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Ali B Aug 10, 2007 09:53 AM

I'm moving to LA and wondering where to get the best burger around.

Thanks!!!

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    desidetergent Apr 13, 2009 08:21 PM

    For a pretty tasty burger, try the one at Lucille's(the bbq chain restaurant). It has been a consistently good burger. As I make my way down the list, anyone know of a burger similar to Molly's in NYC?(100% sirloin, beefy, juicy and no need for any toppings, except maybe a little coleman's mustard)

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      Harry Nile Apr 14, 2009 12:06 AM

      I haven't tried the one at Lucille's, but I've often found burgers to be the hidden gem (sometimes the only gem) at barbecue places. That said, I can't recall ever liking a sirloin burger, because they generally don't have enough fat to be as juicy and tasty as the 75%-80% ground-beef burgers. I'll give Lucy a tumble, however.

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      cdmedici May 7, 2008 05:44 PM

      I am all about the beef, but I tried the turkey burger at Akasha last week and it was by far the best turkey burger I have ever eaten. I went again today and tried the Angus burger....YUM. There is just something about Cow!!! The meat was so flavorful.

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        nrique Apr 24, 2008 09:36 PM

        BIG MIKES in Bellflower !
        Read my review here:
        http://www.chowhound.com/topics/512448

        And if half pound Patties scare you, there is a Lil Mike burger made with Quarter pound patties.

        BIG MIKES
        17845 Clark Ave.
        Bellflower, CA.

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          Fat Billie Apr 25, 2008 12:31 AM

          In and OUt

        2. tooth Apr 24, 2008 02:19 PM

          To mention a few others on the east side of LA there's The Bucket in Eagle Rock a favorite growing up and delicious to this day. The myrtle burger at the Ye Rustic Inn on Hillhurst used to be my favorite but the new place on Sunset, The Park has an excellent burger that is my current favorite. I used to work at 26 Beach and their burgers are great but too far west these days.

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          The Bucket
          4541 Eagle Rock Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90041

          Ye Rustic Inn
          1831 Hillhurst Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90027

          The Park
          1400 W Sunset Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90026

          1. adamhgraham Apr 21, 2008 02:22 AM

            The Original Bob's Big Boy has nice thin burgers, shredded iceberg lettuce, a great sauce and really soft buns and is a great alternative to the entirely too thick burgers that trendy restys all dole out. I like a soft, easy to eat burger.

            Astro Burger on Santa Monica Blvd in Weho is great too. Don't go to the one on Melrose, it's not as good.

            And In-n-Out is great, but ranks third for me.

            1. wutzizname Apr 20, 2008 07:25 PM

              Not sure if I'd rank it "the" best, but I just tried a burger that definitely makes it into my L.A. Top 5, and I don't believe it's been mentioned in the previous 200 posts.

              RAE'S DINER on Pico, btw. 29th & 30th, in Santa Monica.

              For those who've never been (like I hadn't) the place is a beautiful step back in time.

              And the half-pound, flame-broiled Rae Burger is excellent, with a distinct char flavor on the outside that stole my heart.

              And people, for $6.95, this giant burger comes with cheese, lettuce, tomato and pickles, AND great steak fries, AND a tiny little salad (just iceberg and dressing, but still).

              They've got quarter-pounders too for even less.

              What a find.

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              Rae's Restaurant
              2901 Pico Blvd, Santa Monica, CA 90405

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                ajgourmet Apr 15, 2008 02:07 PM

                Apple Pan.

                Hand's down. I love In-N-Out, but whenever I'm back in LA, if at all possible, Apple Pan is the place for me. The burgers, the fries and the waiters who have been there for 50 years pouring the ketchup in the flick of a wrist.

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                Apple Pan
                10801 W Pico Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90064

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                  pharmnerd Apr 15, 2008 01:47 PM

                  Anyone try one of the following? Have never been, but always heard good reviews from friends.

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                  The Shack
                  185 Culver Blvd, Playa Del Rey, CA 90293

                  Hamburger Habit WLA
                  11223 National Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90064

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                    Servorg Apr 15, 2008 05:20 PM

                    The Shack makes a fine burger (and they have another location on Wilshire in Santa Monica as well) but Hamburger Habit on National is woeful.

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                      pharmnerd Apr 16, 2008 01:41 PM

                      Thanks. May swing by the Shack on the way to the beach some day. But will pass on the Habit and their claims to have the "best" burger in LA, as per some local radio station years ago.

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                        petradish Apr 24, 2008 04:35 PM

                        Nice thin-battered onions rings at the Shack too...

                        My faves, no particular order:

                        Apple Pan's Hickory burger (saucy)
                        Tommy's Chiliburger
                        Metro Cafe's burger
                        Big Jo's single cheeseburger (charbroiled thin patty, saucy, pickles)

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                        JackonCrack Apr 17, 2008 11:40 AM

                        i wouldn't go to Habit for the burger, but their fries are good!

                        And you can also get corn on the cob!

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                          shannon33 May 4, 2008 06:49 PM

                          The Shack has a great burger. I have been going there forever.
                          In the valley Pineapple Hill Saloon makes one of the best burgers I have EVER had. Their chili size is to die for! The meat is the best quality. It is a bar on one side and a seating area on the other. Nice people too.
                          4454 Van Nuys Blvd, in a strip mall. Well worth it.

                        2. ROBBARNES Apr 15, 2008 10:49 AM

                          ..i think the burger for a buck at the wilshire at witmer location for mc donalds is very good and ask for extra oions and pickels no extra charge

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                            ROBBARNES Apr 15, 2008 11:06 AM

                            A good deal for a slice of pie and a burger can be found at Bake 'N' Broil in Long Beach. I went there recently, at the rec of a few Chowhounds, and I was pleased with the food and the total price. I believe the burger special is 9.99 (or thereabouts), and it comes with a burger, choice of soup or salad, and a slice of pie.

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                            nrique Apr 2, 2008 09:03 PM

                            Has anyone heard of a place in Bellflower called BIG MIKES?

                            Co-worker at my new job mentioned the place and said the BIG MIKE burger was truly kick-arse.

                            I plan to check it out next week at lunch. I hear there is a REAL Big Mike on the premise.
                            (He owns it)

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                              Big N Fat Apr 15, 2008 10:46 AM

                              No, but I can tell you that I'm there next time I drive past Bellflower on the 91. BnF approves of hamburgers and places named, "BIG MIKES"
                              -BnF

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                                Ernie Apr 15, 2008 11:10 AM

                                Yes! I used to love another location they had in San Pedro, but that closed down last year. Their gigantic specialty Big Mike Burger with the hot link is amazing

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                                  blackbookali Apr 18, 2008 09:59 PM

                                  San Pedro? thought the post said LA . . . try Father's Office.

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                                    Ernie Apr 19, 2008 09:11 AM

                                    San Pedro *is* Los Angeles. Enlighten yourself and look at a map of the City of Los Angeles. Father's Office is in the city of Santa Monica

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                                      Servorg Apr 19, 2008 09:41 AM

                                      FO's - soon in a second city near you - Culver City.

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                                        blackbookali Apr 19, 2008 05:49 PM

                                        got the map. found San Pedro - right next to LONG BEACH which is a LONG WAY for MOST LOS ANGELENOS but VERY CLOSE to OC folks - is that where you hang your cap? . . . : - <. Big Mike's doesnt even look like its in the SAME LEAGUE as FO . . . .

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                                          Ernie Apr 20, 2008 12:07 PM

                                          Not far for this Angeleno at all because I live in San Pedro, and you would have to pay me to go to back for that insanely overrated burger at FO and deal with the obnoxious crowd. I'd rather make the shorter drive to Bake & Broil any day

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                                            Frommtron Apr 20, 2008 02:57 PM

                                            Whoa whoa whoa. I love the South Bay and appreciate the great food to be had there. San Pedro is the gateway into our city. I'm also with you on the notion that the crowd can be obnoxious at Father's Office (primarily because it's obnoxious to order food and not have a place to sit down). But overrated is going too far my friend.

                                            There are many ways to make a perfect burger and it's undeniable that Father's Office serves up one of them.

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                                              blackbookali Apr 21, 2008 08:20 AM

                                              Father's Office is an LA classic . . .

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                                            nrique Apr 23, 2008 09:44 PM

                                            Just posted a review of BIG MIKES in bellflower, a should read.

                                            The south bay has some SLAMMING joints!

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                                              Frommtron Apr 24, 2008 02:24 PM

                                              Love the South Bay. Don't get down there like I should but keep the reviews coming. They're appreciated.

                                  2. Ali B Mar 11, 2008 04:42 PM

                                    I FINALLY made it to Father's Office. I had an Office Burger, the sweet potato fries, regular fries, Beet Salad, and a special Duck Confit salad. I don't know what to say: everything was delicious. I really think this would be my favorite neighborhoodie spot if it weren't SO hard to get in! The Burger was really great....the people I was with snuck in some ketchup, and I think that definitely added to the the flavor, but it really was not necessary at all. The caramelized onions, bacon compote and cheese are really all you need! The sweet potato fries were so good that my boyfriend, who "doesn't like sweet potato fries" helped me finish the whole mini shopping cart. Yum.

                                    Thanks for the recs, everyone... I definitely have more eating to do!

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                                      ElJeffe Apr 3, 2008 12:02 AM

                                      Ali, glad you liked it. And there is hope in sight. Father's Office Culver City opens within the month. Twice the space.

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                                        Frommtron Apr 3, 2008 12:24 AM

                                        Can't come fast enough. Hopefully both locations will be a little easier to deal with after that. Just went back last night after months of avoiding the crowds and I don't want to have to wait that long again.

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                                      eleniantz Feb 1, 2008 02:51 PM

                                      Outlaw's. Playa del Rey.
                                      http://www.outlawsbar-grill.com/

                                      1. fgrade Jan 31, 2008 09:24 AM

                                        lucky devils serves a kick butt burger...the diablo burger, it's so close to the perfect burger...the kobe beef, the smoked bacon, the avocado, the fixins', and of course, just as important as everything else, the bun, all of this, spiked with a touch of hot sauce, this is the only place i know that does this, and it comes accompanied with a good sized serving of battered fries...delicious

                                        Ali, you must also try an l.a. landmark burger, tommy's, in the mornings they serve a breakfast burger that is different, but very delicious, i like to call it, the breakfast of champs, and if you want to have the complete l.a. experience, go to the original one on rampart and beverly around 2 in the morning on the weekend, prepare to wait in line

                                        enjoy!

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                                          Minimang Jan 13, 2008 03:11 PM

                                          Pie and Burger on California Blvd. in Pasadena, leave room for a piece of pie...I recommend the lemon meringue.

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                                            maggielyn Jan 10, 2008 05:03 PM

                                            Excellent burger at Gorikee's - little Japanese fusion spot in Woodland Hills. The chef is VERY set in his ways though and will serve this gem for LUNCH ONLY and never at dinner. He also will serve rice only at lunch - and potatoes at dinner . . .
                                            Odd and rigid - but oh my - he can cook.

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                                              Cooper100 Jan 10, 2008 04:38 PM

                                              Here are three I like, all in Hollywood. The Hungry Cat makes a great "upscale" version on an English muffin. Flaming Patty's on Melrose and Vine, very nice old-school version and my most-frequented... The All American Burger on Sunset, between La Brea and Fairfax - all VERY GOOD, so much so, I'm about to get in my car! Curses to this Burger topic, it never ceases to make one crave a burger.

