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St. Louis Business Dinner Recomendations?

Dallas-based Chowhound heading to St. Louis next week for business . . . have one night (unfortunately a Sunday) for a nice meal on the company;s dime. I'll be dining with two co-workers of whom have far less culinary interests than I. Long story short, I need some help with recommendations for a great meal on a Sunday night (probably around 9:30pm or 10pm) that would not be too frou-frou.

After reading the boards here it seems clear that places like Niche, Terrene, Atlas, Franco etc all serve great food, but would they be too romantic for three male co-workers to grab some dinner. These guys would probably be happy with a good steak (or any grilled meats), a good plate of pasta etc.

If I had the choice to myself, Niche or Terrene seem like great foodie options. Would "regular guys" hate these places? Is King Louie a good option? Or LoRusso's? Is Seamus McDaniel's to be avoided? Is Iron Barley purely for tourists?

We definitely do NOT want a touristy place and we have a rental car . . . so driving is not a problem. We'll be staying right near the Gateway Grizzlies minor league ballpark (I-255 exit 15 Mousette Lane).

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide us!

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  1. I think you have the right places. My personal favorites are Atlas, Niche, and King Louie.

    Iron Barley is very good, I doubt there are very many tourists going there. It is kind of a small space though.

    Now, one plus for Terrene is that if they didn't like the dinner, the Scottish Arm is right down the street and you can do some drinking there, English beers, Scottish scotch, and cigars, very macho.

    I really like Niche a lot, you can indulge in a red meat blood lust there, I don't think that will be a problem.

    1. I would have strongly backed the Iron Barley recommendation (and no, I don't think it's a particularly touristy place), but I'm fairly certain that they are not open on Sunday. You might want to double check www.saucecafe.com (which has a listing of St. Louis restaurants) for Sunday hours, it could narrow down your choices quite a bit.

      1. Finding a meal at 10:00 PM on a Sunday is a problem. Since you are staying out in the boonies, I suggest you head to downtown to Mike Shannon's Steak and Seafood at 620 Market Street, which is open later than most places (the bar is open until 3:00 AM). It is a iconic restaurant in a new location near Busch Stadium, but still has the feel that Frank Sinatra may be dropping in for a steak dinner...

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        1. re: Doug

          Mike Shannon's has great steaks but it is definitely on the touristy side.

          1. re: Doug

            How late is the Frontenac Cardwell's open? My wife and I always sort of use it as our defacto weird time slot meal, because it's practically always open since it's in a mall (albeit a hoity toity an upscale mall).

            1. re: bobzemuda

              Monday through Sunday 11 a.m. to 5 p.m.
              Monday through Thursday 5 p.m. to 10 p.m.
              Friday and Saturday 5 p.m. to 11 p.m.
              Sunday 5 p.m. to 9 p.m.


          2. If you like prime rib, I would suggest Kreis Steakhouse on Lindbergh

            1. Kreis's is excellent for Prime Rib. Annie Gunn's is excellent. Your Sunday night is going to be a huge problem. Dinner is almost non-existent at that hour on a Sunday.... Iron Barley is not touristy at all. I doubt if any tourists know about it.O'Connels would be a great choice for a burger or even better the Roast Beef. It may actually be open on Sunday night also...


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              1. re: FriendOfTheDevil

                Thanks to everyone here on your great feedback. I started checking the hours of operation for several of the aforementioned restaurants and you're indeed correct . . . getting a good meal at 10pm on a Sunday in St. Louis (or any city outside of NYC I would assume) is a difficult task. I'll run Mike Shannon's, Kreis's, Annie Gunn's, O'Connell's etc past my co-workers and see what I can sell them on.

                Thanks again St Louis Chowhounds . . .you folks are VERY helpful. If anyone needs any Dallas, TX recs, please contact me and I'm happy to help.

              2. To save an out of towner a little research.... Kreis's is in Frontenac (at least a 30 minute drive from the east side where you are staying and they are only open until 9:30 on Sunday nights.)

                Iron Barley is closed on Sundays.

                Annie Gunn's would be at least 45 minutes away from the hotel and it closes at 9pm on Sundays.

                Niche closes at 9pm on Sundays.

                I think, maybe, the OP should limit his search to downtown eateries. They are more likely to have Sunday service, be open late, plus they are closer for his return to the hotel.

                Mike Shannon's or Dierdorf and Hart's might be the best bet. They are open late , both are going to be a 10-15 minute drive for the east side hotel stay, and both are pricey so a good choice if you don't have to pay that bill yourself and you're not sold on the menu anyway. But seriously, it does sound like either would appeal to his dining companions.

