28, 2007 02:10 PM

                                                                                                        The Dining & Wine Section of NY Times today (11/28/07) has an article on a tasting of an assortment of premium bourbons. You can find it online at www.nytimes.com

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                                                                                                          Cookiefiend RE: DavidT Nov 28, 2007 02:22 PM

                                                                                                          Thanks DavidT

                                                                                                          Interesting article!

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                                                                                                            DavidT RE: Cookiefiend Nov 28, 2007 05:13 PM

                                                                                                            To summarize the article's rankings:

                                                                                                            Pappy Van Winkle Family Reserve (20 years old, 90.4 proof) at $90 got the highest ranking. The next 3 were:

                                                                                                            Vintage 17 Years Old, 94 Proof @ $45
                                                                                                            Knob Creek, 9 Years Old, 100 Proof @ $35
                                                                                                            W.L. Weller Centennial, 10 Years Old, 100 Proof @$35

                                                                                                            Jim Beam Black, 8 Years Old, 86 Proof @ $20 was rated the Best Value.

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                                                                                                              StriperGuy RE: DavidT Jun 18, 2009 08:35 AM

                                                                                                              I'm a huge Jim Beam Black fan. Recently saw it for sale in Boston for $19.99 for 1.75L which is an insane deal.

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                                                                                                                kitsune RE: StriperGuy Jun 19, 2009 12:01 PM

                                                                                                                PLEASE let me know where in Boston you were able to come by it so cheaply! I've been after a bottle for some time and have been waiting to come across a good deal!

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                                                                                                                  StriperGuy RE: kitsune Jun 19, 2009 12:18 PM

                                                                                                                  I saw it at the liquor store at fresh pond next to Whole Foods but that was about a month ago. Lately they have had it for $29.99 for 1.75L which is still a "wicked bargain."

                                                                                                                  Give em a call to see if they still have it at a decent price:

                                                                                                                  Cambridge Wine & Spirits
                                                                                                                  202 Alewife Brook Pkwy, Cambridge - (617) 864-7171

                                                                                                        2. frankiii RE: SauceSupreme Dec 5, 2007 08:07 AM

                                                                                                          I have a bottle of Rowan's Creek, purchased about two weeks ago. It has a lot of character, seems almost raw in the sense that does not seem too cask mellowed. I have enjoyed it but it is pretty bracing and spicy.

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                                                                                                            MacArthur Mike RE: SauceSupreme Dec 5, 2007 10:25 AM

                                                                                                            was just given a bottle of Jefferson's Reserve for the holidays...hope it is good.

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                                                                                                              gettingbigger RE: SauceSupreme Dec 7, 2007 08:10 PM

                                                                                                              Definitely Pappy Van Winkle Family Reserve.

                                                                                                              1. joypirate RE: SauceSupreme Dec 16, 2007 09:46 AM

                                                                                                                The Van Winkle 12 has made me change my rule about buying a different kind of bourbon every time I refill. There are also random, inexplicable sales here in the state-run stores in Pennsylvania. It's got a surprising bit of 'floral' to it, and since cowboys sometimes have flowers on their shirts, that's ok with me.

                                                                                                                1. vickib RE: SauceSupreme Jan 5, 2008 06:11 PM

                                                                                                                  I tend to go with a couple which are very different from each other: Wild Turkey and Maker's.
                                                                                                                  Reading this thread, I bought a bottle of Bulleit.
                                                                                                                  Very soft, and easy to sip. The Turkey, I drink on the rocks, Bulleit, neat.

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                                                                                                                    Spiritsreview RE: vickib Jan 5, 2008 06:53 PM

                                                                                                                    Elmer T.Lee is a great Single Barrel from Buffalo Trace and is about 1/2 the cost of Rock Hill or Blantons. Current batches are around 14 years old.
                                                                                                                    Just about anything from Buffalo Trace is excellent but the Elmer has the best quality to price ratio in my opinion.
                                                                                                                    I also enjoy Ralph Erenzo's Hudson Baby Bourbon and hope to get my hands on some rye of his rye one of these days - heard from people I trust (or share the same taste with) that it was great too.

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                                                                                                                    tonabang RE: SauceSupreme Jan 7, 2008 12:25 PM

                                                                                                                    I recently started drinking George T Stagg and was impressed. Its uncut and the recent release was 144.8 proof.

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                                                                                                                      fussycouple RE: SauceSupreme Jan 9, 2008 03:12 AM

                                                                                                                      I'll have to chime in the with Pappy Van Winkle as my current favorite bourbon.

                                                                                                                      I also have Eagle Rare and Wild Turkey in my collection of American whiskies.

                                                                                                                      It's rare that someone will ask for bourbon and not like at least one of these three a lot, though I am not inclined to share my Pappy Van Winkle with people whose bo-nah-fi-des have not been established.

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                                                                                                                        Captain RE: fussycouple Jan 9, 2008 11:46 AM

                                                                                                                        Without bonafides established, certain bottles should never be exposed for even viewing. Unless I know you really know how to appreciate a good dram, you do not get to even look at my bottles of: Hirsch; Pappy Van Winkle; Van Winkle Family Reserve Rye; Ron Zacapa Centario; Green Spot; etc., etc. If you ask for a ______ and coke, I reach for things I would never drink myself. I applaud your discretion to not let the good stuff enter into unapppreciative or undeserving mouths.

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                                                                                                                          sku RE: Captain Jan 9, 2008 12:55 PM

                                                                                                                          While I understand your hesitation, I take the opposite tack. I love exposing people to new tastes and widening the horizons of what they think is Bourbon. The answer to, do you have Bourbon for me is...have you ever had Eagle Rare or Buffalo Trace, have you sipped a good Rye. More often then not, they never imagined Bourbon could taste that way and want to learn more...then maybe, after a few visits, they get at my stash of Pappy Van, Stagg or Elijah 18.

                                                                                                                          Lots of people seem to drink Bourbon and Coke because the only Bourbon they've ever tasted is crap.

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                                                                                                                            japhyryder RE: sku Jan 9, 2008 01:29 PM

                                                                                                                            my dad tells a funny story about his father in law, my grandfather, and scotch. both of them really like their scotch. and in the early 70's lived near each other. anyhow, my dad was having a party and he put out the "good scotch" (no one remember the exact bottle) and a bottle of dewar's at the bar. my grand father, a slight and gentlemanly man his whole life, rush across the room and grabbed the good bottle from a guest who was about to pour it into his coke. with all the indignance he could muster said, "you can put THAT in your coke, not THIS." gesturing to the dewar's.

                                                                                                                            it's the only story i know of him correcting someone publically, and i've given him more cause than the guest.

                                                                                                                            the previous posts reminded me of the story.

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                                                                                                                              Captain RE: japhyryder Jan 9, 2008 02:27 PM

                                                                                                                              It seems to me your grandfather was a wise man. He saved the good booze from being wasted and destroyed.

                                                                                                                              It seems to me someone who drinks coke as a mixed drink is a person who wants the effect of drinking wihtout the flavor of the spirit. I've introduced plenty of people to spirits I enjoy, but I have my limits.

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                                                                                                                                chazzerking RE: Captain Jan 10, 2008 06:06 PM

                                                                                                                                Especially anyone who would even think of putting Scotch, good or otherwise, in Coke. I shudder to think...

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                                                                                                                                  BarmyFotheringayPhipps RE: chazzerking Jan 10, 2008 06:15 PM

                                                                                                                                  Yes, what a waste of a perfectly good Coke. Bleah.

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                                                                                                                                    phantomdoc RE: chazzerking Aug 21, 2008 03:36 AM

                                                                                                                                    Johnnie Walker makes a scotch and coke in cans. I saw it on their website.

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                                                                                                                          uisgebeatha9 RE: SauceSupreme Jan 10, 2008 05:58 PM

                                                                                                                          I really like Bulleit bourbon. It's high rye content offers a nice, dry finish. It does well neat or on the rocks.

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                                                                                                                            chazzerking RE: SauceSupreme Jan 10, 2008 06:46 PM

                                                                                                                            I know this is kinda going off topic but there's plenty of other talk in this thread about Rye, and I just got a bottle of Hirsh 21 y/o for Christmas, and I like it a lot. Not quite as caramel-ly as Van Winkle 21, but very smooth and plenty of vanilla and spice in the nose. It drinks very well especially at this time of year.I also picked up a bottle of Black Maple Hill, but haven't opened it yet. Looking forward to trying that.

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                                                                                                                              tonabang RE: chazzerking Jan 12, 2008 06:27 PM

                                                                                                                              I have heard several people say they like the 16 year Hirsch better than the older ones. What are your thoughts? I've tried the 16 year and it is certainly one of my favorites but I haven't had the fortune of trying any of the other bottlings. I've read a few good reviews of Black Maple Hill. Let me know if you can recommend it.

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                                                                                                                                chazzerking RE: tonabang Jan 15, 2008 07:39 PM

                                                                                                                                Can't speak to the 16, only the 21, which is very very nice, as I said above. I tried the regular Hirsch(Ithink it's 7 y/o, but not sure about that) and it is pretty good, but to my taste, not as good as Rittenhouse, for a base rye. I haven't opened the Black Maple Hill yet , but will report back as soon as I do.

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                                                                                                                                  tonabang RE: chazzerking Jan 17, 2008 08:15 AM

                                                                                                                                  I obviously didn't read your post very closely as I thought you were referring to an older Hirsch bourbon. I didn't realize they made a 21 year old Rye. Does it say where it was distilled on the bottle? Maybe I'll be lucky enough to have Santa drop a bottle of Hirsch or Black Maple Hill this year.

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                                                                                                                                    Captain RE: tonabang Jan 17, 2008 08:43 AM

                                                                                                                                    Hirsch Bourbon that is worth spending some money on, IMO, is the stuff distilled at the Michter Distillery that was in Schaefferstown, PA and closed in 1988. To see some info, look at: http://www.hirschbourbon.com/html/his...

                                                                                                                                    Mtcher's made today is not, from what I recall, from the same distillery. It also is simply not as good.

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                                                                                                                              Docsknotinn RE: SauceSupreme Jan 15, 2008 10:28 AM


                                                                                                                              1. Uncle Bob RE: SauceSupreme Jan 16, 2008 03:14 PM

                                                                                                                                Sippin on some George T. Stagg......slowly!

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                                                                                                                                  mainahs RE: SauceSupreme Feb 24, 2008 02:42 PM

                                                                                                                                  My sister bought me Van Winkle for Xmas---really delicious but, of course, expensive. I like Makers Mark for Manhattans, it seems quite smooth for a moderately priced bourbon. Bookers is good as well.

                                                                                                                                  1. frankiii RE: SauceSupreme Mar 14, 2008 07:19 PM

                                                                                                                                    Tried some of the bourbons in the picture below last night with friends. To my taste, which leans toward Knob Creek, the Elmer T. Lee was the stand out.

                                                                                                                                    1. Uncle Bob RE: SauceSupreme Mar 15, 2008 04:24 PM

                                                                                                                                      Tonight was WT 101...

                                                                                                                                      1. tim irvine RE: SauceSupreme Mar 17, 2008 10:15 PM

                                                                                                                                        Knob is always yummy. Bookers is, too. I love all the Van Winkles but my wife likes Knob. This thread started pretty high on Wathen's./ It is good but I haven't seen it around for a year (in Austin). I noticed another thread on bitters. If you are inclined to mixed drinks, such as Old Fashioneds, try one with Angostura and another with Peychaud's...two totally different drinks, even with just a shake. Life doesn't get much better than Old Fashioned made with Knob Creek and a dash of Angostura bitters (except for Pappy Van Winkle and a small splash). Someone mentioned Old Overholt...I like it a lot, too.

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                                                                                                                                          cscott4313 RE: tim irvine Aug 19, 2010 08:32 PM

                                                                                                                                          Tim, read your post regarding the Old Fashioned and couldn't resist. My dad's been piouring and drinking them my whole life, but I've never had a better Old Fashioned Sweet than at "Off the Record" in the Hay Adams Hotel, Washington D.C. Make sure John pours it for you. Go on a Friday or Saturday night. Low lit, rich red wallpaper and dark wood; wall sconces of gold and crystal--just unbelieveable with that drink in hand. Be warned, the Hay Adams is under construction until October, 2010. But by all means, if you can make it afterwards you will not regret it. And for a next stop (if you're so inclined), The Round Robin at the Willard for Mint Juleps.

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                                                                                                                                          epicureous eggplant RE: SauceSupreme Apr 10, 2008 01:23 PM

                                                                                                                                          Bulleit is what I've been craving most recently, served on ice, but there is only one bar is SD that has served it to me. Otherwise, I'll have Knob.

                                                                                                                                          This board as over 100 post, thanks to everyone for sharing. Although does anyone want to just list any three to be on the look out when I'm out at a bar?

                                                                                                                                          Thank You Kindly!

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                                                                                                                                            chazzerking RE: epicureous eggplant Apr 10, 2008 03:20 PM

                                                                                                                                            Most of the really old and fine bourbons will be pretty pricey in most bars. On the other hand, It will give you the chance to taste and see if it's worth the $100+ per bottle before you spend that. My choice for the best would have to be the Pappy Van W 21. at a little lower level, I do like Blanton's, Rock Hill Farms and Black Maple Hill a lot.

