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If you encounter any problems or have suggestions for improvements related to our new Search function, please post them to this thread.

For more information on search, see: http://www.chowhound.com/topics/41654...

-- Jacquilynne, Community Manager for Chowhound

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  1. Big improvement, generally.

    Main problem: When searching from a board, it should default to return results only from that board. It takes a ridiculous number of clicks to get there from the current default.

    Where's the "search titles only" option?

    Sort should default to newest first, or be "sticky" so that you don't have to change it every time.

    Results should include "New" flags.

    Ads in the middle of the search results are seriously annoying.

    8 Replies
    1. re: Robert Lauriston

      Just type board:"boardname" or some substring of the name in your query. All the search options are explained on the help page: http://www.chowhound.com/search . You can search by title, user, and other things.

      We'll think about adding some persistent options, and the "new" flags is a good idea.

      1. re: Engineering

        Would still be nice for the search at the top of each board to default to that board, since that's what we want 99.9% of the time.

        Would be quicker if we could use board:[number].

        For the San Francisco Bay Area board, board:francisco works but that's kind of long. Is there a shorter substring that will work?

        1. re: Robert Lauriston

          I agree.

          If I conduct a search FROM a specific board, why does my search default to all boards? If I was on the Manhattan board and did a search from the search box it used to search for my query only in Manhattan. Now, it defaults to "ALL CHOW" which is not what I expected to happen since I already was on a specific board, so I'm most likely interested in information from that board.

          I would say that most CHers hang out on a handful of specific boards. If I see someone's post about Restaurant X in LA, then I think to myself, oh, wait, there was this other related thread about similar restaurants in LA. And if I do a search, it searches all of CH, which breaks my context. I shouldn't have to memorize "board:LA" or "board:2" to get what I want again.

          To go back to the way it used to work, I have to choose "Boards" and then click on More Options, and then choose "NYC Metro" and then choose "Manhattan." That's SEVEN clicks because everything is in a dropdown menu and it requires more complication than it should.

          In the ALL CHOW dropdown, Boards is at the end of the list, which makes no sense to me since that's the most active part of the community.

          AND if I conduct another search from the search results page, the form has regressed back to Boards, All board groups, All boards. This is awful. Usually I am searching for something specific, and then I change my query to refine my current search. My choices "NYC Metro" and "Manhattan" shouldn't keep changing back to the default!

          This is a very poor user experience.

          1. re: Robert Lauriston

            "Board:bay" is probably the nicest.

            1. re: Robert Lauriston

              YES!!! Really, all I want to be able to do is to search my local board and get results in date order.

          2. re: Robert Lauriston

            I use Adblock for Firefox to get rid of ads. I'd recommend something similar if you cannot tolerate them.

            1. re: loincloth

              I've got Adblock. I don't mind static ads, they just don't belong in the *middle* of search results.

              The way they're currently presented here, at least on my screen, it's not clear that there are any more search results after the ad, since it's at the very bottom. Took me a while to figure out that the page had more than three results.

              1. re: Robert Lauriston

                I agree.

                If I do a search for, say, pizza on just the Boards, I only see TWO search results above the fold. If I have More Options open, I see but ONE search result above the fold.

                Also, if I search for "pizza" on just the Boards, i probably don't need to see this text:
                149 blog entries | 10 ingredients | 7 recipes | 3 stories | 37,155 board posts

          3. It's pretty broken. I can't tell if it's a design problem or a bug, but it's wrong.

            The results are grouped by threads, not posts. Which is kindof ok if you don't mind having to do the old "control-f" search through the entire thread for the relevant post.

            But when you sort the results by date, they are sorted by date the thread was started.

            This is actually *worse* than what you were replacing. Updates to old threads are now completely lost. It still remains impossible to find the latest update about a particular restaurant.

            And finally, even if you ask for it to be sorted by date, it's not actually sorted by date.
            As just one example, go to the San Francisco board. Search for "Limon". Click "more options". Change to "newest first". Click "Search" (should be "refresh"!) again. Note that the order resembles reverse-chronological, but is not.

            6 Replies
            1. re: Chuckles the Clone

              You're right, that's pretty bad. What we want to sort on is the date of the most recent post, not the date it was started.

