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luckygrlllll Jul 17, 2007 06:51 PM

I am looking for the best kobe beef steaks in SF or bay area in general. I am not interested in kobe sliders, kobe potroast, meatballs etc.

Anyone know of a great steakhouse serving up the kobe steaks?

Thanks!

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  1. nicedragonboy RE: luckygrlllll Jul 17, 2007 10:27 PM

    Alexander's in Cupertino. Be prepared to pay for it though. Last time I went, they let me into the kitchen and let me hold a whole Kobe tenderloin. $5000 in beef in my hands! You'll want to call in to see what type of Kobe they have available. They used to source Aussie Kobe, but they might've switch to a Japanese source now.

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      tobze RE: luckygrlllll Jul 17, 2007 10:53 PM

      I'm guessing some folks may mention Alexander's in Cupertino, but their wagyu/kobe steaks aren't that great, even though they're supposed to be graded A5 (highest rating on the beef scale in Japanese grading chart), and imported from Japan (Kagoshima prefecture, as listed on their menu). Granted, a lot of it could have been how they prepared it when I had it, which was pre-sliced, with bacon bits and a sweet sauce over it (none of which was mentioned on the menu). It wasn't bad per se, but I'm one of those purists who think a good steak (nevermind a pricey wagyu steak) should stand on it's own, maybe with a dash of salt and/or pepper to taste. If someone likes A1 sauce on your steak, maybe they'll like this preparation. If I sucked all the sauce and bacon off (which was actually quite good... who doesn't like bacon?), you can kind of taste the beef, which wasn't bad, but definitely not worth the price IMO, at least in that form.

      Granted, the rest of the meal was excellent, and the "regular" steaks were quite good and were classically prepared. I wouldn't mind making another trip from the city down there again. I just think their wagyu isn't all that.

      To put this in relative terms, I've had both so-so, and good wagyu in Tokyo and the good stuff was some damn good beef, worth every single yen. After eating the good wagyu, all other beef I had for at least a year after that was just disappointing.

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      1. re: tobze
        gemster RE: tobze Jul 18, 2007 04:16 PM

        Where would you recommend other than Alexander's?

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          wchane RE: gemster Jul 19, 2007 11:01 AM

          i believe alexander's is your only option in the bay area if you want real japanese kobe, but plenty of restaurants offer waygu, labeled as kobe, such as forbe's mill in los gatos.

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            tobze RE: wchane Jul 19, 2007 05:15 PM

            wagyu bahn mi would be interesting.

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            tobze RE: gemster Jul 19, 2007 05:13 PM

            I'm not sure what other restaurants around here import wagyu.

            I was at Bushi-Tei in SF once, and they had wagyu on the menu. I asked the server where it's from and he said it's US wagyu, but they have some imported wagyu that's not on the menu. While interested, I didn't order it at the time. I'm not sure if it was a limited/periodic occurrence, but I haven't been back since then.

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              luckygrlllll RE: tobze Jul 20, 2007 11:25 PM

              I cant believe kobe beef isnt an option anywhere in SF. This makes no sense. How far is Cupertino from the city? That seems like a schlep.

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                nicedragonboy RE: luckygrlllll Jul 21, 2007 11:59 AM

                yeah, it is a strange thing. If you're in SF, it'll take about 40-60 mins to get to Cupertino I believe.

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                  homerandsatchi RE: nicedragonboy Jul 21, 2007 01:40 PM

                  It's not much closer, but I believe you can also get Kobe beef at Mitsuwa in San Jose - 675 Saratoga Ave., San Jose CA 95129
                  (408)255-6699. Have you tried Japantown?

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                  Chuckles the Clone RE: luckygrlllll Jul 21, 2007 02:17 PM

                  For better or worse, the notion of kobe carries along with it a sense of trendy affectation that doesn't hold up well in SF.

                  1. re: Chuckles the Clone
                    Robert Lauriston RE: Chuckles the Clone Jul 21, 2007 02:31 PM

                    I think it's just the price. Harris' had it for a while, presumably didn't sell well enough. Masa's had it on the tasting menu with a $50 supplement.

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                      Chuckles the Clone RE: Robert Lauriston Jul 21, 2007 02:57 PM

                      Yeah, that definitely plays a big role since it puts a strict limit on who can play. But you don't think there are other factors at work? Taking expense out of the mix, look at what's been going on with cupcakes. Trendy as all get out in other places, here they're just another option.

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                        nicedragonboy RE: Chuckles the Clone Jul 22, 2007 11:11 AM

                        I think you got a good point. Though I see traces of the cupcake fad around here at least in peoples conversations about it.

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                          Robert Lauriston RE: nicedragonboy Jul 22, 2007 01:39 PM

                          We've got our own trends here. Fish tacos, boba tea.

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                        gemster RE: Robert Lauriston Jul 22, 2007 10:33 PM

                        Harris' still has it, unless you mean that they used to have real Japanese Kobe...

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                          Robert Lauriston RE: gemster Jul 23, 2007 08:52 AM

                          Yes, Harris' used to have real Japanese Kobe. It's easy to find American Wagyu.

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                      nicedragonboy RE: luckygrlllll Jul 22, 2007 11:14 AM

                      luckygrlllll, Alexander's really isn't a bad option. The drive, while farther, is really about the same amount of time you might take to find parking sometimes in the city. The food is in general quite good at Alexander's and they have a sample menu online at www.alexanderssteakhouse.com. Not to mention a decent wine selection. Albeit a bit pricey.

