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what happened to haagen dazs [moved from Manhattan board]

fayehess Jul 13, 2007 10:14 AM

I have become a big Ben and Jerry's fan in the past few years, on top of their creativity, I love the quality of the milk/cream. I brought home a few pints of Haagan Daz the other day though, and they were both terrible. One was peach swirl, with frozen cubettes of peaches and a swirl of peach syrup that reminded of frozen canned fruit sauce.
The vanilla in the vanilla mint chip had a cheap overly sweet flavor and sure enough, they put corn syrup in the ice cream base. For all the money they charge and hoopla about being a good product, shame on them. fayefood.com

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  1. janethepain RE: fayehess Jul 13, 2007 11:52 AM

    When it comes to ice cream with anything in it (choc. chips, swiss almond, etc), Haagen Dazs sucks. The ice cream itself may be fine, but the bits of chocolate taste like oily chocolate-flavored wax. I have jumped on the Ben and Jerry's boat for this reason.

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    1. re: janethepain
      TerriL RE: janethepain Jul 20, 2007 11:06 AM

      I agree, but I still buy the ones with chunks for the simple reason that they are lactose-reduced. For all I know that may be the case w/ B&J's, but it's not listed on the packaging as it is with HD.

      1. re: janethepain
        dolores RE: janethepain Jul 16, 2008 01:35 PM

        Quite right, janethepain. I hate'mix ins' and thought the idea of Cold Stone was horrific - and, they threw in singing to boot. Ick.

        I hate stuff in my ice cream, and Haagen Daz does it no better than B&J. Those great big globs of waxy chocolate, nothing horrifies me more. Even the late lamented (but oh their white chocolate raspberry swirl) Godiva ice cream was frightful in their quality of chocolate globs.

        That said, my final (after exhaustive research) choices for the best ice cream out there, 'still' in a pint container, are Dulce de Leche and Creme Brulee from Haagen Daz. Vanilla and coffee come in a close second, but anyone can make a vanilla, as long as it's French Vanilla and not the disgusting Vanilla Bean.

        Dulce de Leche and Creme Brulee -- try them, janethepain.

      2. Megiac RE: fayehess Jul 13, 2007 03:34 PM

        I never buy their ice cream with chunks, but their strawberry ice cream is divine.

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        1. re: Megiac
          ekammin RE: Megiac Jul 17, 2007 09:20 PM

          Does Haagen-Dazs (sorry, I left out the accents) mean anything? Is it a name? If so, in what language?

          For that matter, what happened to Fruzen Gladje (I think I got that right). "Frozen dessert", I believe, in Swedish.

          At least Ben and Jerry I can relate to. They seem to have been two guys from New York who got tired of the rat race and decided to go make ice cream in the country.

          1. re: ekammin
            amyzan RE: ekammin Jul 17, 2007 09:23 PM

            Ben and Jerry sold their company to Unilever several years ago. I still like the ice cream, but it's good to know who's behind the label and story now.

            1. re: ekammin
              oolah RE: ekammin Jul 17, 2007 09:33 PM

              Haagen Dazs was invented by a Polish guy from the Bronx. Name doesn't mean a thing in any language, but he thought it sounded Danish, which I guess it sort of does, if you don't know any Danish. Yay marketing!

              1. re: oolah
                Woodside Al RE: oolah Jul 19, 2007 03:48 PM

                Just to complete the illusion their cartons back in the early days used to have a map of northern Europe on them with Denmark at the center. I remember people actually referring to it as "that great Danish ice cream" (back when they were small and still made a really good product) before the reality became clear.

                1. re: Woodside Al
                  Karl S RE: Woodside Al Jul 20, 2007 06:32 AM

                  They chose that because Denmark is famed for its quality dairy products.

