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<topic>
  <id>423329</id>
  <title>Poor quality of chowhound recipes</title>
  <published_at>Sat Jul 21 10:44:45 -0700 2007</published_at>
  <post_count>34</post_count>
  <board>
    <id>59</id>
    <name>CHOW Feedback</name>
  </board>
  <posts>
    <post>
      <post>
        <level>0</level>
        <id>2770630</id>
        <content>where do these recipes come from? why are they so obviously not "authentic" nor tasty-looking?</content>
        <published_at>Sat Jul 21 10:44:45 -0700 2007</published_at>
        <parent_id></parent_id>
        <user>
          <id>11190</id>
          <name>fara</name>
        </user>
      </post>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2770657</id>
      <content>Can you give us some examples?  The majority of the recipes I've found were actually very good. </content>
      <published_at>Sat Jul 21 10:57:33 -0700 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2770630</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>88944</id>
        <name>brandnewuser</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2770740</id>
      <content>Are you talking about CHOW recipes, here:

http://www.chow.com/recipes

or recipes posted on the Chowhound home cooking board?

(I know you posted this on CHOW Feedback - but wasn't sure about the reference to "chowhound" recipes.)</content>
      <published_at>Sat Jul 21 11:39:55 -0700 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2770630</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>10985</id>
        <name>MMRuth</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>2771270</id>
      <content>the chow recipes! oh god, no, please don't think I was talking about the home cooking board- there are some great things there, I love that board. compared to that board, however, the chow recipes seem really sup-par. what do others think? </content>
      <published_at>Sat Jul 21 16:21:45 -0700 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2770740</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>11190</id>
        <name>fara</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>2787021</id>
      <content>I'd love to hear more specifics about what hasn't worked for you, fara. </content>
      <published_at>Thu Jul 26 15:05:32 -0700 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2771270</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>10086</id>
        <name>davina</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>2787186</id>
      <content>I actually haven't tried any CHOW recipes yet.  One thing that I'm amused by is that non-seasonal CHOW recipes keep popping up on the left - I guess in the Blog Post section - I'm not too interested in egg nog and turkey in July, so I've come to ignore what pops up there.  Though some of those cocktails do look tasty.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Jul 26 15:46:17 -0700 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2771270</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>10985</id>
        <name>MMRuth</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>4</level>
      <id>2787648</id>
      <content>I totally agree with you about the excess randomness of the sidebar, MMRuth. It is so irksome to see not only unseasonal recipes, but unseasonal stories too. That's something we need to change. 

All of the CHOW-created recipes go through a rigorous testing process and are carefully vetted. We pride ourselves on the recipes, in fact, and put a lot of work into them. So I really would love to get feedback on what has worked and what hasn't.

I can vouch for the deliciousness of many of the cocktails on the site! </content>
      <published_at>Thu Jul 26 18:13:31 -0700 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2787186</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>10086</id>
        <name>davina</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>5</level>
      <id>2789796</id>
      <content>Any particular ones that you recommend - the food ones I mean - not the cocktails for now?  I'm heading on a 10 day vacation where I'll be cooking dinner pretty much every night, and if you suggest a couple, I promise to try them out.  Eat pretty much everything, though won't have access to decent sea food  ...</content>
      <published_at>Fri Jul 27 12:58:58 -0700 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2787648</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>10985</id>
        <name>MMRuth</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>6</level>
      <id>2789822</id>
      <content>I had a lot of success with the recipe for Mendiants.

http://www.chow.com/recipes/10080
 
I used a high quality dark chocolate (Vahlrona) and homemade candied orange peel and took them to a 4th of July gathering where they were inhaled with gusto. The best part was they were so easy to make I did it over my lunch hour the day before! (except the candied orange peel, I did that part a few days ahead) </content>
      <published_at>Fri Jul 27 13:05:23 -0700 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2789796</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>39747</id>
        <name>ExercisetoEat</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>6</level>
      <id>2790377</id>
      <content>Here are some favorites -- these are ones I've cooked. Let me know what you think!  -- oh, and i've made the mendiants too, ExercisetoEat, and they turned out really good. And so simple. 

