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sassille Jul 13, 2007 08:49 AM

I know there must be some links already posted, but you folks are so awsome its difficult to sift through all the rich material on your board. I am trying do a tasting trip around Little Italy. I'm on my own and hope to spend a few hours discovering the neighborhood. Where do I start? BTW I'm a fairly versed L.A. foodie. Would be happy to exchange like info for like- minded who are L.A.-bound.
thanks,
sassille@verizon.net

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    Sharuf Jul 17, 2007 12:47 AM

    Let us not forget Caffe Sport, which carries Sicilian-ness to surreal extremes. Haven't been there since Tony left us, but I understand they are still carrying on like usual. Anyone who likes garlic, olive oil, and manic eccentricity will enjoy this place.

    http://caffesport.ypguides.net/

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      Robert Lauriston Jul 17, 2007 08:43 AM

      Antonio Latona died five years ago. I can't find any more recent reports in the archive.

      I ate there once maybe 30 years ago, and was served uncleaned squid, cuttlebone and all. That kind of eccentricity I could do without.

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        Husky Jul 17, 2007 08:49 AM

        I agree completely. I've never understood the allure of the place. The food is terrible...maybe it is the "Soup Nazi" factor where people want an over the top, different experience.

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      sassille Jul 15, 2007 12:51 PM

      Okay, I think I'm understanding a little better. I guess I'm devising a North Beach food-walk. It sounds like you folks no longer regard it as Little Italy. I lived in San Francisco for a brief time in the ahem-mid-sixties. so my mind has referred to it as Little Italy.
      So If I'm doing a North Beach walk, are there any other stops to add that are not Italian?
      Sassille

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        wally Jul 15, 2007 05:13 PM

        I lived in North Beach in the mid to late 60's and it was not called Little Italy, it was called North Beach.

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          lintygmom Jul 15, 2007 07:48 PM

          You're absolutely right--not even on Wikipedia is North Beach called Little Italy. Far as I'm concerned, Little Italy is in New York, three thousand miles closer to real Italy.

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            MorganSF Jul 16, 2007 08:27 AM

            I for one still regard it as the Italian neighborhood in SF (though as others have pointed out, it's much smaller than it used to be), but it has never been called Little Italy as far as I am aware. Little City, perhaps (there is still at least one business with that name), but not Little Italy.

            For non-Italian stops, you could try The Lobster Shack (haven't been there myself yet but have heard good things). XOX Truffles, mentioned above, is not Italian. I'll just mention, since it's not the focus of Chowhound, that there are lots of shops on Grant Avenue selling unique clothing, greeting cards, antiques, etc., if you're interested in non-food stops as well.

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            Sharuf Jul 17, 2007 12:30 AM

            Ditto. I lived there in the early to mid-sixties, and never heard the term "Little Italy".

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            Robert Lauriston Jul 16, 2007 09:03 AM

            Non-Italian points of interest include:

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            O'Reilly's Irish Bar & Restaurant
            622 Green St, San Francisco, CA 94133

            Rogue Ales Public House
            673 Union St, San Francisco, CA 94133

            North Beach Lobster Shack
            532 Green St, San Francisco, CA 94133

            Kennedy's Irish Pub Curry House
            1040 Columbus Ave, San Francisco, CA 94133

          4. Lori SF Jul 14, 2007 09:34 AM

            Another classic, nothing like it in LA is
            Mario's Bohemian Cigar Store- Perfect spot for a glass of wine or beer, coffee. They offer some good pressed focaccia sandwiches -eggplant or meatball are both good. Great spot to sit outside and people watch facing Washington Park and you might hear the wild Parrots (conures).

            Tosca- a classic bar that is known for coffee liqueur drinks.

            Tommaso's- a pizza spot that has been around for a long time

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            Mario's Bohemian Cigar Store and Cafe
            566 Columbus Ave, San Francisco, CA 94133

            Tommaso Ristorante Italiano
            1042 Kearny St, San Francisco, CA 94133

            Tosca Cafe
            242 Columbus Ave, San Francisco, CA 94133

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              Windy Jul 14, 2007 02:39 PM

              You can also just get a basket of foccacia at Mario's, along with a house Campari. Fine way to spend the afternoon.

              Since no one else has said it, North Beach is an Italian area of a different era--the 50s and 60s. The best Italian restaurants in the city (and the past five years has seen a whole wave of regional Italian food) aren't there, although the list above contains many worthwhile stops.

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                sassille Jul 14, 2007 04:37 PM

                Thanks windy, I am just looking for a neighborhood-feel for a wandering chow-tour-hound. So far, I think it looks like enough to keep my tastebuds happy.
                Sassille

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                  lintygmom Jul 15, 2007 07:33 AM

                  Try Stella Pastry, which is right on Columbus. It's super nice to sit and have a cup of espresso and a pastry. Nicer than Marra's or Victoria's, which is not an argument about which pastry is better--everyone has their own opinion and different pastries are arguably better at each.

                  My Italian wine-importer friend, from the Marche, says Ideale is most authentic in SF, Riva Cochina in East Bay.