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                                                Erik M Jan 10, 2008 05:09 PM

                                                FWIW, the Pug Burger at The Hungry Cat is not served on an English muffin per se, but instead on a hand-trimmed, crustless round of bread with a crumb similar to that of an English muffin.

                                                The Bowery, located kitty-corner from The Hungry Cat, serves a gourmet-style bar burger on a bonafide English muffin. Me, I looove the burger at The Bowery--IMO, it is among the very best--but I absolutely loathe the English muffin upon which it is served. <smile>

                                                Bar Marmont, Cora's, The Counter, 25 Degrees, The Hungry Cat, The Bowery, Father's Office, Lucky Devils, The Village Idiot, Comme Ca... since arriving in town in late November I've had 'em all, but my own quest for perfection continues unabated.

                                                The Bowery
                                                6268 Sunset Blvd.

                                                E.M.

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                                                WORX4FUDE Jan 10, 2008 12:18 PM

                                                And, crap... how could I forget?!?!?!?.... FATHER'S OFFICE. (Sorry guys, don't know WHAT i was thinking)

                                                FATHER'S OFFICE: located on Montana, in Northside Santa Monica (1018 Montana). A taste of luxury pub fare. This is what happens when you put a pub in a wealthy neighborhood. The burger is basically a third-pounder (would be my guess) with carmelized onions, blue cheese, and arugala. THE FRIES ARE AWARD WINNING, and would CERTAINLY be a reason for coming. Served in a little novelty shopping cart, these shoestring wonders carry the flavor of salt, thyme, pepper, garlic, and maybe a touch of rosemary. AMAZING.

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                                                  mstinawu Jan 10, 2008 12:42 PM

                                                  I love their fries and fry sauce! Their sweet potato fries aren't too bad either, but I like the ones from the Jerry's Deli chain better.

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                                                  WORX4FUDE Jan 10, 2008 12:10 PM

                                                  I didn't take the time to read all of these. But here it is....

                                                  1.) The Apple Pan (WLA, has a website... go to it)
                                                  2.) The Counter (Santa Monica, 2901 Ocean Park)
                                                  3.) Thoma's (Rose and Lincoln, in WLA/Venice)

                                                  Apple Pan: The most amazing little place on earth. I think of this burger, when I'm alone, and I touch myself. GO HICKORY BURGER w/ Cheese... Made-to-order, quarter pound, secret hickory bbq sauce, tilamook cheddar, and a fat grab of hand leafed lettuce, torn straight from an iceberg head. The fries are sumptuous, as well. And good pie.

                                                  The Counter: Haven't been, honestly, but lines and friends don't lie, when it comes to food. This place is a make-your-own burger paradise. Pick ALL your trimmings, the size of your burger, how it's cooked. And there are GREAT trimmings... diff't cheeses, bacon, onions, sauces, chutneys, salsas.

                                                  Thoma's: This is as close to a good In-n-Out style burger than you can get. WITH fries and a coke, less than $6. Off the hook street burger... HIGHLY recommend, even just for an order of fries which carry themselves.

                                                  1. omotosando Jan 9, 2008 10:33 PM

                                                    The burger at the Breadbar in the Century City mall is surprisingly good (and when you ask for it medium rare, you get it medium rare). I wouldn't say it is the best burger I have ever had, but it is surprisingly good, especially for shopping mall food. I think it is much superior to the burger at Houston's in the same mall.

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                                                      nrique Jan 9, 2008 09:01 PM

                                                      Surprised no one has mentioned Wolf's burgers in Pasadena. Solid all around burger menu .
                                                      Hmm I can't find my info on it, any one?

                                                      Also try:
                                                      Larry's Chili dog & grill ( the double cheese is splendid!)
                                                      3122 W Burbank Blvd
                                                      Burbank, CA 91505
                                                      818 842-0244
                                                      Closed Sundays

                                                      Art's the art of Hamburgers (Imagine Tommy's and In N out, together.)
                                                      3122 W Burbank Blvd
                                                      Burbank, CA 91505
                                                      818 842-0244

                                                      and one place I have yet to try:
                                                      Hawkins Burgers
                                                      2664 Fair Oaks Ave
                                                      Altadena, CA 91001
                                                      626 791-2876

                                                      I find it amazing how the L.A. burger scene has grown in the past 20 years. I remember the time my dad took me to Tommy's and how wonderful it was. And later when I discovered In N out. I thought, How could it get any better?
                                                      But L.A. is DEFINATELY the BURGER capitol of the world, where a classic burger like In N out gets dissed because there are SOOO many places that offer better.
                                                      I wouldn't want to live in any OTHER city!

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                                                        dclay Jan 9, 2008 02:39 PM

                                                        I scrolled down and kept thinking, "Someone must have mentioned Shula's".
                                                        Yes it's in an LAX/century Blvd, hotel, yes the parking seems inconvenient.
                                                        But, we have gone to the bar and ordered burgers-to-go several times. The valet let us leave the car right in front. We had a beer while we waited. If you eat at the restaurant, they will validate your parking.

                                                        Go.

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                                                        Shula's 347
                                                        6101 W Century Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90045

                                                        1. Ali B Oct 22, 2007 09:34 AM

                                                          Yum... I cannot wait to try everything. I will come back with my feedback when I do!

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                                                            condorito Sep 24, 2007 03:03 PM

                                                            Bar Marmont's "Damn Good Burger"...nuff said.

                                                            8171 W. Sunset Blvd. 323.650.0575

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                                                              jlrobe Sep 25, 2007 09:01 PM

                                                              that is a good burger!

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                                                                wutzizname Nov 9, 2007 07:55 AM

                                                                I'm a big fan of Bar Marmont, but on my first visit back after the remodel, I tried the Kobe Sliders and was sorely disappointed. Way too much salt. Then last night I finally returned to try the "Damn Good Burger" and guess what? It was damn good. The bun is like from another planet. And that's one planet I'd like to visit.

                                                            2. gabrielleg Sep 24, 2007 01:53 PM

                                                              Depends on what "kind" of burger you are looking for.
                                                              I am a texan and we take our burgers very seriously
                                                              *smiles*

                                                              but now transpanted to LA here are my top three.
                                                              Not particular order.

                                                              Apple Pan -
                                                              10801 W Pico Blvd, Los Angeles, CA
                                                              (310) 475-3585 -

                                                              Sweet, juicy and just plain smoky goodness this burger sits somewhere between sinful and just pure heaven.
                                                              Make sure to call and pickup or go on off hours as it is a "diner bar" type place and seating is limited. I think it is also cash only.

                                                              Original Pantry Cafe -
                                                              877 S Figueroa St, Los Angeles, CA
                                                              (213) 972-9279 -

                                                              Every time I put this burger in my mouth I KNOW I am taking years off my life..and yet it is so scrumptious I don't care. Homemade daily sourdough slices toasted up and slathered with grilled onions, nice sharp cheddar cheese and a bbq that makes even the biggest southern take note this burger is to die for. Juicy and just a mess but so well worth it.

                                                              Again service at The Pantry is notoriously bad so call ahead and pickup or just sit at the bar and know this isn't the place where they are going to be "service oriented".

                                                              Pete's Cafe & Bar - more info »
                                                              400 S Main St, Los Angeles, CA
                                                              (213) 617-1000

                                                              Blue cheese french fries, and that good old Pete's standby a burger with grilled onions, a beautifully seaded and fresh bun lightly toasted and smeared with chipotle mayo and an explosion of andoullie within the massive burger that brings on "oohs and ahhs" to every table I have ever been to.
                                                              This burger is a little "fancier" than the others but so well worth it and with an option of 4 different kind of fries (blue cheese, bacon and cheddar, chipotle or garlic) it is hard to deny that Petes is giving downtown a run for their money.

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                                                                TBird Sep 24, 2007 01:58 PM

                                                                my two fave's were always fathers office and apple pan. man do i miss 'em!

                                                              2. lilbuddha Sep 24, 2007 10:28 AM

                                                                It is hard to compare anything to Mo Betta Meaty Meat, RIP.
                                                                If you are in the Ventura Area, Try
                                                                Savory Cafe
                                                                419 E Main St
                                                                Ventura, CA 93001
                                                                (805) 652-7092
                                                                Kobe Burger w/ Bleu cheese and bacon. Best fries since Benita's closed.

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                                                                  maxzook Sep 24, 2007 11:23 AM

                                                                  el linko

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                                                                  Savory Cafe & Bakery
                                                                  419 E Main St, Ventura, CA 93001

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                                                                    ElJeffe Sep 24, 2007 11:50 AM

                                                                    Thanks for keeping up with the links. Are you using the 'Link to a place' Beta feature? It won't work for me. The icon swirls and says 'reviewing Chow places' but never comes back with results.

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                                                                      wutzizname Sep 24, 2007 11:54 AM

                                                                      Off topic: I've got different problems with Places. Sometimes it works, but more often not. Either it pulls up the wrong listing after I've clicked on the correct link...or it gives me some message about not being able to find the address after I've clicked on the correct listing.

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                                                                        The Chowhound Team Sep 24, 2007 12:28 PM

                                                                        ElJeffe and wutzizname, please head to the Technical Help board, to this thread http://www.chowhound.com/topics/443586 to see the discussion of problems with Places. Thanks.

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                                                                      Minimang Jan 15, 2008 01:32 PM

                                                                      Savory is my fave place to eat lunch when I am in Ventura on business. I am partial to their tomato soup and gilled cheese sandwhich. The grilled cheese is fresh mozzarella, tomato and basil on grilled olive bread. Total comfort food, good for what ails ya.

                                                                  2. maxzook Sep 23, 2007 10:36 AM

                                                                    Yet another inspiration for The Thread That Would Not Die: Fat Jack's at Ventura and Tujunga in Studio City, home of the sloppiest and junkiest of burgers, served on the best onion rolls in L.A., with wonderful crispy steak fries.

                                                                    Just the place if you're still hungry after Nozawa.

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                                                                    Fat Jacks
                                                                    11402 Ventura Blvd, Studio City, CA

                                                                    1. hrhboo Sep 22, 2007 10:33 PM

                                                                      I just had a really excellent burger at Alibi on Washington. Very flavorful meat, juicy and cooked perfectly medium rare. I could have happily eaten another one, but Mr Boo was giving me The Look. Good poutine too, but I've never been to Quebec so my opinion of it might not be worth much.

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                                                                        maxzook Sep 23, 2007 10:29 AM

                                                                        Catching up on links ...

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                                                                        Beechwood - duplicate
                                                                        822 W Washington Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90015

                                                                        Alibi Room
                                                                        12236 W Washington Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90066

                                                                        Howard's Big Burger
                                                                        11127 Venice Blvd # 7, Los Angeles, CA

                                                                        San Francisco Saloon Co
                                                                        11501 W Pico Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90064

                                                                        The Galley Restaurant
                                                                        2442 Main Street, Santa Monica, CA 90405

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                                                                          maxzook Sep 23, 2007 10:30 AM

                                                                          And yes, there's more ...

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                                                                          Fatburger
                                                                          10600 1 2 Ventura Blvd, Studio City, CA

                                                                      2. ElJeffe Sep 22, 2007 06:29 PM

                                                                        Here's the West Side overview:

                                                                        Best I've had:
                                                                        1) Father's Office -It is a gourmet burger, however (gruyere, baquette bread, etc.)
                                                                        2) Hinano - Dive bar with an amazing burger.

