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Celebrating the Summer of Love - Suggestions?

Melanie Wong Aug 11, 2007 11:44 PM

With my telly tuned at the moment to KQED's Monterey Pop: The Summer of Love,
http://www.kqed.org/programs/tv/program-landing.jsp?progID=16776 , I'm wondering how those of you who were here in San Francisco in 1967 would plan to celebrate the 40th anniversary, foodwise?

http://sfgate.com/summeroflove/
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2007/07/25/cstillwell.DTL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_of_Love

http://www.2b1records.com/summeroflov...

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    Moka Aug 13, 2007 03:35 PM

    This isn't about SF, but since you mentioned it, my husband was at the Monterey "Summer of Love" Pop Festival in '67 and still remembers it as one of the highlights of the times -- Hendrix, Janis, The Who, Otis, Eric, Byrds, and on and on... the first of its kind ever. Hope you enjoyed the show.

    After the festival, the group stayed a few days at Deetjen's Big Sur Inn. Deetjen's restaurant had a Cordon Bleu-trained chef at the time, who was famous for their leg of lamb dinners served with lots of Gallo wine. I'm sure there were also plenty of specially-baked brownies!

    Frugal Grandpa Deetjen built a retaining wall behind the Chateau Fiasco room that appropriately enough was built entirely of empty Gallo jugs (Spanada, anyone?), which I believe can still be seen on the hillside there today. We'll be celebrating our version of the 40th anniversary of the Monterey Summer of Love next month on the Monterey Peninsula and with at least one dinner at Deetjen's Big Sur Inn restaurant.

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      curiousgeo Aug 13, 2007 12:59 PM

      I've been meaning to reply to this thread, glad to see so many replies so far. Sure brings back memories of that time as a teenager visiting San Francisco. I recall going to Spenger's and Lupo's (now Tommaso's). Before heading over to the Fillmore Auditorium, the Spaghetti Factory was a favorite for carbo loading after inhaling some herb. Hey, I was young, it was cheap and within my price range with free second servings. A few years later in college I was able to upgrade to the Green Valley Restaurant in North Beach, a great family style Italian place now long gone. I loved the free house wine that came with every dinner.

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      1. re: curiousgeo
        Melanie Wong Aug 13, 2007 01:07 PM

        Ah, Tommaso's, now that's a good idea!

        Is Sodini's Green Valley the same as the one you remember?

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          wally Aug 13, 2007 01:56 PM

          The Tommaso's in North Beach has been called that for a very long time. Is there another one?

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            Melanie Wong Aug 13, 2007 01:59 PM

            Sorry, poor parsing on my part. I meant, is Sodini's Green Valley the same as the Green Valley that cg said is gone.

            1. re: wally
              Robert Lauriston Aug 13, 2007 02:00 PM

              Same place. It was Lupo's from 1935 to 1971, when the Cantolupos retired and the place was bought by their longtime waiter Tommy Chin, who renamed it Tommaso's.

              http://tommasosnorthbeach.com/ourrest...

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                wally Aug 13, 2007 02:11 PM

                I ate in a Tommaso's as Tommaso's in July or August of 1964. North Beach. My first anchovy.

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                  Robert Lauriston Aug 13, 2007 02:17 PM

                  I think you must be misremembering. The 1969 edition of Doris Muscatine's "A Cook's Tour of San Francisco" still has it as Lupo's.

            2. re: Melanie Wong
              rworange Aug 13, 2007 02:05 PM

              Anyone going to Golden Gate Park might consider Gaspare's on Geary for an old-fashioned Italian dinner.

            3. re: curiousgeo
              Robert Lauriston Aug 13, 2007 01:09 PM

              Green Valley's not gone. It's now called Sodini's Green Valley after the new (since 1992) owners.

              http://www.sodinisbertoluccis.com/his...

