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condorito Oct 1, 2007 10:24 AM

Ate at Mr. Chow's for the first time this weekend. NOT MY CHOICE. The wine list was the worst I have seen anywhere, ever.

Where are the other awful, dreadful wine lists in this town?

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    manku RE: condorito Oct 1, 2007 11:01 AM

    I assume you mean high markups...

    Mastro's has without a doubt the highest markups in the city 500-700%+...even with a $35 corkage, BYO.

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      goodhealthgourmet RE: manku Oct 1, 2007 11:18 AM

      i don't think the op necessarily meant high markups [although that sucks too]. more likely the problem was either limited options or wines that don't pair well with the food.

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        RicRios RE: manku Oct 1, 2007 05:47 PM

        Sorry, but the winner is ... Capo.

        (And doubly cursed, b/c of shared ownership w/ Wally's...)

      2. ElJeffe RE: condorito Oct 1, 2007 11:21 AM

        LOL. Funny topic suggestion. How about every neighborhood Thai & Chinese restaurant? That's where Kenwood makes their money.

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          monkuboy RE: ElJeffe Oct 1, 2007 12:28 PM

          I agree. Although Kenwood would be a significant step up from the usual bottles that appear on the very short list. At least the stemware matches the caliber of the wines, though.

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            Pei RE: monkuboy Oct 1, 2007 01:25 PM

            I've seen Charles Shaw going for $10.

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              monkuboy RE: Pei Oct 1, 2007 03:30 PM

              That's pretty severe, a 5x retail markup, lol.

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                Grog RE: Pei Oct 1, 2007 03:33 PM

                Well that would be illegal. First, Trader Joes has the exclusive rights on the CS brand. Second, it is illegal for any retailer to sell wine purchased from a retail location (i.e. non-distributor).

          2. hrhboo RE: condorito Oct 1, 2007 12:05 PM

            Bodega Wine bar. I have no idea how this place can possibly bill itself as a wine bar when all the wines are the same price and are all equally bad. The food isn't great either.

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              Woolsey RE: hrhboo Oct 1, 2007 12:18 PM

              Is that Bodega deCordova?

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                hrhboo RE: Woolsey Oct 1, 2007 12:37 PM

                No. Bodega Wine Bar is in Santa Monica and I believe Pasadena.

                http://bodegawinebar.com/

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                  SauceSupreme RE: hrhboo Oct 1, 2007 11:18 PM

                  I went to Bodega for a mixer event and had one decent glass of wine but the rest of the menu was Eh. Call it my internal Deathwatch, but a place so underwhelming could never last.

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                    jbeecher RE: SauceSupreme Oct 2, 2007 12:00 AM

                    i have been underwhelmed twice but both times i've been there it's been absolutely packed. god knows how they're doing it but they have some time to go i think.

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                      hrhboo RE: jbeecher Oct 2, 2007 11:33 AM

                      You're right, it is always packed. They also have the worst cheese plate I have ever been served, and it's quite hard to mess up a cheese plate! The atmosphere at the SM location is fun and there aren't many other bars with a similar vibe in the area so I continue to go there.

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                  carter RE: Woolsey Oct 1, 2007 04:24 PM

                  I believe Bodega deCordova is out of business.

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                    michaelyee RE: carter Oct 1, 2007 11:10 PM

                    No really? I did hear a rumor it was for sale...

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                  ElJeffe RE: hrhboo Oct 1, 2007 02:10 PM

                  Yep, totally agree. Not a bad atmosphere but the food has been terrible outside of the painfully easy (hummus) and the wine list is very hit or miss. I've also had very bad luck at BottleRock in Culver City, even though its a place I really want to like.

                  I loved the Vinum Populi pour your own experience.

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                    The Oracle RE: ElJeffe Oct 1, 2007 04:48 PM

                    third this. although, believe it or not, the wines seem to have improved since their opening some years ago (pasadena location reference only).

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                    michaelyee RE: hrhboo Oct 1, 2007 11:12 PM

                    So true! I can appreciate the concept—making wine more accessible—but it was all plonk. I would have been willing to pay more for better.

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                      Ali B RE: hrhboo May 7, 2008 09:50 AM

                      I went to Bodega last night (a Tuesday), and while I agree the wine isn't great (as the bartender astutely put it, "you won't be finding any Opus I on this list") it is drinkable and reasonably priced. On Tuesday night, you can get any bottle of wine on the list for $20 (except wines on the "premium" list). Granted these bottles are probably $8 at Ralph's, but $20 for a passable bottle of wine in a restaurant isn't too terrible. The food's not awful either, but I would say that the food and wine are there to compliment the atmosphere and not the other way around. Definitely not a great foodie hangout, but not a bad place. The chopped salad is actually pretty good and the grilled brie on fig challah was decent as well.

                    2. Bon Vivant RE: condorito Oct 1, 2007 05:57 PM

                      Red Pearl Kitchen. There are wines that do complement Asian food but I guess that's too hard of a concept for the "wine director" to understand.

                      http://myculinaryadventures.blogspot.com

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                        Adsvino RE: condorito Oct 1, 2007 06:13 PM

                        Cezanne in the Le Merigot Hotel. Bodega De Cordoba Wine Bar. Most all mexican restaurants (sangria not included).

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                          amapola RE: condorito Oct 2, 2007 01:12 PM

                          Red, White + Bluezz Wine Bar in Pasadena -- they don't even list the vintages of the wine, at a winebar nonetheless... totally inexcusable, plus the selection and the food is horrible.

                          1. BasilKitty RE: condorito May 7, 2008 11:07 AM

                            I went to Delmonicos last night (not my choice - the birthday girl chose it) and the wine list was so lacking!!! And then it tasted like it had been sitting around for days ... YUCK!

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