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Jul 16, 2007 01:47 PM

Hollywood & Vine - Just Not the Same

First they took away the hookers, then the drug dealers, now Hollywood and Vine Restaurant is gone. Next thing you know they'll bulldoze the Juice Bar and Daddy's..... Oh, they already did that.

Supposedly there's a sports bar taking over the Hollywood and Vine space.

And I also saw an alcohol permit sign over the plywood down the street, next door to Lucky Devil's.

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  1. Hollywood & Vine never had Hookers only panhandlers. All the Hookers where on Sunset near Highland. I miss the Juice Bar & Palermos Pizza 1 block north of Hollywood & Vine.

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    1. re: Burger Boy

      The Juice Bar actually re-opened next door to Dos Burritos on Hollywood, about a block west of Vine.

    2. I miss the hookers and dealers more than I'll miss the Hollywood & Vine restaurant.

      1. But at least it will soon have a Pinkberry!

        1. Say Goodbye To Hollywood!

          The funky old Hollywood I loved and knew. Going....going...gone forever. Now it's getting to be just like Anywhere, America.

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          1. re: 2chez mike

            With about 6 or thereabouts more restaurants and one bar opening in the area on or around Hollywood Blvd. between Cahuenga and the Vine St. subway station, not one of which is owned or operated by a chain, I doubt seriously if this sounds or acts like anywhere else in America, nor for that matter anywhere else in the greater LA area. The place is humming, and when combined with downtown LA, is truly starting to change where people go out for an evening - not just the 310 area code any more.
            However, Katsu-Ya, a local chain sort of, will be opening within the next year or so.
            But with the likes of Citizen Smith and Lucky Devil, Memphis, and a new place opening seemingly weekly, lots of reason to keep up with the area's goings-on.

            1. re: carter

              To say nothing of Hungry Cat, Magnolia, Bowery (and soon a sister restaurant to Bowery).

              Seems like Hollywood is going to do just fine.

              1. re: SauceSupreme

                I think you missed the point of the original poster. Hollywood and Vine is being Time Square-ified like Hollywood and Highland, which is home to such tourist trap vulgarities as Hooters, California Pizza Kitchen, and The Gap. What was once a one-of-a-kind, if rather shady, L.A. experience will soon be a shiny, bland corporate playground that could be Miami or Chicago or Dallas or, heck, Raleigh-Durham, for what it's worth. There was a wonderful paradox about the old Hollywood and Vine. It was known as the most famous and glamourous intersection in the world, and it was, in reality, one of the most rundown, dumpy streetcorners in L.A. It was the place where one came to watch millions of tourists arrive to be visibly disillusioned, a symbol of the seedy underbelly of the Hollywood Dream.

                As more of these developers step in with their LA Lives and Grand Avenues, one must wonder, Which is better: upscale and flavorless, or grubby and truly unique?

                1. re: Woolsey

                  Good point. But really, Hollywood Blvd will always attract the tourists and so businesses there will always have to appeal to that asthetic.

                  Meanwhile, Sunset is alive and well, and if it weren't for the stars on the sidewalk going down Vine or the giant Transformers banner on the Paramount building, some tourists might not ever venture there.

                  But other than Sushi Ike, I do most of my grubbing on Sunset rather than Hollywood. I'll make an exception every now and then for some place like 25 Degrees (and again recently for Fiore) but that really is the exception rather than the rule. Even Jitlada is on Sunset!

                  1. re: SauceSupreme

                    I'd love to see something cool go in on Hollywood. But to see Whole Foods and Pinkberry showing up there - it's sad. Why not just dump a Gymboree there while we're at it? Part of the allure was the seediness of the whole area. I like the scuzzy stores selling wigs and hooker shoes. (I don't actually shop in them, mind you, but, if I actually need wigs and hooker shoes one day, it's good to know there's a place I can buy them.)

                    I'm currently on my own private Musso's-and-Miceli's Deathwatch, wondering how long it will be until the Disneyfication slowly working its way across the street not only wipes out the wacky souvenir stores and tacky lingerie parlors but also the two old-time restaurants still remaining between the twin tourist traps. Hey, maybe they can follow the lead of Cole's in Downtown and get a gourment chef to make over the menu! (In Miceli's case, I actually wouldn't mind. As long as the old Pig & Whistle's booths stay put...)