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                curiousgeo Aug 13, 2007 01:30 PM

                No kidding? I recall walking by maybe 10 years ago and not seeing it, maybe I just saw the Sodini sign. How's the food these days? I remember a chalkboard listing the main courses served that day, with tureens of minestrone soup, plates of salad, plates of spaghetti, then the main course, washed down with jugs of house red. A blessing for starving college students hitting the town on a Friday or Saturday night.

                1. re: curiousgeo
                  Robert Lauriston Aug 13, 2007 01:35 PM

                  I think Sodini's dropped the family-style dinners due to lack of demand. Capp's Corner still offers them.

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                    curiousgeo Aug 13, 2007 01:59 PM

                    Ok thanks. It was fun remembering those times. I don't think I would be able to eat as much today as I did 30 - 40 years ago anyway.

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              ML8000 Aug 12, 2007 10:30 PM

              How was the tomato-beef chow mein served at Silver Dragon?

              By chance was it with tomatoes, onions, green bell peppers and black beans, i.e., without ketchup and/or bright red sauce and not sweet? If anyone knows a place that cooks it this way...I'll buy you a plate.

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                susancinsf Aug 13, 2007 12:25 PM

                hmm...well perhaps in the middle of your two descriptions? I remember tomatoes, onions, green bell peppers for sure, and am not sure about the black beans, though I think it might have had them (?)...the sauce was well incorporated into the noodles (ie not what I would call a 'wet style' with sauce on top) and was red, but not bright red. But yes, on the sweet side.

                Sorry I can't be more help. Perhaps you should try it at Silver Dragon now and report back (though don't say I didn't warn you that most of the menu is now pretty unexciting or worse...).

              2. Gary Soup Aug 12, 2007 09:46 PM

                Jokes about Macrobiotics and bean sprouts aside, most of us ate at restaurants when we could afford it. Chances are it would have been at a restaurant mentioned in this book:

                http://www.clothmonkey.com/secret.htm

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                1. re: Gary Soup
                  MorganSF Aug 13, 2007 07:57 AM

                  Ha! I thought of that book too when I read Melanie's query. There is also the San Francisco Underground Gourmet guide, but I think that's a bit later--more 1970s. I actually own both books but couldn't lay my hands on them when I read this on Sunday.

                2. The Librarian Aug 12, 2007 08:50 PM

                  For dessert - Chocolate Decadence, a flourless chocolate cake that you served with raspberry sauce. Naturally washed down by various cheap red wines - Growers, Gallo, etc. and lots of dope!

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                    ML8000 Aug 12, 2007 08:03 PM

                    Cheese sandwiches with sprouts on Uprisings wholegrain bread and kool-aid, sitting on a blanket in GG Park. Granola (w/ carob) for dessert.

                    1. susancinsf Aug 12, 2007 03:11 PM

                      seems to me that the only way to avoid the types of food mentioned in previous posts, that I also associate with that time, is to celebrate with a picnic in the park! (more than anything else, I associate the summer of Love with GG Park...)

                      of course, back in 1967 I was barely a teenager, thankfully a bit young for that type of diet to appeal, and the places we went regularly (Sunday night dinners with the family) included Silver Dragon in Oakland's Chinatown...so either my taste has changed dramatically, or it has (still around, but not good enough that I would consider going for nostalgia's sake). Dinner was usually followed by ice cream at the original Dreyers or Fenton's on special occaisons....Spenger's was also sometimes on the rotation (sigh, another current miss), and on rare occaisons when we did venture into the City I remember a Japanese place that my father loved but its name is long gone from my memory...)

                      Actually, Fenton's might work. A few years later it was definitely the type of place we would go when the brownies took hold......

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                      1. re: susancinsf
                        Melanie Wong Aug 12, 2007 08:20 PM

                        Had actually been thinking about tomato-beef chow mein (the Soupster's fave) ala Silver Dragon.