              Example: there's a topic on the SF board on "upscale Mexican" that was started on March 17 that has gotten a lot of posts this week.

              But if you search for "upscale Mexican," and sort by "newest first," it's not even in the first page of results, which is mostly if not entirely less recently updated topics.

              http://www.chowhound.com/topics/382000

              http://www.chowhound.com/search?searc...

              1. re: Robert Lauriston

                We'll change this.

                1. re: Engineering

                  It's Friday night. You shouldn't be working. Go out and have some nice chow to celebrate all the hard work that went into this release. Tell your boss we said it's ok.

                  Thanks!

                  1. re: Engineering

                    First thanks so much for all of this - and for checking in last night! Did you make some changes last night - I did a couple of searches "newest first" and they were in an odd order, but this morning they seem to be fine. I do agree with others that having "newest first" would be the better default.

                    1. re: MMRuth

                      Being able to limit searches to a time period is GREAT. Thank you! Having "newest first" would definitely be the better default.

                      It would also be better if the sorting options (of which there are only 3) weren't hidden in a dropdown menu. It should be easier to switch between the three views. Google does this well in their blog search:

                      http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsear...

                    2. re: Engineering

                      That appears to be working properly now: "latest first" and "oldest first" are sorted by date of the most recent post.

                      You might consider adding a "date started" sort, that would be useful when looking for a topic you know was started at a particular time (e.g. a report on a birthday meal).

                2. As that other thread should have made abundantly clear, relevance and newest are one and the same. You should ditch "relevance" (whatever that is) as the default sorting order.

                  1. "more options" remains "more options" even when more options are shown.

                    1. I'm sorry, but maybe i'm dumb .. how do I search on the SF Bay Area board?

                      I'm looking for a place in Vallejo, Ca which falls on the SF board. The only option I have is California. If I enter

                      Vallejo and paletas I come up with one option. There are alot of reports on this place. I also don't want to see every paleta place in California.
                      .
                      A future request. Separate the digest from blogs. It was the one sure way of finding info in search and now it is not working.

                      The other thing ... is there any way to search by poster name. That was an option in the original search of the new software.

                      There is a SF poster who blows ino town once a year and does outstanding reports. I couldn't tell you what he reports about because I just don't remember, but I know that there are times I want to reference his posts.

                      6 Replies
                      1. re: rworange

                        One thing they did absolutely right is they made searches bookmarkable. Here's the guy:
                        http://www.chowhound.com/search?searc...

                        As far as how to search a specific board, that's now as hard as possible:
                        1. Enter something in the search box and hit return.
                        2. At the top of the results page, see the drop-down that says "all chow"? Change that to "boards".
                        3. See the greyed out link that says "more options"? Unlike every other user interface element you'll see today, the grey does not mean it's disabled. Click it.
                        4. See the new "board group" drop down that says "All"? Change it to "California".
                        5. Now the greyed out "boards" drop down is no longer greyed out. In this case that actually does mean it's no longer disabled. Change it to "San Francisco"
                        6. You'd expect after all those changes that there would be a "refresh" button. There's not. Click the orange "Search" button again.
                        7. Voila!
                        8. Wait, one more step, change the "sorted by" drop-down to "newest first" since nothing else makes sense and click the search button again.

                        1. re: Chuckles the Clone

                          Cool ... many, many thanks. I'm amazed that without mentioning the name, you knew exactly who I was talking about.

                          I'm guessing where they are going with this, however, is there any way to have the dropdown list of board names rather than having to key 'San Francisco"? I don't really mind the extra steps if it gets more functionality, but it is a drag to have to key the board name when that info is available.

                          1. re: Chuckles the Clone

                            "1. Enter something in the search box and hit return.
                            2. At the top of the results page, see the drop-down that says "all chow"? Change that to "boards".
                            3. See the greyed out link that says "more options"? Unlike every other user interface element you'll see today, the grey does not mean it's disabled. Click it.
                            4. See the new "board group" drop down that says "All"? Change it to "California".
                            5. Now the greyed out "boards" drop down is no longer greyed out. In this case that actually does mean it's no longer disabled. Change it to "San Francisco"
                            6. You'd expect after all those changes that there would be a "refresh" button. There's not. Click the orange "Search" button again.
                            7. Voila!
                            8. Wait, one more step, change the "sorted by" drop-down to "newest first" since nothing else makes sense and click the search button again."

