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Italian bread search - "ciopa"

bubby Sep 7, 2007 02:01 PM

I'm in search of a type of Italian bread my family once was able to purchase from local bakeris a few decades back on the south side/Roseland neighborhood.

Description: A type of crusty, thick bread from the Veneto.
Pronounced: CHYOH-pah (also 'cho-pee')
Language: Italian

The finished product has four or six tips or knobs. Somewhat similar to challah bread but smaller and less uniform - more bumpy/pointy. Anyone ever heard of this or know of any bakeries still making this today?

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    dramisino Jan 16, 2011 07:59 AM

    One must go to Rockford to get real Cioppi (sp?)
    There ARE safety rules that prohibit making in large bakeries. They are hand crafted. When I was a kid we would go nuts for it.

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    1. re: dramisino
      bubby Jan 20, 2011 06:14 AM

      We indeed drove to Rockford from Chicago to pick up our pre-ordered ciopette from Steve at Piemonte Bakery. You *must* pre-order the bread for pick it up on Saturdays only, before noon. Steve was great, very accomodating and gave us some great bread. However, when I delivered it to my Roseland-raised mother, she said it wasn't like the ciope she had when she was a kid. It was fine bread, but apparently not what she remembered. Dang! Here are pics of the Piemonte Bakery ciopette:

      1. re: bubby
        pixie7960 Jun 19, 2011 05:16 AM

        I also took the trip to Rockford. My mother, my sister, my brother-in-law and I. It was a great road trip as I live in Indiana. My mother said the bread is not the same. It's not the same texture, shape, or taste. My grandparents were also from Vicenza. They lived in Pullman. Ednesto (not sure of the spelling) lived next door to them. He was the baker at one of the bakeries and used to make the bread. I just remember wonderful Sunday dinners. I can remember going into the cellar with my grandmother to get the wine that they made. I remember the Market Place in the middle of the intersection. I have great memories, but no recipe! My mother is going to call her relatives in Italy. I hope she gets the recipe from them.

        Market Place Cafe
        207 W Main St, Bensenville, IL 60106

        1. re: pixie7960
          CJM Costante Jun 19, 2011 08:17 AM

          If you read the above thread, it has been pointed out a cople of times that the Rockford ciope isn;t the same shape, texture, or taste that we were familiar with years ago. Have you looked in the mirror lately--anything there that same as it was years ago?--the same for the ciope. 1) the bread is a different shape because it has moisture/gases in it that gives it shelf life. Remember the Sunday ciope became the Monday coffee dunker. 2) Ciope was made by forcing out all the gases--see above) 3) Hard dough was used to attain the 'cornetti' or horns which added to its going stale in one day. I've contacted the Bakers Commerce Commission in Venice and they gave me the name of a few bakeries that 'might' make ciope. Otherwise you can check with Italian bakeries in Kenosha WI where I haven't had any luck with Paielli's Bakery. CJ

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            mamadancer Nov 6, 2011 10:08 AM

            CM, I loved your reply about nobody has the same shape, etc from years ago. How true that is. But, it sounds like a much closer alternative than what you can find in the markets. You posted that the Bakers Commerce Commission in Venice gave the name of a few bakeries that might make ciope. I'm sorry to hear that you haven't had any luck. I just went to the Paielli's Bakery website and I will also inquire about ciope, whether they make them or not. If I hear anything, I will post. Obviously, if I don't, you'll know that they didn't give me any info. If you get any info, please email me at mardance@yahoo.com. Thank you

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              CJM Costante Nov 6, 2011 05:23 PM

              mardance I've already contacted Paielli's in Milwaukee via e-mail and telephone. I called them after I didn't get a response to my e-mail. The girl that answered told me the manager was on vacation which is why there was no reply to my e-mail but they don't make ciope or anything similar.l

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      Hibiscus3 Jan 3, 2011 03:49 PM

      Know this type of rolls/bread. My mother-in-law was born in Vicenza, Italy. Her mother made/baked them, and she continued the tradition. She gave me the recipe and showed me how to make it. They are absolutely delicious, and time consuming, but worth the work. One of my sons also makes them. He lived in The Vicenza area and found our relatives there. The name/word "ciopa/cioppa" means tasty pieces of bread, according to the people from Vicenza. When I make them, I make a big batch and freeze them. They are shaped/formed and the "horns" develop as they "raise.". Hope this answers your question. They DO exist......