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                    Hue RE: Karl S Jul 20, 2007 09:57 AM

                    Haagen Dazs was created and marketed by Reuben and Rose Mattus
                    out of Brooklyn NY, a true Horatio Alger story. Haagen Daz has no meaning but Rose Mattus calimed they used the Denmark to honor it for its treatment of Jews during WW II. Mattus sold out to Pillsbury in 1983, both have passed. Haagen Daz is now owned by Nestle.
                    Frujen Gladje also invented by NYorker manufactured in Uttica NY.but the company was incorporated in Switzerland

              2. re: ekammin
                vvvindaloo RE: ekammin Sep 6, 2007 03:59 PM

                Heehee... "fruzen gladje". I remember those commercials. I don't know in which language that could possibly mean "frozen dessert", but "gelad dessert" is how you would say it in Swedish :) I am pretty sure the phrase is made up.
                For the record, though, I have always found HD's simple flavors to be head and shoulders above B & J. I like B & J for their creative flavors and their founders' "business philosophy", but HD always had the edge when it came to quality and richness (their commercially packed supermarket containers were never as good as the ice cream from the shop, however).

                1. re: vvvindaloo
                  callitasicit RE: vvvindaloo Sep 24, 2007 11:20 PM

                  You're dead on! When it comes to simple flavours such as Chocolate, Strawberry, and Coffee they are head and shoulders better than anyone that sells in a supermarket. I live in Canada so I am not privy to the various flavours that may contain chocolate chips and chunks, sounds like I'm not missing much though.

                2. re: ekammin
                  manraysky RE: ekammin Sep 25, 2007 04:29 PM

                  Does anyone remember this Ben & Jerry's ad?

                  "There ain’t no Häagen, there ain’t no Dazs,
                  There ain’t no Frusen, there ain’t no Glädj’
                  There ain’t nobody named Steve at Steve’s,
                  But there’s two real guys at Ben & Jerry’s."

                  1. re: manraysky
                    mrsbuffer RE: manraysky Oct 22, 2007 08:27 AM

                    I just have one thing to say about that:

                    New York Super Fudge Chunk......

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                tinymango RE: fayehess Jul 18, 2007 07:48 AM

                i vastly prefer hagen dazs to ben and jerry's. ben and jerry's is thickened with xanthan gum and other nasty things and i find their icecreams overly sweet, with all the baked goods smashed in there and what not.

                however, i have had some completely exemplary hagen dazs flavours. the mango, creme brulee, caramel cone, cinnamon dulce de leche, pineapple coconut, etc etc are awesome, thick flavours sans any sort of corn syrup. the sort of thing that i can't put the spoon down before i've finished half the pint.

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                1. re: tinymango
                  ddelicious RE: tinymango Jul 18, 2007 07:58 AM

                  the new haagen dazs mayan chocolate flavour is amazing. i could eat the whole thing!

                  1. re: ddelicious
                    Cat Chow RE: ddelicious Jul 26, 2007 11:48 AM

                    It's their best flavor IMO

                  2. re: tinymango
                    danna RE: tinymango Jul 18, 2007 08:56 AM

                    I agree. I think the ice cream in Ben and Jerry's is totally mediocre. If I want a bunch of "crap" smushed in my icecream so I can't taste it, I'd just as soon start off with low fat yogurt.

                    I think Haagen Daz is far superior in flavor and texture. Or course, I never get the versions with stuff in it. Coffee, Dulce de Leche, Belgian Chocolate, Vanilla...those are for me.

                    1. re: danna
                      HollyDolly RE: danna Jul 18, 2007 09:21 AM

                      I only buy either when they are on sale at the grocery store.As for FruzenGladji
                      I have no idea where they went to.

                      1. re: danna
                        vvvindaloo RE: danna Sep 8, 2007 09:12 PM

                        I agree wholeheartedly. I've never come across any major ice cream brand that comes close in the essential vanilla/coffee/chocolate/strawberry category. There is absolutely no need to add anything to them.

                      2. re: tinymango
                        welle RE: tinymango Jul 18, 2007 09:26 AM

                        Agreed. HD has the shortest list of ingredients of all commercial ice creams.