steak salad: 
http://www.chow.com/recipes/10373

stuffed peppers:
http://www.chow.com/recipes/10921

red-cooked pork:
http://www.chow.com/recipes/10786
(probably a bit heavy for summer)

watermelon salad:
http://www.chow.com/recipes/10989

panzanella:
http://www.chow.com/recipes/10638</content>
      <published_at>Fri Jul 27 15:51:00 -0700 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2789796</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>10086</id>
        <name>davina</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>7</level>
      <id>2791586</id>
      <content>Thanks - I'm printing out a couple to take with me!</content>
      <published_at>Sat Jul 28 08:56:39 -0700 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2790377</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>10985</id>
        <name>MMRuth</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>8</level>
      <id>2832308</id>
      <content>MMRuth, you might want to try this salsa recipe. I made it last night and was very very pleased with the results.
http://www.chow.com/recipes/10646</content>
      <published_at>Fri Aug 10 07:36:17 -0700 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2791586</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>39747</id>
        <name>ExercisetoEat</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>9</level>
      <id>2867038</id>
      <content>I second that. I made it about a month ago and it was very good.</content>
      <published_at>Tue Aug 21 13:44:24 -0700 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2832308</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>98500</id>
        <name>Bat Guano</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>10</level>
      <id>2869107</id>
      <content>Yeah, I'm afraid it's turning into a new craving for me! I've been making it about once every two weeks and am finding it rather addictive (though I have that problem with good salsa, I could eat it pretty much at every meal or for a meal!). Thankfully it's guilt free... except for the chips.</content>
      <published_at>Wed Aug 22 07:37:24 -0700 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2867038</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>39747</id>
        <name>ExercisetoEat</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>8</level>
      <id>2855025</id>
      <content>Well, I have to come clean and say that although I printed them out - I forgot them and so couldn't do the necessary shopping before heading into the North Woods!  But I have them at home now ....</content>
      <published_at>Fri Aug 17 09:55:23 -0700 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2791586</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>10985</id>
        <name>MMRuth</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>5</level>
      <id>2866659</id>
      <content>Mulled wine is not my idea of an August treat.</content>
      <published_at>Tue Aug 21 12:22:06 -0700 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2787648</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>10133</id>
        <name>wally</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>6</level>
      <id>2866984</id>
      <content>Right - I think that is something Davina mentioned that they know needs to be worked on - the seasonality of the recipes that appear.</content>
      <published_at>Tue Aug 21 13:29:58 -0700 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2866659</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>10985</id>
        <name>MMRuth</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>5</level>
      <id>2867014</id>
      <content>I have tried some of the recipes and found them to be very good. I would look for a recipe here first, in fact, I am that impressed. And I also wanted to say that when I did have a problem (with a Key Lime Pie filling that threatened to spill out over the pie shell) my comment was responded to and acted upon. Try that with your copy of Silver Palate!</content>
      <published_at>Tue Aug 21 13:39:53 -0700 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2787648</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>24738</id>
        <name>LJS</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2854910</id>
      <content>Along those lines, Chow's food photography is laughably bad, pretty much across the board.</content>
      <published_at>Fri Aug 17 09:26:38 -0700 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2770630</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>10658</id>
        <name>Atomica</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2858278</id>
      <content>is it just me or do the recipes look better lately? some things i would want to eat: the enchiladas verdes, wild rice chicken casserole, artichoke pesto pasta, the banana leaf shredded pork. 
never saw anything very appealing before - if there was some kind of change made, thank you-</content>
      <published_at>Sat Aug 18 15:22:13 -0700 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2770630</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>11190</id>
        <name>fara</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>2863898</id>
      <content>Hey, that's good news! I'm glad to hear it. Do report back when you try the recipes.</content>
      <published_at>Mon Aug 20 17:03:09 -0700 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2858278</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>10086</id>
        <name>davina</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>2865163</id>
      <content>I'm going to make this one tonight to go a long with some pork chops:

http://www.chow.com/recipes/10712</content>
      <published_at>Tue Aug 21 06:26:12 -0700 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2863898</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>10985</id>
        <name>MMRuth</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>4</level>
      <id>2867705</id>
      <content>Delicious - and I posted a comment on the recipe page!</content>
      <published_at>Tue Aug 21 17:06:34 -0700 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2865163</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>10985</id>
        <name>MMRuth</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>3153057</id>
      <content>I just made the Mulligatawny Turkey Soup that was recommended for turkey leftovers. It's really hard for me to believe that it went through a rigorous testing process. I followed the instructions pretty much to letter and ended up with something that is barely edible. First of all, it was much too thick to be called a soup; definitely more stew-like; the spices were overwhelming (and I love Indian food); and there was way too much lemon. I've now doubled the amount of stock and put in the fridge and am praying the flavors mellow overnight or I may just have to trash the entire gallon of it.</content>
      <published_at>Sun Nov 25 11:04:14 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2770630</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>11407</id>
        <name>JoanN</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>3196732</id>
      <content>Have you noticed that in the footer at the bottom of the page the same three recipes have been featured for several weeks now?  Either this feature is broken and no longer the place where new recipes that come online are introduced or maybe there are no new "Chow Approved" recipes, tested or otherwise.</content>
      <published_at>Mon Dec 10 17:34:20 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>3153057</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>10039</id>
        <name>Melanie Wong</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>3196858</id>
      <content>No, I hadn't noticed that. Frankly, I this is the first time I ever looked at the footer. What I have noticed is that there's been no response to my comment on the recipe nor has the recipe been edited. Or removed, for that matter. I used to publish cookbooks. If we'd received a comment such as the one I made, we'd have had the recipe retested and corrected in the second printing. The great thing about the Web is that you don't have to wait for the second printing. But I'm still waiting.</content>
      <published_at>Mon Dec 10 18:13:24 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>3196732</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>11407</id>
        <name>JoanN</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>4</level>
      <id>3196929</id>
      <content>you mentioned you used to publish cookbooks, what format did you use for writing the recipes.  I have been looking for a nice format to write all my recipes.  TIA</content>
      <published_at>Mon Dec 10 18:38:14 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>3196858</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>62097</id>
        <name>paprkutr</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>5</level>
      <id>3196975</id>
      <content>Could you clarify for me what you mean by "format"? If you mean the type design, each book was designed individually based on the elements it contained. If you mean the phrasing of the recipes, a lot depended on the author's voice, although there are definitely some nearly universal rules to ensure clarity. If you could be more specific, I might be able to give you a better answer.</content>
      <published_at>Mon Dec 10 18:57:57 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>3196929</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>11407</id>
        <name>JoanN</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>4</level>
      <id>3202018</id>
      <content>JoanN: We tested this recipe a few times and neither found the spices to be overwhelming nor that it was stew-like. Mulligatawny soup is called "pepper water" because it is a highly seasoned dish and we feel this recipe reflects that. Of course, as with all cooking, recipes are subjective to a certain extent and what works for us may not be pleasing to you. Thanks for the feedback! -aida</content>
      <published_at>Wed Dec 12 11:25:52 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>3196858</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>40984</id>
        <name>aidam.</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>5</level>
      <id>4259629</id>
      <content>I'm having difficulties with a Bitters recipe from this site, in fact, I can't even get into the link to make comments on the recipe! Aida, I saw that you posted the bitters and I need your advice. After scouring the world to find "gentian extract" I was told to get it from a pharmacy, which I did, but it's bright blue and says it's a topical solution that shouldn't be ingested. If anyone has advice on where to get the right product, or has insights into my dilemna I would love to hear from you.</content>
      <published_at>Fri Dec 19 09:37:47 -0800 2008</published_at>
      <parent_id>3202018</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>226938</id>
        <name>katipdx</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>6</level>
      <id>4380726</id>
      <content>hi, katipdx: we found our gentian at our local natural food store and you can buy it online here: http://www.herbspro.com/shop/productdetail.asp?ptid=32396&amp;utm_source=Googlebase&amp;utm_medium=HPFeed there are also other recipes in that bitters story that do not call for gentian so you can try your hand at one of those if you'd prefer. -aida</content>
      <published_at>Mon Feb 02 11:55:00 -0800 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>4259629</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>40984</id>
        <name>aidam.</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>5</level>
      <id>4370156</id>
      <content>Aida - Here's a question for you, since you haven't been back to look at comments on the recipe itself: http://www.chow.com/recipes/14157

In your recipe for braised white beans with chard, you call for 3 tablespoons - nearly 1/4 cup - of kosher salt, in a recipe that uses 4 15-oz cans of drained, rinsed beans and one pound of chard.  I'm aware that kosher salt is less dense than table salt, but that seems like at least three times as much salt as necessary.  Is that really correct?  </content>
      <published_at>Thu Jan 29 13:01:21 -0800 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>3202018</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>18512</id>
        <name>Allstonian</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>6</level>
      <id>4380899</id>
      <content>Allstonian: We did indeed use 3 tablespoons of Diamond Kosher Salt. Due to the large amount of winter greens and other stuff, the recipe does require quite a bit of salt. The salt is added at the end so feel free to start with 1 or 2 tablespoons kosher salt and add more as you see fit. -aida</content>
      <published_at>Mon Feb 02 12:43:20 -0800 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>4370156</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>40984</id>
        <name>aidam.</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>7</level>
      <id>4434087</id>
      <content>Aida, my neighbor just made me pasta w/ breadcrumbs, broccoli, prosciutto, etc. from one of your recipes. So delicious!! I will trust all your salting prescriptions....</content>
      <published_at>Thu Feb 19 17:52:08 -0800 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>4380899</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>14040</id>
        <name>GDSwamp</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>3201861</id>
      <content>The recipe footer is broken, yes. We're working on some changes to the recipe tool and getting that functionality fixed is part of it. </content>
      <published_at>Wed Dec 12 10:51:41 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>3196732</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>10086</id>
        <name>davina</name>
      </user>
    </post>
  </posts>
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