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        Culinaria Jun 14, 2010 06:22 AM

        I think the three locations posted by amoncada are on the money. That or I'd head out NW to the Harlem/Irving area and go up and down Harlem between Lawrence all the way down to Fullerton. Perhaps call and ask. Loads of Italian bakeries and delis there.

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          CJM Costante Jan 27, 2009 11:27 AM

          Forgot to mention, also contacted Gonella//Torino and they stopped making it when OSHIA wanted guards added to the chiopette making machine. The baker couldn't get at the dough so they stopped making the bread. CJM

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          1. re: CJM Costante
            mcunico Feb 7, 2010 09:53 AM

            Has anyone found were to purchase chopia? There is nothing else quite like it.

            1. re: mcunico
              CJM Costante Jun 13, 2010 06:12 PM

              The above link is the result of my search for ciopa or ciopette. Making ciopa at home is a daunting task that many Veneti descendants have tried. It takes the skill and patience of a professional--I defer to Steve McKeever (nee Dodaro)--Piemonte Bakery in Rockford, Illinois. Buon Aguri a Tutti!

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            CJM Costante Jan 27, 2009 11:25 AM

            I'm on the great Italian Ciopette Hunt. Regardless of how it is spelled we're seeking the same nostalgic holy grail. I'll past a description I found on the net. I was calling the points of the bread 'elbow-like' but 'horns' is a more suitable description.

            Italian - (followed by translation)
            La Ciopa e il Ciopon
            È la “Ciòpa” (con il “fratello maggiore” Ciopòn) a rappresentare la tradizione panaria popolare dei vicentini. Si tratta di un tipico pane a pasta dura che in origine subiva il processo della doppia cottura (o cottura a secco), veniva cioè cotto in forno e poi asciugato in biscottiera (da qui la definizione “pan ben coto”).
            La tradizione della doppia cottura, comune alle aree più umide del Nord Italia, trae origine anche dall’esigenza di garantire al prodotto la maggiore commestibilità (non dimentichiamo che sino agli anni ’40 anche il territorio vicentino era zona molto “umida”).
            Oggi nel vicentino è più raro ritrovare la tradizione della doppia cottura, praticata abitualmente ancora solo in alcune zone dell’alto vicentino.
            Qualcuno ricorda che nella tradizione popolare le “Ciòpe” appena sfornate erano riposte in appositi cesti, poi appesi con cordicelle alle travi di legno del soffitto (…comunque lontano dalle “tentazioni” dei bambini) al fine di prolungarne quanto più possibile la consumabilità.
            La Ciòpa tradizionale aveva 4 o 6 “corni” e pesava circa 100 grammi.

            The Chop and Ciopon
            It is the "Chop" (with the "big brother" Ciopòn) to represent the tradition of popular Panaria Vicenza. This is a typical bread dough that lasts originally suffered the double process of cooking (or cooking dry), that was baked in the oven and then dried in biscottiera (hence the term "pan well coto").
            The tradition of double cooking, common to most humid areas of northern Italy, also stems from the need to ensure the product more edibility (not forget that until the 40s the territory Vicenza area was very "wet").
            Today in Vicenza is more rare to find the tradition of double cooking, yet usually only practiced in some parts of the Vicenza.
            Someone points out that in the tradition of the popular "Chop" just sfornate were placed in special baskets, then hung with cords to the wooden beams of the ceiling (... still far from the "temptations" of children) in order to extend as much as possible consumabilità.
            Chop had the traditional 4 or 6 "horns" and weighed about 100 grams.


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            1. re: CJM Costante
              asartori May 27, 2009 02:27 PM

              I grew up in the same Roseland area and remember the bread as well. I have tried to make the (chopi) bread with no success. Has anyone found a recipe that comes close? Please share!

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                keroseland Aug 29, 2009 10:58 AM

                I also grew up in the same Roseland area and remember the bread as well. I am also looking for a recipe - did you have any luck finding one? Please share!

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                  asartori Sep 28, 2009 03:17 PM

                  No I havn't found a recipe yet, but I keep trying. I have a couple that I need to try. I'll keep you informed. Do you remember the name of the store where you used to get the Chopi?