                        1. re: welle
                          veganish RE: welle Jul 19, 2007 05:34 AM

                          I used to enjoy HD's peanut butter vanilla swirl in my less calorie concious days. Rich vanilla ice cream with a solid, frozen swirl of peanut butter ice cream. It took ages to melt, and the peanut butter was divine.

                          They seem like nice guys, but I have never understood the appeal of B&J ice cream. It seems to be 'throw a lot of random crap and give it a cool name' marketing more than a good product. Why not just buy good ice cream and add your own toppings and give it your own pet name?

                          Eventually, I moved to Turkey Hill for pb ice cream--cheaper, very 'fluffy' but surprisingly good given how cheap it is...but now I just buy a cup from a regular place on an as-need basis. The 1,200 cal Haggen pint of pb vanilla was not good for my waistline in h.s.

                          1. re: veganish
                            fayehess RE: veganish Jul 24, 2007 09:35 AM

                            I love B&J's for the fun, but I also have to say I am sure that the base is a higher quality cream than HDZ. And there is no xanthan gum in the one in my freezer. I agree that it is way too sweet, but apart from spending a minor fortune on even more expensive ice cream, does anyone know a quality commercial brand that isn't packed with sugar?

                            1. re: fayehess
                              goodhealthgourmet RE: fayehess Sep 25, 2007 12:43 PM

                              it's far from traditional...but my new favorite is laloo's goat's milk ice cream. it's definitely more for people who like goat's milk or tangy products [like plain yogurt], and yes, it still contains sugar, but it's not as cloyingly sweet as typial cow's milk ice cream. and it's made in small batches with local [sonoma county], natural ingredients and no unnecessary additives or preservatives. they even raise their own goats for the milk!


                          2. re: welle
                            Amuse Bouches RE: welle Jul 20, 2007 10:16 AM

                            Breyer's is actually neck and neck. And for the chip flavors - mint chip and chocolate chip, I think Breyer's has the edge because it has GREAT chocolate chips. It's the airier style of ice cream though, which I don't mind.

                            1. re: Amuse Bouches
                              amyzan RE: Amuse Bouches Jul 21, 2007 12:26 PM

                              I've noticed that Breyers now says "chocolate flavored" chips, and looking at the ingredients, it's clear they mix cocoa with oils and emulsifiers, rather than with cocoa butter. I kind of like the cocoa-ey flavor when I'm in the mood for it, but I don't think they're really chocolate chips anymore. (Unless one agrees with the proposed FDA rules that chocolate can be labeled as such without actually containing cocoa butter. Whole big issue there.) I don't know of anyone who makes ice cream with real chocolate chips or stracciatella except for local businesses, but I haven't researched it either. It's getting difficult to find ice cream made with sugar rather than cheaper sweeteners and with ingredients like real chocolate, fresh fruits, etc. Haagen Dazs and Breyers are some of the few brands that still do, but Breyers has started to phase in all kinds of flavors with cheaper ingredients in place of ingredients on which they used to base their marketing. Most of the flavors labeled "homestyle" or "creamy" contain corn syrup instead of cane sugar, for instance. These changes really disappoint me.

                              1. re: amyzan
                                Amuse Bouches RE: amyzan Jul 21, 2007 07:59 PM

                                Whether the chips in Breyer's are real chocolate or not, they taste more chocolatey than any other chocolate chip ice cream I've tried recently.

                                1. re: amyzan
                                  danna RE: amyzan Jul 24, 2007 11:41 AM

                                  OH! HOT BUTTON! I'm so PO'ed at Bryers. I really respected their ice cream in the past. Bryers all natural actually meant something. you looked at the ingredients and they said something along the lines of "milk,cream,sugar,vanilla beans" Now they have "Double Churned" and it's got the typical lable full of crap.

