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(MTL) How does Waldman's survive? Any other fishmonger suggestions in the lower Plateau?

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emerilcantcook Jul 18, 2007 07:17 AM

I just moved to the neigborhood around the square St Louis. Imagine my joy seeing many butchers, cheese and specialty shops, a bulk food store and numerous little takeout places. I almost fainted when I saw Waldman's, the big fishmonger, when I was househunting. I was sold immediately (I should have checked inside though). After a month in the neighborhood, I am still happy with a full belly.

However, the fish situation is puzzling me. I went to Waldman's multiple times, weekdays, weekends, early mornings, afternoons and not only didn't see any fish fresh enough for me to attempt purchasing, but also I saw no one else shopping. The place was literally deserted every time I passed by or set my food in. I don't get it.

I learned that the owner also operates La Mer, which is apparently highly regarded by the chowhounders. That makes the case even more puzzling. Seriously, I have seen much better fish in Wisconsin. Knowing that both institutions are owned by the same individual, is it even worth to take a trip to La Mer?

I don't get the situation. My one month in Montreal have thought me that Montrealers have extremely high standards when it comes to buying food So how does Waldman's survive operating a such big establishment by offering fish with flabby bodies and dull eyes to this crowd? Is there a secret code for getting fresh fish? If not, where should I go?

  1. carswell Jul 18, 2007 05:08 PM

    FYI, here are a couple of fairly recent threads about fish mongers. You'll find several addresses listed, though none in the Plateau area.

    www.chowhound.com/topics/314664
    www.chowhound.com/topics/336427

    But it really is a mystery why such a food-conscious city and such a food-conscious neighbourhood should have such a dearth of good fish markets, especially since we have several restaurants celebrated for serving top-grade seafood.

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      lagatta Jul 18, 2007 05:26 PM

      The Jean-Talon area fishmonger's I'm thinking of is Poissonnerie Tataris, 155 rue Beaumont (west of Clark, between Mozart and St-Zotique).

      But I haven't been there in a while. I got good-quality fish there (while back), but they didn't have staff that would be able to execute the boning carswell requested, which is indeed a pity.

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        tombombadillo Jul 18, 2007 06:25 PM

        When I get ther in 2 weeks I will availe myself of La Mer!!!!!!!!
        Jean Talon and Atwater fishmongers have exorbitant prices to say the least and not a great selection either.
        Waldman's was a shock when I went 2 years ago, one look at the place and you wanna open a box of frozen fish sticks.
        There used to be a great fishmonger back about 7, 8 years ago at St. Laurent near Rene Levesque, even saw some restauranteers buying fresh ones there, now gone.
        It does seem ironic to us Brooklynites that a French foodie town located on an island in Canada ,would have such a derth of fine fish mongers.

        1. re: tombombadillo
          carswell Jul 18, 2007 06:39 PM

          "It does seem ironic to us Brooklynites that a French foodie town located on an island in Canada ,would have such a derth of fine fish mongers."

          An island in the middle of a polluted river (mercury and PCB contamination are the main concerns re fish consumption) and several hundreds of miles from the nearest commercial ocean fishery. The port notwithstanding, Montreal is an inland city, not a costal one.

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            tombombadillo Jul 18, 2007 06:49 PM

            I stand corrected, thank you

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      JQReid Jul 18, 2007 04:21 PM

      Funny, I was having almost this exact discussion yesterday with my roommate. I often wonder the same thing, but not because of the quality. When I lived in the area last summer, I used to pass by frequently, and I still occasionally do. But the place never seems to be open. The lights are out, and there are signs to the effect of a restaurant opening soon. One year on, still no resto.

      Personally, I agree with the posts here that Montreal is not a seafood city (one of my few serious culinary regrets) and that Provigo is your best bet in the area. From what I've seen, the quality is better (higher turnover?), the selection is bigger, and the prices lower than all the other fishmongers I've been to. I used to work at Loblaws (also a good bet, parent company of Provigo) in Toronto, and if they work the same way, your seafood is still sourced by a small-to-medium enterprise, so you shouldn't feel bad about feeding the big corporations.

