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Anybody catch Throwdown with Mark Israel of Doughnut Plant?

A few days ago, I caught an episode (probably rerun) of Flay against the Doughnut Plant guy. Normally, I'm always on the side of the challenger, but I was really bothered by Israel's childish behavior that I actually ended up rooting for Flay. Unbelievable!

btw, I'm not a fan of his doughnuts -- I find them too heavy and greasy.

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  1. Yea, I saw it and found the guy's behavior a bit off-putting. At the same time I can only imagine how shocking it must be to think you are getting profiled and really elevating your status only to find out it was a throwdown ploy.

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    1. re: ArikaDawn

      The thing is, the episodes usually do profile the throwdownees as some of the best at what they do.

      1. re: youngho

        Yes, but I am a bit of a bleeding heart and I can't help but sympathize with them and their potential disappointment at not getting their complete profile shown. Then again, considering that typically the people who get challenged end up winning, it is still quite a coup for them. I had actually seen a show featuring the donut guy on the travel channel awhile back. He certainly has an interesting story and does not seem to be in short supply of publicity.

    2. I could see being annoyed but I was salivating at the doughnuts. We do not have anything crative like that in San Diego.

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      1. re: Ela0427

        I did see that episode some time back and met Mark when I visited the Doughnut Plant last November. I was touring the Lower East Side and stopped in for doughnuts in the morning and he was there and I met him. He is a pleasant and engaging fellow, and I asked him about his experience on the throwdown. I asked him if he knew that Bobby Flay was coming, whether the throwdown was real, and he said he did expect Bobby to visit, but not the throwdown. I asked him for a doughnut recommendation, and he recommended tres leche, which he made on the Throwdown. It was quite good. I love his doughnuts, the ingredients are quite unusual and creative and everytime I visit Zabar's on the UWS, I try another new doughtnut from the Doughnut Plant. I have enjoyed them all.

        1. re: Ela0427

          Strangely enough, you can get Doughnut Plant doughnuts in...Seoul, Korea. There are a bunch of branches there.

        2. I actually liked him for that. It was an honest reaction. I mean, these people are told that the FN is doing a special profile of them, and they set up a party and it's a celebration of what they do, and then they're trapped into this whole other setup. I liked how his friend convinced him to be a good sport.

          I didn't think I liked his doughnuts for the same reason, but then I tried the cake doughnuts and those are quite good.

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          1. re: traceybell

            I've only tried his yeast doughnuts. Guess I should try a cake doughnut as well, perhaps the infamous tres leches.

            I don't like the premise of the throwdown shown -- taking the very thing that people have a lot of pride in and making them go head-to-head with Flay who has a team of two chefs by his side. However, I thought that Mark Israel could have handled that situation with a lot more grace. These throwdowns are also great publicity for them -- whether they win or lose. Believe me, I am no fan of Flay. I've found him egotistical ever since I saw the first Iron Chef (Japanese version) battle with Morimoto. But I felt a lot of sympathy for him when I saw the doughnut episode.

            1. re: Miss Needle

              Yeah, but Flay always loses! It's really a total sendup of the person- Flay shows you a few pointers of what it takes to make amazing whatever, then shows someone in the field who does it their own way and impossibly good! I think that's the strength of the show is that these places always win. And he picks the best of the best.

              I think he should go into some of the crappier restaurants for throwdowns and maybe teach a couple of chefs a thing or two. Burrito throwdown, Chop Suey Throwdown (at a butlletproof glass chinese place, Diner throwdown.

              1. re: Miss Needle

                it was flay standing on top of the cutting board, wasn't it? yeah, that guy (bless his heart and his medicore restaurants and his numerous tv contracts) is terrible and the show itself, interesting, but it couldn't possibly ever be neutral judges, just because of the way he always does his challenge (traditional style versus his southwest fusion thing) so its always obvious which entry is his.

                re: mark isreal, ya he's nuts, but really, that tres leches kicks ass. someone bought over two dozen donuts once for a party at my house and we sampled a bunch of them (I like how he has filled yeast donuts which still have holes in them) but yeah, tres leches all the way.

                1. re: Miss Needle

                  Okay. As I was the original poster of this thread and somebody brought this thread back alive, I should mention that I have indeed tried his cake donuts and they are indeed marvelous.