                                  Even worse, although you can still find the all natural in the full fat version, the "Light", which was my staple, is just about impossible to find unless it's in the creamy/homestyle/doublecurned/madefromcrap versions.

                                  1. re: danna
                                    amyzan RE: danna Jul 24, 2007 11:48 AM

                                    Yeah, and I swear the light used to be made wih sugar instead of corn syrup, the vanilla light I mean. Now I can't find a lighter ice cream without corn syrup anywhere.

                                    I bought an ice cream maker.

                                    1. re: danna
                                      gourmanda RE: danna Jul 24, 2007 11:55 AM

                                      I'm with you on being PO'd at Breyers. "All Natural" with gums didn't quite fit my definition. So I switched to HD which, last I checked, didn't have gums and "stuff". But I too have bought an ice cream maker and never looked back.

                                      1. re: gourmanda
                                        wearybashful RE: gourmanda Jul 29, 2007 10:59 PM

                                        Breyers is so airy, it feels weirdly dry.

                                      2. re: danna
                                        callitasicit RE: danna Sep 24, 2007 11:24 PM

                                        I had a beef with Breyers as well because they advertised their "Natural" Ice creams as being just that, natural. It was totally false advertising, it was full of additives and crap. However, just recently they have gone back to all natural ice creams that only contain milk, sugar, cream and no artificial flavours or additives. I bought the ice cream and it was just okay. I prefer Haagen Daaz because I love the texture of the ice cream and it tastes sooo good.

                                        1. re: danna
                                          jfood RE: danna Sep 25, 2007 07:51 AM

                                          Breyers was jfood's girlfriend in college. they ate together every night.

                                          Jfood has been unable to eat Breys since then, feels queasy justthinking about it.

                                          But jfood is a add-in ice cream eater. gets bored with plain and loves B&J (has something of a family connection as well).

                                          Jfood also likes Turkey Hill. May not hit the mark for many CH'ers but their Cherry Vanilla ice cream is about as good as it gets. Fantastic flavor in the vanilla and the cherries are soft, sweet and juicy. and for the same price as a pint of HD or BJ, jfood gets the new fangled 1/2 gallon size, now deemed to be 54oz.

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                                            phantomdoc RE: jfood Jul 16, 2008 01:05 PM

                                            Turkey Hill all natural line is the goods for supermarket ice cream. Mrs. doc was a HD only ice cream consumer until we tried the turkey. No gums, real sugar, real chocolate. http://www.turkeyhill.com/products/al...

                                  2. re: tinymango
                                    Woodside Al RE: tinymango Jul 19, 2007 03:51 PM

                                    Ben & Jerry's is waaaaay too sweet. I can feel it corroding my teeth.

                                    1. re: Woodside Al
                                      ekammin RE: Woodside Al Jul 19, 2007 08:07 PM

                                      I recall finding out that "Fruzen Gladje" was marketed in the U.S. as being made "under license from the Fruzen Gladje company of Stockholm". What they didn't say was that the Fruzen Gladje company was formed in Sweden for the sole purpose of giving the U.S. affiliate its permission to make ice cream, and thus put the misleading Swedish origin label on its product.

                                      1. re: Woodside Al
                                        hungry_hippo RE: Woodside Al Jul 29, 2007 10:33 PM

                                        YES!! I totally agree! Although I am addicted to the Chunky Monkey. YUM!!

                                      2. re: tinymango
                                        John Manzo RE: tinymango Sep 8, 2007 09:22 PM

                                        Agreed. Ben and Jerry's is crap. The ice cream in their shops is even worse.

                                        1. re: tinymango
                                          ctflowers RE: tinymango Oct 22, 2007 03:07 AM

                                          If you like Hagen Daaz, then you'll have to try the limited edition (or special edition or whatever it's called) Pear ice cream. It has an intense pear flavor with tiny chunks of pear and pecans. Yum!