                            And:
                            9. If you do another search from the search results page, repeat steps 2-8 again to get back to the SF board!

                            Definitely as hard as possible.

                            1. re: kathryn

                              So, seriously I'm happy I can get to info that I couln't find for months.

                              The only thing is I am unable to narrow the search by board. When I select California, the drop down box for Board is blank. I can't key the words "San Francisco" in the box. I'm only getting all posts for California.

                              It doesn't matter what board group I select. There is a blank drop down list and i can't narrow by board.

                              I'm on a PC, IE 6

                          2. re: rworange

                            Just do the search on the San Francisco board - as far as I can tell, doing a search on a specific board will bring up results only from that board. Also, just type in the user name as one of the search terms - I don't know that it brings up only posts by that person with the other search terms in it, but it does bring up threads in which both the user and the search term appear.

                            1. re: MMRuth

                              Sorry - looks like I was wrong about this - must have been b/c I was searching using both my user name and other search terms, and so the only posts on the subject were on the board I was searching from - i.e., Manhattan.

                          3. It would be great if you could make searching the boards alone the default option, as that is probably the goal of the vast majority of searches. People don't want recipes and so on cluttering up their results.

                            Also, it would be great if you could return the feature whereby if you searched on a particular board, any search would default to searching that board alone. I think that reflects what most users probably want.

                            1. Thanks for all of this and for the tips.

                              1. I'm not sure if this is related to the updated search function, but since its implementation last night, I notice that the site can no longer read Asian characters. Whenever I posted about places in Japan, I always included the name of the restaurant in Japanese characters since most restaurants there wouldn't be found if people look for them written in english. Is this a feature that can be brought back?

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                                1. re: E Eto

                                  Yeah, that's a huge one. It was one of the amazing features of the new software, and lots of people took advantage of it. I hope this is reversible.

                                  1. re: E Eto

                                    In addition to losing Asian characters, the accented "European" characters, like o-umlaut and e-accent, are now displayed as Chinese characters. For an example, see the list of recipes on the Drinks page.

                                    Anne

                                  2. Bookmarkable search urls totally rock.

                                    Here's how to give yourself a pre-configured, all-defaults-correct
                                    bookmark for searching where you want:

                                    1. Go to http://www.chowhound.com/search
                                    2. Set all the options the way you want: search in "boards", click "more options"
                                    and set the "sorted by" and "board group" dropdowns how you want.
                                    3. DO NOT add any search terms, but click the "search" button.
                                    4. Your browser is now displaying a real complicated URL in the location bar.
                                    5. Highlight that url and drag it to your browser's bookmarks bar (this works
                                    in Safari and Firefox, not sure how with IE, sorry).

                                    Now when you want to search, just click the bookmark button you just created.

                                    Here's a pre-built one for searching the San Francisco board:
                                    http://www.chowhound.com/search?searc...

                                    Here's one that searches all the NYC Metro boards:
                                    http://www.chowhound.com/search?searc...

                                    Just drag these links to your bookmark bar.

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                                    1. re: Chuckles the Clone

                                      You can do it in IE by adding it to your Links folder in your Favorites. Click View/Toolbars and click the Links toolbar to toggle it into view.

                                      1. re: Chuckles the Clone

                                        Am I the only one where this doesn't work? Even using your link for SF, I come up with a blank on the board name and get all California posts not just SF.

                                      2. Once you've hit "more options", that copy should change to "fewer options".

                                        It'd be great to differentiate whether string is searched for in nametag or in post body/title, perhaps via choice of "search all"[default], "search nametags only" or "search posting body and title only". This would trim tons of noise in results (currently, searching for restaurants with given names in their title - or searching for foods and cooking techniques - yields lots of hits for handles containing these names or foods/techniques.......and vice versa, searching for a handle finds those restaurants/foods/techniques).

                                        I agree with kathryn that the process is seriously long and complex, but, hey, I'm just glad searching is possible again! Hopefully things will be streamlined a bit over time. One thing I can see aggravating folks is to have to always select "boards"...sort of a "duh" when you're coming to search FROM the boards. Can that pref be more context aware somehow (i.e. nix the pulldown)? I mean, maybe offer the other choices, as well, but somehow default to searching the area you're in (similarly - but in the micro sense - searching from a given board should default to searcing only that board).

