What is with the smell at Subway??
I forgot my lunch today. Needed something cheap, quick and healthy. The closest option to my office that fits these three things is Subway so I ran down there.
And remembered why I never want to go there.
The smell. THE SMELL!!
When I tell other people I won't eat there because of the smell they look at me like I'm nuts. I can't be the only one though...EVERY Subway I've ever been to - in whatever state - has smelled the same.
Why?? For a place that focuses on "fresh" ingredients, what is making that smell?? I don't even know how to describe it other than: ick!
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I've gone to dozens of Subways and visit the one near me one a month or so, and I'm always baffled when people mention the "Subway stench". I have no idea what they're talking about. I smell bread being baked, vegetables, the smell of recently-toasted subs, and occasionally cleaning products... is that what folks are smelling? I'd much rather smell those things than the stench of old hot oil inside McDonald's.
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re: Rilke
Haha, yes, surprisingly I've visited a bakery before. There's a huge difference between the smell of a scratch bakery and Subway, indeed -- by no means do I think that the "sandwich artists" are proofing loaves of bread in the back. I'm just saying the smell of 'finishing' bread and the other scents are totally innocuous to me.
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re: Rilke
When I worked at Dominos, we'd get shipments of dough delivered in proofing bins that we had to put near the ovens to get back up to room temperature. The stuff didn't smell like dough fresh made in the kitchen. Nor did it smell like dough that had been proofed. It just smelled "unnatural." It's like you're looking at dough and expecting a dough smell but getting something else, something not right. Anyway, that's the closest to the Subway "stench" as I've gotten and I can die a happy person never encountering it again.
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re: monkeyrotica
Huh! That actually gives a really good clue as to what people are smelling. I'm guessing that the "SubSmell" is actually the proofing/half-cooked bread dough, since there's a ton of it at any Subway. I'd be really interested to know what's in the loaves of dough that keeps them ready to cook. Ammonia?
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re: monkeyrotica
That's a similar process to what we did when I worked at Subway a decade and a half ago. The dough was frozen logs that came in cardboard boxes. When it was getting about time for more bread, we'd go back in to the walk-in, break a few logs off the frozen mass in the cardboard box, dust the rubber baking forms with cooking spray, and allow them to come to room temperature before baking them.
Don't get me wrong: I like Subway and still end up there once every month or so for a reasonably tasty and, more importantly, healthy lunch, but there is definitely a distinct "Subway Smell." I burned all of my work clothes the day I quit to eradicate the smell. No method or amount of cleaning could get that smell out -- destruction was the only option.
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This week on the Daily Show: "You don't normally see it on camera, but it smells like a loaf of bread took a s**t." - Jon Stewart on the Subway restaurant inside the studio http://on.cc.com/n6i4Oj
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re: roadfix
I completely agree with this... I've been telling my girlfriend for years that Subways smell awful. Normally, my rule of thumb is to walk out of any restaurant that smells bad... but Subway is the only exception because the food tastes fine and it is healthier than other lunch options. I am so happy to find this forum because I finally know that my nose is NOT alone. I totally agree with the BOUNCE and DETERGENT smell... I am tempted to order my next Subway with a clothes pin on my nose.
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I have joined this dodgy website - no automatic return to this thread; couldn't even direct me to this thread when I specified "smell in Subway" - so I can tell you OMG I agree. Except that I have never been tempted to step into a Subway, because healthy it ain't - healthy food does not smell like decaying bodies. Also because it might as well have a big sign up in every outlet saying: "The animals who went into this food had a really, really terrible life, and we don't care."
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This post seems to be about a year too late but... We love Subway but the smell has been horrible. It used to smell good like fresh bread. I believe it all started when they began toasting the sandwhiches, or it could be one of their newer specialty breads. Anyways, they need to fix it. We do not eat in the stores anymore!
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re: microtube
I haven't even considered eating at a Subway since I moved to Boston (where Mom & Pop pizza/sub shops are on almost every corner of many residential neighborhoods).
I don't remember them smelling bad. I do remember them tasting bad.
It must be something they've done more recently. Hey, maybe they want it to really smell like....A SUBWAY (in Boston, Park Street Station...in New York, Times Square....eeewwww)..
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SMELL is the strongest of the senses, strong in that it is the sense most likely to trigger memory, and to be remembered. This is SO true about subway--- I used to go there all the time during my Freshman year of college---there was one right next door, and being a college student, it was one of many depressing options. I usually stuck to a turkey sandwich, but on "special occasions" would treat myself to a meatball sub. I dont even want to think what was in any of that meat!