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                                            PythagoreanTheorem RE: ctflowers Apr 4, 2008 02:05 PM

                                            Is pear and pecans a good combination? sounds a bit funky to me

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                                              Emme RE: PythagoreanTheorem Jul 16, 2008 09:56 PM

                                              i am not a nut fan, and i found them very intrusive - i picked them out as i scooped my way through.

                                            2. re: ctflowers
                                              fayehess RE: ctflowers Apr 4, 2008 02:24 PM

                                              I thought I was going to love this, but it was way too sweet for me, and I didn't believe in the little bits of pear. I am a huge fan however of lindt intense pear; now if the two could somehow get together...fayefood.com

                                            3. re: tinymango
                                              alkapal RE: tinymango Oct 22, 2007 07:08 AM

                                              i am on a crusade against the ubiquitous gums! true destroyers of all that is right and good in food!

                                              oh yes, the HD mango sorbet used to be outstanding in its flavor and texture. haven't had it lately, though need to get some more for a little taste of summer, again.

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                                              MarkG RE: fayehess Jul 20, 2007 09:41 PM

                                              peach is a very hard flavor to do well. among supermarket brands, i think breyers peach is best.

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                                                amyzan RE: MarkG Jul 21, 2007 12:27 PM

                                                Yeah, except they leave big icy chunks of whole fruit. On the one hand, I know they're real peaches, but on the other, it's kind of a challenge to eat!

                                                1. re: amyzan
                                                  MarkG RE: amyzan Jul 21, 2007 03:11 PM

                                                  just let it thaw a bit

                                                2. re: MarkG
                                                  Chocolatechipkt RE: MarkG Jul 26, 2007 10:35 AM

                                                  Peach ice cream is very hard to get right. The HD peach sorbet is fabulous, however (esp. when you eat it with raspberry sorbet.)

                                                  1. re: Chocolatechipkt
                                                    callitasicit RE: Chocolatechipkt Sep 24, 2007 11:25 PM

                                                    I'm jealous as I live in Canada and we don't even get HD sorbets!

                                                    1. re: callitasicit
                                                      maisonbistro RE: callitasicit Oct 22, 2007 07:26 AM

                                                      Ummm, I don't know where you live in Canada, but you shouldn't generalize - I live in Montreal and the HD sorbets are readily availalbe in IGA's, Metros and I think Loblaws (thought I am not 100% sure about Loblaws). You also mentioned we (as in Canadians) can't get the HD with chunks of stuff in them. Wrong again.

                                                      1. re: maisonbistro
                                                        livetocook RE: maisonbistro Feb 9, 2008 12:15 PM

                                                        Yup and they are in Edmonton too. I saw them at Sobey's today. They don't have all the flavours mentioned here but they have the sorbet's and some of the chunky stuff

                                                        1. re: maisonbistro
                                                          callitasicit RE: maisonbistro Mar 4, 2008 02:06 PM

                                                          Ummm, I think you should read my comments again because I never said that we don't get HD with chunks of stuff in them. You're wrong again!! I live in T.O and we don't get sorbets, is that better??

                                                    2. re: MarkG
                                                      ctflowers RE: MarkG Oct 22, 2007 03:10 AM

                                                      I live in Connecticut, and I've never been able to find peach ice cream at any grocery store! (I'm originally from Atlanta, where peach ice cream was a staple)...how I miss it!

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                                                      MrsT RE: fayehess Sep 9, 2007 09:41 AM

                                                      Right now, my husband will not touch anything but that new 5 Boroughs Ice Cream. Staten Island landfill is his favorite flavor....it's a good thing we don't live there because the boruough is boycotting it.

                                                      By the way whatever happened to Jeremy's Microbatch? That was some good ice cream...

                                                      1. fayehess RE: fayehess Sep 9, 2007 02:34 PM

                                                        I went back and retried HD because of the positive posts, and it is just way too sweet, and tastes like the milk/cream is not so nice. After a summer roaming around the seaside, I think Gifford's tops them both.