                                        Are the aggressively paginated search results really going to increase page and ad views enough to make up for the inconvenience? If so, great, I'm all for the community paying the bills so we still have this resource out there! But clicking through 23 short pages of search results isn't much fun....could you give us just a FEW more per page? :)

                                        ciao

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                                        1. re: Jim Leff

                                          Oh, man....we REALLY need those foreign characters back! Every accented "e" in "Café", for example, is creating an extraordinary mess. See http://www.chow.com/topics/362439

                                          That's weird...the accented character worked, above. But it's reassuring...maybe there just needs to be a conversion algorhythm of some sort....

                                          1. re: Jim Leff

                                            What the.......????

                                            When I typed "cafe" in my posting above, it published with the correct accent (per my note). Now I see it's gotten farkled.

                                            1. re: Jim Leff

                                              I think the fix to the old posts resulted in special characters in post-upgrade / pre-fix posts getting scrambled. Look at some old pre-upgrade posts. E.g.:

                                              http://www.chowhound.com/topics/34452...

                                              梅菜扣肉 turned to ???? after the upgrade but now is back to 梅菜扣肉.

                                          2. re: Jim Leff

                                            You can already isolate fields with the following syntax:

                                            user:whatever
                                            title:whatever
                                            body:whatever
                                            body:"or use an exact phrase of whatever"

                                            You can even search:
                                            board:bay

                                            To limit results the the San Francisco Bay Area board, etc.

                                            Or is that not what you mean?

                                            1. re: Engineering

                                              From my perspective - the issue of searching by board from the search "menu" is a non-issue now that the drop down menus work for me. However, I agree with other posters that it makes the most sense, if possible, that if you are searching from a board page, for the search results to be limited to that board. Most posters, I think, are probably searching for board specific results, and that was a nice feature before (even though the search feature itself wasn't working so well - grin). I.e., it's pretty unlikely that a user is going to be interested in the results for "sushi" on all boards. I do think there is actually an advantage to being able to search by some of the "board groups" in the first drop down menu. For example, I live in Manhattan, but might be willing to travel for great banh mi, and doing a search for the larger area is a good thing.

                                              Thanks for being so responsive today.

                                              1. re: MMRuth

                                                First of all, many, many thanks. I can find things again.

                                                I don't know if you meant for this to happen so I'll report it. I checked against other search engines like Google and it works differently.

                                                A name with a hypen in it doesn't return the results expected unless enclosed in quotes

                                                "Bi-Rite" creamery
                                                65 results for the SF shop
                                                http://www.chowhound.com/search?searc...

                                                Bi-Rite creamery
                                                2 results, neither of them for the SF shop
                                                http://www.chowhound.com/search?searc...

                                                It would be nice to put that information in your post in the help instructions.It is not intuitive and will get buried in this long thread.

                                                I did like the original option of having a separate box for the poster id. However, as far as I'm concerned, everyhing else is tweaking. I'm just happy to find things again ... so again thanks ... really.

                                                1. re: rworange

                                                  Without the quotes, the hyphen's probably interpreted as "not," i.e., exclude posts including the word "rite".

                                                  1. re: Robert Lauriston

                                                    You're right, but it's a bug. We'll look into it.

                                              2. re: Engineering

                                                I see that the user:xxx trick is documented in the help (although sort of buried). However, I didn't see body:xxx documented anywhere.......am I missing it?

                                                Anyway, why not add this stuff to advanced search parameters (e.g. via pulldown) rather than have users find/learn/memorize terms? Currently we must drill down quite far to get to meaty search options. Once there, we may as well see a full gamut of choices, no?

                                            2. I can't search just the Midwest board. Selecting "Midwest" includes the Chicago board, which I do not want.

                                              The Board drop-down list is always empty, regardless of what I select in the Board Group drop-down list. (I'm using IE 6 on Win XP.) Besides, this two-level selection is fussy and confusing - why the extra steps to select the board with the name "Midwest"?

                                              Anne

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                                              1. re: AnneInMpls

                                                Engineering will need to take a look at the empty drop down list problem, if anyone else is having that issue, please let us know, along with what browser you're using.