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                                                                                                                                              ricepad RE: chazzerking Apr 10, 2008 03:57 PM

                                                                                                                                              As long as you're buyin', I'll drink with you ANYTIME! I love Pappy and Rock Hill...

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                                                                                                                                              frankiii RE: epicureous eggplant Apr 14, 2008 07:12 AM

                                                                                                                                              I picked up a bottle of Jefferson's and one of Hancock's last week. That makes a total of 8 bottles tasted in the past month and a half, or so. As mentioned before, I prefer Knob Creek, in terms of widely available bourbon. Of the new ones I have tried I like Russell's, Elmer T Lee and my experience with Jefferson's was also nice (has a faint flavor of tea and not as sweet). I thought Rock Hill was a bit too scotch-like, in that it was not too sweet and thus the high proof tended to burn through. The van winkles were all nice and great deals for the money and Eagle Rare was pleasant but probably not worth the premium price point. I might have regretted it the next day but having bourbon tasting parties and getting through these 8 bottles has been a real pleasure, sip on.

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                                                                                                                                                lennox53 RE: frankiii Apr 14, 2008 06:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                The Jefferson tastes like tree bark to me. It's the one bottle I truly regret ever buying.

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                                                                                                                                                  frankiii RE: lennox53 Apr 15, 2008 04:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                  I can see that, I guess it stood out because it was different from a series of bottles that, while good, were largely the same.

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                                                                                                                                              vino5150 RE: SauceSupreme Apr 12, 2008 08:54 AM

                                                                                                                                              EAGLE RARE

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                                                                                                                                                theginguy RE: vino5150 Apr 15, 2008 05:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                Yep, it's Buffalo Trace and Eagle Rare for me.

                                                                                                                                                Buffalo Trace distillery is my bourbon distillery of choice.

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                                                                                                                                                  NYChristopher RE: theginguy May 15, 2009 10:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                  As someone who doesn't like the "new" eagle rare, I'd be curious to hear what your thoughts are in comparing the "old" Eagle Rare (8 year, 101 proof) and Buffalo Trace. I know Buffalo Trace came out before the "old" Eagle Rare was done away with, but I'm wondering if there's any similarity whatsoever?

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                                                                                                                                                  wonderwoman RE: vino5150 Jan 1, 2013 03:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                  i was introduced to eagle rare a couple of years ago; now it's my go to. this may be sacrilege...

                                                                                                                                                  but when i open a bottle, i drop in a whole vanilla bean. i'm not a big drinker, so it can be in there a while, and what i find is the longer it is, the smoother the drink

                                                                                                                                                3. rednyellow RE: SauceSupreme May 13, 2008 07:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                  My fav sippin Bourbon is Wild Turkey 101. My dad was a bourbon drinker and I've developed a taste for it as I get older. A few years ago, I ended up with many high end bottles to sample from.... For about 5 or 8 years, every time I visited my dad, I'd take him a fancy bottle of bourbon. We'd each have a shot or two and I assumed he'd finish the bottle over the next few weeks. He didn't. He was insanely thrifty and he put them away and drank his discount bourbon. When he died, I found about 30 different high end bourbons with a couple of shots missing. He never could bring himself to drink the good stuff by himself. It took me and my friends a while, but we had some great drinks and toasts to Dad. BTW.... drink the good stuff now while you can.

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                                                                                                                                                    cherie RE: SauceSupreme May 27, 2008 11:58 AM


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                                                                                                                                                      FlaHopper RE: SauceSupreme May 27, 2008 02:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                      I always have a bottle of Early Times handy. However, the latest rotation was 101 proof Wild Turkey Rye. Once you adjust to it a bit, it's a pretty good rye.

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                                                                                                                                                        cornFusion RE: FlaHopper Jun 1, 2008 03:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                        As far as ryes go, i agree - wild turkey rye is awesome

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                                                                                                                                                        chazzerking RE: SauceSupreme Jun 3, 2008 09:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                        This summer; St. James Hors d'age Rhum Agricole. I'm surprised that more Bourbon drinkers don't take up high quality aged rums for sippin', especially in the summer.

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                                                                                                                                                          crewsweeper RE: chazzerking Jun 13, 2008 08:07 AM

                                                                                                                                                          I've enjoyed St James as an alternative to a sipping whiskey for over 10 years.
                                                                                                                                                          It's a great alt to cognac or armangnac too.

                                                                                                                                                          Has anyone tasted Proctor's(?) Bourbon? Local liquor store clerk pointed it out to me last week but I wasn't in the market for bourbon then.

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                                                                                                                                                            MOREKASHA RE: chazzerking Jun 20, 2008 01:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                            I love rum from Demerara, Guyana. Port Morant 12 year old It's a great alternative.Checkout www.classicrum.com I go back 'n forth between this and a good bourbon, except in the autumn when it's Calvados time.

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                                                                                                                                                              NYChristopher RE: chazzerking May 15, 2009 10:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                              Another shout out for St. James. While I've not had the Hors d'age, I have had the Amber and thought it a great product and an even better value. I gave up drinking Mount Gay I liked it so much.

                                                                                                                                                              More here

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                                                                                                                                                              PeterB RE: SauceSupreme Jun 20, 2008 11:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                              Maker's Mark is a good default bourbon. Ancient Ancient Age (AAA) is the bang for the buck champ (I always have some around). Blanton's is the best >$25 bourbon I've tried.

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                                                                                                                                                                dwh RE: PeterB Jun 21, 2008 06:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                MM tastes good even before they distill it!

                                                                                                                                                              2. The Ranger RE: SauceSupreme Jun 22, 2008 08:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                Booker's is my default but Knob Creek and Jefferson provide a nice set of alternatives, too.

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                                                                                                                                                                  samhopkins RE: SauceSupreme Jun 27, 2008 07:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  right now i'm digging the sam houston's kentucky bourbon. killer stuff, made by the same folks who make jefferson's.

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                                                                                                                                                                    imhungryletseat RE: dukeofsandwich Aug 25, 2008 02:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    I was in Northern KY a couple of weeks ago and went to the Party Source to pick up some bourbon and different beers. By the way, there is nothing remotely like the Party Source on LI, I could live there! I ended up picking up Woodford Reserve and Knob Creek and I picked up Eagle Rare at a store by my house . After taste testing the three numerous times, I enjoy the Woodford Reserve for sipping the most, followed by the Knob Creek. As for the Eagle Rare, I found it to be on the harsh side for sipping. Because of that, I could not pick up other flavors in it. That said, it does make a good Bourbon with a ginger ale/club soda mix.
                                                                                                                                                                    My current vote for sipping Bourbon is the Woodford Reserve!

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                                                                                                                                                                      Nakajima RE: SauceSupreme Aug 26, 2008 03:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      Maker's Mark, Woodford Reserve, Knob Creek.

                                                                                                                                                                      Maker's makes the best bourbon manhattan.

                                                                                                                                                                      New Discovery - The Rye manhattan! Try making your manhattan with Wild Turkey 101 Rye!

                                                                                                                                                                      Great thread.

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                                                                                                                                                                        MC Slim JB RE: Nakajima Feb 18, 2009 03:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                        Of course, rye was the spirit used in the original Manhattan. Bourbon was more of a regional favorite until after Prohibition, which had put many of America's great rye distillieries out of business permanently. Nearly every whiskey cocktail that most bartenders now make with bourbon was originally based on rye. I like bourbon a lot, but for cocktails I'm much likelier to reach for rye these days. Got my girl going that way, too.

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                                                                                                                                                                          jgg13 RE: MC Slim JB Feb 18, 2009 06:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                          "Got my girl going that way, too."

                                                                                                                                                                          Other way around for me :) Well, sort of. I kept yammering about rye making a comeback, but she was the one that really started the two of us down the path of rye-dom.

                                                                                                                                                                          We haven't yet splurged on getting a bottle of good sipping rye, sticking with the sub-$30ish range for cocktail use, but it was a real eye opener how it made a positive difference in drinks.

                                                                                                                                                                      2. Blind Mind RE: SauceSupreme Feb 17, 2009 01:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        My favorite everyday bourbon is Basil Hayden, hands down. Smooth, smooth, sippin' and well priced.

                                                                                                                                                                        Other favorites that are currently on my home bar shelf are:

                                                                                                                                                                        Pappy Van Winkle 15yr (I love the spice here)
                                                                                                                                                                        Pappy Van Winkle 23yr (special occasions only!!)
                                                                                                                                                                        Corner Creek (This one is a HUGE sleeper. Highly recommended at $24-30/bottle)
                                                                                                                                                                        Eagle Rare 10yr (A fantastic bourbon, better in the 17yr form but eons more expensive)
                                                                                                                                                                        Blanton's (Love the spice and I have collected all of the corks!)
                                                                                                                                                                        Booker's (aka, the "ass kicker" bourbon at 125.4 proof)
                                                                                                                                                                        Ezra Brooks (Not one of my favorites but not bad. Kinda like Makers Mark)
                                                                                                                                                                        Wathens (I found this sucker in a small shop in West Palm Beach. Bottled in '97, small batch. First glass seemed a little strong but it was more like breaking in a leather chair as the next glasses were more comfy. Currently one of my favorites though its a tough find)
                                                                                                                                                                        Rock Hill Farms (Got hooked on this at Capital Grill in Boston where a NY visitor has them stock it just for him and bourbon lovers like me reap the benefit of his tastes)

                                                                                                                                                                        I also like Woodford Reserve as an alternative to Basil Hayden when at a bar that doesnt stock BH. Very similar in taste though I find WR to have a bit more of a floral bouquet and a little more bite at 90 proof rather than the 80 for BH. I also recently tried and really liked both Michter's (bourbon and rye) and Black Maple Farms though Ive yet to buy a bottle for my bar. The bar only holds bourbon, by the way, except for the essentials needed for the occasional Manhattan. :)

                                                                                                                                                                        I could probably go on and on about the other bottles Ive tried and my collection of empties but I will reel it in for now haha.

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                                                                                                                                                                          chazzerking RE: Blind Mind Feb 17, 2009 07:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          I agree with all your comments and recs. I would add a few; Tuthilltown's Hudson bourbon and Baby bourbon. They aren't cheap, around $40 for a 375 ml bottle, but smooth and delicious. I've also recently aquired bottles of Rowan's Creek and Noah's Mill. Both are enjoyable and interesting, but I've only tried each once so I'm still making a judgment. I have yet to find anything to compare with the Pappy 23 though. I'm still looking

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                                                                                                                                                                            Blind Mind RE: chazzerking Feb 18, 2009 06:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            Yes, I also liked Rowan's Creek and Noah's Mill when I tried them in Louisville and Cincinnati respectfully. I just havent seen them in my area. The Pappy 23 is my all time favorite, but again, its for special occasions only. Ive had the bottle for over a year now and its more than half full. :)

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                                                                                                                                                                              imhungryletseat RE: Blind Mind Feb 23, 2009 05:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              I just picked up a 1.75 of Bulleit ($39.99) and a 750 of Corner Creek ($23.99), both on sale. I love the Bulleit (I remember reading it has a different flavor profile due to more Rye) and like the Corner Creek.

                                                                                                                                                                              Overall, of the premium Bourbons I tried, Woodford Reserve is still my favorite, with Makers Mark and the Bulleit not too far behind.

                                                                                                                                                                              After tasting a range of premium bourbons, a friend had Jim Beam and I decided to have a nip, for old times sake. Boy, was that a shock. I remember reading somewhere that someone felt JB had a soapy taste and those were by exact thoughts...yeech!

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                                                                                                                                                                          lchavezs RE: SauceSupreme May 3, 2009 04:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          Bookers!! Shake it with maple syrup, fresh lemon juice and ice--delicious!!

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                                                                                                                                                                            aea6574 RE: lchavezs May 3, 2009 07:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            that sounds tasty. I am guessing just a little maple syrup and lemon juice?

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                                                                                                                                                                              MacshashRIP RE: lchavezs May 7, 2009 06:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                                              man, that sounds amazing. So simple yet obvious. I'm going to try that mix tonight. What would you call it? I'm gonna use Bulleit though....or maybe I'll try the Woodford Reserve, which seems to be prominent on this thread.

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                                                                                                                                                                                MacshashRIP RE: MacshashRIP May 8, 2009 05:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                I tried Woodford/MapleSyrup/LemonJuice shaken....didn't quite come out like I had imagined. It ended up sort of like a Long Island ice tea. Not really my thing. I will stick to either up or rocks....seductive as it is.

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                                                                                                                                                                                PaulF RE: lchavezs May 18, 2014 07:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                I gave this a try and really liked it. 2 oz bourbon, 3/4 oz lemon juice, 3/4 oz maple syrup

                                                                                                                                                                                Had a couple of Friday night, had a couple Saturday night ...

                                                                                                                                                                                Here's my question: I woke up with a slight headache both Saturday and Sunday ... could just be headaches, but it felt more like mild hangovers ... and I never get hangovers from bourbon.