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                    Robert Lauriston Jul 15, 2007 10:26 AM

                    Ideale's owner is from Rome, his family has a restaurant in Trastevere. The place sticks pretty closely to that regional tradition and has a very Roman vibe.

                    His old SOMA place, Pazzia, still has the vibe though the new Tuscan (?) owner has given the food a bit of a different spin.

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                  Robert Lauriston Jul 15, 2007 10:17 AM

                  "North Beach is an Italian area of a different era--the 50s and 60s"

                  Not so true any more. Most of the old-school places have closed--the grocery store, all but one deli (Molinari; Palermo is new) and one butcher, all but two of the family-style restaurants. Most of the Italian restaurants there these days were started within the past 15 years by new arrivals from Italy.

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                    Windy Jul 15, 2007 10:47 AM

                    Let me put it differently then--North Beach's primary appeal is nostalgia, and location. Ideale (which is nearly 20 years old, as is Osteria del Forno) may be authentic, but there's better Italian food in the city.

                    There's nothing wrong with liking an old-fashioned vibe. The best thing about Mario's is that it's hardly changed since the first time I went there. Lucca reminds me of the delis I went to as a kid, and I appreciate Il Borgo for the same reason.

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                      lintygmom Jul 15, 2007 11:02 AM

                      Authentic Italian may be different from upscale California Italian, just as homemade in Italy may be different from the high class restaurants there. Each has its distinct flavor and place and I want each at different times. My friend is, I find, the best Italian cook in the area (linked with video conferencing with his 80+ year old mom in Italy). When he goes out, he wants a taste of home not cooked by him. Unless he goes out for Vietnamese, then creativity holds sway

                      I do wish N. Beach had remained the ethnic Italian neighborhood it was years ago, so full of character, but people move on and new immigrants move in.

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                        Robert Lauriston Jul 16, 2007 09:00 AM

                        Ideale opened in 1993, L'Osteria in 1990. Quite true that none of the best Italian restaurants are in North Beach, though you can't beat L'Osteria in its price range.

                        For the benefit of out-of-towners, I'll note that Lucca's in the Mission and Il Borgo's in Hayes Valley.

                3. sgwood415 Jul 14, 2007 08:49 AM

                  This is a great place for breakfast. There's a line on the weekends, but it's worth the wait if not too long.

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                  Mama's On Washington Square
                  1701 Stockton St, San Francisco, CA 94133

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                    lmarie Jul 14, 2007 09:29 PM

                    I can't recommend Mama's - it's gone way downhill since I used to go there with my parents in the '70s. I revisited recently and it is very ordinary.

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                      sgwood415 Jul 15, 2007 10:53 AM

                      What did you have there? I went there recently as well and thought it was as good as ever. Same guys are there cooking the same things. I didn't detect a drop off at all. I had the North Beach Omelete and coffee cake, so I didn't sample a wide selection. Just curious to know what you ordered.

                      Their strength was always the bakes goods in my mind.

                  2. MorganSF Jul 13, 2007 10:39 AM

                    Another Italian delicatessen is Palermo (smaller than Molinari but no line, usually).

                    My favorite restaurant is Ideale, if you end up eating dinner in North Beach.

                    Cavalli might be a fun stop for you too.

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                    Palermo Delicatessen
                    1556 Stockton St, San Francisco, CA 94133

                    Ideale
                    1315 Grant Ave, San Francisco, CA 94133

                    Cavalli Books & Cafe
                    1441 Stockton St, San Francisco, CA 94133

                    1. Robert Lauriston Jul 13, 2007 10:29 AM

                      Be sure to get a slice of porcini pizza at L'Osteria.

                      Some more North Beach recommendations in this topic:

                      http://www.chowhound.com/topics/34083

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                      XOX Truffles
                      754 Columbus Ave, San Francisco, CA 94133

                      L'Osteria del Forno
                      519 Columbus Ave, San Francisco, CA 94133

                      Columbus Cutlery
                      358 Columbus Ave, San Francisco, CA 94133

                      Biordi Ceramic Art Imports
                      412 Columbus Ave, San Francisco, CA 94133

                      Gelato Classico Italian
                      576 Union St, San Francisco, CA 94133

                      La Boulange
                      543 Columbus Ave, San Francisco, CA 94133

                      Italian French Baking Co
                      1501 Grant Ave, San Francisco, CA 94133

                      O'Reilly's Irish Bar & Restaurant
                      622 Green St, San Francisco, CA 94133

                      1. Husky Jul 13, 2007 08:58 AM

                        North Beach (SF's Little Italy) should be called Very Little, Shrinking Italy. The neighborhood, save for a few places, is mostly Chinatown now. The best bets on and around Columbus Avenue are:

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                        Molinari Delicatessen
                        373 Columbus Ave, San Francisco, CA 94133

                        Victoria Pastry Co
                        1362 Stockton St, San Francisco, CA 94133

                        Caffe Trieste
                        609 Vallejo St, San Francisco, CA 94133

                        Liguria Bakery
                        1700 Stockton St, San Francisco, CA 94133

                        Caffe Greco
                        423 Columbus Ave, San Francisco, CA 94133

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