                  But I still think Israel is a childish a**. I just try not to think about it as I bite into these heavenly morsels of deliciousness.

              2. I saw that episode and I concur... I usually don't root for Bobby, but this guy really acted childish and like he needed to be talked into something - it seemed like the guests at his Doughnut Disco party really had fun though!

                1. i gave some weight to the fact that there was probably some editing after the episode was shot. do you think that every other chef other than mark israel is not taken by surprise when bobby presents the challenge? every other episode seems to have the chefs completely on board within a split second and i don't think such reaction is w/o video editing... so then, of course, the question is why the producers chose to play up mark israel's reaction vs. making it less of a deal... actually, i think they had to include it so that it would explain why mark then didn't make fresh donuts for the throwdown but instead used the ones he brought for the party...

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                  1. re: nyc_cravings

                    Interestingly, after watching last week's episode with Joanne Chang of Flour Bakery in Boston, I was struck by how gracefully she accepted the challenge, and looking back, it does seem as though the female throwees (if there is such a word) have all taken up Bobby Flay with apparently little hesitation but instead good cheer and spirits. If I recall correctly, it's the guys, like the ice cream guy (who seemed genuinely upset at having gotten "Punk'd" in his own words), the buffalo wings guy (who obviously had second and third thoughts about accepting the challenge), and the diner guy, who really don't come "on board within a split second," so Mark Israel certainly isn't alone. Even Tony Luke, who was one of the best guys, called for backup supplies. Many of the chefs DO seem to be taken by surprise. Again, although the throwees don't end up being the sole focus of a half-hour special all about them, I think that they really do receive good publicity and recognition for being good at what they do. If a chef, after talking about how great he is, is challenged on his home turf in front of his fans making his signature dish to be evaluated by judges from his home town...I mean, come on!

                    Young-Ho

                  2. Bobby's toned his ego down quite a bit since his FoodNation and Hot Off The Grill days when he would get hammered on the Food Network boards. He used to cut people off and discount what other people said, but he's really mellowed out. A show like Throwdown would never have worked 5 years ago, people would be screaming to get him thrown off the air.

                    That being said I like the concept of Throwdown, it's a nice twist to the usual "establishment profile" almost all of the other shows do, and the show does devote at least 1/3 of the airtime to profile the person being challenged. Mark Israel's reaction was the "worst" reaction by anyone on the show, but you get a lot of the opposite too. The Meatloaf Throwdown with the Collucci Brothers is one of the best 30 minutes of TV the Food Network has ever put on. The Collucci's understood that it's not about Collucci vs Flay with their reputation at stake, it was about the food and making sure that all of their family and friends that came over had great food and a great time. The competition is secondary to what the Throwdown is really about, some people get it, some people don't.

                    1. My name is actually "Mark Israel" so I always heard about this guy who made huge doughnuts. I always wanted to meet him. Maybe I'd get some free doughnuts. After seeing that throwdown....now, not so much. That show is such a golden marketing opportunities for a food business. He didn't seem too appreciative. But, there is always the possibility that the footage they used was put together to make him appear "childish."

                      1. OMG! I just saw this episode. It was so weird how threatened Mark Isreal was. Talk about uncomfortable for everyone... the Doughnut Plant guy always looked uncomfortable EVEN WHEN HE WON! What a strange show.

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                        1. re: laninabonita

                          Oh, but he won because his "honesty" really came through in the taste of the donuts! Ohhhhhh kaaaay....

                        2. this israel guy acted like a huge jerk.

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                          1. re: beelzebozo

                            I agree.

                            I found myself rooting for Bobby Flay for the first time ever. Israel was completely unlikeable.

                          2. I saw this episode yesterday and felt that Bobby was being very gracious and Mark Israel was not.

                            The show did a nice profile of how he began his business in his basement and how the business grew from there.

                            Either Mark Isreal is really an introvert or he was definately threatened by Bobby.

                            I am a huge Flay fan, especially after seeing his chefography show on Food Network.

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                            1. re: mcel215

                              "I am a huge Flay fan, especially after seeing his chefography show on Food Network."

                              me too! i don't see why people get so down on him. he seems like a pretty cool dude.