                                                                                                                                                                                Ever get a hangover from this drink? Any see any reason why bourbon, syrup and juice would be more hangover inducing than just bourbon and water (which is what I usually drink)?

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                                                                                                                                                                                  hawkeyeui93 RE: PaulF May 18, 2014 07:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                  Could it be an intolerance to the syrup perhaps?

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                                                                                                                                                                                    PaulF RE: hawkeyeui93 May 18, 2014 08:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm thinking maybe it's the sugar in the syrup or something like that.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    JMF RE: PaulF May 18, 2014 01:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    Did you drink enough water?

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                                                                                                                                                                                      PaulF RE: JMF May 18, 2014 08:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      Yeah, I think so. I drink a lot of water in general.

                                                                                                                                                                                2. Blind Mind RE: SauceSupreme May 4, 2009 07:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                  Im on a new one now... Black Maple Hill. Deelish

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                                                                                                                                                                                    dukeofsandwich RE: Blind Mind May 10, 2009 07:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    Black Maple Hill is great stuff. Too bad only the small batch version is still widely available. If you stumble across a bottle of the 11, 14, or 16 year, buy it up.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Duke of Sandwich

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                                                                                                                                                                                      Terahertz RE: dukeofsandwich Aug 31, 2010 04:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      For my money you can't beat the Black Maple Hill. For about 3 years it was not available anywhere (rumor has it that a Chinese company bought it all up), but it has now reappeared on the shelves. If you live in Los Angeles, Top Line Wine has it. Unfortunately, the aged stuff went from $90 a bottle to $140 :( Feeling poor, I picked up a bottle of the Green Maple Hill and it is quite good and much more affordable.


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                                                                                                                                                                                        Blind Mind RE: Terahertz Sep 7, 2010 01:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        uh, youre kidding, right? There is no such bourbon called Green Maple Hill...

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                                                                                                                                                                                          sku RE: Blind Mind Sep 7, 2010 01:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          I assume the poster means the Black Maple Hill with the green label. They vary the label colors.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          MOREKASHA RE: Terahertz Sep 8, 2010 11:07 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                          Finally had soem of the Black Maple Hill for my birthday, can't remember which label, but it was very tasty....

                                                                                                                                                                                    2. SauceSupreme RE: SauceSupreme May 12, 2009 05:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      Here in Portland I'm really loving Buffalo Trace, especially the single barrel stuff that some local bartenders selected from the distillery (limited production, of course). It's my everyday bourbon whether on its own or in a cocktail.

                                                                                                                                                                                      It's amazing that I started this thread a year and a half ago and completely forgot about it. I'm absolutely thrilled to see that it's still alive and well and that people are talking about whiskey and bourbon in particular!

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                                                                                                                                                                                        Blind Mind RE: SauceSupreme May 12, 2009 06:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        Im also a Buffalo Trace fan for both flavor and value. Same with Eagle Rare 10yr and Corner Creek. Theyre all around the same price point. Buffalo Trace distillery produces their namesake along with Eagle Rare. If you have yet to make the trip to the Bourbon Trail, I strongly recommend a trip to the Buffalo Trace distillery.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        RoxanaV RE: SauceSupreme May 12, 2009 06:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        I have several open bottles of Bourbon on the bar at any given time, but I seem to reach for a couple more than others: Elijah Craig 18 YO, Eagle Rare 10 YO, WT Russell's Reserve and Buffalo Trace. all are excellent, world-class spirits!

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. cannedmilkandfruitypebbles RE: SauceSupreme May 13, 2009 11:02 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                          had a bottle of Maker's Mark Mint Julep. It was gone in 4 days.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            kchurchill5 RE: cannedmilkandfruitypebbles May 13, 2009 01:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            It took that long, :)

                                                                                                                                                                                            Makers is my choice for sure.

                                                                                                                                                                                          2. Ditdah RE: SauceSupreme Jun 19, 2009 07:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            Ok, so rather than starting a new thread...

                                                                                                                                                                                            I am a newer drinker. Well, not newer drinker, but newer to exploring better spirits and caring more about nuances and flavors than getting a buzz off of the alcohol. (Ok, not THAT new. I'm not freshly out of college, and I haven't had any drink in a plastic solo cup for years. But still, more recently expanding my palette and appreciating the differences in taste.)

                                                                                                                                                                                            My family is Irish, so I grew up appreciating Irish whiskeys. I have loved Jameson's and Bushmills much earlier than I cared about cheapo beers or decent gins. (My other current quest is learning about the flavors of gins and discovering my perfect martini.) I've started drinking bourbons more, and I really like them. I haven't developed a taste for scotch, though. It seems too "harsh" somehow.

                                                                                                                                                                                            For someone who loves Irish Whiskey, is very interested in learning about bourbons, isn't a fan of scotch, and thinks Jack Daniels is too sweet... where would you suggest I begin learning about bourbons? I can't really afford to go out and buy multiple bottles of the high end stuff to do my own tasting, and there are so many listed in this thread...

                                                                                                                                                                                            Where should someone who really wants to learn, and experience the subtle differences and flavors begin? I've never really had a bourbon I didn't like, but I didn't try them near each other. I need some sort of direction, so I know where to begin?

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                                                                                                                                                                                              sku RE: Ditdah Jun 19, 2009 10:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                              Based on your profile, I would say try some Woodford Reserve. It's a bit less sweet and fairly affordable. For contrast, a few other affordable brands to try are Maker's Mark (a bit on the sweeter side) and Buffalo Trace (spicy). These three are widely available and present a pretty wide range of flavors. If you find something you like, it will help you know what direction to go in.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                Blind Mind RE: Ditdah Jun 22, 2009 06:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                Here are 4 to get you going:

                                                                                                                                                                                                Woodford Reserve (about $40 for a 750ml with a nice, mild flavor, very floral)
                                                                                                                                                                                                Eagle Rare 10yr (this is a phenomenal bourbon and can be had for $26-$30 for a 750ml bottle. vanilla, caramel, with spicy undertones. a bold flavor for sure)
                                                                                                                                                                                                Corner Creek Reserve (great bargain at $24-28 for a 750ml. another mild bourbon with hints of vanilla, oak, floral)
                                                                                                                                                                                                Basil Hayden (about $35 for a 750ml. my favorite everyday bourbon. very smooth and mild in flavor with hints of pepper and honey.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                I also agree with the suggestion of Buffalo Trace Bourbon at about $25 for a 750ml bottle. Very similar to Maker's Mark but with more of a spicy kick rather than sweet. Also, if you want to spend a little more (about $45-50), look for Blanton's bourbon. This one is a fantastic bourbon.

                                                                                                                                                                                                All that I mentioned should be consumed neat or with 3 to no more than 6 ice cubes depending on the size of the cube to enjoy the most flavor from yer sippin sauce. ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ditdah RE: Blind Mind Jun 22, 2009 04:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Thank you both very much for your suggestions... based on your suggestions and the rest of thread, I think a bottle of Woodford Reserve is on my sights for this week, and then on to some of the others you've listed. I've had Makers Mark before, but not at a point where I was actually trying to learn the flavors and differences in the various bourbons. But, I do recall liking it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  For the record, my preferred way to drink bourbons is with just two or three small ice cubes. I like the very slight chill, and the flavors seem to come out a bit more. However, I'm not against sipping them neat, and tend to do so in the cooler months. If there are any that I sould NEVER put a few rocks in, please let me know, since I'm new to this.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I also adore having an Old Fashioned, but I never ask for a specifc bourbon. Maybe I need to start being more specific, but I've liked most I've had. Although I get really annoyed when the bartender says "an old fashioned what?" (Which has happened to me numerous times. How can a bartender not know one of THE original cokctails?)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    Blind Mind RE: Ditdah Jun 22, 2009 07:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I too enjoy a few rocks in my bourbon glass because I live in a hot climate and like a cold drink. When it comes to some of the finer bourbons that are aged longer or a limited run, I tend to go neat.

                                                                                                                                                                                              2. Blind Mind RE: SauceSupreme Jun 25, 2009 12:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                Tried Eagle Rare 17yr for the first time last night. It was absolutely wonderful. Had it basically neat with just 2 slivers of ice because it was a little warm out and I was completing a warm meal. I didnt expect it to be that much of a departure from the 10yr but it was. Hints of toffee, oak, and a little spice which was nice for a 90 proofer aged 17yrs. I gotta get a bottle of this. I think I saw it for about $60 online. Anyone know of a better price/vendor?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  KCFoodGuy RE: Blind Mind Jun 26, 2009 04:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I probably drink Bulleit, Knob Creek, and Jim Beam Black the most. I used to be a big Woodford Reserve fan, but for whatever reason don't like it anymore. Others I enjoy from time to time are Buffalo Trace, Basil Haydens, and Russels Reserve. I had some Kentucky Tavern at a neighbors last week. It was the house liquor at the bars I hung out at while in college where I first was introduced to bourbon. Not bad for a budget bourbon.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  For a bachelor party last year, I bought $40 something bottle of Black Maple Hill....and thought it was terrible. It tasted like tree bark. A few other guys gave it a taste; but nobody would drink it. Maybe I just don't have refined tastes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                2. sockii RE: SauceSupreme Jul 24, 2009 04:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Wild Turkey 101. It's my standby, my one true bourbon love. I get sad when I don't have any left in the house for mixing or on ice as I'm so used to the combination of a strong "bite" but good flavor from it. That said, for sipping I enjoy experimenting with different brands; I like Knob Creek and have some Wild Turkey Rare Breed on hand now which, wow, does that do the trick...!

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. StriperGuy RE: SauceSupreme Aug 5, 2009 11:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Lately I have been VERY impressed by the products from Tuthilltown Spirits a NY based microdistillery. They are distilling mostly NY state grains and I have tried all of their whiskeys at this point. I really like their plain corn whiskey and their other bourbon-like spirits and whiskeys.


                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. StriperGuy RE: SauceSupreme Aug 7, 2009 07:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Jim Beam Black one a Double Gold at the 2009 SF World Spirits Competition:


                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. Blind Mind RE: SauceSupreme Sep 19, 2009 04:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Well, I was back up in West Palm Beach, FL and managed to remember where the liquor store that I bought Wathens at was, intent on buying a bottle again as I really enjoyed it last time. Well, they didnt have it... However!! My buzzkill only lasted a moment when I noticed a bourbon Id never heard of before - I.W. Harper. 80 proof and about $36 I believe. This is a fantastic bourbon. Smooth like Basil Hayden @ 80 proof but with a nice spice. I killed 1/2 the bottle on the 1st night!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          sku RE: Blind Mind Sep 20, 2009 09:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          That bottle must have been on the shelf for a while. Diageo discontinued production of IW Harper for the American market three or four years ago. It is now only made for export to Asia.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            Blind Mind RE: sku Sep 21, 2009 07:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            No way! Man, I gotta get up there and buy the last couple of bottles then!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              Blind Mind RE: Blind Mind Oct 23, 2009 09:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I went back up to WPB and hit up that liquor store a few weeks back. After searching thru their bourbon section (bottles arent lined up by brand, really. you gotta dig) I found 5 bottles of I.W. Harper 15yr covered in a nice layer of shelf dust and bought them all. Guy cleaned off the bottles for me and gave me an 8% discount (hey, better than nothing!). I gave a bottle to my cousin and have almost finished one myself. Is this a rare bourbon or should I just drink away without any inhibitions? I love the stuff.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                sku RE: Blind Mind Oct 23, 2009 09:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Well, it's rare in the sense that it isn't available anymore, but it is not one that is particularly sought after by collectors, so I would say if you enjoy it, drink it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. Blind Mind RE: SauceSupreme Jun 30, 2010 07:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Thought I'd get this thread started up again as I've had the pleasure of finding some fantastic bourbons lately. I'll focus on my two most recent favorites - Woodford Reserve Master Collection - Seasoned Oak Finish and Jefferson's Reserve Presidential Select 17yr. The Woodford Seasoned Oak is a very dark colored bourbon with notes of toffee and cherry being most prominent on the tongue and a nice spicy finish. You really get the woody notes on this one too. Jefferson Presidential Select is smooth and sweet with little spice and a somewhat tamed alcohol burn. Loving them both right now. Got both at Total Wine & Spirits and paid $99 for the WR (which I thought was $10-$20 high compared to the last Master Collection bourbons I bought) and $78 for the Jefferson.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            Blind Mind RE: Blind Mind Aug 21, 2010 12:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm really enjoying Maker's 46 right now. It has surprised me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. JMF RE: SauceSupreme Sep 8, 2010 01:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I really like the new Whistle Pig Rye.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. wineguy7 RE: SauceSupreme Sep 11, 2010 05:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Pure Kentucky XO. It's a little spicy, very pleasant on the rocks.
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Four Roses Small Batch. Smooth, nice to sip neat.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. JMF RE: SauceSupreme Sep 18, 2010 07:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                In the past few days I've really enjoyed the Russell's Reserve Small Batch 10 year (45% abv), Evan Williams Single Barrel put in cask 2000 (43.3% abv), and and the Elijah Craig 12 year (47% abv), the 18 year is very good as well, but I think I like the 12 better.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. BiggieD RE: SauceSupreme Sep 18, 2010 08:13 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Under $30 . . . my favorite is Eagle Rare . . . smooth, Under $20 . . . Four Roses.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. tim irvine RE: SauceSupreme Oct 24, 2010 04:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I agree on the Four Roses. It and Corner Creek have recently stood out IMHO as "different but still damned good." For a more traditional flavor profile I also like Virginia Gentleman 90.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      kyoung05 RE: tim irvine Oct 25, 2010 11:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Based upon some recommendations, I recently picked up a bottle of Corner Creek. I was told it was "very different" from a traditional bourbon, i.e. Elijah Craig. On the nose, it's very floral, not like other bourbons that smell more like caramel/maple syrup (although, upon letting the bourbon sit in the glass and "open up" a bit, I was able to detect some butteriness/caramel on the noce). On the palate, it's very light, but warm, and I can pick up some spice - rye maybe? I also get just a hint of saltiness/butteriness, but just a hint. Also, maybe a bit of graphite. Finish is pretty short. Overall, a very light and enjoyable bourbon. Definitely think it should only be drunk neat - water or ice would dilute the already light flavor too much. I'd definitely consider buying another bottle, and would make a great entry-level bourbon for non-whiskey drinkers.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        scubadoo97 RE: kyoung05 Oct 25, 2010 03:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Elijah Craig is not like most bourbons in that it's a wheater if I'm not mistaken.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          kyoung05 RE: scubadoo97 Oct 25, 2010 05:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm fairly certain the mash bill for Elijah Craig consists of corn, barley and rye. Granted, it isn't a rye-heavy bourbon like, say, Bulleit, but I don't think I'd classify it as a "wheater," i.e. Maker's Mark, either.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            scubadoo97 RE: kyoung05 Oct 25, 2010 07:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Thanks, I was thinking it was wheated due to it's sweetness and maple syrup nose. I stand corrected.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      jack42 RE: SauceSupreme Oct 26, 2010 08:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Maker's is my everyday brand, but I'm not a snob. I'll drink Jim Beam straight up and smile while I'm at it. Yeah, the Woodford Reserve is good. If you find it readily available, Evan Williams makes a premium product called Evan Williams Private Reserve or something like that. It is very good for the somewhat premium price. Step away from what you have heard about. Try the "1792" It's excellent. I also enjoy the Buffalo Trace. Bourbon drinking is fun, have fun with it. Use your breathing and sipping techniques to appreciate the nuances of everyday bourbons. And, by all means, don't add Coke or ice to anything you'd pay more than $10 a shot for. Drink it neat. Only add water if the proof is really high.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        EvergreenDan RE: jack42 Oct 27, 2010 07:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I would love to know the magic words to say to someone when they announce their love for "Jack and Coke". Someone recently said they had a great one, with the perfect ratio. I stood there silent and blinking. These are folks in the 40's and 50's. There is such an exciting world beyond sweet soft-drink-based cocktails.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          JMF RE: EvergreenDan Nov 29, 2010 09:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Actually I'd say more like the 70's-80's. The 40's-50's had some great cocktails. It was around 1965-70 as vodka came into prominence that cocktails took the great nose dive into sweet and soda.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            EvergreenDan RE: EvergreenDan Nov 29, 2010 05:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Typo. Meant that the folks are in theIR 40's and 50's -- i.e. starting drinking in the late 1970's - 1980's.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ucmewin RE: SauceSupreme Oct 30, 2010 09:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I just bought a bottle of the Four Roses Mariage 2009. Have not had a chance to try it yet but if it is anything close to the 2008 then I will be a happy man. I'll report back with some tasting notes soon.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. byrd RE: SauceSupreme Nov 13, 2010 07:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            the new Makers Mark 46 is drinking mighty fine...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. rlh RE: SauceSupreme Nov 28, 2010 05:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Johnny Drum bonded at $25-$30 in the Boston area is an amazing value - terrific with a rye-like edge vs. smooth sweetness of so many others.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                StriperGuy RE: rlh Dec 1, 2010 06:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Where did you find the Johnny Drum in Boston?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  rlh RE: StriperGuy Dec 1, 2010 01:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Marty's Newton and Martignetti on Soldiers Field Road - both well-stocked a couple of weeks ago - slightly cheaper at Martignetti ($25.99 I think).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. Blind Mind RE: SauceSupreme Dec 1, 2010 05:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                FINALLY!!! Went by Total Wine & Spirits last night and they had the 2010 Buffalo Trace Antiques in stock!! Picked up the Sazerac and the Stagg. Cracked the Sazerac and loved it, possibly more than last years version. This year seems to have a nice orange/citrus undertone along with a little caramel and a nice rye flavor. Looking forward to cracking the Stagg tonite!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  rjh1967 RE: SauceSupreme Jan 4, 2011 05:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I just started drinking bourbon; I'm drinking Old Grand-Dad 86 right now. I want to try OGD 114 really soon, though. Any other suggestions?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    scubadoo97 RE: rjh1967 Jan 4, 2011 06:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The OGD 114 is a good buy if you like the profile. Too many to list but some that come to mind are Wild Turkey 101, Knob Creek, Buffalo Trace, Four Roses Yellow label and Old Fitz just to name a few

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      rjh1967 RE: scubadoo97 Jan 4, 2011 06:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks; Four Roses is another that I've read about that I want to try. I want to drink bourbons that I haven't heard commonly talked about. Four Roses is one; well, all the others are, too, except for Wild Turkey 101.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        scubadoo97 RE: rjh1967 Jan 4, 2011 06:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I happen to like Elijah Craig 12 as well.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Blind Mind RE: rjh1967 Jan 5, 2011 08:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm judging from your interests/suggestions you are looking for lower price range?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            If that's the case, Elijah Craig 12 is a winner for sure. Eagle Rare is another great bourbon. Corner Creek is underrated if you ask me and I've found it as low as $14.99 for 750ml. Four Roses Single Barrel is a new fav of mine found locally for $29.95. Buffalo Trace is a great bourbon too.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scubadoo97 RE: Blind Mind Jan 5, 2011 09:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Wow that's a great price for FR SB. It's in the $40 plus range by me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Blind Mind RE: scubadoo97 Jan 6, 2011 06:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                yeah, i thoguht so. going to pick some up this weekend!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                JMF RE: Blind Mind Jan 11, 2011 03:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                One of the best bang for the buck in bourbon is Evan Wiliiams, just the low level black label, around $13 in NY.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  rjh1967 RE: Blind Mind Jan 13, 2011 11:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yes, lower price range; I've just started drinking bourbon along with beer instead of drinking beer exclusively. My dad used to drink Old Grand-Dad 86; he told me once that he drank enough of that to float a battleship. He was in the Coast Guard. Anyway, he mentioned Hiram Walker Gold Medal at that time. Does anyone know if that is still produced? I've looked for it, but I can't find it. Just Ten High.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    sku RE: rjh1967 Jan 13, 2011 11:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Nope, Hiram Walker isn't around anymore.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      wineguy7 RE: rjh1967 Jan 13, 2011 01:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      A low priced bourbon I've been enjoying lately (mostly for mixing) is called "Kentucky Walker". I don't know if it is widely distributed, but I buy it here in San Francisco at Smart and Final. It costs $6.99 for a 750 ML and $14.99 for the 1.75 L. It's definitely on the lighter side, reminds me a little of Old Grand Dad.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ncyankee101 RE: rjh1967 Jan 4, 2011 10:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I second the Elijah Craig 12 yo - Bulleit is good - also try the Wild Turkey rare breed, especially if you can find it in a mini bottle - it's not cheap and the minis give you a chance to try it without investing much.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  imhungryletseat RE: ncyankee101 Jan 7, 2011 11:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I wish they would have the mini's on Long Island to 'try before you buy'
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The only mini that I have seen bourbon wise was the Evan Williams cherry for .99 and it was too sweet. The smallest size you see of anything not mainstream is 750ml.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I was really impressed with the amount of smaller bottles of bourbons when I was in Cincinnati and went to the party source in Kentucky, but then again, it was Kentucky!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I do like both the Elijah Craig and Bulleit.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I just got a bottle of Old Weller 107. It was a little 'high octane' but it worked well with a few drops of water. Next step is to see how it is in a Manhattan.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    tomjb27 RE: imhungryletseat Jan 7, 2011 03:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm a big fan of Old Weller Antique. I think it's one of the best quality/value spirits out there and it's pretty much become my house bourbon. I think it works well in a Manhattan (it can stand up to 'big' vermouth, like Carpano, nicely), although lately I've been on a Rittenhouse Manhattan binge so it's been a while. Hope you enjoy it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                rjh1967 RE: scubadoo97 Sep 12, 2011 03:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Four Roses Yellow Label is great; thanks for the suggestion.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. scubadoo97 RE: SauceSupreme Jan 11, 2011 03:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "So which bourbon are you reaching for?"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Reached for some 2010 George T. Stagg this evening. I'll need to do a side by side with a 2004 bottle Ii have. So far the 2010 is quite nice and smooth for this level of alcohol.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                JMF RE: scubadoo97 Jan 11, 2011 09:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I had a bottle of the Stagg for New Years, I actually wasn't that impressed.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                DanW RE: SauceSupreme Jan 11, 2011 05:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I currently have Eagle Rare 10 year and Pappy Van Winkle's Family Reserve 20 year on hand. The Eagle Rare gets used to make the occasional Old Fashioned, and the Pappy is slowly sipped neat.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Blind Mind RE: DanW Jan 12, 2011 06:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Nice lineup, DanW. I shed a tear each day that my bar lacks a Van Winkle adorning it's shelves... Right now, I've got Woodford, Woodford Seasoned Oak Finish, Makers 46, Four Roses Single Barrel Ltd Ed (barrel produced for friend of a friend), Jefferson 17yr, 2009 Eagle Rare 17yr, 2010 Eagle Rare 17yr, 2009 George T Stagg, 2010 George T Stagg, 2009 Sazerac 18yr (BT Antique), 2010 Sazerac 18yr, 2009 Thomas H Handy Rye, Redemption Rye, Ezra B, Elijah Craig 12yr, Willett (forget the age but it's the lesser one), Rowan's Creek, Old Whiskey River (w/ Willie Nelson guitar pick LOL!!!), Black Maple Hill, and an unopened bottle of I.W. Harper. I think that covers all of them but I may have missed one or two (I'm out of town). Oh yeah, just bought a bottle of Old Grandad 114 on Scubadoo97's recommendation - not bad! I was shocked at how smooth it is for a 114 proofer. Finish leaves a lot to be desired though. Good value for $22 though. Favorites are the 2009 Stagg, 2010 Eagle Rare, and the 2010 Sazerac. Least favorites are Old Whiskey River and Rowan's Creek.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Oh, and I went to that local store that advertised the Four Roses Single Barrel for $29.99 on the internet... Their bourbon selection was piss poor at the actual store which was odd. They were also kinda high priced compared to other shops around. I'm going to try and order on their site and see what happens...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    DanW RE: Blind Mind Jan 12, 2011 07:39 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    My two bourbons are not a lineup—I am just getting started in my bourbon appreciation. Your list, on the other hand, definitely is a lineup.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    How would you describe the Eagle Rare 17 year, relative to the bourbons that I have?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Blind Mind RE: DanW Jan 19, 2011 11:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The 17yr is similar to the 10yr in flavor but packs a little more spice and is more refined. I wrote about each here: http://blindtastes.blogspot.com/2010/...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The Van Winkle 20yr is in a class of its own. Quite possibly my favorite bourbon ever, even more than the 23yr.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        DanW RE: Blind Mind Jan 26, 2011 12:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks for the info, it'll be a big help to me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          jgg13 RE: Blind Mind Feb 12, 2011 05:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          From what I've seen, hardcore bourbon fans seem to prefer the Pappy 20 while the Pappy 23 appeals to the rest. I've only had the 23 which is awesome, but it sounds as if the 20 is more "bourbon-y"

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            kyoung05 RE: jgg13 Feb 12, 2011 05:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I think people would generally agree that the 23 is better than the 20, just not for the price. There are diminishing returns at that point. FWIW, I've had the 20 which I liked a lot, but it was $18/glass. I don't know if I'd be willing to try the 23 for $30+/glass.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              sku RE: kyoung05 Feb 13, 2011 06:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I've generally preferred the 20 to the 23, not just on price but on flavor, but the bottlings do differ from year to year.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    rjh1967 RE: SauceSupreme Jan 13, 2011 11:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Decided to try George Dickel No. 12. I know it isn't a Bourbon. Any opinions?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      sku RE: rjh1967 Jan 13, 2011 11:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm a huge fan of Dickel 12 and think it's one of the great underrated American whiskeys. It's a great buy as well.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      wedgie RE: SauceSupreme Jan 13, 2011 01:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Knob Creek, Makers Mark and Buffalo Trace. Jim Beam with the Coke.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. bigmackdaddy RE: SauceSupreme Jan 13, 2011 01:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Any whiskey/bourbon from Tuthilltown's Hudson.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. wineguy7 RE: SauceSupreme Feb 12, 2011 03:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Fighting Cock, 103 proof, aged 6 years. Recently brought a bottle back from a trip to Texas as I had not seen it in California. I don't usually buy things for the label, but just had to in this case. Very good, with a bit of caramel, some heat and a little spicy. It seems to have some rye in it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            zin1953 RE: wineguy7 Feb 13, 2011 06:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Last time I saw it was in BevMo . . .