                                                                        Well known but highly overrated. Maybe you'll have a different opinion:
                                                                        1) The Counter - Customizing your burger is great, but an average and very expensive burger all things considered.
                                                                        2) Apple Pan - Poor man's In N' Out burger
                                                                        3) Tommy's - Not worth your time unless you are highly intoxicated.
                                                                        4) Beechwood - Upscale lounge. The food has been terrible there the last few times I've been.

                                                                        Worth trying:
                                                                        1) San Francisco Saloon - Inconsistent. I've had a great burger and averageones there. Good place to watch a game & have a pint with your burger.
                                                                        2) Jewish delis - All the big places generally have very good burgers & patty melts. Try Izzie's, Jerry's or Junior's. Awesome pastrami at all as well.
                                                                        3) In N' Out - Fast food, but you'll never go to McDonald's again.
                                                                        4) The Galley on Main St. - Really nice meat quality.
                                                                        5) Fatburger - One step up from fast food. Lots of people love this place.

                                                                        Looking for more info from fellow Chowhounders:
                                                                        1) Baby Blues BBQ - I'm a big fan of this place. Food is decent but atmoshpere & staff are great. Anyone out there eaten their burgers?
                                                                        2) 26 Beach - Can anyone else confirm they have a good burger?
                                                                        3) Bandera - Everything else there is good. Anyone had their burger?
                                                                        4) Howard's Bacon & Avacado Burger - Anyone been there? The name fascinates me.

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                                                                        1. re: ElJeffe
                                                                          hrhboo Sep 22, 2007 10:37 PM

                                                                          The Laskey burger at Baby Blues is far better in theory than execution. It tastes like a heavily seasoned meatloaf patty rather than a good beefy burger. The lingonberry sauce is cloying and overpowering. 26 Beach is only okay, everything on their menu tastes the same to me. Howard's Bacon and Avocado is nothing special, it tastes fast food-ish and gimmicky, not high on the quality. Beechwood has a truly excellent burger, it rivals Father's Office imo.

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                                                                            brandygirl Sep 23, 2007 04:55 PM

                                                                            I've been to Bandera's sister restaurant, Houstons, in the Century City mall. Houston's has the best burgers I've ever had, and I'm guessing Bandera's burgers are the same.

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                                                                              LisaStitch Sep 25, 2007 06:16 PM

                                                                              26 Beach - I can confirm their Kobe beef burger, which is usually a special, not on the regular menu, is outstanding. Their other burgers are all fine, but nothing exceptional. Unless by exceptional, you mean the "Party of 5" burger, which is five patties and five slices of cheese - I've seen it being served and it is quite a sight!

                                                                              Bandera - My coworker loves Bandera and knows of my love for burgers and has been telling me for some time I need to eat the one at Bandera. She says it's really good, and she is a pretty picky eater.

                                                                              Howard's - I have read very mixed but mostly negative things about this place, so I have not yet been myself. I will get there one of these days - I also love the name and their sign!

                                                                              I agree with you on pretty much everything else, but I hate In N Out for their miniscule dry meat patties (I wonder how, then, could Apple Pan be a poor man's In N Out - I'd think the other way around makes more sense...) and I actually do really like the Beechwood burger, though I will say other Beechwood menu items have been hit or miss.

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                                                                                b0ardkn0t Jan 10, 2008 05:20 PM

                                                                                If, you're a meat eater then get it 3x3 or 4x4(I think I even heard someone get a 5x5), the patties are grilled usually medium, medium-rare, but upon request they will grill them well, rare, medium well, or medium rare.
                                                                                Like I said before, of the chains and for value(good fries, drink), and for taste, and freshness, In-&-Out is good, and I prefer a tasty thinner beef burger than a ball wad of tasteless beef. Why I prefer INO over Fatburger. As stated before for a fast food burger INO is good for value, taste. If I want a higher up burger that's a different story, but then again I most likely won't be able to get there everyday as I would with INO.

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                                                                              peachmahoney Sep 22, 2007 10:20 AM

                                                                              Suprisingly, I think LA is a great burger town. From Bar Marmont and the Apple Pan to Tommy's and B&Rs there's tasy hamburgers in nearly every neighborhood. One of my favorites is from The Original Texas Barbecue King downtown. It's smokey, juicy, and gigantic.Don't wait in the slow moving line- call ahead and pick it up!

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                                                                              Original Texas Barbecue King
                                                                              5309 South Vermont Ave, Los Angeles, CA

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                                                                                maxzook Sep 22, 2007 04:22 PM

                                                                                I agree, and I don't think it's surprising ...

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                                                                                26 Beach
                                                                                3100 Washington Blvd., Venice, CA 90292

                                                                                red | seven
                                                                                700 N San Vicente Boulevard, West Hollywood, CA 90069

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                                                                                prainer Sep 22, 2007 08:36 AM

                                                                                Last week, I had a very good burger at Red Seven, Wolfgang Puck's new restaurant at the PDC - Kobe beef, great bun with sweet potato fries - excellent service.
                                                                                My favorite burger is 26 Beach Cafe on Washington in Venice. Have not had the burger at Morton's but I am sure it is great. Steakhouses usually offer some of the best burgers around. Before they closed, my favorite burger was Mo Better Meaty Meat on Pico at Fairfax - this take out stand with some patio seating was full of flavor and always good - along with an order of their fresh fries served in a brown paper bag to catch the grease, this was heaven.

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                                                                                  jlrobe Sep 21, 2007 06:44 PM

                                                                                  LA is a HUGE place, and everyone has different opinions on burgers.

                                                                                  Ebizos (great japanese insipired medium rare kobe beef burgers with ponzu sauecs)
                                                                                  Baby BLues (BBQ place that uses blue cheese and an open flame)

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                                                                                    maxzook Sep 21, 2007 07:42 PM

                                                                                    linked

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                                                                                    Baby Blues BBQ
                                                                                    444 Lincoln Blvd, Venice, CA 90291

                                                                                    Ebizo's Skewer
                                                                                    229 Manhattan Beach Blvd, Manhattan Beach, CA

                                                                                  2. maxzook Sep 21, 2007 08:51 AM

                                                                                    Six weeks and 130 messages on this thread, and none of us thought to mention Mo's in Toluca Lake.

                                                                                    Another place that seems to excite strong emotions, pro and con. I've been going there since it was known as Hampton's and I still haven't had the courage to try the peanut-butter-and-jelly burger, but I can recommend the relatively more mundane toppings ... my favorite has always been the Nelly Burger, with horseradish and bacon. Interesting sides, and unlike many burger joints a good menu of non-burger items ... their weekend brunch is underrated.

                                                                                    Probably the best burger in the SFV, IMHO.

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                                                                                    Mo's Restaurant
                                                                                    4301 W Riverside Dr, Burbank, CA 91505

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                                                                                      sel Sep 21, 2007 09:22 AM

                                                                                      I haven't been to Mo's. I did like Hampton's both in Hollywood on Highland and Toluca Lake on Riverside! I heard about Hampton's and lots of other new restaurants from Paul Wallach on his long gone radio show, I think they kinda began the trend of 'upscale' burgers in The City of Angels! I recall tasting my dates burger with sour plum jam and __? which was ok but The Nelly Burger was better!

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                                                                                        maxzook Sep 21, 2007 11:39 AM

                                                                                        Did you know that Hampton's was owned by Paul Newman?

                                                                                        He sold it to the current owners, who have beefed up the non-burger menu (pun intended) and added a good weekend brunch. But the burger menu is almost 100% the same, including the Foggy Bottom Burger with peanut butter and sour plum jam.

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                                                                                          Hackenbush Sep 22, 2007 06:32 PM

                                                                                          Hamptons was torn down years ago.

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                                                                                            maxzook Sep 22, 2007 10:00 PM

                                                                                            You must be thinking of the Hollywood branch. The original Hampton's in Toluca Lake was sold in 1995 and became Mo's.

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                                                                                              Hackenbush Sep 23, 2007 05:23 PM

                                                                                              Right. The person said that Hamptons was owned by Paul Newman. That Hamptons (the one in Hollywood) was torn down some time ago.

                                                                                              The Hamptons on Riverside Drive was sold and it was renamed Mo's. But Paul Newman never had any involvement with that one.

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                                                                                                maxzook Sep 23, 2007 08:07 PM

                                                                                                Could sworn Newman had a piece of the Toluca lake one as well. But I'll take your word for it.

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                                                                                        rednyellow Sep 21, 2007 04:23 PM

                                                                                        I used to eat at Hamptons a lot when I worked in Burbank. I liked the pink pepper burger. When it became Mo's, was never as good, but it's been a while since I"ve been there, should try again.

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                                                                                        sbnini Sep 21, 2007 12:21 AM

                                                                                        Has anyone tried the burger at Daily Grill? It's massive, I'm guessing three-quarters of a pound, with great quality meat and toppings. And, it's available at both lunch and dinner!

                                                                                        1. wutzizname Sep 15, 2007 12:52 PM

                                                                                          Taylors Steakhouse in Koreatown or La Canada

                                                                                          http://www.taylorssteakhouse.com/

                                                                                          P.S. Only at lunch.

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                                                                                            maxzook Sep 15, 2007 12:57 PM

                                                                                            all linked up.

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                                                                                            Taylor~S Prime Steak - duplicate
                                                                                            3361 W 8th St, Los Angeles, CA 90005

                                                                                            Taylor's Steakhouse
                                                                                            901 Foothill Blvd, La Canada, CA 91011

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                                                                                            Big N Fat Sep 8, 2007 01:24 AM

                                                                                            Also enjoy FAT BURGER. They grill or char-broil them at your request.

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                                                                                              Big N Fat Sep 9, 2007 12:25 AM

                                                                                              They also have them in the Stations Casinos in Henderson/Las Vegas areas

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                                                                                                mopeyboy Sep 9, 2007 01:44 PM

                                                                                                The burger at Islands is not bad. Better than some listed here. And if you order their fries well done, they're the best I've had since Benita's Frites closed.

                                                                                                Father's Office is a great burger. I just ask for it plain. And their fries are very good.

                                                                                                For me, one the best in the country, was Mo Betta Meaty Meat Burger, on Pico and Fairfax. Service was terribly slow. Maybe the reason they closed.

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                                                                                                  Wolfgang Sep 10, 2007 02:45 PM

                                                                                                  I finally got to Houston's to try their cheeseburger. I've heard and read many favorable reviews about it.
                                                                                                  It's a good burger, though I've had a handful that have been better. It's expensive. $16 for a burger and fries.
                                                                                                  I would go to FO and Library Alehouse (never tried their new fancy burger) before Houston's. Village Idiot is also better. 25 Degrees is much better and the Bowery is also better.
                                                                                                  The beef was just okay; it wasn't full of luscious beef flavor like it is at some of these other places. It also didn't taste like it was ground in house or even freshly that morning.
                                                                                                  If it were $10, I'd think more of it but with FO closer and cheaper, I'll go there before Houston's anytime. I put the burger about equal with the last burger I had at Babalu and Babalu is a shorter walk for me.
                                                                                                  The Craftsman 1903 was great but also not value priced at $7.

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                                                                                                    diaz Sep 10, 2007 03:45 PM

                                                                                                    For the past 5 years whever I go to Houston's I usually order the Prime Rib Beef Dip, but the last time we were there, I ordered a veggie burger and it was better than any burger I've ever had. No more beef dip for me, I can't wait to go back again and order the veggie burger! Gotta try it!