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        lagatta Jul 18, 2007 04:28 PM

        I live very close to Jean-Talon market (deliberately) and alas must agree with you - the fishmongers at the flagship Québec Loblaws on Jean-Talon (Parc métro) always have good, fresh fish. There is a small fishmonger's on Jean-Talon just before the viaduct between Villeray/Petite Patrie and Parc Ex, but it is most inconsistent.

        Atkins (a family from the Gaspé, no relation to the late diet doc) at Jean-Talon have very nice fish filets weekends, but only filets as far as I've seen, and a small selection. Agree that Acqua Mare and Shamrock are certainly not the be and end-all of fishmongerdom. There used to be a very interesting fishmonger's on Beaumont between Clark and the railway track (hence on the Petite-Italie side - haven't been there in a while.

      2. carswell Jul 18, 2007 10:36 AM

        A carless friend who lives in the southern Plateau despairs over the fish situation, especially since the mongers easily accessible by metro (e.g. Shamrock and Aqua Mare at the Jean Talon market) are pretty dismal. She says -- and this is more a condemnation than a recommendation -- the best fish in the nabe is found in grocery stores like the Provigo on Jeanne Mance and Park Ave. When she's looking for more variety and higher quality, she schleps out to La Mer. It's just further proof that, from a retail standpoint, Montreal is not a seafood city.

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          RomanW Jul 18, 2007 09:52 AM

          Weren't they bought by one of the large grocery chains at some point?

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            C70 Jul 18, 2007 09:21 AM

            they probably do a fair trade in restaurant supply to keep them alive.

            1. mainsqueeze Jul 18, 2007 09:21 AM

              I have no idea how it stays open either. The restaurant there had a bad reputation and has been closed for months. I see that they're about to open again soon (the paper has been removed from the windows) but I am not optimistic.

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                lagatta Jul 18, 2007 08:54 AM

                Waldman's used to be an excellent fishmonger - I lived close by when that was possible for people without a lot of money (the artists started fixing up the place, and...) It was very much patronised by the neighbourhood people, especially the large Portuguese community, who as you can imagine are fussy about their fish.

                I don't know if it is the current owner, but a couple of decades back, the owner sacked all the experienced fishmongers to replace them with younger and cheaper staff, and the Portuguese clients stayed away in droves. I have no idea how the place stays open - it used to be as packed as a tin of sardines (sorry...) and there is no way to have quality fish without rapid turnover.

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                  rillettes Jul 18, 2007 09:37 AM

                  There's a bulk food store near Carré St-Louis?
                  Waldman's didn't only sack the experienced fishmongers (early '90s), they also made sure that no one got their pensions, for which they had contributed all their careers.
                  The owner then declared bankruptcy, or sold it to his wife for a dollar (I can't remember exactly which it was), who then re-opened it as a numbered corporation, leaving the workers out in the lurch.
                  It was a truly crappy business practise. I can't remember how it was all resolved, or even if it was.
                  But, students new to the area who want fresh fish will go there. I used to eat at the resto, back when they had their all-you-can-eat mussel specials. Not that I ate a lot, but you could get about 3 half-size bowls with different sauces for $10. Pretty nice when you're on a budget.

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                    lagatta Jul 18, 2007 10:24 AM

                    Yes, that was a sordid tale, and a lot of those were guys who were well into their fifties who had worked there for decades. I utterly refuse to shop there. But just in terms of quality and custom, I can't fathom how they manage to stay open (although I haven't lived there in decades, I pass by there frequently on my way to Fernando's wonderful poultry and game meats place) - never anyone in there, and real estate around that area is very costly now.

                    I imagine that the educated, well-off residents of the Carré area must journey somewhere else for their fish. Can't think of anywhere really close by. I see a lot of Portuguese residents resorting to Portuguese frozen fish from local groceries.

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                      emerilcantcook Jul 18, 2007 09:09 PM

                      Frenco at 3985 St. Laurent is the bulk food store I am talking about. Not exactly on the square, but close enough.

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                        emerilcantcook Jul 18, 2007 09:15 PM

                        oops double post

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                        JQReid Jul 18, 2007 04:24 PM

                        This touches on excellent advice. Find a Portuguese family and ask them where they buy their fish. They do seafood more often, and from what I've tasted, better than anyone. And since you're in the area, that can't be hard.

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                          emerilcantcook Jul 18, 2007 09:13 PM

                          Fantastic advice. It is time to make friends with some of my neighbors :)

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