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              wineguy7 RE: zin1953 Feb 13, 2011 11:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Thanks, good to know.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            zin1953 RE: SauceSupreme Feb 13, 2011 07:05 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            It's not my usual, but I was VERY impressed by Jefferson's Presidential Select 17 Year Old Ketucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey . . . found it at D&M in San Francisco. According to their website -- http://www.dandm.com/product_info.php... -- it's wheated, and was among the last of the whiskies distilled by the old Stitzel-Weller distillery.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            FWIW, W.L. Weller is now distilled at the Buffalo Trace Distillery, formerly the George T, Stagg Distillery, formerly the Albert Blanton Distillery, formerly the E.H. Taylor Distillery, formerly the . . . and on and on and on -- but there is no mention of Jefferson's being distilled there.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              sku RE: zin1953 Feb 13, 2011 06:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              When Stitzel-Weller broke up, the Weller label was purchased by Buffalo Trace and the Old Fitzgerald label by Heaven Hill.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Jefferson Presidential is label used by independent bottler McLain & Kyne. It is unrelated to either Heaven Hill or Buffalo Trace. They don't distill, but acquire Bourbon and bottle it. The Jefferson Presidential Select, as you note, was distilled by Stitzel-Weller. McLain & Kyne purchased it from somewhere (many speculate from Diageo which was the last owner of the distillery) and bottled it under their Jefferson label.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                zin1953 RE: sku Feb 13, 2011 06:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks very much -- makes a great deal of sense.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              funniduck RE: SauceSupreme Feb 14, 2011 04:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Tuthilltown's Hudson 4-Grain Bourbon.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. Blind Mind RE: SauceSupreme Mar 16, 2011 07:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Really enjoying the Knob Creek Single Barrel right now.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Spiritchaser RE: Blind Mind Mar 17, 2011 06:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Not a bourbon but I thought I would mention an absolutely incredible rye whiskey that I just tried in Vermont, Whistlepig. Imported from Canada, bottled in Vermont, overseen by a former Makers Mark distiller. Wonderful stuff, not cheap but well worth the price of admission...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    invinotheresverde RE: Spiritchaser Oct 27, 2011 02:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Picked up the last bottle of Whistlepig in Burlington, I believe. Phenomenal.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      scubadoo97 RE: Spiritchaser Oct 27, 2011 02:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I found it a tasty rye but it did not score well in a blind tasting of 18 rye whiskeys our group did. As I recall I found nice spice and fruit on the nose and vanilla, floral notes and mint on the plate.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. Blind Mind RE: SauceSupreme Sep 13, 2011 07:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Went out on a limb and picked up some of Jim Beam's Devil's Cut. Can't say I'm a fan. I'll stick wtih their small batch products.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      imhungryletseat RE: Blind Mind Sep 13, 2011 06:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Been really enjoying Bakers lately, but the bottle unfortunately, is coming to an end.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Woodford used to be my favorite, but either my taste has changed, or the bottle I got last time has a different flavor profile. It's still good, but I have been using it for Manhattans and using the Bakers with a little water for sippin!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        JMF RE: Blind Mind Sep 30, 2011 05:19 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yeah, I don't dare for the Devil's Cut that much myself. but I'll have to revisit it at a later point to see if I still feel that way. Sometimes a spirit that I like at first I care less for after a time, and vice versa.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. Blind Mind RE: SauceSupreme Sep 15, 2011 08:35 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Four Roses Single Barrel is one of my favorite bourbons but I have to say I've really enjoyed the Four Roses Small Batch lately. It's a little more tame than the single barrel but the flavor is fantastic.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          scubadoo97 RE: Blind Mind Sep 15, 2011 09:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          FR single barrel and small batch are excellent. With the single barrel you are getting 1 of 10 recipes so profile will vary. I like most all the FR expressions. The yellow label is a bit thin for my palate and I wish they would push the proof up but Jim is totally against it. I find my current FR single barrels OBSV are quite delicious and are easy to drink at the higher proof. No dilution required. It's a stable on my bar

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Blind Mind RE: scubadoo97 Sep 16, 2011 07:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Heard that, brotha. I have the OESK at home and OBSV at a favorite bar of mine. The single barrel, regardless of it's expression, is always on my bar especially since a local shop has had it at $29.99 for awhile now!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            JMF RE: Blind Mind Sep 30, 2011 05:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I agree. Last night I opened my second bottle of the Four Roses Small Batch this month.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          3. Blind Mind RE: SauceSupreme Sep 28, 2011 09:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            A new spot in town boasts having the Jefferson's Presidential Select 18yr Single Barrel on the shelf. I've got a bottle of the 17yr on my home bar but never tried the 18yr. Reviews I've read have been mixed and it seems as if each barrel bottled yields a different profile from the up and down reviews I've read online. Most say the 17yr is more consistent. Any thoughts from this board?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Also, is there an 18yr and an 18yr Single Barrel or are they all 18yr SB? Reviews and other boards I've read seemed to imply that various stores around the country (K&L, Park Ave, etc) got the SB as personal bottlings that were mislabeled as "Batch 27" but were not and instead were SB.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              sku RE: Blind Mind Sep 28, 2011 11:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I believe they did a regular non-single barrel batch of Jefferson 18 as well as a Jefferson 18 single barrel, many of which went to retailers as their "private bottlings." The 17 yo release was not single barrel, but there was still some variation by batch.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I've had several different 17 batches and several 18s from different retailers and while there are subtle differences, they are fairly consistent. The 18 is obviously a year older and the ones I've had tend to have a bit more wood and less honey flavors, but it's a very subtle distinction.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Blind Mind RE: sku Sep 30, 2011 09:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks for the info, I was wondering about the private bottlings vs product for the masses and if there was any distinction with the single barrel being just for private bottlings. I think there is a sticker designation for each retailer on the bottle to show that it's single barrel. Again, this is just from research I've done on the internet.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Blind Mind RE: sku Oct 3, 2011 06:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Saturday I hit the store and lo and behold they had the 18yr. It wasn't a private bottling so no single barrel. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is basically the exact same bourbon as last year's 17yr, just aged an additional year in the barrel. I did a comparison when I got home and, while I like the 18yr, I prefer the overall flavor of the 17yr.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. PaulF RE: SauceSupreme Sep 28, 2011 10:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                My first time on the spirits board.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I just bought and am loving a bottle of Eagle Rare Single Barrel.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I bought it at Beverage Warehouse in Culver City, California. The only reason I mention that is that supposedly each barrel of this bourbon is a little different. The BW guys fly to Kentucky, taste different barrels, then have an entire barrel bottled for them. So, in theory, a bottle bought elsewhere might taste slightly differently.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Be that as is may, it's very tasty, very complex. I've been a regular Beam drinker, who upgraded to the Black. Went in to BW to buy a bottle of Bulleit, which was recommended to me, then bought the Eagle Rare because I really trust the guys at BW. They've turned me on to some excellent tequilas at good prices.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Eagle Rare was just under 25 dollars for 750 ml. So, a little more than JB Black, but not budget-busting more

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ER gets good reviews on other web sites, too.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  sku RE: PaulF Sep 28, 2011 11:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Eagle Rare is good stuff at a great price, and you're absolutely right that as a single barrel bourbon there is some variation from barrel to barrel (though they still manage to keep it fairly consistent).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  They also do a 17 year old version (not single barrel) which they release once per year in the fall, but it's significantly more expensive.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    kyoung05 RE: sku Sep 28, 2011 12:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Agreed - Eagle Rare 10yr is probably one of the best sub $30 whiskeys around. That said, I recently stumbled upon a bottle of the Eagle Rare 17yr, and even at $80, it's a bargain -- quality-wise, I think it's comparable to Pappy Van Winkle 20yr, which is significantly more expensive.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Blind Mind RE: kyoung05 Sep 30, 2011 09:53 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I recently highlighted 10 of my favorite bourbons under $30 here:


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Eagle Rare is one of my all time favorite bourbons. It was a great day when my favorite bar added it as their "well" bourbon which sells for 1/2 off at happy hour

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ncyankee101 RE: Blind Mind Sep 30, 2011 10:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        (Edit - the problems are with the board not your link.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        How do you think the Weller 12 yr compares to the Antique 107?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I have heard really good things about Elmer T Lee but missed the chance buy some before it was discontinued here in NC, have you had it?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Though NC prices are usually higher than privatized states, we seem to be lucky with some Bourbons - I have gotten Elijah Craig as low as $18 on sale, and many of the others are a couple bucks less here. Florida has much better rum prices and selection though.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Blind Mind RE: ncyankee101 Oct 3, 2011 06:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I've not yet tried the Antique 107, just the 7yr and 12yr. And the 12yr I only really had a glass or 2 before infusing w/ citrus & vanilla (which came out to be terrific in a Manhattan or sipped neat as an after dinner drink).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I've not purchased a bottle of Elmer T Lee yet.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I visited the store this weekend and noticed a few I missed on my list for favorite bourbons under $30. They are: Knob Creek, Wathens, Four Roses Small Batch (I thought this one was more $35 range but last 2 local spots I've seen it was at $27.99 so I'm adding it), and Woodford Reserve (I'm surprised I didn't think to put this up)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    PaulF RE: PaulF Sep 28, 2011 11:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I wanted to add that even the Bev Warehouse guy suggested I buy Bulleit in the local Trader Joe's. It's about 23 or 24 dollars at BW and grocery stores but TJ's sells it for 19.99. Not a big difference I guess, but I'm in TJ's a couple of times a month, so I'll just pick it up there.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  3. scubadoo97 RE: SauceSupreme Sep 28, 2011 11:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yesterday's pour was a 17 yr old Vintage Wheated Bourbon from KBD.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Blind Mind RE: scubadoo97 Sep 30, 2011 09:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Had an opportunity to get me some of that while in Houston but focused on some other bottles at a lesser hit to the wallet instead. It's on my wish list for the home bar though. Any comparison to anything else out there?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        scubadoo97 RE: Blind Mind Sep 30, 2011 03:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Maybe a Parker Heritage wheated bourbon even though the Parker cost as much or more depending on the expression. The proof on the Parker also varies on the expression. The cask strength is over 120 proof.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      JNUNZMAN RE: SauceSupreme Sep 28, 2011 12:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I was visiting my inlaws in Lexington, KY last summer and wanted to pick up some bourbon that I wouldn't easily find in NJ.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Quite frankly, the only reason that I picked out Willets single barrel was due to the distinctive bottle that it came in. I would have remembered that bottle at Joe Canals liquor warehouse!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      It was phenomenal, even better than my favored Woodford.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I had my father in law buy me a bottle prior to coming for a visit and it apparently is tough to get in Kentucky due to it being such a small distiller.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Luckily for me, they only had this huge 1.75 litre decanter left!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        sku RE: JNUNZMAN Sep 28, 2011 01:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Just as an FYI, Willett's isn't a distillery, they are a product of Kentucky Bourbon Distillers (KBD), which despite the name, doesn't distill. They buy bulk whiskey from other distilleries and bottle it under Willett's and their other labels. There is nothing wrong with that, but it means that one Willett's may be very different from another, since they may well come from completely different distileries. Generally, though, my experience is that the Willett's series whiskeys tend to be quite good.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          MOREKASHA RE: sku Sep 28, 2011 04:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          @ one time they were an actual producer but not now. They also put out the Noahs Mill Bourbon which is my house tiple. Very luscious and a big round flavor profile. Had the Willett and liked it as well.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. JMF RE: SauceSupreme Sep 30, 2011 05:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Anyone know anything about Black Maple Hill small batch? I picked up a bottle at Astor Wines last night and it was pretty tasty.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Blind Mind RE: JMF Sep 30, 2011 09:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Is that the one with the green label? Ive got a bottle of BMH on the way from Houston. Love that stuff.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            JMF RE: Blind Mind Oct 2, 2011 05:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            No it's red ink on an off white background.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Blind Mind RE: JMF Oct 3, 2011 06:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Yes, that's the norm. I was thinking of the 16yr which actually has a black label but the bottle a friend of mine had one time had ink that had gone bad or something and become green.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                JMF RE: Blind Mind Oct 8, 2011 04:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I saw the green label a few years ago at LeNell's.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Blind Mind RE: JMF Oct 8, 2011 05:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  What is the green label bottle? I've seen the BMH, BMH 16yr, and BMH 23yr Rye and none have green labels.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    JMF RE: Blind Mind Oct 9, 2011 04:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Have no clue, just remember seeing it several years ago. Next time I talk to LeNell I'll ask her.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      JMF RE: Blind Mind Oct 9, 2011 04:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I think it may have been the 18 yr rye