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                                                                                                      maxzook Sep 10, 2007 09:31 PM

                                                                                                      I am not making this up: when I searched on Village Idiot, the second choice listed was the West Hollywood City Hall.

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                                                                                                      Village Idiot
                                                                                                      7383 Melrose Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90046

                                                                                                      Library Alehouse
                                                                                                      2911 Main St, Santa Monica, CA 90405

                                                                                                      Houston's Restaurant
                                                                                                      10250 Santa Monica Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90067

                                                                                                      Babalu
                                                                                                      1002 Montana Ave, Santa Monica, CA 90403

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                                                                                                      mstinawu Jan 9, 2008 06:03 PM

                                                                                                      Islands. Ew. Greesy. Gross.

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                                                                                                        b0ardkn0t Jan 10, 2008 04:53 PM

                                                                                                        But for Island's burgers taste and price, I'd rather eat at In-&-Out. Fatburger is ok, but nothing special. This is strictly chain.

                                                                                                  2. susans Sep 7, 2007 12:20 AM

                                                                                                    Has anyone tried the Kobe burgers at Cisco Burger in Long Beach?

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                                                                                                      sel Sep 7, 2007 08:42 AM

                                                                                                      I went once, a few weeks ago, and liked my burger and fries. Very reasonably priced and cool pics of Cisco on the walls. We saw Cisco and a buddy or two with a caretaker cruzin around at the far end of the parking lot. Check it out and report back!

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                                                                                                        maxzook Sep 8, 2007 12:53 PM

                                                                                                        Linked.

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                                                                                                        Cisco Burger
                                                                                                        620 W Anaheim St, Long Beach, CA 90813

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                                                                                                        springballgowns Aug 24, 2007 10:14 AM

                                                                                                        the damn good burger at bar marmont is excellent...

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                                                                                                          maxzook Aug 24, 2007 09:20 PM

                                                                                                          Linked it.

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                                                                                                          Bar Marmont
                                                                                                          8171 W Sunset Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90046

                                                                                                        2. tatertotsrock Aug 23, 2007 10:09 PM

                                                                                                          For slumming it with or to avoid a hangover: TOMMYS

                                                                                                          For a great burger and a great beer to go with it: YORK

                                                                                                          For fancy schmancy heaven: GRACE

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                                                                                                            maxzook Aug 24, 2007 08:46 AM

                                                                                                            linked, linked and linked

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                                                                                                            Grace Restaurant
                                                                                                            7360 Beverly Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90036

                                                                                                            Tommy's Original World Famous
                                                                                                            2575 Beverly Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90057

                                                                                                            The York
                                                                                                            5018 York Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90042

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                                                                                                              tatertotsrock Aug 24, 2007 11:42 AM

                                                                                                              Thanks maxzook for adding in those links...you rock!

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                                                                                                                simax Aug 24, 2007 05:38 PM

                                                                                                                you may think the bar marmont is good just wait till you try Royal Burgers, made with 100% beef chuck grounded fresh daily. there 1/2 lb pastrami and egg burger is like a gift from the gods.

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                                                                                                              LosAngelesEats Apr 13, 2009 06:27 PM

                                                                                                              I just want to second the burger at The York. I had one for the first time the other day and was blown away. I'm glad someone else mentioned it.

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                                                                                                              sebastianxx Aug 23, 2007 01:47 PM

                                                                                                              Yes, it's a work in progress but may I humbly steer you towards the burger map I'm working on. plans are to finish this and then work on my bean and cheese burrito map...

                                                                                                              That one might take a minute.

                                                                                                              http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?f=q&am...

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                                                                                                                ipsedixit Aug 23, 2007 04:42 PM

                                                                                                                Very cool. Let us know when it's finished.

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                                                                                                                  DiveFan Aug 24, 2007 11:32 PM

                                                                                                                  Great map, you're Way ahead of me.
                                                                                                                  One more for your map - Big Burger in Carson. Good meat, plain bun, 1/3 pound, inexpensive.

                                                                                                                  BTW what do OC folks think of the burgers at Knowlwood Restaurant, 150 S Harbor Blvd
                                                                                                                  near the Fullerton train station?

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                                                                                                                    DiveFan Aug 24, 2007 11:42 PM

                                                                                                                    If Tommy's can be linked, so can Big Burger.

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                                                                                                                    Big Burger
                                                                                                                    17940 Avalon Blvd, Carson, CA 90746

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                                                                                                                  GingkoCat Aug 23, 2007 12:01 AM

                                                                                                                  IN-N-OUT...the best burgers I've ever tasted...I'm serious. They are all over southern California. Gotta order the burger ANIMAL STYLE!

                                                                                                                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-N-Out...

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                                                                                                                    simax Aug 23, 2007 12:05 AM

                                                                                                                    This must be over 1/2 Lb. burger

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                                                                                                                      GingkoCat Aug 23, 2007 08:49 AM

                                                                                                                      Animal Style = grilled onions, mustard, extra sauce, extra toppings. Same size patty as non-Animal Style. Not on the menu. You have to ask for it specifically. You can also ask for your fries "animal style" which means they put all the sauce and grilled onions on top of the fries.

                                                                                                                      I think an IN-N-Out burger is the best in terms of FAST FOOD burgers. I'm sure the higher end establishments can make a fancier, meatier (more expensive) burger, but if you want a quick, drive-thru, burger-fries-and-a-shake, fast food lunch, this is the way to go. They even mention In-N-Out on the movie Super Size Me as the BEST alternative to other fast food burgers! Its the only one the Super Size Me guy and the Fast Food Nation guy seemed to like.

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                                                                                                                        Big N Fat Sep 8, 2007 01:22 AM

                                                                                                                        Don't forget 3 x 3's and 4 x 4 IN-N-OUT burgers. They are just that! Not listed on menus but employees know what you mean.

                                                                                                                  2. nancyluna Aug 22, 2007 10:07 PM

                                                                                                                    Wow. Did these comments ever surprise me. When someone asks about the "best burger" in LA, Morton's does not come to mind..My first thought was obvious: In-N-Out Burger. (Animal-style, preferred)...There's another Discussion about Tommy's somewhere else on this site...Having a chile-slathered Tommy's is an experience worth checking out, especially if you go to the original Tommy's on Alvarado.

                                                                                                                    And, yes, I have eaten the Morton's appetizer burgers and they were fantastic. But, what do you expect from a burger made with filet mignon? C'mon. Ali B -- is this the kind of response you wanted? Fancy schmancy burgers?

                                                                                                                    Or, do you want hard-core, street level patties dripping with juice?

                                                                                                                    What about a Carl's Jr. Six Dollar Angus burger? Or, a Johnny Rockets burger. (Fresh, hand-pressed patties. Yummy.)

                                                                                                                    Just my thoughts,
                                                                                                                    Fast Food Maven
                                                                                                                    www.ocregister.com/fastfood

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                                                                                                                      sel Aug 22, 2007 10:41 PM

                                                                                                                      Hmmm. I like In-N-Out sometimes especially when there is no better option and used to stop at the Tommy's on Beverly at Rampart from time to time before they expanded into an impersonal chain but I would not include either in a BEST list. I've only been to Morton's for steaks but have been meaning to try the burger at lunch that is so highly praised on this board. I have not ever been to Carl's Jr. for their $6 Angus Burger or anything else, which you may say is my loss but MY search is for the non-corporate delicious grub. I make exceptions for the already mentioned In-N-Out and also an occasional stop at Popeye's for Spicy Fried Chicken, Biscuits and Red Beans & Rice. Johnny Rockets? Well I kinda liked the original on Melrose before they expanded into another impersonal corporate enterprise that stopped cooking my burgers the way that I like them!

                                                                                                                      I did click on your link and then the Burger Joints and Taquerias links. All chains! Are they sponsors? Where are the independent mom and pop places?

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                                                                                                                        maxzook Aug 22, 2007 10:53 PM

                                                                                                                        I think we're talking about two totally different things.

                                                                                                                        I have eaten burgers at every place mentioned in your post within the last two years, and the last phrase I would think of to describe any of them is "dripping with juice". The problem I have with classifying any of them on a par with, say, Father's Office or the Counter, is that the fast-food places grossly overcook their patties. And let's not kid ourselves, we all know the reason why:

                                                                                                                        http://www.organicconsumers.org/Irrad...

                                                                                                                        Now, there are burgers on your list that I eat fairly regularly even though they're cooked well-done (In-N-Out) and others places on your list I wouldn't go to again at the point of a gun (I won't provoke further controversy, but the initials I have in mind are JR).

                                                                                                                        But none of them are are in the same universe with places that cook hamburgers to order, and especially the relatively few remaining that still grind their own meat.

                                                                                                                        And you can call me a lot of things but not a food snob -- my last post on this thread recommended something called a Cardiac Burger ...

                                                                                                                        PS I've never had the Arnie Morton's burgers, but if they're really made with filet mignon they probably aren't very good. The ideal burger meat is 50% chuck and 50% sirloin, 15 to 20% fat.

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                                                                                                                          simax Aug 22, 2007 11:26 PM

                                                                                                                          Did you try Royal Burgers in Ventura?

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                                                                                                                            Servorg Aug 23, 2007 04:32 AM

                                                                                                                            Every In-N-Out which I have been to cooks their burger just as you ask them to (my choice is MR) so not sure why you say they are cooked well done?

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                                                                                                                              maxzook Aug 23, 2007 08:32 AM

                                                                                                                              In my experience, they'll take your order as to how you want it.

                                                                                                                              And then they cook them well done.

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                                                                                                                                Servorg Aug 23, 2007 08:34 AM

                                                                                                                                If anything my burgers have usually come out a little more on the rare side than the medium rare side when I tell them how I want them cooked.

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                                                                                                                                  Alimentary My Dear Watson Sep 7, 2007 03:09 PM

                                                                                                                                  I've been ordering them medium rare at In N Out for years now and they nail it every time. I also know I've never seen any fast food restaurant take complaints as seriously as they do...with an immediate cheerful remake of the order and a coupon for another free meal in addition!

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                                                                                                                                    maxzook Sep 8, 2007 12:47 PM

                                                                                                                                    Ironically, upthread I had said that In-N-Out was far and away my favorite chain burger. And you're right about their service. I guess I'll give another try to having it made to order ...

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                                                                                                                              baloney Aug 23, 2007 07:43 AM

                                                                                                                              Morton's burgers(never tried the appetizer burgers) are made with sirloin, I believe. Definitely not filet mignon. And really? Your first thought was In N Out? To each his/her own, but INO would never make any sort of "Best" list IMHO. I've never had a fast food burger dripping with juice(Morton's is PLENTY juicy), maybe I'm just not going to the right ones.

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                                                                                                                                LisaStitch Aug 23, 2007 09:51 AM

                                                                                                                                Put an Arnie Morton's burger (which is made from top quality Sirloin - not filet mignon - I sense a biased grudge from you against anything not fast food) next to an In N Out burger and it's no contest. The In N Out burger is tiny tiny tiny, on the dry side, and the beef is barely visible. Check out the photographic evidence.

                                                                                                                                That said, I believe they belong in 2 different categories anyway - high-end/sit-down vs. cheaper/fast.