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                                                        1. re: fayehess
                                                          nihilo RE: fayehess Sep 24, 2007 10:22 PM

                                                          i came to this board because i just bought my millionth pint of chocolate HD and was instantly disappointed. so i signed up to bitch.

                                                          wtf *WTF* has just happened?? it's become the cheap pseudo-chocolate no better than safeway or food club brand stuff. oh the heartbreak! did someone say HD got bought out by nestle? that figures. there's my answer. nestle knows how to make chocolate like i know quantum physics.

                                                          anyone remember godiva? is there at this present day any premium plain flavor ice cream easily available in the united states of america?

                                                          ras (maybe now i finally have a good reason to go on a diet)

                                                          1. re: nihilo
                                                            winedude RE: nihilo Sep 25, 2007 07:21 AM

                                                            I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet, but at our local Trader Joe's (Boston area), they sell Double Rainbow ice cream from SF. The Ultra Chocolate and French Vanilla are great, and very reasonably priced ($4 a quart). Nothing in them, and very true flavors, short ingredient list (cream, milk, sugar, cocoa, egg yolks). Yes, there's guar gum, but as someone who makes ice cream at home as well, I think it's a necessary stabilizer for long-packed products.

                                                          2. re: fayehess
                                                            PythagoreanTheorem RE: fayehess Oct 21, 2007 10:48 AM

                                                            NOT GIFFORDS. giffords is the most artificial s@*t ever!

                                                            1. re: PythagoreanTheorem
                                                              fayehess RE: PythagoreanTheorem Apr 4, 2008 02:27 PM

                                                              I don't know, maybe it was the salt and sea air, but I think you're wrong about Giffords. I liked it. Those massive chunks of reese cups with the fudge swirl in a really nice vanilla was great. fayefood.com

                                                          3. Sam Fujisaka RE: fayehess Sep 24, 2007 10:59 PM

                                                            Was just on a Paris-Bogota Air France flight where mid-flight they broke out HD ice cream sticks (choc and nut coated). Fantastic! To be given good US fake Dutch ice cream from the French!!!

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                                                              alkapal RE: Sam Fujisaka Oct 22, 2007 07:10 AM

                                                              where free markets and multiculturalism collide! (not the aircraft, mind you!)

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                                                              gourmethunter RE: fayehess Sep 25, 2007 10:44 AM

                                                              I think I might just invest in an ice cream maker. B&J and HD (original flavours, sorbets and all) have both been let downs. Although local McKay's (Alberta, Canada) is pretty tasty.

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                                                                winedude RE: gourmethunter Sep 25, 2007 12:13 PM

                                                                I bought, and use, my ice cream maker because of an inability to match the tastes of the great gelati I had in Italy. Here's the good news: you can make great sorbets, much better than anything you can buy, and they're easy to make.

                                                                The bad news: making great ice cream is tricky, and when you actually see the ingredients, it takes some of the fun out of it. I mean, I knew it had lots of egg yolks, but did you realize it's mostly heavy cream that's frozen? :-)

                                                                1. re: winedude
                                                                  Woodside Al RE: winedude Sep 25, 2007 02:08 PM

                                                                  Um, yeah, I did. That's why they call it ice cream. And is also why it's sooooo gooooood.

                                                                  1. re: winedude
                                                                    PythagoreanTheorem RE: winedude Oct 21, 2007 10:42 AM

                                                                    If the gelato in that recipe has a high percentage of heavy cream, I'm sorry to say, but that is not gelato.Gelato usually has no heavy cream. I know that because I lived in Italy for 3 years.

                                                                2. PythagoreanTheorem RE: fayehess Oct 21, 2007 10:46 AM

                                                                  I think HG's is (I don't know how to say this) TERRIBLE. I was watching a show about it, and it said that Haagen- Daz is just a word the owners wanted o use because it sounded elegant and unique, and not like normal american ice cream. Also, Haagen-Daz is 16% buterfat, which does not occur naturally in food.