Recently I was sick and lost my appetite, which would lead me to pretty much satisfy any random craving i'd have, because at least it would indicate that I was hungry. All of a sudden, i WANTED subway, a turkey sandwich with that honey mustard. Upon entering, it was amazing, i was TRANSPORTED by that smell back to freshman year of college. It was actually a pleasant experience remembering all the fun, unhealthy times I had had. But I was shocked at how quickly it brought me back, it truly is a powerful aroma!
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Ziggylu, I am so happy to read your post cause a lot of ppl never understand what I mean on "I do not want to go cause ill have the smell stuck to my clotsh and hair all day". The only times I actually go into a subway is on the weekends when I can change my cloths or stay outside for a long time! My hsuband loves it and dont get me wrong I like their sandwiches. But geeeeeez the smell that you get from walking into the establishment is something extremely annoying.
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I used to own a Subway. I can tell you it's the smell of the dough rising in the proofer....plus the evaporated olive oil and vinegar used on the sandwiches. Although it was a money-printing machine, glad those days were over.
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There's alot I'm embarrassed about here, but anyway, on the morning on the Fourth of July, my BF and I were shopping at Walmart and from the time we walked in we were enveloped in this quasi yummy smell of pizza, you know, the yeast, tomatoey sauce, cheese. Even though we had just finished brekkie at Mitzel's (The Chain That Doesn't Suck, Usually), after our shopping we followed our noses to the Subway outlet in the WM. They had big signs advertising their new pizzas. Having heard about them on CH, I told my BF we needed to take one for the team. After all, if it was disgusting after one bite, we didn't need to finish it. We never even got that far. After being ignored by the two employees, we gained their attention by asking if we could order a cheese pizza. I kid you not, she reached into a freezer and pulled out a cellophane entombed frozen pie. We cancelled and left.
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I went into a cell phone store today and the whole room smelled exactly like Subway. I went back in a few hours later and the smell was still there, so I finally asked, and sure enough, one of the employees had a sandwich for lunch earlier. I can't believe it. One sandwich made the entire room smell for hours!
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re: don giovanni
Actually, that "baking bread" smell from Subway might actually be coming from am electronic scent box (I kid you not!) If you've ever seen an aromatherapy diffuser, these things operate in a similar manner, but on a larger scale.
I used to work at a restaurant and one day a marketing company came in to pitch these things. They are actually commonly used in many retail stores and the scent is customized for the store (aka Subway's baking bread). They can also used like aromatherapy. For example, some stores pipe in the subtle scent of peppermint to energize, other use lavender to make the shopper feel calm.
This company thought that since we were a restaurant, using one that had an enticing food smell and having it released to people walking by on the street would entice them to come in.I really wish I was making this up but I'm serious. So, everyone is right on the mark when they complain about all the artificial ingredients and preservatives at Subway - even the smell is fake!
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I thought it was just me too! Re-visiting a childhood memory of that great tourist-trap, the Shell Factory in Ft Myers Fl a few years ago was completely destroyed by THAT smell! Why oh why they put a Subway in there, I'll never understand. To me it smelled like they were heating frozen pizzas with the plastic wrap still on them. Icky, bread, plastic & cheese. I was so nauseous from THAT SMELL I had to wait outside!
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OMG, this might be one of the funniest threads ever...I was CRYING I was laughing so hard.
No one understands why I cannot stand subway...I actually have almost shunned all sandwiches because of some bad experiences at subway. I also heard a TERRIBLE story about what a kid in my high school did to the tuna salad one day in the walk-in, and I have never felt the same about subway since.
I do recall some broke/vegetarian-ish years where the (at the time) $1.99 veggie sub got me through some tough times.
I think people who care little about food and taste/quality but just are hungry and are really trying to be healthy eat there because it's a no-brainer. But I can't see actively seeking it out!
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I heard that at all Subways there is a time capsule with Jareds first burp from the first sub he ate on a commercial concealed in an airtight container within the capsule with a few drops of the meat preservative there was a reaction and the burp gas was released and has permeated the walls and perimeter of Subways all over the world for an area of 1 city block.Now come on people get real!!!!!!!!!!!
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re: Sam Fujisaka
Actually, Sam, Subway uses no cooking oil or pots, so you are down to 80%. Your 15% floor mop rinse implies that floors are really being mopped, so dissection of your math reveals that you are giving credit for roach-free hygiene at Subway. The remainging 65% -food waste - sounds like we need a will Rogers Quotation. "I never met a turd I didn't like?"