                                                                                                                                 
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                                                                                                                                  JeetJet Aug 23, 2007 11:14 AM

                                                                                                                                  I also agree that two different food items are being discussed in this thread about “Best Burgers.” I also sense partiality by the terms used to describe the different foods -- Fancy schmancy and cheaper/fast. How about “Bourgeoisie Conspicuous / Invidious consumption Burgers vs. Proletariat street urchin burgers.” I recall a good article by Jim Leff (can’t find it now) which I think mentioned the Apple Pan burger and made a statement about chopped sirloin burgers. The Alpha Dog acknowledged the difference but argued that each can be great in their own way. I agree with that. I would add that I would never pay more than $10 for any burger. After $10, I am not impressed with the cook. A Caveman could hand you a great burger for that kind of money.

                                                                                                                                  I get my Bourgeoisie Invidious consumption Burger (chopped Sirloin under $10) at Park Ave. A really great burger.
                                                                                                                                  http://www.parkavedining.com/

                                                                                                                                  I like several kinds of Proletariat street urchin burgers also – Kobe, Chili Cheese and Charbroiled.

                                                                                                                                  Tops (½ lb. American Kobe Beef Burger, Smoked Mozzarella Cheese, Caramelized onions, Tomato and Greens, and Herb Mayonnaise on a Ciabatta roll for $6.45. Add deep fried zucchini).
                                                                                                                                  3838 E Colorado Blvd (This location only – Between Rosemead Blvd. And Michillinda)
                                                                                                                                  Pasadena, CA 91107-3940
                                                                                                                                  (626) 449-4412
                                                                                                                                  www.theoriginaltops.com/

                                                                                                                                  The Galley (The Boat) (Chili-Cheese Burger for $4.50, large schooners of beer and the game will be on the giant TV)
                                                                                                                                  8976 Huntington Dr. (Served for lunch M-F at the North Woods Inn during construction)
                                                                                                                                  San Gabriel, CA
                                                                                                                                  (626) 286-1484
                                                                                                                                  http://www.clearmansrestaurants.com/g...

                                                                                                                                  Flames X Press (Charbroiled Double Cheese burger for $4.54, with a House-made Thousand island – OMG)
                                                                                                                                  11003 Lower Azusa Rd (Corner of Santa Anita)
                                                                                                                                  El Monte, CA 91731
                                                                                                                                  (626) 350-7500

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                                                                                                                                    LisaStitch Aug 23, 2007 11:45 AM

                                                                                                                                    Have you ever had any over $10 burgers? Don't knock it til you try it! :) I've had fantastic ones worth every penny, and then some like at the Library Alehouse that were so bad I believe that a caveman could very easily screw up a $10 burger!

                                                                                                                                    For the record, I'd classify myself as an open-minded, equal opportunity eater who does not believe that costly burgers are inherently not worthwhile, and at the same time I do love my Fatburger. :)

                                                                                                                                    Thanks for the added suggestions of Park Ave, Tops, etc. I'm adding them to my "to eat" list!

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                                                                                                                                      maxzook Aug 23, 2007 12:53 PM

                                                                                                                                      All linked up ...

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                                                                                                                                      Park Avenue Restaurant
                                                                                                                                      11200 Beach Blvd., Stanton, CA 90680

                                                                                                                                      Clearman's Galley - the boat
                                                                                                                                      7215 Rosemead Blvd, San Gabriel, CA 91775

                                                                                                                                      Flames X Press
                                                                                                                                      11003 Lower Azusa Rd, El Monte, CA 91731

                                                                                                                                      Royal Burgers
                                                                                                                                      2950 Johnson Dr, San Buenaventura (Ventura, CA 93003

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                                                                                                                                        revets2 Aug 24, 2007 11:32 PM

                                                                                                                                        THE BOAT is a goner...for now. suppose to re-open close by this fall. lots o' rumors. in the meantime, they say the burger can be had at NORTHWOODS. wouldn't be the same as having it at THE BOAT.

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                                                                                                                                        calabasas_trafalgar Aug 24, 2007 09:59 AM

                                                                                                                                        really, Flames X-press? I've never heard anyone talk about that place, and I drive by it almost every day. Do tell!

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                                                                                                                                          JeetJet Aug 24, 2007 10:28 AM

                                                                                                                                          Yes really, the double cheese burger with everything as they make it – outstanding! The Chary greasy burger, the cheese and that house Thousand Island (My idea of Cumback sause) all make this a "Serious moment" burger. The fries are OK – not LA’s best. Do NOT try the breakfast burrito, asada taco, or fried chicken dinner – but Do HAVE that Double Cheese Burger. A great meal in the char-burger tradition. Also, eat it there. The dinning room is really cool. Clean and Modern, yet not cheep and tacky like Pinkberry.

                                                                                                                                          These damn burger post has totally ruined my diet. In the last ten days I have had 3 Tops Kobe burgers, 1 Flames X-Press Char burger, yesterday afternoon the Boat cheese burger with that green salad w/ Blue cheese dressing and now my family is plaining to go to Park Ave. this weekend for the chopped-sirloin burger. I am a Dead Man Eating.

                                                                                                                                          edit, I was just told we are heading to Tops for lunch -- guess what I am ordering.

                                                                                                                                          Past post mentioning Flames X-press...

                                                                                                                                          Best Burger in SGV
                                                                                                                                          http://www.chowhound.com/topics/404855

                                                                                                                                          Variations on Chili Cheese Fries
                                                                                                                                          http://www.chowhound.com/topics/429793

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                                                                                                                                      David Kahn Aug 23, 2007 03:02 PM

                                                                                                                                      The thing is, there are really (at least) two entirely distinct things that can be meant when someone asks for a "hamburger." One is the fancy steak house burger, which is usually made from reasonably good meat and is large/thick enough that it can be cooked to a desired degree of doneness. The top of my list for this type of burger is indeed Morton's. The other player in the burger category is of course the the fast food burger you describe. These often are smaller/thinner, usually are made with a less costly class of beef, and often can be had with multiple burger patties. I like these a lot too, but they're really a different thing from a steak house burger. My current favorite fast food burgers are the In-n-Out triple/triple animal style, and the Double Diner Burger at the Beverly Hills Diner with grilled instead of raw onions. (The Double Diner Burger can, incidentally, be ordered with turkey instead of beef patties, and is, hands down, my favorite turkey burger in town.) Anyway, whenever anybody inquires about "the best burger" or some such, I always feel like they really need to tell us which type of burger they're talking about before a satisfactory response can be offered.

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                                                                                                                                      Beverly Hills Diner
                                                                                                                                      474 N Beverly Dr, Beverly Hills, CA 90210

                                                                                                                                    3. Debette Aug 22, 2007 12:10 PM

                                                                                                                                      Apple Pan is hands down the best no frills and delicioso burger,.

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                                                                                                                                        LisaStitch Aug 22, 2007 04:48 PM

                                                                                                                                        I've had better burgers than Apple Pan's, but they do still have a pretty good one there. The main reason I continue to go to Apple Pan is for their amazing french fries!!! Probably the best fries I've had in LA.

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                                                                                                                                        JeetJet Aug 21, 2007 07:09 PM

                                                                                                                                        I have had this burger 3 this week and look forward to another soon. It has become my favorite burger in L.A.– ½ lb. American Kobe Style Beef Burger, Smoked Mozzarella Cheese, Caramelized onions, Tomato and Greens, and Herb Mayonnaise on a Ciabatta roll for $6.45. Pound-for-pound, dollar-for-dollar – I just do not see any reason to eat other burgers.

                                                                                                                                        My Post on this burger
                                                                                                                                        http://www.chowhound.com/topics/43233...

                                                                                                                                        Tops (Kobe cheese burger, fries, deep fried zucchini, pastrami, asada or chicken totasda)
                                                                                                                                        3838 E Colorado Blvd (Between Rosemead Blvd. And Michillinda)
                                                                                                                                        Pasadena, CA 91107-3940
                                                                                                                                        (626) 449-4412

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                                                                                                                                          toyo2960 Aug 21, 2007 10:29 PM

                                                                                                                                          While not great burgers (I think they're rather average) Apple Pan on Pico in West LA is a historic little restaurant. Small horseshoe bar with the grill in the center. Sometimes it's crowded. No frills. Reminds me of the historic Billy Goat Tavern in Chicago.

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                                                                                                                                            JeetJet Aug 21, 2007 11:09 PM

                                                                                                                                            I like the Apple Pan both for the burgers and that special ambiance. I no longer order the pie there. I really do not think the burgers are worth what they get for them. As for the Billy Goat Tavern, those “Cheezborgers” really are not good and the "No fries, cheeps!" menu is a pain, but the ambiance fills-in all the blanks. From the first step down the stairs on Michigan Ave. you feel like you are heading to a Big City underworld kind of place, and you are. IMO The Apple Pan is more like a 1930's Midwest roadside burger & pie stop for farmers, truckers, traveling families and maybe even Rod Serling. Tops really has no special ambiance unless you go later at night. Tops can take-on a “after the date” kind of ambiance with the couples who begin to show-up. Nevertheless, The Kobe Burger fills in any ambiance holes at Tops.

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                                                                                                                                              sel Aug 22, 2007 07:52 AM

                                                                                                                                              I've been a fan of The Apple Pan for a long time.I really like both the Steakburger and the Hickoryburger x-rare with everything and the Fries well done with a side of their Hickory Sauce. They have always used very high quality meat, long before the long before the current "Kobe"/Waygu trend!

                                                                                                                                              As for the pies - the Banana Cream Pie is wonderful as is the Cherry Cream Pie! Berry and Pumpkin Cream are good too. Chocolate Cream was pretty lousy though, the chocolate tasted like instant chocolate pudding. I'm also not a fan of their namesake Apple Pie with the cinnamony warm sauce, it's ok with vanilla ice cream but the cream pies are the best (except chocolate)!

                                                                                                                                              THE APPLE PAN
                                                                                                                                              10801 West Pico Blvd. (at Westwood Blvd.),
                                                                                                                                              Los Angeles, CA 90064
                                                                                                                                              310-475-3585

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                                                                                                                                                JeetJet Aug 22, 2007 09:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                Hey sel. I agree with you and yes, that Banana Cream Pie at the Apple Pan is wonderful. Talking about quality Burgers and Banana Cream Pie being served at a horseshoe counter brings Bake 'n Broil to mind. In fact, the pie at Bake 'n Broil is why I no longer order pie at other places. IMO, the Banana Cream at Bake 'n Broil is as good, probably better, than others in L.A. and the prices beat all others that come near the quality. The Cheese Burger Special at Bake 'n Broil is around $7 to $8 and includes a Cheese Burger, drink and a slice of pie. For that price I cannot justify paying the prices at Pie and Burger or Apple Pan. Therefore, I will save my pie eating energy for Bake 'n Broil.

                                                                                                                                                I also agree that Apple Pan has always used quality food and has done so before the "Kobe"/Waygu trend! I feel the same way about Tops on Colorado Blvd. I once did some work for the owner who proudly showed me his stock room full of perfect fresh lettuce, onions and tomatoes saying “these are the best on the market.” I had done work in many restaurants and knew by seeing this produce that it was the best. I am more impressed with “pride in ownership” and quality than current trends like “Kobe” bla bla bla, or “Ciabatta” bla bla bla.

                                                                                                                                                What made me try the Kobe burger at Tops (A place I reserve for my pastrami, or asada totasda, eating energy) was the description included “Herb Mayonnaise.” I like trying different sauces, Thousand Island dressings, mustards and relishes on burgers. When I saw that wonderful burger with that Herb Mayonnaise dripping out of it I knew I made a good decision. Now I request “just a little extra Herb Mayonnaise” when I order it – OMG! Now if they could just serve-up a good slice of Banana Cream Pie.