                        -----
                        Spenger's Fresh Fish Grotto
                        1919 Fourth Street, Berkeley, CA 94710

                        Silver Dragon
                        835 Webster St, Oakland, CA 94607

                        Fenton's Creamery
                        4226 Piedmont Avenue, Oakland, CA 94611

                        1. re: Melanie Wong
                          susancinsf Aug 12, 2007 08:39 PM

                          yes, it sure was good 40 years ago, anyway! Though my father preferred the stir fried tomato beef... and we always had to have the won ton soup...seems hard to believe now, but the roots of my interest in chowhounding were probably formed at those Sunday night dinners at Silver Dragon.....

                          1. re: susancinsf
                            janetofreno Aug 12, 2007 10:09 PM

                            I don't remember ever going to a Japanese restaurant in San Francisco.....must have had too many of those brownies :-)

                            But I still crave that tomato beef chowmein a la Silver Dragon sometimes.....and of course the won ton soup...followed by a Rocky Road ice cream cone from Dreyer's....

                            But to answer Melanie's original question, I agree that a picnic in the park would be the perfect celebration!

                        2. re: susancinsf
                          The Librarian Aug 12, 2007 08:48 PM

                          Was the Japanese restaurant Mingei-Ya (not positive on spelling) on Union? We went there a lot in the 60's and 70's. I remember really liking it, but who knows if it was actually good and/or authentic!

                          1. re: The Librarian
                            Melanie Wong Aug 12, 2007 09:02 PM

                            I never had the pleasure of eating at Mingei-ya. However, a long time ago someone gave me the recipe for its salad dressing, a creamy o mizutaki sauce, which I posted here,
                            http://www.chowhound.com/topics/16702...

                            1. re: The Librarian
                              Gary Soup Aug 12, 2007 09:41 PM

                              I was thinking the same thing. It seemed to be the Gaijin's favorite in the 60's. It looked like we thought a Japanese restaurant should look. It featured "Country Style" cooking and was very rustic in appearance. In fact, it was owned by a Gaijin named Russ Rudzinski. He actually published a popular cookbook on Japanese Country cooking.

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                                Sarah Aug 12, 2007 10:11 PM

                                who/what's a gaijin? jewish person?

                                1. re: Sarah
                                  Gary Soup Aug 12, 2007 10:19 PM

                                  A non-Japanese, generally. Literally, a "foreigner" but even in the US we Caucasians are still "Gaijins" to Japanese, who themselves are the foreigners.

                                  1. re: Gary Soup
                                    rworange Aug 13, 2007 08:51 AM

                                    You should mention that term can be derogatory so people don't run around proudly calling themselves that ... though if anyone did it might apply.
                                    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gaijin
                                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaijin

                                    Anyway, anyone should know that on Sept 2nd there will be a Summer of Love festival at Speedway Meadow, Golden Gate Park. More about that and other SOL events at the Bay Guardian.
                                    http://www.sfbg.com/entry.php?entry_i...

                                    Though I was on the coast hosting Woodstock, if you do picnic in the park don't forget the wine ... Boone's Farm Apple, Blue Nun and Lancer's Rose ... or was it Matteus?

                                    And don't forget to be sure to wear some flowers in your hair ... which you can pick out of your mixed organic greens with edible flowers from Happy Boy Farm.

                                    1. re: rworange
                                      meatn3 Aug 28, 2007 10:30 PM

                                      Don't forget Cold Duck to drink!

                              2. re: The Librarian
                                susancinsf Aug 13, 2007 08:35 AM

                                You know, I think that indeed was it. In fact, I am almost sure, even though Janet doesn't remember...It was indeed rustic in appearance, but by my Father's standards of the time was fairly pricey (not that it was expensive, it just wasn't cheap), so while he loved it and always raved about it, I actually wasn't taken there very often.

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                                  Amata Aug 13, 2007 08:47 AM

                                  Hello Bay Area hounds,

                                  I've enjoyed reading through this thread. My family spent the summer of 68 (Summer of Protest?) in Berkeley as part of a sabbatical year for my dad. The two restaurants I remember vividly from that time are Spengers and Mingei-ya, the latter especially for the nice Japanese waitress who patiently taught us little kids how to use chopsticks.