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                                                                  1. re: PythagoreanTheorem
                                                                    alkapal RE: PythagoreanTheorem Oct 22, 2007 07:13 AM

                                                                    PT, i think a higher-than-16%-butterfat percentage *is* found in food; it is called, wait.... butter! YUM! ;-)

                                                                    (for some butterfat percentages -- and a neat little primer on butterfat).

                                                                    you need CREAM to make ice cream. better cream than vegetable gums, the ubiquitous, evil gums!

                                                                  2. mrsbuffer RE: fayehess Oct 22, 2007 08:32 AM

                                                                    mrsbuffer loves Edy's Espresso Chip

                                                                    Can't eat strawberry ice cream for a while - when we were on vacation in Myrtle Beach a month ago, mrbuffer took my strawberry ice cream and made a blender drink out of it -- with Tullamore Dew scotch. To say it was vile would be an understatement...

                                                                    The next batch, made with raspberry vodka instead of scotch was MUUUUCCCHHH better...

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                                                                    1. re: mrsbuffer
                                                                      alkapal RE: mrsbuffer Oct 22, 2007 08:41 AM

                                                                      "I'll have the strawberry scotch."
                                                                      Why oh why did Mr.Buffer defile the scotch?

                                                                      1. re: alkapal
                                                                        mrsbuffer RE: alkapal Oct 22, 2007 08:45 AM

                                                                        To quote Pink Floyd "We were very drunk at the time"

                                                                        Remember, we were on vacation, if that's any excuse. With the cost of the Tullamore, I wouldn't let him do that again...

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                                                                          alkapal RE: mrsbuffer Oct 22, 2007 08:47 AM

                                                                          sounds like a formula for a disgusting emetic!

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                                                                      Billet Doux RE: fayehess Jul 14, 2008 05:10 PM

                                                                      I agree. B&J's seems to be better these days.

                                                                      As for the H.D.: The Haagen Dazs strawberry is extremely sweet, the vanilla doesn't taste like real vanilla - tastes more like very sweet vanilla-flavored milk (whereas Breyers' vanilla comes up with five stars, IMO) and H.D. Coffee is good, but the last time I ate it, I slept for two days straight afterwards. Go figure, considering the HD coffee ice cream is supposed to contain caffeine.

                                                                      I noticed Nestle did, most certainly, buy Haagen Dazs. The plant, I believe, is in Oakland, CA. The last few times I ate ice cream that came from Nestle's plant in Oakland I had bad reactions, as well. It could be just coincidence - but maybe not. (these few incidents compelled me to write to the Nestle' company inquiring about their quality control standards; I rec'd a prompt reply, emphasizing Nestle's impeccable standards and the superior quality of their products.)

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                                                                        phantomdoc RE: fayehess Jul 16, 2008 01:18 PM

                                                                        Once had dinner with a food technologist who shared some info on HD. One of the reasons it is so smooth in mouth feel is that they reduce the amount of lactose. It seems that lactose becomes crystalline at the low temp making it feel grainy on the tongue. Still like Turkey hill all natural. I guess the 3 pint, sized down from a half gallon is still a bargain.

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                                                                          dolores RE: phantomdoc Jul 16, 2008 01:39 PM

                                                                          >> I guess the 3 pint, sized down from a half gallon is still a bargain.

                                                                          How so? The 3 pint is selling for what the half gallons used to sell for.

                                                                        2. thew RE: fayehess Jul 17, 2008 06:08 AM

                                                                          i like HD's chocolate. B&J are creative, but therio ice cream always ahs too strong a raw sugar taste for me

                                                                          my fave chocolate ice cream , however has disappeared (sob) godiva belgian dark chocolate

                                                                          now i'm sad

                                                                          1. linguafood RE: fayehess Jul 17, 2008 07:16 AM

                                                                            Wegmans Dark Chocolate is pretty awesome.

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