                                                                                                                                                The Apple Pan (Cheese Burgers w/ Tillamook Cheddar & Banana Cream Pie, only 20 counter seats)
                                                                                                                                                10801 West Pico Blvd. (at Westwood Blvd.),
                                                                                                                                                Los Angeles, CA 90064
                                                                                                                                                (310) 475-3585

                                                                                                                                                Jongeward's Bake 'n Broil (Breakfast,Lunch & Dinner. Burgers, Chicken Fried Steak, Pot pie, IMO, L.A.’s best Banana Cream and Red Velvet cakes)
                                                                                                                                                3697 Atlantic Ave (North of 405 – corner of 37th st.)
                                                                                                                                                Long Beach, CA 90807
                                                                                                                                                (562) 595-0396

                                                                                                                                                Tops (Kobe cheese burger, fries, deep fried zucchini, pastrami, asada or chicken totasda)
                                                                                                                                                3838 E Colorado Blvd (Between Rosemead Blvd. And Michillinda)
                                                                                                                                                Pasadena, CA 91107-3940
                                                                                                                                                (626) 449-4412

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                                                                                                                                                  maxzook Aug 22, 2007 07:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                  I'm not a big fan of Apple Pan, but in the interest of fairness and having a full list, I did links ...

                                                                                                                                                  Russell's has the best of the so-called California Burgers, defined as a burger on sourdough with cheese, lettuce, tomato, caramelized onions and 1000 Island dressing. I think there's a branch in Long Beach but I haven't been there. House Of Pies runs a close second for Frisco Burgers, with Marie Callenders taking up the rear.

                                                                                                                                                  And if everyone's going to gush over the Apple Pan, I'm going to put in a few words for the infamous Cardiac Burger at the Bucket, raising cholesterol on Eagle Rock near Occidental for over seventy years. Good God, this is a huge hamburger ...

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                                                                                                                                                  10801 W Pico Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90064

                                                                                                                                                  The Original Tops
                                                                                                                                                  3838 E Colorado Blvd, Pasadena, CA 91107

                                                                                                                                                  Jongewaard’s Bake 'n Broil
                                                                                                                                                  3697 Atlantic Ave, Long Beach, CA 90807

                                                                                                                                                  The Bucket
                                                                                                                                                  4541 Eagle Rock Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90041

                                                                                                                                                  Russell's
                                                                                                                                                  30 N Fair Oaks Ave, Pasadena, CA 91103

                                                                                                                                                  House of Pies
                                                                                                                                                  1869 N Vermont Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90027

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                                                                                                                                                    sel Aug 22, 2007 08:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                    Well the highlight of my day was, after reading your post, the Kobe Burger (ordered and received rare!) at Tops!!! It exceeded my expectations by a mile! Juicy and flavorfull. I didn't have anything else because 3 hours after I was done with my late lunch I had a killer workout so I skipped the fries, deep fried zucchini, onion rings (have you tried them?) and HORCHATA. Next time I'm gonna wash down another Kobe with Horchata, yea it's the mix stuff but I'll give it a try. Thanks for the rec!!!

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                                                                                                                                                      JeetJet Aug 22, 2007 09:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                      I am glad you enjoyed the burger because I owe you for several recs. I have had 3 in the last 7 or 8 days. My most recent I also didn't have anything else but the burger. I think Horchata would be a good drink for this flavorful burger. I offten get Orange Bang (free refills) at Tops to go with my pastrami or asada totasda. But with this burger I have had a simple diet coke. I have always ordered either the fries (good) or the deep fried zucchini or onion rings (both are my fav in LA). I never get the large because two people could not / should not eat that much - a shoe box full.

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                                                                                                                                                        maxzook Aug 22, 2007 10:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                        I blew off your review at first glance because I thought you were talking about the Topz chain -- "healthy" burgers served with "healthy"' air fries and a bar with "healthy" mayonnaise and "healthy" barbecue sauce, and "healthy"' ice cream sundaes ...

                                                                                                                                                        But this actuallly sounds good -- or at least less healthy ;)

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                                                                                                                                                          katkoupai Aug 22, 2007 10:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                          I was very impressed with the burger special at Bake 'N' Broil in Long Beach, and so was my friend. The burger's bun tasted like it was made on location. It was semi-sweet and gave me a craving for King's Hawaiian bread the following week.

                                                                                                                                                          I really want to try Tops. Actually, I really want to try Tops right now, but I will wait. :)

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                                                                                                                                                        Mel Gee Aug 26, 2007 10:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                        My general reaction to the Bake 'n Broil differs from many postings on this board, but staying on topic here: I had their cheeseburger tonight, and it was just OK+ to my taste. Good-quality meat, but the patty was too thick and heavy (like a smaller version of the decent-but-not-great Fatburger), too close-textured, overcooked, and not nearly as juicy as advertised. The "bakery-style bun," as they call it, was quite tender but still absorbed the small amount of juice nicely, and the tempura-style onion rings were very good, although not -- to my taste -- excellent (fried properly but slightly too much batter and onion per ring). I had the bacon cheeseburger, and the bacon was outstanding -- thick, flavorful, and beautifully cooked. I've never been there for breakfast, so I'm now motivated.

                                                                                                                                                        As a matter of principle, I've been intending to try the hamburger at Yuca's, but whenever I get to within a block of that place the only words that will leave my mouth are "cochinita pibil" and "hurry, hurry!"

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                                                                                                                                                        3697 Atlantic Ave, Long Beach, CA 90807

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                                                                                                                                                          roguecat Aug 27, 2007 04:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                          re: PIE AND BURGER in Pasadena
                                                                                                                                                          On the recommendation of a friend who grew up in Pasadena, i went to try out the burger and pie. Burger: similar to fast food but 3x the price! Pie: Fresh peaches were good but there was no crust – it just fell apart. I wish I had seen this post before trying the burger here.

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                                                                                                                                                            katkoupai Aug 27, 2007 05:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                            I thought Pie N' Burger was overpriced in the end, too, but I have not ever tried their burgers.

                                                                                                                                                            A good deal for a slice of pie and a burger can be found at Bake 'N' Broil in Long Beach. I went there recently, at the rec of a few Chowhounds, and I was pleased with the food and the total price. I believe the burger special is 9.99 (or thereabouts), and it comes with a burger, choice of soup or salad, and a slice of pie.

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                                                                                                                                                    maherdez Sep 7, 2007 04:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                    I was not happy with my American Kobe Style Beef Burger, Smoked Mozzarella Cheese etc. I should have said something when close to a minute went by with our burgers ON FIRE. I like char, but this was like eating Kingford...... Watch your burgers and make them put out the fire. The burgers are supposed to cook over the fire NOT BE the FIRE.......

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                                                                                                                                                      JeetJet Sep 7, 2007 10:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                      WELCOME to the board. I agree. You SHOULD have said something. The people at Tops would fall over themselves to try to make you happy. In fact, they would cook that burger to your order.

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                                                                                                                                                        maherdez Sep 10, 2007 11:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                        Thanks for the welcome - I'll have to try it again. You are all over this site. Thanks for the good info.

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                                                                                                                                                        sel Sep 7, 2007 11:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                        That stinks! I've now had 3 - all wonderfully cooked as requested!

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                                                                                                                                                          scoot Sep 9, 2007 04:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                          I had the same experience. Asked for "medium rare" (and it said so on the receipt too) but what I got was literally crunchy black on the outside, with nary a trace of pink on the inside. Not really a "send it back" guy, (nor did I have another 20 minutes to wait) so I ate it. I did enjoy the bread and toppings. The herb sauce was good, but nothing mind-blowing. Half a pound is also a little big for me. Third-pound is about "tops" (ha) for my burger. At triple the price of the normal Tops burger, I'd stick with the normal one, personally.

                                                                                                                                                      3. missmodular818 Aug 21, 2007 03:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                        If you decide to travel to Ventura or pass through on your way to Santa Barbara, there is a placed called Winchestor's in Ventura that has the best Kobe beef burger. Order it cooked Medium-rare with blue cheese and carmelize onions. You will die. It is so juicy and tender that it literally melts in your mouth,.

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                                                                                                                                                          smdeneau Aug 14, 2007 04:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                          I like Barney's burgers in Brentwood on San Vincente

                                                                                                                                                          http://www.barneyshamburgers.com/loca...

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                                                                                                                                                            ccognac Aug 19, 2007 11:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                            Lets not forget B and R Old Fashion Burgers in Hawthorne...The Monster Royal Burger is a sight to be seen!

                                                                                                                                                            http://www.bandrburgers.com/

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                                                                                                                                                              Servorg Aug 19, 2007 11:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                              It was definitely not forgotten -- my number one suggestion above.

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                                                                                                                                                                maxzook Aug 19, 2007 02:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                Not forgotten, but not linked either ...

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                                                                                                                                                                3512 W Rosecrans Ave, Hawthorne, CA 90250

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                                                                                                                                                                  Servorg Aug 19, 2007 03:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  I actually had all the contact information in my post - including the phone number, which is something the link to a place feature does not give you, (just in case you want to call and check on their hours of operation).

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                                                                                                                                                                    David Kahn Aug 21, 2007 03:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    If you click on the link, it gives you the phone number too. The only really helpful info it leaves off is a website url, so lately I've been trying to remember to add those to my posts.

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                                                                                                                                                                      LisaStitch Aug 21, 2007 04:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      Just a note that if you click on a link, there is a button that comes up to "edit" the listing, and you can add all sorts of useful info, including the website, phone number, hours, etc.

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                                                                                                                                                                sel Aug 21, 2007 05:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                I tried B and R Old Fashion Burgers in Hawthorne quite a while ago after reading about it on your website. This was before the Food Network coverage with you and Alton Brown which I only just now watched. I had high hopes and the slightly sour/less than friendly reception did not deter me but the guy that took my order refused my order of one of their humongus burgers RARE, he told me that they only cook them well done. Usually when a place won't cook a burger rare I ask if they are sure that they won't cook it like I want it and if not I shrug my shoulders and head elsewhere. But I was really hungry so I ordered it. It was very good but for me would have been even better if it were less done! I have not been back, last week when I was hungry and happened to be passing by I went elsewhere!

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                                                                                                                                                                  maxzook Aug 21, 2007 07:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  This, to me, is what separates a real "gourmet burger" from the phony.

                                                                                                                                                                  Any restaurant that charges more than $5 for a burger and refuses to cook it less than medium, will no longer get my business. Why should I pay that kind of $$$ to a restaurant that won't pay for a ground beef supplier they can trust not to sell them tainted meat?

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                                                                                                                                                                  Burger Boy Aug 21, 2007 09:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  I thought you liked the Texas Burger place better?

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                                                                                                                                                                    simax Aug 22, 2007 11:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    Next time you pass trough Ventura stop at Royal Burgers at Johnson Dr.
                                                                                                                                                                    to try best burgers made from 100% beef chuck.

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                                                                                                                                                                      ccognac Aug 23, 2007 10:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      No way, buns were way to much and overpowered the burger as opposed to the soft buns of B and R (I know that sounds strange)....That said Giant Texas burger was not bad, good meat and toppings....

                                                                                                                                                                3. ipsedixit Aug 14, 2007 10:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                  Lots of good suggestions already.