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                        Luthien RE: nicedragonboy Aug 10, 2007 01:20 PM

                        While I've been here a number of times and the food is pretty good, beware of the staff knowledge (or lack of). My brother was with me when he ordered a rare steak and verified with the server that it was a cold, red center to which the server agreed. When the steak came out, it was warm in the center. The server went to get the manager who then explained that "what you wanted is called 'black and blue', not rare. Rare is a warm red center". The mistake of this server put us all in a bad mood.
                        We've also been served a couple corked wines there where the staff were not able to tell that they were corked.

                      2. re: luckygrlllll
                        Melanie Wong RE: luckygrlllll Aug 4, 2007 06:47 PM

                        You're asking for it as a Western style steak. It's around the city in traditional Japanese preps.

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                          Robert Lauriston RE: Melanie Wong Aug 5, 2007 11:28 AM

                          Can real Kobe beef even be cooked like a steak? I've heard that due to the high fat content it just melts, so to sear it they use a blowtorch.

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                            Melanie Wong RE: Robert Lauriston Aug 5, 2007 12:11 PM

                            Makes sense to me, but I wouldn't know. I've had small pieces that were seared then sliced into strips for service.

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                              rabaja RE: Robert Lauriston Aug 6, 2007 11:10 AM

                              It can be cooked like a steak, you just need to keep it pretty rare. The ribeye is particularly good as a steak, or even better, as kebobs. Very juicy, with good flavor.

                  2. Robert Lauriston RE: luckygrlllll Aug 3, 2007 04:08 PM

                    A friend who ate at Sebo on Tuesday heard the chefs say they were expecting a shipment of real Kobe from Kobe the next day. So if they haven't run out yet ...

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                      vincentlo RE: Robert Lauriston Aug 9, 2007 01:47 AM

                      It was stunning (buttery, etc.), but expect to pay a premium since this is real Kobe, not say Wagyu from Australia. Each sashimi-style piece will set you back $10-20.

                      Vincent

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                        K K RE: vincentlo Aug 10, 2007 11:53 AM

                        That's definitely cheaper than the Wagyu nigiri at Sakae Sushi in Burlingame, a whopping $26 for a pair (only $3 more than o-toro...).

                        Apparently a select few have been served Wagyu "sashimi" (lightly seared I think with ponzu and scallions) at Sawa Sushi in Sunnyvale.

                        By the way while we're at it, Kobe beef, while famous here, is actually not the highest grade Japanese beef (Wagyu). Matzusaka if I spelt that right, and Mishima beef are much more coveted/expensive/higher quality, but I doubt that's available anywhere in the Bay Area (perhaps at some exquisite NY or LA place via grey market).

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                          bbulkow RE: K K Aug 11, 2007 03:24 AM

                          I believe there was a Wagyu/Kobe option of some sort at Sushi Sam's in San Mateo last week --- on the specials board, but also on the menu. No price, and I wasn't in the mood, so can't tell you how it was.

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                            K K RE: bbulkow Aug 11, 2007 05:39 PM

                            I've had it, and Sam has offered it before for the last 7 years. Not bad but nothing to write home about. Sometimes pretty good, but other times the otoro prep is tastier. You may be better off at Sebo or ponying up the $26 at Sakae.

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                            uchinanchu RE: K K Aug 13, 2007 04:49 PM

                            matsuzaka.

                            http://www.matsuzaka-gyu.com/
                            http://images.google.com/images?hl=en...

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                        Bryan Gros RE: luckygrlllll Aug 10, 2007 09:54 AM

                        Is this stuff available retail anywhere?

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                          Robert Lauriston RE: Bryan Gros Aug 10, 2007 02:44 PM

                          Maybe in Japan. Real Kobe, I think the only way to get it in the US is to order direct from Japan.

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                          dxcheong RE: luckygrlllll Aug 12, 2007 09:39 PM

                          Just had the Wagyu Nigiri at Sakae on Friday night. I asked if it was real (I had downed a few glasses of Sake at this point) when Jun San showed me a paper with the information from this site: http://www.purewagyu.com/Our_Wagyu/in... . Apparently it's Miyazaki Wagyu from Japan. Import company is based in Burlingame so sounds pretty legit. The Wagyu was incredible, definitely didn't taste like any steak I've had. The Aburi Otoro was better but the seared Wagyu was also very good.

                          Not the steaks you're looking for but thought I'd drop my $.02

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                          1. re: dxcheong
                            K K RE: dxcheong Aug 12, 2007 10:45 PM

                            Sakae definitely don't mess around, they have a reputation at stake (steak lol).

                            The scary thing is that a pair of aburi otoro and a pair of Wagyu nigiri at Sakae is already half the cost of the Alexander Steak House "Kobe" steak.

                            Thanks for the report on Sakae's Wagyu. That's very cool!

                            Though when you mentioned Miyazaki, that sounds eerily familar to the (same) name as the anime dude who created all those movies, like Totoro, Laputa, Spirited Away etc etc.

                            1. re: dxcheong
                              vincentlo RE: dxcheong Aug 13, 2007 11:05 PM

                              Sebo's kobe is also from Miyazake; Danny Dunham showed me the certificate of the beef they served a couple of weeks ago.

                              Vincent

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