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                1. re: lrstl

                  Thanks for the feedback . . . Annie Gunn's and Kreis's both sound great but they close on Sunday at 9pm and 9:30pm respectively. Mike Shannon's and Dierdorf's seem to get slaughtered with user reviews (does Outback serve a better steak?). We did find out that Charlie Gitto's on the Hill is open til 10pm. We'll be done with our business around 9:30pm at the Gateway Grizzlies ballpark and according to mapquest it's an 11 mile 23 minute drive to Gharlie Gitto's (talk about a close call). We'd be happy with any good meal on Sunday night at any restaurant open til 10pm or later. Any other suggestions are welcome . . . any cuisine (as long as it's good) any location we can reach before 10pm (departing from the Gateway Grizzlies ballpark near Centreville, IL at 9:30pm) is open game. Can we eat at the bar at Tucker's Place (open til 11pm)? Also the Tucker's Place South location appears to open til 11:30pm (heaven knows why). Is the Tucker's South not as good as the original?

                  1. re: skedhead2000

                    I thought Tucker's Place (South) was seriously over priced for what you go. I'd prefer to just go to the Outback.

                    You can look at places on Laclede's Landing too. I liked Jake's Steaks much better than Tucker's Place.

                    1. re: skedhead2000

                      Shoot, if you are going to be over on the east side, try Lotawata Creek in Sterling Heights, its just off of I-64 along the access road. It looks like a chain restaurant, all the blond wood and hanging ferns but it is family owned and operated and the food, while not haute cuisine, is very good home cooking and they do other stuff well too. Here is the web site and the address, check it out. They are open until 10 PM on Sunday, although you have to go into their FAQ to find that fact. GRRRRRR.

                      Lotawata Creek
                      311 Salem Pl, Fairview Heights, IL
                      (618) 628-7373

                      1. re: skedhead2000

                        Well, I will let my fellow hounds pass their thoughts on these following late Sunday nite suggestions that I found for ya:
                        Broadway Oyster Bar (Pretty sure they serve way late)
                        736 S Broadway
                        Saint Louis, MO 63102
                        Fri-Sat 11:00am- 3:00am
                        Sun-Thu 11:00am- 1:30am
                        Tel: (314) 621-8811
                        Fax: (314) 481-7444
                        Email: oysterbar@hotmail.com

                        BB’s Blues Jazz & Soups (Serving food until midnight)
                        700 South Broadway
                        St. Louis, Missouri 63102
                        PHONE: (314) 436-5222
                        FAX: (314) 436-0084

                        6691 Delmar in The Loop
                        St. Louis, MO 63130
                        Phone: (314) 862-0009
                        URL: www.ciceros-stl.com
                        Hours: Mon. - Sat., 11 a.m. - 12:30 a.m.; Sun., 11 a.m. - 11:00 p.m.; Live music daily

                        Bar Louie (Serving until 1 AM on Sunday nites
                        )Central West End
                        14 Maryland Plaza, St. Louis, MO

                        1. re: DetectDave

                          If these are the best choices, I'd say it's time to try and get out of something earlier to sneak in someplace before 9:00.

                        2. re: skedhead2000

                          I would not go to Mangia. It is a little funky/casual place, Good, but not a "business dinner".
                          The places Skedhead named are all real good ( I have not been to Bar Loui's).
                          Charlie Gittos would be a very good bet. I would think you would enjoy that. Lotta Wotta is pretty good to. Good steaks, and really good mushrooms and onion rings.HUGE portions and I mean HUGE...

                      2. Thanks again for the incoming info . . . I stumbled on to a place called Mangia that sounds pretty good and they serve on Sunday's until 10pm. Any feedback on Mangia?

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                        1. re: skedhead2000

                          If Mangia is open, it's your best bet. They make their pasta in house. It's no the best you'll ever eat, but it's great bang for the buck. The last time I went, the arancini and spaghetti and meatballs were great!

                          1. re: bobzemuda

                            You never know what the traffic is going to be getting out of the Grizzlies game, so staying closer to downtown is the safer option or you might find yourself on the outside looking in. Although if you miss Mangia you can always hit South City Diner just down the street, they are open until 11 PM.

                            I was kind of disappointed in Mangia the last few times I went.

                            1. re: Phaedrus

                              I am very fond of Mangia, but it probably isn't what one would think of as an expense-account kind of place, more of a neighborhood pasta joint with more-creative-than-usual food. It can be variable...I've had a steak special there that made me pick my plate up and lick it (yep, I did), and other times they've put much too much pepper in the chicken papperdelle. The appetizer specials are always good...and hey, you're on an expense account...order them all... it's not fancy, but it is kind of funky and fun...I don't know if this is a plus or a minus for you, but they do allow smoking on one side of the restaurant (a recent renovation has created two quite distinct halves to the space), and, given your time constraints, it might serve very well, since it can be a late-night place (they have a 3 a.m. bar license) and you could linger over some drinks. (If you linger over too many, please take a cab home, you will be pretty much driving by my house...and both Illinois and Missouri cops just love to find somebody crossing the bridge after a big night out...)
                              I know it's very likely you have already been made aware of this...but the Riverfront Times did a recent review of the food at the Grizzlies ballpark...deep-fried whole White Castle cheeseburgers...urgh. You can find it on www.riverfronttimes.com in the 'recently reviewed' restaurant section.
                              If you go to Mangia, try the lavender creme brulee for dessert.
                              Let us know where you end up?