                                                                                                                                                                  I just want to throw in a shout out to Redwood Bar and Grill in downtown. http://theredwoodbar.com/

                                                                                                                                                                  Half a pound of Angus goodness, with a large steak knife pierced down the middle to hold it together. Good stuff.

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                                                                                                                                                                  Redwood Bar & Grill
                                                                                                                                                                  316 W 2nd St Ste 202, Los Angeles, CA 90012

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                                                                                                                                                                    rednyellow Aug 14, 2007 04:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    I had the burger at Redwood a few weeks ago and it was great. I like the pirat atmos. as well

                                                                                                                                                                  2. diba5 Aug 12, 2007 01:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    i don't know if you like small hole in the wall places, but i swear by this little shack on SANTA MONICA and Hillhurst called SEAN'S BURGER. They have the best chili cheeseburger! It may seem gross to some, but I think you would think likewise after u try it, get the burger with EGG on top.

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                                                                                                                                                                      Burger Boy Aug 12, 2007 04:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      They put KETCHUP on my chili-cheeseburger, that is crazy! I thought the burger was okay and the chili was okay, but for me it does not warrant a return visit. Ketchup on a chili-cheeseburger ! ! ! WTF ! And the service was nothing to write home about. Oh Jay, how we miss you, Smitty, Robert & the boys!

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                                                                                                                                                                        DanaB Aug 14, 2007 03:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        I like ketchup on my chili cheese burgers -- go figure!

                                                                                                                                                                        I almost stopped at Sean Burger on my way home from work Monday. I'll have to try it next time I'm in the mood for a burger and report back.

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                                                                                                                                                                        B Minus Aug 14, 2007 11:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                        That's the former site of Jayburger. I haven't been because I have so many great memories of that place and the greatest hamburger this city has ever known. Is it really worth a try. Is it time to let go?

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                                                                                                                                                                          David Kahn Aug 14, 2007 02:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          You should go and report back!

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                                                                                                                                                                            B Minus Aug 14, 2007 03:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            I'm scared, but will do.

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                                                                                                                                                                            Burger Boy Aug 21, 2007 09:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            Jay's was the best Chili Cheese Burger, he worked for Tommy and made the chili better and less greasy. I have many many fond memories of "the Guys & the Burgers". Jay, we tip our lemonades to you!

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                                                                                                                                                                            diba5 Aug 18, 2007 11:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            yea i liked it when it was JAY'S, not the same chili. :(

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                                                                                                                                                                            brandygirl Aug 11, 2007 03:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            Nobody has voted for Houston's yet? I haven't tried many of the burgers mentioned on this post so far, but they get my vote for the best I've had. I like Father's Office, but it doesn't fit the bill when I want a classic burger.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. Woolsey Aug 11, 2007 02:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              I'm going to throw in 25 Degrees in the Hollywood Roosevelt. I've had some spotty burgers there in the past, but they've gotten their act together recently, and those fancy-schmancy burgers have been back on target on recent visits. One can build burgers from a list of toppings, cheeses, sauces, etc. - just like at The Counter - or order one of the three house-built burgers. I think the No. 1 with horseradish substituted for the Thousand Island is about as good as it gets. For me, 25 Degrees trumps what The Counter does in quality all around, so I give the gold star to them.

                                                                                                                                                                              Down the street is Lucky Devils, which also turns out a mean burger. The Bacon Bleu Kobe Burger is fantastic, and they have others on the menu as well. Splitting that hefty burger with a friend is more than enough, along with one of their excellent selection of beers or a toasted pecan shake. I keep meaning to try the Barbecue Kurobata Pork Burger, too.

                                                                                                                                                                              And I'll admit it, I dig Tommy's every so often - and not just when I'm hungover. Although when I'm hungover, they're pretty damn good, too. Tommy's is the king of the chili burger in L.A., an institution that is derided as much as it is venerated. I'll give this advice for the first-time Tommy's eater: It's best not to eat there unless you are ravenously hungry.

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                                                                                                                                                                              7000 Hollywood Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90028

                                                                                                                                                                              Tommy's Original World Famous
                                                                                                                                                                              2575 Beverly Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90057

                                                                                                                                                                              Lucky Devils
                                                                                                                                                                              6613 Hollywood Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90028

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                                                                                                                                                                                maxzook Aug 11, 2007 02:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                I will definitely have to try 25° -- I have been looking for a good horseradish-topped burger for years. One of the few things the Counter doesn't have.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  Woolsey Aug 11, 2007 03:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                  25 Degrees is by my office, and I've gone with coworkers. They've tried my horseradish and pretty much come to agree it's probably the best sauce to put on the sirloin burgers. It's got a nice horseradish zing, compliments quality beef well, but it doesn't overpower the other components of their burgers as a lot of the other sauces they offer (especially their Thousand Island) can. For my taste, most of the sauces are better used on the excellent fries and onion rings there than the burgers.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    meliss1277 Sep 6, 2007 02:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    I have not had a disappointing exerience yet at 25 Degrees...Turkey burger with Gruyere is pretty awesome. My husband loves the sirloin burger with red hawk cheese. Fries are great, and dipping sauces rock. Also, love the fact that they have complimentary corkage.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Father's Office is another favorite! I love their burger!! And it's worth the sardine packed atmosphere....makes it all the more fun!

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                                                                                                                                                                                    maxzook Aug 19, 2007 02:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    Just tried 25 Degrees, and I think I agree with both Woolsey and redandyellow.

                                                                                                                                                                                    The burger was excellent; almost no one knows how to do a medium rate burger any more (and nowadays even some of the more expensive places won't try), and the horseradish sauce was the perfect topping. Definitely in my top three along with Father's Office and the Counter.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I was there at 2 pm on a Friday afternoon and the place was less than half full, yet the service was distracted at best ... tables were left uncleared ... two waiters took turns waiting on me, neither seemed to get things right ... I got my fries several minutes ahead of my burger, but no silverware until asking several times after the burger was delivered.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Definitely worth a second visit for the burger, we'll see about the service.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      Woolsey Aug 19, 2007 03:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      The daytime service is always - ALWAYS - okay at best. Judging from both personal experience and from what I've read on the boards, it seems to take a few customers' complaining to the manager (and her physical presence in the restaurant) to get the daytime staff to buckle down; then she goes away, and it all goes to pieces again. The day staff seems to be there just to earn a paycheck before they head off in the evening to do their small plays or professional studio audience gigs or whatever. The evening waitstaff has always seemed to be much more on the ball; I had an excellent experience on my very first visit with both food and service, which probably makes a big difference in how I perceive the restaurant.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Still, I can't argue with anyone who has a bad experience there. I've had overcooked burgers on more than one occasion. The second time, I brought it to their attention, and the burger was comped, but when the restaurant's name is derived from the difference between a rare burger and a well-done one, this should never be an issue. Recently, I left because there was no place to sit for a party of three except the bar - not an ideal situation for a group lunch - and the group of four tourists who had just walked in couldn't be accommodated anywhere. But what really angered me was that they allowed one person to take up an entire large booth by himself instead of a smaller booth or asking him to sit at the bar during the height of the lunch rush. So I too sort of agree with rednyellow. They do enough to get me to go back, and those burgers and fries are really tasty, but I sympathize with the 25 Degrees horror stories and understand why anyone says they'd never return.

                                                                                                                                                                                      That being said, I've had some really good meals at Lucky Devils this week - and the staff there is nothing less than engaging and eager on every visit - and I've found myself wanting to go there more these days than 25 Degrees.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    rednyellow Aug 16, 2007 01:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm afraid I have to give up on 25 Degrees. Seems they cant make a good burger two times in a row. They have messed up twice as many times now as they have done correctly. I recently oredered a med rare burger and was served well done. When I pointed it out, the cook spent the next five min. glaring at me and the waiter threw an exagerrated fit. Even if the food was perfect, that kind of attitude form a waiter and cook is inexcusable. I wont be back.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    LisaStitch Aug 10, 2007 05:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    Would you care to be more specific as to what qualities the "best burger" to you would possess? For me it is well-executed, high-quality meat and bun, both with good flavor. To me, great toppings are great toppings and nothing more, they cannot elevate an average patty and bun into an overall great burger.

                                                                                                                                                                                    That said, I've been on a personal hamburger mission this year, and so far the ARNIE MORTON'S lunch-only burger ($14) is by far the best. Second place is FATHER'S OFFICE ($11) - and this is often called the Best Burger in LA/the country by both local and national press, if that's what you're after. I was just there on a Sunday afternoon about 1:30pm and it was not crowded at all - my guess is weekend afternoons might be your best bet. SPAGO ($22) also has a fantastic lunch-only burger.

                                                                                                                                                                                    IN N OUT has its devoted fans, but I have tried it several times now, in several variations, and every time I think it is absolutely awful. The bun is nice but the meat patty is so nothing special, small, and superthin, I want to scream "where's the beef?" The lettuce and tomato are great - I think they should switch to just making salads.

                                                                                                                                                                                    THE COUNTER is also overrated to me as well. It's all about the toppings there, which is indeed fun and it's a cool date place. But in terms of the food quality alone, the bun and beef patty are completely average, the meat occasionally even below average, and it is not worth the wait.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I have yet to get to HINANO, but so far for me the best low-end burgers, which I define as under $10, are COUSIN'S in Santa Clarita albeit quite a drive ($6.50+), BOWERY BAR in Hollywood ($9), and any FATBURGER ($5-6).

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                                                                                                                                                                                    The Bowery
                                                                                                                                                                                    6268 W Sunset Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90028

                                                                                                                                                                                    Spago
                                                                                                                                                                                    176 North Canon Drive, Beverly Hills, CA 90210

                                                                                                                                                                                    Arnie Morton's the Steakhouse
                                                                                                                                                                                    735 S. Figueroa Street, Los Angeles, CA 90017

                                                                                                                                                                                    Cousin's Burgers
                                                                                                                                                                                    19318 Soledad Canyon Rd, Santa Clarita, CA 91351

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                                                                                                                                                                                      lil mikey Aug 11, 2007 07:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                      Ahhhh, memories of Clara Peller. Your comments about INO are classic. I've become kind of bored with INO. When there were very few of them around and the other choices were MacDonalds or Jack in the Box, INO was truly a find.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Now, though, I think the quality of the burgers in the other places has increased dramatically. So INO is no longer better, and in many cases it's worse than the competition. In my book, it's still pretty good. But I don't go there anymore because there is so much that is better.

                                                                                                                                                                                      I rarely order burgers in nice places because there are other things I want to try. I had one at Cut recently. It was WAY overpriced for what you get. The fries were good, though.

                                                                                                                                                                                      I'll have to try Arnie Morton's burger soon.