                                                In terms of why two stage selection, there are dozens of boards--scrolling through the entire list to find the one you wanted seemed to take longer than doing the two separate clicks. Of course, that's based on the two clicks actually working, and I know it's not for you, but when it does, it's generally faster.

                                                1. re: Jacquilynne

                                                  I'm also getting an empty board drop-down list when using the search. Running Windows XP, IE 6.

                                                  A separate request: could the search return more than 10 results per page, please?

                                                  1. re: ElsieDee

                                                    Same here - empty board drop-down list, Windows XP, IE6, and I agree that more than 10 results per page would be preferred.

                                                    1. re: MMRuth

                                                      me too, same as above for Elsie Dee and MMRuth. Nothing on the dropdown menu for the individual boards and unable to enter/type into that field.

                                                      1. re: Local

                                                        Ok, we can reproduce this problem in Internet Explorer 6.0.2900.2180.xpsp_sp2_gdr.

                                                        Is it happening in any other browsers or versions of Internet Explorer?

                                                        1. re: Engineering

                                                          Firefox 2.0.0.1, OS X: problem does not occur
                                                          Safari 3.0.2, OS X: problem does not occur

                                                          1. re: Engineering

                                                            It's working now- appear to have full drop down selection on the "Board" menu. Many thanks!

                                                            1. re: Engineering

                                                              No problem with 6.0.2900.2180.xpsp_sp2_qfe.070227-2300.

                                                              1. re: Engineering

                                                                Thanks - working now for me w/ XP and IE6.0

                                                        2. re: Jacquilynne

                                                          I think that myself and other CHers totally understand the two-level structure of the boards and why you guys decided to implement the groupings the way you did, rather than have a giant flat list.

                                                          But we wouldn't have to even think about the two-levels if the search defaulted to the board you were surfing when you did the search in the first place. :) The two-level system definitely makes sense if you're in the mindset of switching boards, but I think that's not quite as common a use case.

                                                          If you're coming from the front page, it makes sense to default the search to All Chowhound or All Boards, All Regions. If you're searching from the Chicago Board, then defaulting to search "only Chicago" makes more sense.

                                                          Sensible defaults that adapt and are context-aware = GOOD.

                                                          1. re: Jacquilynne

                                                            >> seemed to take longer than doing the two separate clicks.

                                                            Was this user testing or developer testing? I think users are telling you it's
                                                            not true. Developers already are very aware of the somewhat arbitrary two-level
                                                            taxonomy. Quick, without looking, is the CHOWTour board under "site specific",
                                                            "topical", or "national"?

                                                            But even assuming the reasoning is correct, there's still a way to accommodate
                                                            everyone: make the boards dropdown be active even if the user hasn't picked a
                                                            top-level classification yet.

                                                        3. Suggestion: Please make it easier to get to an advanced search, such as a tiny text link under the search button on each page. Now, it takes two or three clicks to get to the advanced search (aka More Options, which doesn't always work - try it when the advanced options are displayed).

                                                          Anne

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                                                          1. re: AnneInMpls

                                                            Anne, use bookmarks. here's a good general one:
                                                            http://www.chow.com/search?search%5Bq...

                                                            and here's one for chicago:
                                                            http://www.chow.com/search?search%5Bq...

                                                            1. re: Jim Leff

                                                              Now THAT's user-friendly. An OK work-around for now, not a real solution. But thanks...

                                                              Anne

                                                              1. re: Jim Leff

                                                                Bookmarking a blank search is a handy workaround, but it's still user-hostile to make the default search something most users will rarely or never want.

                                                            2. I pretty much only use the search option on specific regional boards. However, when I click on the NYC metro area option, the next dropdown that should have options for manhattan and the like remains empty. I've tried this on other regions too with the same result.

                                                              1. First off Thank You for resolving on an ongoing issue! I know have the funyionality that makes chowhound usable again - Great Job!

                                                                Now for my suggestions - A feature I liked that does not seem to have gotten carried over but highlightin the search term in the posts. Also I agreea witht he number of posts - I do not mid the ads but find them annoying stuck right in the miffle of my search results.

                                                                1. More Options / Less Options is broken.

                                                                  I see you've added the "less options" thing mentioned above. I'm guessing you're
                                                                  keeping the same state in two places -- because it's real easy to confuse.