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. Blind Mind RE: SauceSupreme Sep 30, 2011 10:05 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ok, I've got two questions about Old Rip Van Winkle 23yr...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1.) Saw this twice while on the road, once @ Husk in Charleston, SC ($100/glass) and the second time this past weekend @ Poison Girl in Houston, TX ($65/glass). I think if you're gonna pay for that bourbon, you buy a bottle. I looked online and found one on eBay but got outbid. Further searching has come up empty. Does this bourbon exist still? If so, any thoughts on where I could purchase a bottle?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2.) Is this something that will be done each year or is this a one time, one shot bottling?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              kyoung05 RE: Blind Mind Sep 30, 2011 10:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I believe the 23yr old is one of their "standard" bottlings - stores like Cask in SF normally stock it (http://www.caskstore.com/pappy-van-wi...), although they're out of it currently. I've read several reviews that have indicated that while very good, it isn't much better than the 20yr bottling, while costing more than twice as much. That said, I haven't tried it personally, so I can't say how it compares to the 20yr (which I have tried, and even at $20/glass, thought it was well worth it).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ncyankee101 RE: kyoung05 Sep 30, 2011 10:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I have actually read several reviews by people that preferred the 20 yr old to the 23 yr old.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Hmmm odd chowhound does not seem to be allowing posting of external links today.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  sku RE: kyoung05 Sep 30, 2011 10:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  There is Old Rip Van Winkle 23 and then there is Pappy Van Winkle 23. Pappy 23 is a regular bottling which is released each fall. It goes for around $220.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Old Rip Van Winkle 23 was a one-time specialty bottling from last year. Old Rip sold for around $350 but it was in short supply and I haven't seen any on shelves for a while (though it certainly could still be in stock in some stores). It is higher proof and came in a fancy decanter. (See pictures at link).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I thought the Old Rip was fantastic though very pricy and I don't know if it is on any retail shelves anymore. Pappy 23 is okay, but I actually prefer the 20 and 15 year old versions of Pappy.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ncyankee101 RE: sku Sep 30, 2011 11:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Sku - I was actually trying to post a link to the LAWS site but for some reason external links seem to be acting up today on this site. Some work, some send me to a dead page on this site.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      sku RE: ncyankee101 Sep 30, 2011 11:07 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yeah, if you go to the Site Talk area, they say they're working on it. Something to do with yesterday's site maintenance.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Blind Mind RE: sku Oct 3, 2011 06:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yes, I was speaking of the Old Rip 23yr. Not really worth $65-$100/glass to me (nor is anything for that matter) but to pay $400/bottle wouldnt be bad. From what you say it's not likely that I'll find one though.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        kyoung05 RE: Blind Mind Oct 3, 2011 09:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Well, $65 for a glass of whiskey may seem a bit outrageous, but a glass of Château d'Yquem often goes for that, and I think it's well worth it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Blind Mind RE: kyoung05 Oct 3, 2011 11:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I just think for that money you might as well buy a bottle and enjoy it more often ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            StriperGuy RE: kyoung05 Oct 8, 2011 08:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            "Well worth it" is relative. Not everyone has $65 to spend on a single glass of booze.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    zmirzlina RE: SauceSupreme Sep 30, 2011 11:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Been drinking Old Overholt these days - although a rye, there is a nice bready corn sweetness that comes through. My wife refers to it as a "caramel frito taste." And she's kinda right. Makes the best Manhattans, IMO.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ncyankee101 RE: zmirzlina Sep 30, 2011 12:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I find Overholt lacking in rye spice, much prefer Wild turkey rye or Rittenhouse 100 which don't let the vermouth dominate.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. Blind Mind RE: SauceSupreme Oct 25, 2011 11:19 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Was in Houston a few weeks back and was really impressed by the selection and even more by the pricing at Specs liquor store. They had nice stock on Black Maple Hill and Rock Hill Farms, two of my favorites, and a fantastic cash price (even the credit price was good), so I picked up a few bottles and had a buddy ship em to me as a favor. They got here the other day and I'm so happy to have Rock Hill Farms back on my bar. Great juice.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        scubadoo97 RE: Blind Mind Oct 25, 2011 12:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yes it is. RHF is a bit sweet and fruit forward but I like it. One I want to keep on my bar. I can't seem to find it on the shelves of my local stores but have ordered it online.+

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          PaulF RE: scubadoo97 Oct 25, 2011 02:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          For those looking for Rock Hill Farms in L.A. -- they have it at Beverage Warehouse in Marina Del Rey. Beverage Warehouse ships as well, for those in other parts of the country.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          As for bourbon, I'm working my way through a bottle of Bulleit that I bought at Trader Joe's, where they sell if for 20 bucks a bottle (it's a bit more at BW and the grocery stores). I'm enjoying it. It's a bit more mellow, I think, than the Eagle Rare I noted earlier in this thread.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Rock Hill Farms sounds great -- it's twice the price but maybe I'll indulge over the holidays.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            scubadoo97 RE: PaulF Oct 25, 2011 03:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sipping some RHF as I type. Sweet, lot of fruits, floral. Really a nice single barrel bourbon.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ncyankee101 RE: PaulF Oct 25, 2011 11:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              $20 is a great price on Bulleit - if they have their rye for around the same price you should try it, I like it quite a bit, my favorite so far next to Sazerac.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                PaulF RE: ncyankee101 Oct 26, 2011 11:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Haven't tried the rye ... will look for it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                TJ's always has it at that 20 dollar price. Everywhere else it's like 23-25.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ncyankee101 RE: PaulF Oct 26, 2011 12:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Here in NC it's $28, I've seen it at online retailers for anywhere from $19 at Hi time to $34 at DrinkupNY.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    pete k RE: ncyankee101 Oct 26, 2011 02:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    We're a bit spoiled for choice here in Nashville with the selection that's available. I recently tried the Blanton's Single Barrel and the Rowan's Creek KY Straight Bourbon.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Both of which I'd buy a bottle of.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      scubadoo97 RE: pete k Oct 26, 2011 03:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      You know what the Dusty profile in Nashville is? I bet there is a lot of old stock around unless they have been scarfed up buy those that know

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  invinotheresverde RE: ncyankee101 Oct 27, 2011 02:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I just paid $30 for the Bulleit rye, but DH and I are really diggin' it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ncyankee101 RE: invinotheresverde Oct 27, 2011 11:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I saw 2 bottles of Thomas handy today at the local ABC store, really had to resist the temptation to part with $71 and get one, I have been spending waaaay too much money lately.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Looking around at the prices and (lack of) availability for this I think maybe I need to go back and grab both bottles.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      scubadoo97 RE: ncyankee101 Oct 28, 2011 03:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      $70 seems to be the new norm for specialty bottlings.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ncyankee101 RE: scubadoo97 Oct 28, 2011 08:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Hi time has it for $99, and I see it on ebay for $85-115 - so for a change it would appear the NC price is actually pretty good. The cheapest price I see online is $79 and that one is out of stock.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Blind Mind RE: ncyankee101 Oct 28, 2011 06:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Whenever I find myself "spending too much money lately" I just ride the wave, especially if it includes adding a nice whiskey to the home bar. Go for it! haha

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          EvergreenDan RE: ncyankee101 Oct 28, 2011 08:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The high price of Handy is softened a bit by the high proof. If it were diluted to 80 proof, that $71 bottle would be $45. High, but not as obscene as it seems.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I like Bulleit, but it is a touch mild for mixing. I'm about to try a bottle of Redemption. (I thought I had a bottle, then couldn't find it last night, then found it this morning. Yeah!) Alas, I'm out of Green Chartreuse, and that restock is always painful.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            pete k RE: EvergreenDan Oct 28, 2011 08:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The redemption is really nice. A good bite that really holds up in cocktails.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            It goes for around $23 a bottle here. I'm still debating the chartreuse purchase, it retails for around $60ish a bottle.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ncyankee101 RE: EvergreenDan Oct 28, 2011 09:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I agree Bulleit does not hold up well for mixing, I prefer to sip that and the Sazerac 6 yr. Mixing duties go to Rittenhouse 100 and Wild Turkey Rye.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                PaulF RE: ncyankee101 Oct 28, 2011 03:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I wouldn't mix Bulleit.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Just a few ice cubes ... let the ice work on it for a few minutes ... that's it for me

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Blind Mind RE: PaulF Oct 28, 2011 04:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I like Bulliet bourbon for mixing but not so much the rye. That one I like w/ a ice sphere. Redemption is better IMO. Love that stuff

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                invinotheresverde RE: EvergreenDan Oct 28, 2011 12:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Just mention GC a few extra times on your blog and I'm sure they'll ship you a bottle for free. ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  BiggieD RE: invinotheresverde Oct 28, 2011 01:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I am really enjoying Jefferson's right now. Deep flavor with hints of chocolate or coffee for only $35 for 750mL. Highly recommend it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ksherk RE: SauceSupreme Oct 27, 2011 04:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    What a great question! I drink George Dicket No. 17 at home for mixing with ginger ale (Schweppes, please). I have Eagle Rare and Woodford Reserve on hand for drinking straight (after dinner). When I'm out and ordering a Manhattan, my preferences are Eagle Rare or Bulleit (in those bars that carry them), Maker's Mark or Knob Creek otherwise.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I had Pappy Van Winkle after dinner at Herb Saint in New Orleans, on the recommendation of the waiter, and I'll be forever grateful.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      hawkeyeui93 RE: ksherk Oct 28, 2011 01:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Water's for Washin', Dickel's for Drinkin' ....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ncyankee101 RE: hawkeyeui93 Oct 28, 2011 01:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Dickel No. 17? Typo I guess? I have only seen cascade hollow, No 8 and No 12. I have the CH and No 12, and even the low end stuff is better than JD.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          hawkeyeui93 RE: ncyankee101 Oct 28, 2011 02:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Geo. Dickel No. 12 is an old friend in my household ....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. Blind Mind RE: SauceSupreme Oct 31, 2011 12:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Well, I had a hunch I would find some of the Antiques as I drove by Total Wine on my way home from lunch yesterday and that hunch was confirmed true. Since their stock was limited and my spending has already been out of control this month I figured why not pile on some more? I picked up the Eagle Rare 17, Sazerac 18, and Stagg. I left the Handy because I know that will be there when I go back (last year's was there a looooooong time) and for some reason they don't get the Weller. The 3 I got are my favorites anyways. Tried the Stagg last night, still as firey as ever but still damn good. A few drops of water and it shines. Liked it better than last year's version but not as much as the 09. I can see why some skip over this collection because it really doesn't change all that much but I still think it's worth the extra $$.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ncyankee101 RE: Blind Mind Oct 31, 2011 12:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        They have sazerac 18? is that this years release? I have been watching the online retailers and have yet to see it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Blind Mind RE: ncyankee101 Nov 1, 2011 06:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yessir, it's the 2011 and it's as awesome as ever. I love the Stagg but the Sazerac 18 could be my favorite of all the BTAC

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Blind Mind RE: ncyankee101 Nov 1, 2011 06:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Here's a pic

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            scubadoo97 RE: Blind Mind Oct 31, 2011 02:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I've had some high proofers that were pretty easy to drink. The Stagg isn't one of them. I have a few graduated cylinders that I use to dilute to a known proof when needed. You can play around with different proofs until you find the one that really shines as apposed to just splashing water in willy nilly.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              EvergreenDan RE: scubadoo97 Nov 1, 2011 05:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              That's a good idea. I raised an eyebrow at "a few drops" Blind Mind's Stagg -- seems like not enough. I prefer regular proof spirits without water, but overproof surely needs dilution.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              To what final proof do you usually dilute?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                scubadoo97 RE: EvergreenDan Nov 1, 2011 05:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I have found that 107pf seems to be preferred with many barrel proof bourbons. Certainly that's not in stone. There are several online dilution calculators that can be used to accurately dilute that high proof down if desired. Sometimes I like them at full barrel strength and sometimes they really shine a bit lower. Last nights pour was a 2010 BTAC W. Larue Weller at 126.6pf which was quite tasty with no dilution.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Blind Mind RE: EvergreenDan Nov 1, 2011 06:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I drink the Stagg neat often, actually. Yes, it's fire but I sometimes like to "control my intake" i.e. - not have more than 1 drink in a night, so I take little sips. When I add a few drops it's to about a 1-1.5oz pour in a Riedel whiskey glass.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. JMF RE: SauceSupreme Nov 1, 2011 11:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I was hanging out yesterday with Lincoln and Wes Henderson. Licoln is the retired master distiller who created Woodford and many other bourbons, and sipped some of their new Angels Envy bourbon that is finished in port casks. really nice, medium light body, exceptionally smooth and approachable, a bit sweet up front, nice vanillins and just a bit of oak, with a dry finish that makes you look forward to the next sip. great neat, on the rocks, and in cocktails. Now I'm off to Whiskeyfest NYC.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Blind Mind RE: JMF Nov 1, 2011 11:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I'm a fan of AE, got a few bottles on the home bar. I like the floral notes, the way it coats the tongue and the madeira on the finish. Very smooth stuff but more like an after dinner sipper than an all-purpose bourbon IMHO.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                hhmoore RE: SauceSupreme Dec 18, 2011 09:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Knob Creek Single Barrel is a bit strong for my taste, at least for sipping neat.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Recently tried Basil Hayden, for the first time...but probably wouldn't purchase it for home.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I really like the Rock Hill Farms Single Barrel, and generally have that on hand.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                And, or course, Pappy Van Winkle. I managed to stock up a bit this year, though the 15 yr almost eluded me...most local places denied even getting it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  scubadoo97 RE: hhmoore Dec 18, 2011 10:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Show off ;-D Nice collection
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  If you like Rock Hill Farms you will may like Elmer T Lee at a better price point. Both BT mash bill #2