                                  I think the seeds of my current food obsession may have been planted during that summer in the Bay Area!

                                  ****
                                  as for a place to eat now, to remember the 'summer of love', it seems to me that Chez Panisse would be as appropriate a spot as any, given Alice Waters' personal history and her inspiration for the restaurant.

                                2. re: The Librarian
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                                  Kim Cooper Oct 13, 2007 08:54 PM

                                  I remember that one! I loved it, and it was different from all the other Japanese restaurants.

                                3. re: susancinsf
                                  Glencora Aug 13, 2007 12:33 PM

                                  Wow, that's exactly what we did in the early 70s.

                                  Was the juice bar (is that the right name?) in Walnut Square there in '68? Going there is one of my earliest memories. Cream cheese on date bread, I think. It seems to be unchanged after all these years.

                                  1. re: Glencora
                                    Robert Lauriston Aug 13, 2007 01:02 PM

                                    Oh yeah, the Juice Bar Collective's definitely caught in a time warp.

                                4. Robert Lauriston Aug 12, 2007 11:10 AM

                                  Are the Hare Krishnas still around and if so do they still serve a free lunch on the weekend?

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                                  1. re: Robert Lauriston
                                    sgwood415 Aug 12, 2007 03:15 PM

                                    They were in Palo Alto on University Ave about 3 weeks ago. Not sure if it's a regular hang out for them. But they were in the plaza next to Pizza My Heart in the afternoon.

                                  2. Paul H Aug 12, 2007 11:02 AM

                                    Acorn squash, tofu, brown rice, mushrooms, bean sprouts, raw nuts, all of it sprinkled with wheat germ. I'm glad it is 40 years ago.

                                    Greens would probably be the most appropriate place, or Café Gratitude.

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                                      wally Aug 12, 2007 11:44 AM

                                      As one who was here and lived in the Haight, you've got it. It really did take the blind munchies to eat a lot of that stuff.

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                                        Robert Lauriston Aug 12, 2007 12:13 PM

                                        Feel Real Organic Cafe and Millennium make modern versions of that food.

                                      2. re: Paul H
                                        sgwood415 Aug 12, 2007 03:17 PM

                                        And don't forget carob for dessert. Ugh.

                                        1. re: Paul H
                                          Melanie Wong Aug 28, 2007 10:47 AM

                                          A shy 'hound sent me this link to Max Ehrmann's "Desiderata" for this thread,
                                          http://hobbes.ncsa.uiuc.edu/desiderat... . I imagine this stanza might be how you feel about giving up that diet.

                                          "Take kindly the counsel of the years,
                                          gracefully surrendering the things of youth."

                                        2. Robert Lauriston Aug 12, 2007 10:30 AM

                                          You could go to Supperclub, Cafe Graditude, or Ananda Fuara. Those are pretty hippieish operations.

                                          Or to Magnoila Pub at Haight and Ashbury, former home of the Magnolia Thunderpussy dessert delivery service.

                                          http://www.magnoliapub.com/pub/histor...

                                          1. Gary Soup Aug 12, 2007 07:29 AM

                                            I was here but nothing sticks out, food-wise, except perhaps Chico-san rice cakes, Tamari soy sauce, chicken with brown rice and whatever else was Macrobiotically correct. I think the view was that anything that tasted good was nutritionally suspect.

                                            The Food Mill in Oakland (still around) was our Whole Foods. Monterey Market and Peets were already around, and the Cheese Board opened in the Fall of 1967, if you want to be creative, but none of those three were on the Flower Child radar.

                                            And oh yes, don't forget the Alice B. Toklas Brownies!

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                                            1. re: Gary Soup
                                              Melanie Wong Aug 12, 2007 10:48 AM

                                              Thanks, the ascetic food choices of the times seem strange compared to the sybaritic pursuit of so many other pleasures.

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                                                Gary Soup Aug 12, 2007 10:59 AM

                                                The brownies made everything taste better.

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