                                                                  1. Search for something.
                                                                  2. On the result page, click "more options". Note the link changes to "less options".
                                                                  3. Change "in" dropdown to "Boards".
                                                                  4. Change "board group" to "california"
                                                                  5. Change "board" to "california".
                                                                  6. Click search button to re-run the original search.
                                                                  7. When results are displayed, note that the options link has reverted to "more options".
                                                                  8. However, note also that the additional options are still displayed.
                                                                  9. Click "more options" to hide additional options.
                                                                  10. Note that the link now reads "less options" even though less options are already displayed. The functionality and the label are now reversed.

                                                                  And I really hate to be pedantic (no, that's not true, I *love* to be pedantic) but
                                                                  it's FEWER! :)

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                                                                  1. re: Chuckles the Clone

                                                                    Should be fixed!

                                                                  2. Am jfood missing something or is there no "Tri-State" board to search on.

                                                                    looking for restos in East Hampton and there is no way to limit search to this board.

                                                                    jfood would have thought with all the effort you guys would have replicated all the boards. the only work around is "east hampton" board:tristate?

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                                                                    1. re: jfood

                                                                      Well, I'm very happy that something has finally been done about the search function. Thank you. But once again, (why does this keep happening here?) I have to wonder who was thinking what when this was designed. I'm not talking about bugs. I expect that when something new is rolled out. These seem to be deliberate design choices and I wonder if anyone there has ever done a search on another website and seen what it's like when it works well and easily. There's this really useful site at www.google.com. You may not know about it. Go play with it for a while. See what happens when you click on Advanced Search. You might get some good ideas.

                                                                      Today I am looking for recipes with buttermilk as an ingredient.

                                                                      How It Ought To Work: I go to the Home Cooking board. I put in "buttermilk" as a search term. It comes up with a reverse chronological list of every post on the Home Cooking board that has the word buttermilk in it and nothing else. (Not that I really care about chronology for this specific search, but usually it matters a great deal, so that should be the default.) If I want something even fancier or more specific, there's an Advanced Search option that takes me to an Advanced Search template that lets me specify all sorts of stuff at one time.

                                                                      How It Actually Works For Reasons Passing Understanding: I go to the Home Cooking board. I put in "buttermilk" as a search term. I get a list of everything everywhere that has buttermilk in it. I see board group and board drop down menus. Those look useful. Yes, I'd like to specify a board! But they're greyed out and I can't use them and I have no idea why. I remember that I can use a board name as an additional search term, so I add that.

                                                                      (Important aside: When I first looked at the search instructions, I saw instructions for basic and advanced searches. EVERY OTHER website I have ever been to that has basic and advanced search options has an ACTUAL BUTTON LABELLED ADVANCED SEARCH that takes you to an actual advanced search template. I looked and looked and looked and couldn't find it. I had to read your instructions several times before it dawned on me that there is no advanced search template and that it's all just instructions for what to put in the box. OK, partly my bad, I skimmed the directions. But why do it differently than everyone else on the planet? Don't you think most people, seeing "advanced search" are looking for a button or a template?)

                                                                      Back to my buttermilk search. I now have fewer buttermilk posts, but they include one blog entry, 3 stories and, along with posts from Home Cooking, posts from other boards. (Bug? Another deliberate and completely unwelcome design feature? Who knows with you guys?) I come over to this thread to see what I can figure out. Oh look, there's a post that suggests that I change ALL CHOW to Boards. I do that. I have to click search again. Why oh why doesn't it just refresh automatically? Oooo look, when I do that, the board group drop down menu springs to life and I can pick Topical. Click search yet again. I now have approximately 400 fewer posts in the list and the actual Board menu has sprung to life. Click on Home Cooking. Click search. And we've dropped another 150 undesirable posts. Now, FINALLY, I have the list I wanted. Why did that take 17 steps? It really didn't have to.

                                                                      1. re: marcia2

                                                                        Marcia2, your sage and learned comments have hit on the essential problems with the new search function:

                                                                        - It's too hard to search a single board (i.e, the one you're currently looking at).

                                                                        - The chow engineers ignored existing web standards for advanced search.

                                                                        Thanks for posting this great explanation of what's wrong.