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re: Veggo
God, these replies are hilarious! especially since I thought I suffered alone. As someone else mentioned, I'm never eating there again after this thread. They somehow become popular in student unions, somehow wormed their way onto many campuses. One year of my life I ate many buffalo "chicken" wraps. There was nothing else, so it became a habit. I don't remember the smell there, but I used to cross the street to avoid the one near where I worked in Manhattan.
What I wonder is, how can they stay in business with such a gross smell emanating from the place? Is not everyone aware of it? Perhaps subway has the market cornered on heavy smokers who have lost their sense of smell? but then there is still the mouth feel of cheap meat -
There are actually subways overseas. this i could not believe. i was in amman recently, and I can understand the perception of McD's as fun for kids, but why in a city with the best schwarma and falafel sandwiches for $.30 a piece would anyone go near a subway? my conclusion was that they must be different, every time we drove past (multiple locations!). there's no way people would eat there otherwise. though I don't understand why people would eat there here, barring lack of any other food source.
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re: fara
I'll never forget the first time I went to a Subway, approximately 1989. I was traveling and the rest of the occupants of the vehicle I was in suggested Subway. I protested but was overruled. I went for a simple type of sub, like an "Italian". The saltiness and overprocessed taste of the meats astounded me. There wasn't much meat on the sub, either. And that smell... I am pretty sure it is the yeast in their "fresh baked bread". Yeah, the bread might have been baked today but how old is the dough and what is it made out of? This was in Buffalo, NY. Buffalo is a town with pizza joints every few blocks that have subs that blow these out of the water.
Eight years later, my finace (now wife) who I had recently met dragged me to another Subway, this one in Gainesville, FL. That same smell... My strategy that day was to go as simple as possible, a turkey sub. Thin, chemically, salty, and not much turkey on that bread. It would be hard to get that down without mayo on it, much to Jared's chagrin.
Fast forward to last year. There was some new spicy chicken or Buffalo Chicken sub that they were promoting in TV commercials and it actually looked enticing - and I love spicy food. I was driving down the road and there was a Subway up ahead. I actually pulled in on my own accord - I was alone, and suddenly found myself in a Subway, this one in Seminole, FL. This was a pretty new Subway and surprisingly that smell wasn't so strong. It was lunchtime and I was about the fifth person in line. I stood in the line anxiously awaiting my spicy chicken sub for about one minute when the voice inside me remarked, "Rob, do you realize you are actually standing in line at Subway???!!!". I immediately left. It is good to listen to that little voice inside you...-
re: Robert R
> Yeah, the bread might have been baked today but how old is the dough and what is it made out of?
Grab yourself a pot of tea, get comfortable, and load up their website. They have an ingredient list for their "bread", but a warning: there are far better novellas out there than that one and they don't require a degree in chemistry to understand.
> This was a pretty new Subway and surprisingly that smell wasn't so strong.
*grins* It's like a fine wine that seems only to improve with age!
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re: Sam Fujisaka
Sam, I think the idea is that it's not the actual baking that smells bad. It's the raw, *cheapy*, yeasty dough sitting around. Really, if you ate there, you wouldn't believe how bad their bread is. But I think lebelage is right, that it has at least something to do with the cheap meat, as well. Grease, waste, sterilizers and dishwater are all present in the smell at, say, McDonalds, but the subway smell is unique.
If you pay attention (and for your sanity, don't!) you can taste that smell in your sandwich. I know because I took one to go about a month ago, when some friends wanted to eat there, thinking it would be okay outside the store, but the sandwich carries the smell/flavor with it.
I need a drink.
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I also think that it's the bread. If you read the ingredient lists for their breads on their websites, they're unlike any self-respecting bakery that you'll ever come across; I wouldn't stoop to call the end result "bread". Some of them even have high MSG ingredients like autolyzed yeast extract and hydrolyzed proteins in them. Who uses those in simple baked goods unless they contain meat? Abysmal.
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Oh my goodness-Have never eatern at a subway, and this thread has me convinces not to!! But- a small part of me wants to find a local subway and pop my head just to understand!
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re: Sam Fujisaka
Oh- that is awful. In my area, I guess i can be grateful that there are not a lot of Subways near by. I think the closest one to me is abnout 12 miles away- but I do pass it on my way to work everyday, so I will try to make a point to go by!! This thread has really made me curious- a terrible compulsion , almost! Kind of like a car crash- awful, but hard to stop looking.