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                    keroseland Oct 13, 2009 09:08 AM

                    The name of the store is Del Santo's (not sure of the spelling) they moved to Calument City and then further south around Salk Trail. They stopped making chopa a long time ago. I cann't believe that It's so hard to find the recipe - even with google.

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                      asartori Oct 18, 2009 07:17 AM

                      I thought that was the name of the store. Thanks for the update.

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                  Hibiscus3 Jan 3, 2011 01:24 PM

                  They are called cioppa or ciopa, and pronounced cho-pah. My mother-in-law made them regularly and froze them. They are very delicious and not too easy to make, but they are truly worth the work!! She gave me the recipe and showed me how to make them. I make them on occasion and freeze them. One of my sons also makes them. He was living in Vicenza, Italy for a few years and looked up family there. The word, cioppa/ciopa means "tasty pieces of bread" in Italian, they told him in Italy.

                  1. re: Hibiscus3
                    The Chowhound Team Oct 31, 2012 09:12 AM

                    We removed a bunch of requests for recipes to be emailed from this thread since they had people posting their email addresses publicly. Hibiscus3, if you're willing, it would be great if you could post this recipe on the Home Cooking board ( http://chowhound.chow.com/boards/31 ) since lots of people seem very interested. That way, everyone who is searching for it would be able to find it.

                3. re: CJM Costante
                  nonna1 May 3, 2010 07:48 PM

                  My family is also originally from Roseland. I remember going to church at St. Anthony di Padua on 115th.St. and then my Dad would go across the street with Nonno to the bakery and buy the chiopette.for Sunday dinner. I believe that it is a regional bread - only made in Veneto. (My family is from the provence of Vicenza.) I have never been able to find a source for this bread or even a recipe for it. None of my friends even know of it as their families are from different areas of Italy. So yes, the Chiopette hunt continues!!

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                  amoncada Sep 13, 2007 11:25 AM

                  D'Amato Bakery
                  1124 W Grand Ave
                  Chicago, IL

                  Naples Bakery
                  (708) 424-1810
                  3705 W 95th St
                  Evergreen Park, IL

                  Italian Bakery
                  82 E Lake St
                  Addison, IL

                  Also try Cafe Da Luciano in Roselle. The Libreri family is wonderful. They bake their own breads and I'm sure they'll make you a batch if you call ahead. This place is really charming and full of born and bred Sicilians.

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                  1. re: amoncada
                    fryrose Sep 24, 2007 11:31 AM

                    I did a search for ciopa-my non-Italian family thought it was spelled chopee. I was referred to D'Amato's bakery and they had no idea what I was talking about. My family used to get ciopa at Torino's bakery on 115th Street in Roseland. I hope that is right-I asked my parents and it was long ago. I hope you find some. If you do, please report back. Now, if we could find rye bread like Slik's bakery used to have...

                  2. kathinmadrid Sep 7, 2007 02:27 PM

                    Ciapatta or also called ciabatta? If you have a Spanish bakery around, the Spanish version is chapata. Same thing and delicious.

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                    1. re: kathinmadrid
                      bubby Sep 7, 2007 02:38 PM

                      Nope, I think it's different. My Italian uncle clearly pronounces it 'cho-pee'.

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                        Dianne22 Jan 29, 2009 07:26 PM

                        My husband grew up in Roseland and we go to Italy often. I Chop-ee di pan is difficult to find even in the veneto today. Chopee (I have no idea how to spell it properly and I lent out my italian food dictionary) is a pasta (dough) that is worked intensively by hand and it has a firm texture. The bread your uncle probably remembers had "cornetti" pulled out bumps almost like large jacks we played with as kids. I think there is a family bakery in wisconsin or you can actually go to Italy and there is one bakery near the Marco Polo airport in Venice That still does bread like that. My husband has brought them back for his dad and buddies who all remember that special bread from Roseland.

                        1. re: Dianne22
                          CJM Costante Jan 13, 2012 09:14 AM

                          Dianne, Is there any chance that you have the name of that bakery on the way to Marco Polo Aeroporto? A couple people I know have looked for one that made ciope and couldn't find it. Thanks. CJ Martello

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