                                                                        Anne

                                                                        1. re: AnneInMpls

                                                                          A "Search this board" link was added to every topic and board index earlier today.

                                                                          1. re: Engineering

                                                                            Huh. I don't see the "Search this board" link. Is it supposed to be under the Search button? If not, do you have to click the search button before you see it?

                                                                            Anne

                                                                            [Edited to add] Oh, now I see it - WAYYYYYYY far away from the Search button over by the Topic Options. Sorry, but that's really unclear.

                                                                            When I looked at the Search box and Search button, I didn't think I'd have to comb through the rest of the window looking for other search options.

                                                                            Couldn't you put the "Search this board" link under the search button? Along with an "Advanced Search" option? That's how the major sites do it (Google, Yahoo, etc.).

                                                                            1. re: AnneInMpls

                                                                              I agree -- but I think that the "search this board" link is a temporary solution.

                                                                              Hopefully they will have a better one in place (say, defaulting to the right board group + board in the first place) soon.

                                                                            2. re: Engineering

                                                                              I happen to love this new "Search this board" feature. It is exactly what I need. Thank you.

                                                                      2. Another problem has surfaced:

                                                                        If you search for "dinner cruise" in search for NY you receive:

                                                                        Dinner cruise (1 reply)
                                                                        I'm looking for a nice dinner cruise romantic enough so my girlfriend ... you can get to Greenwich CT Fjord cruises have very nice ... , unfortunately, the food on those dinner cruises is mediocre at best. ... Greenwich CT here is a cruise that the boat is beautiful ...
                                                                        Started by dmbrooking; last post by RGR on Jul 05, 2007 05:42 PM
                                                                        Boards: NYC Metro (and north): Manhattan

                                                                        Yet when you click on the link you see this:

                                                                        MANHATTAN
                                                                        Dinner cruise
                                                                        I'm looking for a nice dinner cruise... romantic enough so my girlfriend will be happy, but with good enough food so I will be happy.
                                                                        Anyone have any suggestions?
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                                                                        1. The consensus is that, unfortunately, the food on those dinner cruises is mediocre at best.
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                                                                        RGR Jul 05, 2007 02:42PM

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                                                                        With no mention of fjord or greenwich.

                                                                        Very confusing

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                                                                        1. re: jfood

                                                                          Fixed; thank you.

                                                                        2. looking for posts on Redding CA I typed that into search bar. What I got was 3 "posts" that contained the word 'red' and a bunch of adds. WTH?

                                                                          I don't have time to sit and try to figure this out. Do not like the new search at ALL.

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                                                                          1. re: toodie jane

                                                                            [Edited to correct link.]

                                                                            Please see this post from Engineering:

                                                                            http://www.chowhound.com/topics/418297

                                                                            1. re: toodie jane

                                                                              There are more results underneath the ads, scroll down. For some reason, the designers are emulating the search look-and-feel of Altavista ("make the ads look just like the search results") rather than Google ("don't make the ads look like search results"). The outcome is predictable, the mind boggles, etc.

                                                                              But there's also an additional problem with the stemming algorithm: "redding" should not be returning "red" -- it's a town, not a participle.

                                                                              1. re: Chuckles the Clone

                                                                                Looks like a bug: "redding" in double quotes is inappropriately being handled as a fuzzy search.

                                                                                Is there some explicit way to de-fuzzy a search term?

                                                                                1. re: Chuckles the Clone

                                                                                  On a related note, I tried searching for "Sprungli", a brand of chocolate, and 27 results for "sprung" came back. The mystery is why only 27. . .

                                                                              2. The "Search this board" link is a handy temporary workaround, but in terms of UI design it's very much like the down-pointing arrow next to the Boards menu item: using the obvious tool gives you something unexpected and useless, so newbies get confused.

                                                                                The Search field in the top-right corner should work the way the "Search this board" link does.

                                                                                1. Just noticed odd behavior - did a simple search from the lates posts looking for kosher - The number of results found changes dynamically with the different views and sorts -

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                                                                                  1. re: weinstein5

                                                                                    Yes; we are working on it: http://www.chowhound.com/topics/418297 . Thanks for the report though.

                                                                                  2. It would be really nice to be able to sort by number of replies, or better yet to set a threshold value for minimum number of replies.