                    1. re: Woolsey

                      You seem to be missing at least my comments. None of the tenants going in the Hollywood/Cahuenga/Vine corridor are chain tenants, unlike the Highland portion of the street where as you say you have Hooters, CPK, Gap, McD, and the rest.
                      Pointing out the Whole Foods does not really support your case as it is closer to Sunset than Hollywood Blvd., being on the SE corner of Selma. Yes, in time, most of these new tenants will be gone, replaced by the bigger tenants with bigger credit lines, much like the 3rd St. Promenade or Old Town Pasadena, yet they will at least be convenient to get to, and definitely an improvement over the wig, hooker, and other shops of no repute that have inhabited the area for the past 30 or so years.
                      Yet, when the Broadway department store and the Brown Derby were on the corner of Vine and Hollywood, the whole neighborhood was very different, including the Nickodell, etc. The Knickerbocker was a fine hotel and the Doolittle Theatre put on some wonderful shows for decades. Yes, times change, and so does this one, and will continue to do so, and I for one am very excited to see it happening for all to enjoy.

                      1. re: carter

                        Silly, silly me. Pinkberry, The W, Katsuya by Starck - none of these are chains! I too am very excited for all the originality arriving at Hollywood and Vine - whoopee!

                        As for Cahuenga, they may not be chains, but just because it's independent doesn't make it good. I'm looking at you, Tokio, Geisha House, Bella, Beauty Bar, Kung Pao Kitty, Velvet Margarita...

                        1. re: Woolsey

                          If Katsu-Ya by Starck constituting 3 units, meaning Brentwood plus the under development locations in Hollywood and LA Live, is a chain, then so be it, although there is only 1 open as of now.
                          The Katsu-Yas in the valley are not part of this group.
                          As to the W Hotel, oh, yea, just like a Holiday Inn or Sheraton, etc.
                          Pinkberry - come back in two years!
                          As to independents, do you want chains(apparently not by original post), yet you do not want locals either - make a choice. Not all independents are good, nor are all chains bad. Those not making it will sell out, while those not up to your standards, yet doing very well nonetheless, will still attract patrons and will remain in business.
                          Today's article on Hollywood and the growth is quite revealing, and is worthy of a read to show the confidence that others with money are placing in the marketplace - like it or not!

                          1. re: carter

                            Another Katsuya is going into LA Live, a similar touristy development surrounding Staples Center. The restaurants are brought to us by SBE, the group behind Hyde, Privilege, Yu, and other hotspots often more concerned about how hard the velvet rope strangles the line than the food inside.

                            The W is, yes, a fancy Sheraton. You praise all the independent places in Hollywood, then you praise the W, for which city leaders used imminent domain to displace small businesses - like Daddy's (which I hated but others really loved) - for a Starwood hotel and a Whole Foods. Yes, I mentioned Whole Foods again - like it or not!

                            I hope your dream comes true and you get your Cheesecake Factory at Hollywood and Vine. Me, I'd rather see the old hookers and hobos.

                            1. re: Woolsey

                              If you read my posts, I said Katsu-Ya was going into LA Live and Brentwood, make #s 2 and 3 in that entity.
                              I also said Whole Foods is going into the SE corner of Selma & Vine, and thus is NOT a part of the W project but across the street from it.
                              And if Whole Foods and Katsu-Ya are not to your liking, then you deserve the....chain of your choice.
                              In a bunch of years from now, it may truly end up being Times Square, which ultimately will be superb for all of Hollywood, yet enjoy it for its localness now. As to Daddy's, there are plenty of replacement local tenants to serve its customer base.
                              I am just disappointed that that idiot luggage store had to remain - much like the guy did 20 years ago in front of the Blue Whale in West Hwd. These guys do not know when to sell to maximize their reward. When he finally does sell, it will be for significantly less $$$.

                              1. re: carter

                                What I find weird about the luggage store is that they seemingly have torn down the whole building except the facade.

                      2. re: Woolsey

                        Musso & Frank is doing just fine. 88 years and still going strong. Miceli's still packs 'em in as well.

                        1. re: Jack Flash

                          Yeah, you're right. I just think fear it'll probably the ONLY thing left of old Hollywood pretty soon. I love seeing that one booth of young European kids coming in, looking bewildered when their Rough Guides have led them astray. I'm half tempted to lean over and tell them, "You'll probably be a lot happier at Lucky Devils," but I don't. Musso's is good for them.

                          1. re: Woolsey

                            it just not going to be the same around here! we should just enjoy while we can!

                            oh by the way, are there any yogurt shop going to LA live? Maybe i can go there after Lakers game, so i don't have to drive to little tokyo or K town!

                2. re: carter

                  Memphis? Yuck! Ate there once: food and service were in sync--both awful!

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