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There are a number of smells common to Subway. Unfortunately, the kids on my daughter's softball team are often condemned to eat Subway versus the fast food of the greasy variety when we are on the road, so I get to try a new Subway every weekend (lucky me). First, there is the overpowering yeasty odor from the bread that is constantly proofing in the place prior to baking. I think that is one of the strongest odors. The meats are allegedly not held in preservatives, so let's give them the benefit of the doubt here. They just seem to taste like supermarket sale-quality deli meats to me. I think the most notorious smells are in the dressings -- it's the familiar "hoagie" smell of onions, vinegar and garlic that seems to permeate the restaurant at times and all those who eat the stuff dressed to the max. Anyone who has ever lived near Philly will recognize it. If you eat a fully dressed hoagie, you need to take a shower afterward because the smell ends up in your hair, on your face and on your clothes. I think that is the funky "BO" aroma everyone is complaining about, but it could be a combination of the hoagie dressing, onions and the yeast causing the bread to rise.
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re: RGC1982
"The meats are allegedly not held in preservatives, so let's give them the benefit of the doubt here"
I can't give them the benefit of the doubt on that. I worked there. Each "log" of processed meat came in a thick layer of preservative slime. Now maybe they've changed since then (although I doubt it) but I will always remember the year that I lived and worked with that terrible smell.
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I don't think that its the bread. I think its the raw onions sitting around. I can't STAND the smell. And its not just Subway...its any sub shop. There is a Port of Subs (local chain) near my office...and sometimes its the only place for a quick bite. But I ALWAYS get it to go.
There is a local Pho place that shares quarters with a sub shop here in Reno (sort of a mini-food court. I wouldn't even THINK of eating there because of the smell....even though I like Pho.
And the worst is the Baskin Robbins near my house that shares quarters with a sub shop.
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A friend of mine that worked at a Subway told me that if a customer came in just prior to closing time and requested all of the items on their sandwich they were treated to the "agregados" or what was left in the catch trays from all the other subs made earlier. That little nugget was enough for me!
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I must confess, that's what I had for "dinner" tonight after working from 6am-8:30pm...thank goodness the one by my house dose NOT have the smell but I have smelled that stank in others and lost my appetite...there are two that do not have the funk-stank-one in Studio City, CA where the SAG/AFTRA Credit Union used to be and one in Glendale CA in a Ralphs parking lot on North Verdugo...these two also have very nice people working in them which is almost shocking like you're gonna be on some hidden camera show since most Subways usually have some sullen, bitter, greasy people working in them.
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As someone who worked in a Subway during my youth I think I can tell you.
I'm pretty sure it isn't the bread...
...it is all the chemical preservative liquid the meats come packed in.The smell was overwhelming and VERY hard to get off after a shift.
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ziggylu - it's marketing strategy, it's supposed to smell like a New York subway! Just kidding ~ hasn't bothered me before, but now it probably will!
I cannot stand the smell of 7-11's and other quickie marts- ugh, must they alway smell like expired hotdogs and vomit?!
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Oh my gosh, that smell!!! Don't remind me! I hate it. I think it probably does have to do with the bread. But I've never smelled anything like it from any other cheap bread. The smell gets on you too. I was in there for like 2 hr once (don't ask) and I could smell Subway on my clothes and skin for the rest of the day. It's so amazing. I used to live across the street from a really cheapy bakery and the smell was heavenly. I don't know how Subway does it.
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re: don giovanni
I avoid the whole area ( consists of five stores) surrounding Subway as the smell is so awful!! Can't imagine anyone really enjoying eating with that odor. Worse than the fishy smell of supermarket seafood counters!! I really have a problem with the odor in the commercial bread isles of markets also for some time now. Think it may be preservatives they put in the dough. Pretty well limiting my shopping to farmer markets and Artisan breads!!
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Yep; I'm with you! Some sort of funky not-in-a-good-way yeast smell.
I'm developing a similar feeling about Cosi after standing in line at the drugstore behind a particularly disgusting Cosi-uniformed employee who was drenched with sweat and smelling faintly of the vinaigrette they put on my standard order, the tuna-cheddar sandwich ...
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I think it's something in the bread. But not a good bakery smell which I normally enjoy. I totally know what you mean.
I can't eat at Subway ever since my honeymoon when we stopped for lunch there on the way to go reef fishing. Tiny town in the Florida Keys with few options. Nearly everyone on the boat got sea sick. I can't even think about their sandwiches without feeling queasy. No big loss.
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I totally agree! I can smell a Subway from far away. Is it the yeast or something in the bread that they bake? Its pretty distinctive and strong.
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re: DCLindsey
In our neighborhood there is a Togo's/Baskin-Robbins combo. My wife refuses to go in there (except under dire need for a mint choclate chip fix) because the smell of the Togo's just ruins her taste for ice cream. The Togo's smell does remind me of Subway. Not sure it's the bread, but there IS a definite smell to all those sandwich places.
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