                                                                                                                                                                                      My current favorite burger is at Yuca's, the new one that used to be Casa Diaz on Hollywood and Vermont. I also like Fatburger and Sean's burgers.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        b0ardkn0t Jan 10, 2008 02:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        INO, has been around for a while(1940s), yet I've never been bored to go back again. It still is my favorite inexpensive fast food burger of choice over any other chain. All the ingredients are fresh and you can taste in the texture.
                                                                                                                                                                                        I frankly prefer INO over Fatburger, I won't justify for the meatlovers(get 3x3, or 4x4 animal style, they exist! but not on menu, employees know though), but INO offers a good meal on the cheap that Fatburger simply doesn't satifsfy. I do have to say that I've eaten at INOs far and wide(north, south California, Nevada, AZ) and I still miss the original first restaurant/drive-thru in Baldwin Park(closed, but building still there), I've never eaten at another INO that tasted just as good(the freshness was at its peak since their distribution center is there, and that old grill made sure the smell of the burgers wafted far and wide.). They do have another (newer) INO across the hwy, but never has an INO burger been recreated as it was done in the original one. Still, as fast food burger of choice INO is preferred over any other chain period. It's the only burger and fries that I hunger for on a regular basis.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        BRIANTHEFOODUDE Aug 21, 2007 11:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        I am also on a mission to find the burger of my life, this year. Is Arnie Mortons the same as Mortons of Chicago restaurants?
                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks , Brian

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                                                                                                                                                                                          Ogawak Aug 22, 2007 01:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          Yes, Arnie Morton and Mortons is the same fine chain originating in Chicago. The "Arnie" is added when there are two Morton restaurants in the same city, I believe.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            Servorg Aug 22, 2007 01:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            They may have added the Arnie for LA as there was a restaurant owned by Peter Morton on Melrose @ Robertson that was called "Morton's" - but it is gone now.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          treeboy Sep 23, 2007 08:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          Bowey make a fantastic burger -- nice sized patty, charred on the outside, nice and pink in the middle, and goes great with grilled onions and blue cheese. It's served on an English Muffin (or something like it) and comes with tasty cornichons on the side.

                                                                                                                                                                                        3. maxzook Aug 10, 2007 12:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          If you're talking about restaurant-style mega-burgers, my two favorites are both in Santa Monica.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Father's Office is a small gastropub, almost always overcrowded, with a burger served with Gorgonzola, arugula and caramelized onions and a strict no-ketchup, no-substitutions rule. The burger is well worth the location and its idiosyncrasies.

                                                                                                                                                                                          The Counter, which is about to expand into something of a chain, is the opposite number to Father's Office in that you can get damn near _anything_ on your burger. You get a clipboard with a full lists of cheeses, sauces, veggies, etc. and sizes from 1/3 to a full pound.

                                                                                                                                                                                          And for a fast-food-chain burger, In-N-Out ... That's What A Hamburger's All About. I linked to their well-known Hollywood outlet but they have branches all over. Surprisingly, they also have the only decent fries of any of the places in this post (I haven't had the father's office sweet potato fries).

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                                                                                                                                                                                          1018 Montana Ave, Santa Monica, CA 90403

                                                                                                                                                                                          In-N-Out Burger
                                                                                                                                                                                          7009 W Sunset Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90028

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                                                                                                                                                                                          2901 Ocean Park Blvd Ste 102, Santa Monica, CA 90405

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                                                                                                                                                                                            PlatypusJ Aug 10, 2007 05:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            As a side note, Father's Office will let you bring in your own catsup.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              katydid13 Aug 11, 2007 08:02 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                              hilarious! have any chowhounders actually brought their own catsup?? if so, whY?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                Wolfgang Aug 13, 2007 10:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                I bring it everytime I go to FO. The burger doesn't need ketchup; the fries do as I am a ketchup and potatoes person. The garlic aioli is good but it's rich and it's nice to have the ketchup to dip my fries into.
                                                                                                                                                                                                I had the burger and sweet potato fries on Saturday and both were outstanding. The Racer 5 was great too.

                                                                                                                                                                                          2. Skunk2Racer Aug 10, 2007 12:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            "Best Burger" on western between jefferson & exposition..... Try the Double King burger 2 pounds of meat..... Don't forget the fried egg & Smokey bacon..... YUM

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. Servorg Aug 10, 2007 12:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                              With the rec. for Arnie Morton's you have the best "luxo" burger in LA. For the burger stand / dive bar variety I like two places:

                                                                                                                                                                                              B & R's Old Fashion Burgers (burger stand variety)
                                                                                                                                                                                              3512 W Rosecrans Ave
                                                                                                                                                                                              Hawthorne, CA 90250
                                                                                                                                                                                              (310) 679-4774

                                                                                                                                                                                              And Hinano's (dive bar variety) on Washington Blvd. in Venice Beach just steps from the water and Venice Pier.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              15 Washington Blvd, Venice, CA 90292

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                                                                                                                                                                                                hrhboo Aug 10, 2007 01:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                Second Hinano. The best thing to happen to me in recent memory was when I discovered that you can now get bacon on your Hinanoburger!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  ElJeffe Sep 22, 2007 06:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  The Hinano burger is indeed, first class. Just don't be surprised by the dive bar atmospher. Great place.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    dwg Sep 25, 2007 08:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Hinano. Fantastic burgers and Guinness. I mean, come ON.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      ElJeffe Sep 25, 2007 10:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      All this Hinano talk has me hungry. I'm going there right now!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      gph2os May 7, 2008 04:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hinano! You just made me hungry, dammit! Best bar burger in LA County since the demise of the Honey Bucket in Long Beach.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      calabasas_trafalgar Aug 10, 2007 11:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      My choice would be Cassell's

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        iknowfood64 Aug 23, 2007 05:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Where is Cassell's located? I've heard good things about this joint and would love to try it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          calabasas_trafalgar Aug 24, 2007 10:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I tried the link for it and it doesnt work. It's near 4th and Vermont, but I don't have the exact address.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            LisaStitch Aug 24, 2007 10:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I believe the exact address is 3266 6th Street, cross street Vermont. Last I heard it is only open Monday-Saturday 10:30a-4p.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            Servorg Aug 24, 2007 10:07 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Cassell's link:

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            3266 W 6th St, Los Angeles, CA 90020

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              Woolsey Aug 25, 2007 12:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I must dissent on Cassell's. I think their burgers are plain and boring in the utmost, just the sort of burgers one would make at home on a weekend. The meat is plain, the buns are the sort of supermarket-white-bread-ten-to-a-pack variety, and the condiments are just the ordinary assortment. They don't even grill the buns. I found the only think remarkable about Cassell's is how truly unremarkable they were.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                maxzook Aug 25, 2007 11:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                In the thirty years I've lived in LA I've never seen a restaurant decline as dramatically as Cassell's.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                There was a time when I would have been the first to call this the best hamburger in southern California. Nowadays I find that most people who reflexively throw Cassells' into a best-hamburger discussion haven't been there in years. (I think their limited hours may have helped preserve their reputation.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                You'll just have to trust me that at one time they deserved the rep. That time is long past.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Mel Gee Aug 25, 2007 01:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  > That time is long past.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Very long past. I haven't been to Cassell's in years, but I wasn't happy with the place (for reasons very much like maxzook's) as long ago as the Eighties, when I discovered Russell's and its deliciously crisp and tender hashbrowns and towering meringue pies. Alas, Russell's is down to a single location and something far less than greatness, so I continue to patronize Pie 'n Burger for the burger, the hashbrowns, the occasional piece of pie (good but usually not great), and that one very cute waitress.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    calabasas_trafalgar Aug 27, 2007 09:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I disagree completely. I only started going to Cassell's about 2 years ago, and as of now they've got everything I need in a burger, and nothing I don't. I don't need a burger served rare. I don't need Blue Cheese, horsradish, and caramelized onions. And I absolutely don't need some asshole telling me I can't use ketchup on his "creation".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Cassell's, like some of the Fatburger locations, has a giant ketchup pump. "Nuff said.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      sel Aug 27, 2007 09:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      What is rarely mentioned is that Cassell's uses USDA PRIME GRADE BEEF which they will cook rare or however it is ordered. It is served on a bun with cheese if requested and the customer dresses it up at a condiment bar however they choose and you can make a little salad on the side. Mayo, 1000 Island and Potato Salad (included at the condiment bar) are made in house.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    JeetJet Aug 25, 2007 11:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "I think their limited hours may have helped preserve their reputation." That is an Interesting thought. Your post, and Mel Gee's reply, are both sad to read, but it Sounds like you both write from knowing the current state of things.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Maybe try Bake 'n Broil for a burger, coffee and slice of pie in the traditional fasion and honest price range -- $7. I would upgrade the pie to the Banana Cream for just a little extra. Also, more than one very cute server. Even better yet, they are all nice, real people even thought they can take too long to refill the water gleass some times, but still very real people.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Jongeward's Bake 'n Broil (TTry the burger special -- burger, slice of pie and drink for about $7.Also, Breakfast,Lunch & Dinner. Chicken Fried Steak, Pot pie, IMO, L.A.’s best Banana Cream pie and Red Velvet cupcakes / cakes)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    3697 Atlantic Ave (North of 405 – corner of 37th st.)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Long Beach, CA 90807
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    (562) 595-0396

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hackenbush Sep 9, 2007 01:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I've been going to Cassell's since Mr. Cassell himself ran the place in the old location. That was back before they had French Fries and instead had little bags of potato chips. (They always had their special kind of potato salad, however.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I agree the place isn't what it used to be but I still love it. I probably eat there once a month. At its worst, it's still better than any other burger place I can think of for ten miles around. And every so often, it's as good as it ever was.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        maxzook Sep 9, 2007 02:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        DISTANCES FROM CASSELL'S TO:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Tops: 20.6 miles
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Father's Office: 15.1 miles
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Russell's: 13.4 miles
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The Counter: 12.3 miles
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The Bucket: 10;5 miles
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Apple Pan: 10.3 miles

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        25 Degrees and Tommy's: too close ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Woolsey Sep 23, 2007 11:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Cassell's also isn't ten miles away from Lucky Devils, Vert, or The Hungry Cat, either. (I personally can't vouch for Arnie Morton's.) I'd even take the burger at The Standard in Downtown or the Room Service, er, Hellman Burger at Pete's Café over Cassell's.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hackenbush Sep 23, 2007 05:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            We disagree. I prefer Cassell's to any of those places.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                baloney Aug 10, 2007 10:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Howdy. If you do a search, you'll find TONS of previous threads, here is one example:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                http://www.chowhound.com/topics/338345

                                                                                                                                                                                                                But just to toss out there, my favorite burger of the month has to be Arnie Morton's burger which is fantastic!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  David Kahn Aug 10, 2007 10:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Agree. The burger at Morton's is splendid. (I get mine with cheddar and sauteed mushrooms.) Too bad they only serve it at lunch. (I've actually tried, unsuccessfully, to bribe a server to get one at dinner.)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    revets2 Aug 10, 2007 03:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    the minis in the bar in the PM are pretty good too. scratches the itch!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Burger Boy Aug 11, 2007 05:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      What is the PM?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        hrhboo Aug 11, 2007 12:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I think she means in the evening, on the dinner menu.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          lil mikey Aug 11, 2007 01:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I thought the same thing. As in Post Meridian. Like 7:00 p.m.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      snooze button Aug 13, 2007 06:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I finally, finally, had my burger fix at Morton's today. Ordered their cheddar/sauteed mushrooms burger... med-rare, and my dining companion had the swiss/sauteed onions... medium. We split the burgers to try both.... they were awesome. And the fries weren't too shabby either.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        David Kahn Aug 14, 2007 10:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Glad you liked it. I usually get them to sub sauteed spinach with mushrooms for the fries, on the theory that it's marginally more healthy. (Also, I really like spinach.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Btw, here's the link to the downtown LA Morton's. Other locations can be found here: http://www.mortons.com/website/index.... .

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        735 S Figueroa St, Los Angeles, CA 90017

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          revets2 Aug 14, 2007 01:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          this is the tip o' the year! thanks, david! we love the fries, but usually order the spinach on the side, the creamed spinach was is probably marginally more artery clogging. thanks, again!

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