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ncyankee101 RE: scubadoo97 Dec 18, 2011 10:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I've heard excellent things about ETL - I almost bought it several times at one store here in NC but there was always something else on sale that I wanted, and one time I finally went back to buy it - it was gone, and I haven't seen it since.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      hhmoore RE: scubadoo97 Dec 18, 2011 11:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Elmer T Lee is on my short list of bourbons to try. I appreciate the recommendation - thanks.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Blind Mind RE: hhmoore Dec 19, 2011 06:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Elmer T Lee is one of my favorites, as is Rock Hill Farms. Sazerac 18yr is another one I'm loving right now. Enjoyed with a Partagas yesterday which was a great combo.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The bourbon I'm really impressed with right now though is Colonel E.H. Taylor Single Barrel. Quickly became one of my favorites of all time.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          zin1953 RE: Blind Mind Dec 20, 2011 10:53 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I just wish I could find a bottle of Sazerac 18 -- I finished mine, and can't seem to find one to save my life!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ncyankee101 RE: zin1953 Dec 20, 2011 11:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I have yet to see it anywhere online, I found a review that stated

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            "around here, stocks of Sazerac 18 just disappeared from the shelves almost immediately this year, with good reason. Buy some if you can find it."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scubadoo97 RE: zin1953 Dec 20, 2011 11:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              One of our local liquor stores lists it on their website but says in store only for $79.99

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Seems to be the going rate for high end rye with significant age

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              And then there's Ebay. One of the reasons it's hard to find is it get's scarfed up quickly to be resold on Ebay. grrrrrr

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            scubadoo97 RE: hhmoore Dec 19, 2011 11:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            You also may want to try Ancient Ancient Age 10 YO since it too is the made from the same mash bill by BT. I can't find it anywhere by me but some say it's is very close to ETL and RHF.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Blind Mind RE: scubadoo97 Dec 19, 2011 12:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              That's on my "shopping list" at The Party Source right now. Purchase being made soon!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                scubadoo97 RE: Blind Mind Dec 19, 2011 01:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Maybe do a blind tasting of RHF, AAA and ELT if you have them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I think I have a E. H. Taylor SB sample that we did a tasting of a while back. I have a part of that sample hanging around some where. Need to give it another try.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ncyankee101 RE: scubadoo97 Dec 19, 2011 01:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The AAA 10 yr is the one you can only get in Kentucky, right?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  scubadoo97 RE: ncyankee101 Dec 19, 2011 01:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I think that's where most of it is sold. I know Binny's has had it sometime in the past. Not to be confused with AAA 10 star. Boy it get's confusing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. PaulF RE: SauceSupreme Dec 19, 2011 11:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I just bought a bottle of Elijah Craig 12 year and really, really like it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Just to sum up: I'd been a Jim Beam drinker who recently moved up to the Jim Beam Black. Wanting to branch out, my liquor guy (Beverage Warehouse for those who live near Culver City, California) recommended the Eagle Rare and I finished off that bottle. Then i worked my way through a bottle of Bulleit (purchased at Trader Joe's -- 19.99 as opposed to 23.99), then yesterday my Bev Warehouse guy recommended the Elijah Craig because I wanted something in the same price range (the Eagle Rare is 25.99, EC is 23.99 like the Bulleit).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I think I'm liking it better than the Bulleit, though I liked that just fine. I like the lingering flavor of the Elijah Craig at the back of my mouth a bit better, it's milder/more subtle.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I would recommend and/or drink any of them, but at the moment I'm liking Elijah Craig more than the Bulleit, and about the same as the Eagle Rare.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ncyankee101 RE: PaulF Dec 19, 2011 11:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Thanks for reminding me, I need to grab another bottle of EC 12 yr while it's on sale for $19 this month here in NC. Maybe Old Weller 107 also, for the same price, two of my favorites for the money. I just wish we had Old Grand Dad 114 here.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scubadoo97 RE: PaulF Dec 19, 2011 12:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              EC 12 is my go to off the shelf mid level bourbon. It's got that Heaven Hill profile which some find too minty but I like it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                PaulF RE: scubadoo97 Dec 19, 2011 02:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Wow, I need to taste it some more. I didn't get a minty taste. I'm not a big fan of that taste, either.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Maybe it's really subtle. To me, it was less sweet than the Bulleit, with a hint more pepper flavor.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ncyankee101 RE: PaulF Dec 20, 2011 01:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I can't say I really get anything I would call "minty" in EC 12 either. I do get a lot of rye spice, which I guess some people might call "minty" as it does sort of leave a lingering burning sensation on the tongue like spearmint does.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    scubadoo97 RE: ncyankee101 Dec 20, 2011 05:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I have to admit I don't get any mint. May a little grassy note but the caramel and vanilla and fruit are predominate.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Blind Mind RE: scubadoo97 Dec 20, 2011 09:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I think it mightve been you, scubadoo, who turned me on to EC 12yr and it quickly became one of my favorite value bourbons.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. PaulF RE: SauceSupreme Dec 20, 2011 10:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'd just like to note that this is one of the best, most informative and friendliest threads I've ever participated in on this forum.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ncyankee101 RE: SauceSupreme Dec 20, 2011 11:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                At the moment I am doing a side-by-side between two moderately high-proof Bourbons - Wild Turkey Rare Breed (108) and Old Grand Dad 114. Kind of hard to call, both are excellent - and mouth-numbing. I give a slight edge to the OGD as it has a slightly richer palate and smoother finish, but a large edge on the basis of price, as it is roughly $10 less in most places.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  scubadoo97 RE: ncyankee101 Dec 20, 2011 12:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  OGD 114 is an exceptional value. I prefer the WT 101 to the Rare Breed

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ncyankee101 RE: scubadoo97 Dec 20, 2011 12:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I haven't had the 101 in a while, it was one of the first Bourbons I tried and I didn't love it, but I have acquired more of a taste for it and I really need to give it another try. I also didn't like Knob Creek the first time but do now.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      scubadoo97 RE: ncyankee101 Dec 20, 2011 12:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      All higher rye bourbons. Do a side by side blind tasting of the WT 101 and the WT RB. Maybe even the WT 101, RB, OGD 114 and KC. Take some notes and compare. Best way to find out which drink you like best. I have little stickers I put on the bottom of my glasses when doing a blind tasting of know products. As long as you use identical glasses it's difficult to know which is which so you can do a fair blind tasting.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ncyankee101 RE: scubadoo97 Dec 20, 2011 12:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I mark one with black marker on the bottom, I can only do two at a time because I have pairs of glasses - two Glencairn and two mini snifters that are my go-to spirits glasses. Also got these odd-looking Chef & Sommelier spirits glasses in an Appleton 12 yr gift pack, I have been using them quite a bit lately and like them. Very wide bowl tapering upward, seem designed to bring out the nose.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          scubadoo97 RE: ncyankee101 Dec 20, 2011 01:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          As long as you can't tell them apart while sipping.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Last year when I picked up an Appleton 12 YO gift pack they had the Ridel glasses in the set. I find Glencairn to concentrate some of the higher proof bourbons a bit too much. I'm really enjoying sipping from a snifter these days

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ncyankee101 RE: scubadoo97 Dec 20, 2011 10:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yeah I am finding I am getting away from my Glencairn glasses for most things, they are great if you are drinking something subtle like a Speyside Scotch or a light rum, but can definitely overwhelm the nose on some more potent liquors such as Islays or dark rums. They are also good for Tequila where the nose is more subtle.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I have a pair of mini snifters I got from World Market for $2 each that are great all-purpose tasters, and just the right size that a 1-1.5 oz pour doesn't look lost.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Blind Mind RE: scubadoo97 Dec 21, 2011 08:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I have those tiny Riedel snifters too and I love 'em. I got my old man some Glencairns for his bday this year and I was a bit jealous of the gift because I love the weight of that glass in my hand.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I also found this kickass double old fashioned glass a few months ago and bought 2 dozen for a tasting I ran. For the money, these are tough to beat - http://www.cb2.com/barware/dining/coo.... I like the low profile of them and the weighted glass bottom gives it a great feel. Made a couple Van Winkle Old Fashioneds last night based on Julian Van Winkle's recipe in this month's Lucky Peach magazine. Usually I drink PVW neat but I tried something new and loved it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ncyankee101 RE: Blind Mind Dec 21, 2011 08:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I have old fashioned glasses very similar to those, but with bottoms that are sort of dimpled (for want of a better word) - got them free with some Omara's Irish Cream from Sam's club years ago. The weighted bottom gives them a nice feel and makes them very stable. I use them for all my mixed drinks.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  scubadoo97 RE: Blind Mind Dec 21, 2011 01:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  What I'm sipping from most often