                                                                                    On busy boards, this would be a help in trying to find the occasional topic with a lot of reponses in the haystack of questions that get asked five times a week (e.g. "First visit to ____, where should I eat?").

                                                                                    1. Searched for Connecticut using Title: CT.

                                                                                      What I got was CT listed in the body copy of four Austin board posts and
                                                                                      NO posts with CT in the title.

                                                                                      Sigh.

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                                                                                      1. re: maria lorraine

                                                                                        Try this:

                                                                                        http://www.chowhound.com/search?searc...

                                                                                        1. re: Robert Lauriston

                                                                                          Thanks for your legwork, Robert. The search function appears to be like a bad radio -- fading in and out.

                                                                                          Get this:
                                                                                          I copied exactly the phrase Title:ct from your search results into the blank search window at top right and then got...0 zip nada nothing. Same result twice. Buggy.

                                                                                          Same search using 10 years ago rather than your one year. First time 900-something results. Second time: 1203. Third time: 0. Fourth time: 0. Just now: 3 results. No rhyme nor reason.

                                                                                          1. re: maria lorraine

                                                                                            Engineering says just above this that they are aware of and working on inconsistencies in search results.

                                                                                            1. re: Chris VR

                                                                                              Yes, knew this. I pointed it out, Chris, because I was *unable to reproduce* Robert's search. Thanks anyway.

                                                                                      2. Thanks for putting in the new search engine! It's a relief to finally have this capability on the site.

                                                                                        I definitely agree with the suggestions that the default behavior when you search in the search box should be to search that board only, and to get rid of the special "search this board" link.

                                                                                        Also, may I suggest a new "search form 2.0 beta" which would be on a separate page, and which people could comment on, and Engineering might iteratively improve until it was what people wanted? This might work better than releasing a major new feature all at once, without any community feedback.

                                                                                        Thanks for finally implementing this, though.

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                                                                                        1. re: shivohum

                                                                                          Actually I'm curious what happened to the original search beta. Jacquilynne repeatedly mentioned that we were having one. A lot of these little bugs / usability issues could've been caught beforehand.

                                                                                          Otherwise, good work so far!

                                                                                          1. re: eatfood

                                                                                            There was a lot of trouble with the beta site and access when we tried to do a beta of places. Fixing search was a higher priority than fixing beta.

                                                                                        2. Am I doing something wrong?

                                                                                          I wanted to do a simple search for pork chops.
                                                                                          On the Home Cooking board, I clicked on "search this board"
                                                                                          In the search window, I typed "pork chops" in quotes, just as you see there, because the information thread says to enclose an exact phrase in quotes.
                                                                                          However, my results returned posts that had any of the words "pork" "chops" and "chopped" (which I didn't even ask for).
                                                                                          So, what am I doing wrong? It took me forever to find a post that I had put up just a month ago.

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                                                                                          1. re: QueenB

                                                                                            I just tried that and all 221 topics found appear to include the phrase "pork chops".

                                                                                            1. re: Robert Lauriston

                                                                                              ok, I get it.
                                                                                              All the topics do include pork chops. However the search engine also highlights the word "chopping", which was what threw me off.

                                                                                          2. A couple of suggestions:

                                                                                            1. It would be really helpful if we had the option of changing the date range in an advanced search. For example, when searching the "home cooking" board I usually don't care if the post is over a year old (since cooking doesn't need the same time pertinence that say a restaurant does.

                                                                                            2. In an advanced search it would be great to have the option to change the sort order. I would particularly like to see a sort by "relevance".

                                                                                            3. Finally, the advanced options like "search title only" should really be available in the interface with drop down menu options.

                                                                                            Thanks for continuing to improve the site...it's come a LONG way in the last couple of years!!

                                                                                            Kimberly

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                                                                                            1. re: okiedokieartichokie

                                                                                              Have you used the "show options" option in the Search menu? It lets you choose different time frames (the default is 10 years) and sort by relevance (the default), newest first, oldest first.

                                                                                            2. My search feature wishlist:

                                                                                              1. filter by minimum number of posts (to screen out all the "first time in SF, where should I eat, I love everything!" topics with little or no response and find the meaty ones with 50+ posts)

                                                                                              2. get "New" flags in the search results

                                                                                              Minor UI text issue: in the results, "## board posts" should be "## topics found"