Subway. I just don't get it.
I went to Far Rockaway to visit my kids. As I often do when I come to visit, I offered to buy takeout. I usually buy them food from places that they couldn't afford to go to on their own. When I asked what they were in the mood for, both my daughter and son-in-law were fairly adament about Subway. I know how frustrated my father felt when he wanted to take his grandchildren out for dinner in Israel, and the only place they wanted to go to was Mcdonalds.
The whole experience gave me an incredible headache. How many Fast food restaurants does a community need? Although I've never eaten in a non Kosher Subway, I don't understand the need to recreate a non Kosher restaurant and make it Kosher. While on line, I listened to the conversation two women were having in front of me. They were discussing how people in their Weight Watchers group were losing more weight then they were because of Subway. Now that there is a Kosher Subway, they too can lose weight. I then watched as they ordered their sandwiches, full of mayo, oil and other fattening condiments.When it was my turn, I laughed as the kid behind the counter asked me if I wanted my sandwiches with cheese. He made sure to tell me that my choices were Americany type cheese or mozarelly type cheese. My son-in-law had the steak sandwich. He loved it. My daughter shared a smoked turkey sandwich with me. I didn't understand all the excitement. Give me a smoked turkey on seeded rye with mustard and a pickle and I'll be happy. My two year old grand daughter had a meatball sub. Even she knew that it was full of filler, and her comment was "icky." To be fair, Layah doesn't like to get dirty, and she would consider anything with sauce "icky." I don't know that she actually tasted it. The soups tasted like canned soup. The dinner came out to $57. For my money, I would have prefered Sushi Metzuyan. A bunch of teenagers asked me to take their picture in front of Subway. They thought it was really cool to be eating there. I guess that I'm just not cool.
Another pet peeve of mine is special children's menues. Why aren't children eating adult food in smaller portions. My kids didn't grow up eating hot dogs, chicken nuggets and french fries. They ate meat, fish, vegetables, salads and what ever the adults were eating. I could take my children to a table cloth restaurant and order food from the regular menu. They loved trying new things. What do other people think about this?
I'm sorry for the ranting, At least it helped my headache.
"Give me a smoked turkey on seeded rye with mustard and a pickle and I'll be happy"
An interesting rant but I think you hit it on the head with this line. This I fear is a common misconception many are going to have. Subway is not a "Kosher Deli" It is a fast food establishment that offers a somewhat healthier alternative in a meat sandwich. I love meat as much as the next person, but I personally would rather stuff my sandwich with lettuce, peppers and tomatoes on fresh bread opposed to some meat on some rye bread. If you go to Traditions or King David you are going to get a few slices of meat on rye bread with a pickle....for just about the same price.
In regards to how many fast food establishments a community needs, well it is obviously what the community wants. Fancy restaurants don't feel the need to open in Cedarhurst. We saw Abigaels and the Cedar Club come and go, but on the flip side, we still have Bari Fish and Bistro in woodmere. With prices of a fancy place we also have Sushi Metsuyan. I give you credit if you could have taken 4 people to Sushi Metusyan for $57 but I feel that may have been a stretch.
I see your point of view and I understand it. I had subway this past week and I thought it was very good. Is it the best sandwich in the world?? Of course not, but its a decent price meal for what you get. But at the end of the day, its another chouice which I know many kosher communities in this country would kill for.
Reading Sharons rant, there were a lot of things i wanted to say. JS69 you just said every single one of them, i agree with everything you just said.
if i want deli, i'll go to a deli. but if i want a sub-sandwich with all that stuff in it, im gonna go to subway. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME!
re: kiddush hopper
There is also something about going to a "fast food place" (albeit, at the moment because of their popularity it is not so fast) vs a sit down restaurant. To go to a restaurant usually is a planed event, with the wait for a table, wait for the menu, wait for the waiter, wait for each dish to be removed and the next one to be brought and wait for the bill and of course the tip. A fast food place you are waiting on one line then get your food and pay. You sit where you want and no need to tip. From what I see it is also a social event, at least here in the 5 towns, where people chat with each other while waiting on line.
Last night I went with my daughters to Traditions for dinner, not busy and quiet, had a grilled chicken over a Caesars salad $16 (+ tip) - would have been much cheaper at Subway. On the way, my daughter noted that Subway and Burger Bar had a line of people stretching out the door, lots of young people. The youth just don't strike me as the type to step into a restaurant mid week for a quiet sit down meal.
Subway like Burgers Bar will probably be more appealing to teens, who constitute a large percentage of the Central Avenue pedestrians. Both restaurants are situated very close to several Jewish Day Schools that allow their students to eat their lunch at Central Avenue's eateries. Their location, like their fast food menu, was well planned.
Restaurant owners will say that, like any small business, a restaurant has to meet its expenses each month. Most can't survive three months of bad business in a row. This leads not to experimentation in their format but in trying to provide what the average Joe wants. If a community expects a slice of pizza for 'n' amount of money, then the safest course for a new restaurant is to match the level of what is already out there. We may all want an alternative to what the local market seems to support but
any restaurant owner who tries to fulfill the need for a more upscale alternative to Shmuel's House of Gruel has to be prepared to cut their losses when the number of customers coming through the door is too low to pay the bills.
Jared Fogle who has been featured in Subway's ads for losing weight by eating at Subway is a member of the tribe.
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