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              imhungryletseat RE: scubadoo97 Dec 20, 2011 01:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I agree with PaulF; this is a great thread!!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I just finished a bottle of Basil H..the flavors were good, but it was a little too 'low octane' for my taste
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Looks like I am going back to Bakers as one of my places has it for $34.44 for the 750.....although there are also sales on Bulleit, Makers Mark, and Knob Creek 1.75's I could get one of everything, but I don't think my kids would appreciate Santa bringing them Bourbon!!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Blind Mind RE: imhungryletseat Dec 20, 2011 01:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I bet they would after a few sips!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Agreed on the "low octane" of BH at 80 proof but that's sorta what I like about it. I don't have to think about it and can just enjoy it. I was perplexed when my favorite bar used it in a cocktail on their brunch menu because I didn't think the whiskey would come through at all. It turns out it's one of my favorite daytime cocktails now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I've made a mental note to get back into WT again. I will say that the OGD 114 is hard to get away from at the price but a side by side comparison could be fun.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. Blind Mind RE: SauceSupreme Jan 24, 2012 06:06 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm really enjoying a couple of bourbons out of Virginia right now - Abraham Bowman (barrel #1 from TPS) and John J. Bowman Single Barrel. The Abraham is barrel strength and weighs in around 138proof which makes it a little hot on entry but soon gives way to some tasty spice and a layer of sweetness with lots of caramel and vanilla. John J Bowman is a lot more palatable at 100 proof and easily sipped neat. Very smooth whiskey with nice toffee, vanilla, leather, and a bit of nuttiness to it. I read a rumor that this whiskey is Buffalo Trace distillate that is aged in Virginia at the A. Smith Bowman distillery. More proof to that rumor can be found on the Buffalo Trace website, www.greatbourbon.com, where they list the Bowman products under their whiskey brands. Great stuff if you can snag it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          scubadoo97 RE: Blind Mind Jan 24, 2012 08:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Abraham Bowman bourbon and rye has been stellar. Too bad the Limited Edition Rye is all gone. Should have snagged more from TPS when it was around. What they do with the distillate back in Virgina is magic.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            sku RE: Blind Mind Jan 24, 2012 09:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The Buffalo Trace and Bowman Distilleries have common ownsership (The Sazerac Co.). The Bowman label whiskeys get their first distillation at Buffalo Trace in Kentucky and are then redistilled and aged at the Bowman Distillery in Virginia.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bowman was long home to the Virginia Gentleman brand which is a good bargain whiskey, but they have recently have new distillery management and have really stepped up with the Bowman label. The Bowman rye from The Party Source is also excellent stuff.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              hhmoore RE: Blind Mind Jan 24, 2012 08:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I just placed an order for a couple bottles of John J Bowman single barrel (and I figured I might as well grab a bottle of the Abraham Bowman, as well). Thanks for the tip!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. Blind Mind RE: SauceSupreme Apr 11, 2012 11:07 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Thought I'd update this post with what I've been enjoying lately...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I've been hitting the Rock Hill Farms again and just love the stuff. Also have really enjoyed Hancock's President's Reserve as a nice mid-range value. Four Roses Small Batch & Single Barrel also getting lots of play on my home bar. I normally drink neat or rocky but have found that the high rye content of the single barrel makes for a great Manhattan.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I also stumbled upon what could be the best value bourbon I've tasted to date - Evan Williams 1783. This is a small batch (as ambiguous as the term can be) bourbon aged for 10 years. At 86 proof, it's an easy sipper. Some notes of chocolate, oak, nuttiness, and a mildly spicy finish. I've mostly sipped neat or with one tiny cube of ice as I've found too much ice or water drowns out the flavor considerably. I haven't tried mixing up any cocktails At $9.99 for a 750ml bottle, this is one to give a shot for sure.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ncyankee101 RE: Blind Mind Apr 11, 2012 11:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I went through a 375 ml bottle of that a while back,when I first started drinking Bourbon. I never really tasted in critically, but I remember it being decent, I might give it another try.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I think I had bought Ancient Ancient Age at around that same time and was very impressed with it for $14 a 750 (which is the same price as EW 1783 here), though I don't currently have a bottle of that one on hand.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  hhmoore RE: ncyankee101 Apr 11, 2012 07:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I've been enjoying Noah's Mill quite a bit (bought another bottle recently, just to make sure I have it on hand). I also started sampling the Colonel EH Taylor "Tornado", which I found better than the single barrel; and got reacquainted with Bulleit last weekend with a group of friends.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Blind Mind RE: ncyankee101 Apr 12, 2012 08:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm a HUGE fan of Ancient Ancient Age. I have 2 bottles on the home bar, one being a private barrel selection. Great juice at a great price.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    PaulF RE: Blind Mind Apr 13, 2012 08:53 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Good rec.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I've been enjoying Elijah Craig lately.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The Beverage Warehouse in my neighborhood gets a whole barrel bottled after taste testing and the bottle I've got is really nice. I'm not expert enough to note the distinctive flavors -- I just like it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    metalrules RE: SauceSupreme Apr 25, 2012 09:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    What do you think about Ezra Brooks and Old Ezra 101? to me e.b. has a great taste that is better than jack. for the price - you just cant beat it for the quality and the taste. i havent had old ezra 101 yet -- but i will soon. i also like Wild Turkey 101 - but again why spend the extra $ if you dont have to.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      PeterB RE: SauceSupreme Apr 26, 2012 04:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Finally tried Old Forester and have to say it is good for an inexpensive bourbon. I mostly use it to make Old Fashioneds. With ice. I have Jim Beam Rye for Sazeracs.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        curseofleisure RE: SauceSupreme Apr 26, 2012 08:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I tried Old Weller 107 recently and was extremely impressed. Plan to buy a bottle soon.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          metalrules RE: SauceSupreme Apr 27, 2012 07:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Since i do like Ezra Brooks --- what other bourbons that are in that price range are better? I still want to check out Old Ezra 101 --- i have also herd alot about George Dickle and Old Grandad 114. what should i check out?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Blind Mind RE: metalrules Apr 29, 2012 11:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Strongly recommend OGD 114. Great value there. Here's a post I did awhile back on bourbons under $30 that you might find helpful.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ncyankee101 RE: Blind Mind Apr 29, 2012 12:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I have to say I would second everything on your list I have had, except for Eagle rare - I know a lot of people are fans of that one but I just didn't love it, though I wanted to. There just seems to be nothing in the mid-palate, compared to lower priced (in NC) Bourbons I really like such as EC 12, OGD 114 and Old weller 107 (I have yet to try the 12 yr but it is definitely on my list.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I have yet to try the Corner Creek, Jefferson's or EWSB. Have had the basic Old Forest but not the Signature, is it a big improvement.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I will be getting a bottle of 1792 Ridgemont reserve next weekend, have you had that?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ncyankee101 RE: ncyankee101 Apr 30, 2012 12:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Just another note on the Eagle rare 10 yr - I bought a bottle of this in January, drank about half the bottle over the course of the next few weeks as I find many liquors improve a lot after being open a couple days to a week, but I just never found it very interesting.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I just had this again for the first time in maybe 2 months and I would have to admit it seems to have improved somewhat from exposure to air. While I still wouldn't put it among my favorite Bourbons, the bland sweet entry now seems to have a pleasant cinnamon toast kind of thing going on, like what I get from some better Bourbons after adding water or ice. Still not much going on in the mid palate but it does seem to be a definite improvement over the freshly opened bottle.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Blind Mind RE: ncyankee101 May 1, 2012 07:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Glad you liked the post. There are a few others I could've put up there but held it to 10. 1792 is just OK to me. I will admit it's been some time since I last sipped it and since I don't have a bottle on my bar already maybe I'll go pick one up to add to the collection.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I like the Forrester Signature for it's chocolatey notes and for variety. I'm not one to drink the same whiskey every night. I like to switch it up. The Forrester Birthday Bourbon is pretty good too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Had Corner Creek last night while out watching the Heat vs Knicks game. I'd forgotten about that for awhile. Remembered how easy it is to sip although I must admit I found it to be pretty sweet too.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ncyankee101 RE: Blind Mind May 15, 2012 11:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Well I got that bottle of 1792 - gotta say though there is nothing bad about it, it is definitely not very interesting. Reminds me a lot of Maker's mark, sweet entry no middle decent finish though with some nice wood. I didn't notice the bitterness that Sku did in his review at LA Whiskey society.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Very nice bottle, glad I only paid $20 for this.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    At least it doesn't have the off taste I noted in the Eagle rare 10 yr when I first opened it - I am going to let this one sit a while and see if air helps it as it did with that one.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Blind Mind RE: ncyankee101 May 17, 2012 03:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I too went out and got a bottle and confirmed my recollection that it's merely OK. It'll get consumed though. Like you I paid $19.99 so not too bad.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Made a couple Manhattans with Redemption High Rye Bourbon last week that were terrific. I'm not 100% but I believe this is the 2nd highest rye content in a bourbon next to Four Roses Single Barrel. Not overly tasty but provides enough bang for the buck and allows the booze to shine in a cocktail.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        sku RE: Blind Mind May 17, 2012 07:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Actually, Redemption has slightly more rye that Four Roses. Redemption's mashbill is 60% corn, 38.2% rye and 1.8% barley. The mashbill that Four Roses uses for their regular single barres (OBSV) is 60% corn, 35% rye, 5% malted barley. And there are some higher rye mashbills that have been used in smaller productions. A bourbon called Hooker's House (made in Kentucky but bottled by a California company) has a 54% corn and 46% rye bill.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Blind Mind RE: sku May 18, 2012 06:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          aw crap, I thought Redemption was 30%...on the road and no bottle in front of me. Too lazy to research online = fail. Haha

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. Dapuma RE: SauceSupreme May 16, 2012 02:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            makers mark 46 - really like that for manhattens

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            also tried a four roses manhatten which i enjoyed as well

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            both with vya vermouth

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scubadoo97 RE: Dapuma May 16, 2012 05:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Can't seem to find Vya in my area :-(

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              FR is a high rye bourbon so does work well in manhattens.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              MM46 is by far their best product.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Dapuma RE: scubadoo97 May 17, 2012 10:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                i have to try the vya with a negroni but if it can hold up in there it could be my overall go to - carpano doesnt make a good negroni and punt e mas doesnt seem like it would make a good manhatten (but i have not tried)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                having two or 3 open bottles of sweet vermouth is just a waste - although delicious until they start to go bad

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  EvergreenDan RE: Dapuma May 18, 2012 05:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  If you like Punt e Mes on its own, then I think you will like it in a Manhattan. You may end up using a bit less than you would a normal sweet vermouth to avoid overwhelming the Manhattan. It lacks the vanilla of Antica Formula, making it more flexibile. Punt e Mes has become my house sweet vermouth, but then I'm a bitterness evangelist.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Unlike dry vermouth, sweet vermouth lasts a looooong time if refrigerated and evacuated.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Dapuma RE: EvergreenDan May 18, 2012 02:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    what about just refrigerated?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    i havent gotten a vac system (i should but i havent)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      EvergreenDan RE: Dapuma May 18, 2012 05:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Don't know, but the vacu-vin seems available is most good liquor stores. It is cheap and only a slight pain to use. Just buy one.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Dapuma RE: EvergreenDan May 18, 2012 10:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ordered, will have it tuesday :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        no idea why have been so stubborn on getting it

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          EvergreenDan RE: Dapuma May 19, 2012 05:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Surprised you couldn't find it locally. Buy extra corks. One for every bottle that you think you might have open, plus one or two for wines that you don't finish.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              JNUNZMAN RE: SauceSupreme Jun 4, 2012 08:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I just had a buddy give me a bottle of E.H. Taylor Tornado Surviving bourbon.........Excellent!!! Apparently Buffalo Trace had a local tornado blow the roof off of an aging building which exposed the barrels to the elements until they could construct a new building, which imparted a different flavor profile to the bourbon. I'm not sure if I would have bought it myself given the $75 price tag, but regardless, it is excellent.,

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Blind Mind RE: JNUNZMAN Jun 4, 2012 01:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Tried that on Saturday and agree that it is excellent. The sour mash and single barrel offerings under the E.H. Taylor label were also fantastic. I found the Single Barrel for much less at Specs in Houston when I visited there. Price was $58 for cash purchase.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                robky RE: SauceSupreme Jun 13, 2012 01:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I am born and raised in Kentucky and I like my bourbon. I personally like sipping my bourbon neat, rather than in cocktails. So that probably influences my choices.Call me a snob, but I don't like my bourbons lower than 90 proof. I have tried pretty much every bourbon there is, but there are a few which I always keep coming back to. First, my go-to bourbon is Maker's Mark. I find that it is smooth yet still strong. At 90 proof, it is a good staple bourbon. I don't tend to get hangovers with it either. I always have a bottle of Makers handy! I like Knob Creek too, but not as much as Makers. It gets a bad rap in some areas, but Wild Turkey 101 is really a great bourbon too. It is quite complex, and very rye-heavy. I don't even like rye-heavy bourbons, but Wild Turkey 101 is an exception. It tastes of oak, charred wood, burnt sugar, and has a wonderful long burn to it that lingers. It wouldn't be my go-to bourbon, but Wild Turkey 101 is underrated and an excellent product. Master Distiller Jimmy Russell has been making Wild Turkey the same for over 50 years. I love some Wild Turkey in the winter. One bourbon that I can't stand is Bulleit. It's very rye-heavy, but it just tasted like medicine to me. No real complexity that I could pick up. The best bourbon I have tried lately is Bookers, by Jim Beam, at a whopping 120-plus proof, right out of the barrel, no watering down! It is so smooth for such a high proof bourbon. Dangerously good. But not for everyday use! My everyday bourbon will remain Makers Mark, it's just my favorite of all.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  jgg13 RE: robky Jun 13, 2012 08:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  If I didn't know that the bourbons you mention were from different companies I might actually make a bold statement about the veracity of your claims. But I do know that these are different companies, so I won't.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. McCleanman RE: SauceSupreme Jun 13, 2012 02:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Haven't checked to see if anyone has mentioned it yet....but,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Prichard's Double Barrel Bourbon is one of the best I have had in a while.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  On another note, I am very excited to try High West's new bourbon "Camp Fire" a mix between both bourbon and scotch.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. PaulF RE: SauceSupreme Jun 14, 2012 11:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm about to open a bottle of Suntory Yamazaki Whiskey.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Technically not a bourbon, I just realized, but I've been looking forward to trying it. I asked for a bottle for my birthday and that's what I got.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      JNUNZMAN RE: PaulF Jul 27, 2012 02:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      and how was it?????? Inquiring minds want to know!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        CornellWilliams RE: PaulF Mar 27, 2013 03:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I loved the Yamazaki. Lost it on a bet without even trying it. Made sure to have a glass every time I went to my buddy's house. I'd buy it again.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        curseofleisure RE: SauceSupreme Jun 14, 2012 11:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        It has to my attention that today is ”NATIONAL BOURBON DAY” in case anyone needed a excuse.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Blind Mind RE: curseofleisure Jun 14, 2012 01:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that to most people posting here every day is National Bourbon Day! :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I've been having a mean affair with Weller Antique lately. I love the stuff and can get it under $30/bottle. At 107 proof, this wheater is a keeper, big time. I once heard rumblings that it's the same mash bill as Pappy 15yr but have yet to confirm. I will be doing a side by side comparison soon.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            scubadoo97 RE: Blind Mind Jun 14, 2012 03:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Do a blind tasting Blind MInd. Let us know how it came out

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            OWA is an excellent whiskey and a great value at that. 107 is just enough alcohol to carry a lot of flavor yet still be very pleasant to drink neat.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              sku RE: Blind Mind Jun 14, 2012 10:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Pappy 15 changes from year to year as it is sometimes blends of bourbons made at different distilleries, but a good portion of it (and possibly all of it for some releases) since last year has been the Buffalo Trace wheated mash which is, indeed, the same mash used for all the Weller whiskies.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                JMF RE: Blind Mind Jun 15, 2012 06:02 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I've been enjoying that lately as well. A nice wheater and at $23 near me a steal.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Blind Mind RE: JMF Jun 15, 2012 11:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  $23 for the Antique?!?!?! That IS a steal!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I also thought using OWA as a base for my Benton's Bourbon that I infused with Allen Benton's bacon (aka the best bacon ever created) worked out really well. I figured a wheater would be more of a blank canvas for the smokiness of this bacon and I was right. If you haven't tried Benton's bacon and are a bacon lover, it's a must do. So smokey you can smell it through the box it comes in. The Benton's Old Fashioned is a winner!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I also used the Weller 12yr and infused with citrus and vanilla. It made for an awesome after dinner sipper.