                              1. re: beelzebozo

                                Flay has definitely softened over the years. I think in the beginning of his TV career, he was super competitive and felt like he needed to prove himself which made him obnoxious. I've seen him dismiss people rudely on his shows to make himself seem superior. Many years ago, my sister googled "Bobby Flay" and "a**hole" to see what she would get. She said there was a ton of information. But Flay has been a lot better in recent shows.

                                And I think all the chefography shows highlight the best things about the chefs. It makes all the chefs look good, even Sandra Lee (and I'm not being snarky when I say that). I honestly felt sorry for her because of her screwed up life.

                              2. re: mcel215

                                I thought Mark Israel was completely full of attitude. Far more than the owner of a doughnut store should have. If anything, being in the retail food business ought to make you more humble, not less. Because of the way he came off on camera I have no interest in trying his products.

                                I didn't like Bobby Flay much in his Boy Meets Grill days, but he's always so gracious to the other competitors on Throwdown, especially when he loses, that I've become a convert.

                              3. I have no problem with Mark Israel. Try to imagine, if you will, that he doesn't have the benefit of reading these threads. He doesn't know this should increase his business, he doesn't even know who Bobby Flay isl

                                He makes doughnuts. He's offered a show by a network that has already aired a piece on him. Pretty cool. He gets three hours of sleep a night. He's doing the show, feeding and entertaining his friends. Along comes some guy, basically letting him know the whole thing's a sham. The guy challenges him to a contest.

                                What's this guy capable of? What resources does he have? He's obviously,been getting ready to challenge him. All this in a few seconds, for a guy who's not ready for any of it and has probably been sleep deprived for years. So much for the offered show -- he's been set-up. By a network.

                                He should be happy about this? It's easy for us to sit back and think he should be greatful (sp?)? that other folks have taken this in better stride and so should he.

                                Oh well. I'd be amazed if he cares - or even knows - what we think, and even if he does att least he has his doughnuts.

                                1. <he doesn't even know who Bobby Flay isl>

                                  Oops. I may have confused him with the ice cream guy...

                                  1. Had his doughnuts before seeing him on the show and was very impressed. After throwdown, I have not eaten them again (yet)

                                    1. I thought he came across as imature and insecure.

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                                      1. re: cook52

                                        Donut man had every right to be pissed off. Notice at the end when they always get the subject to say. ' Are You Ready For a Showdown?'
                                        The donut man did not participate.

                                        I like the show but it's really uncomfortable when Flay wins.

                                        1. Y'know.... This when the show just started before ppl were not aware that the food network was trying to embarass them. I'm sure when the food network makes offers, people are more aware of the possible implications.

                                          1. OMG. Just checked Doughnut Plant's website. I guess a lot of people wrote some hate mail because under the News section is Israel's defense of this episode, which basically stated that the show edited out the conditions he had to participate in. He chose his words a lot more wisely than he did on the show (if he actually does write his own stuff). I'm sure some would disagree, but to me it doesn't vindicate him but make him look pettier than how FN portrayed him. He doesn't admit to his shortcomings but just makes excuses for his behavior. The only positive thing he said was that he appreciated the nice words Flay had for him.

                                            http://www.doughnutplant.com/

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                                            1. re: Miss Needle

                                              He was not forced to participate: he could have declined, and the footage would have never seen the light of day. If he felt he couldn't compete fairly without the right fryer, mixer, whatever, he should have just said, "Thanks for the opportunity, but I'm at a disadvantage." Obviously, he decided that airtime on the FN was worth being at a disadvantage. And he overcame it by serving pre-made donuts.

                                              1. re: brendastarlet

                                                If he felt he couldn't compete fairly without the right fryer, mixer, whatever, he should have just said, "Thanks for the opportunity, but I'm at a disadvantage."
                                                ~~~~~~~~~
                                                Exactly. A simple "thanks but no thanks" would have worked.

                                                And this website is a perfect example of uselessness with all the Flash. Just get me to the information without all the rolling doughnuts, please!

                                                1. re: LindaWhit

                                                  Sure. You think your restaurant is getting profiled in a special show on the food network. You've prepared hundreds of doughnuts for a special party to showcase your product as part of the presentation. Instead, you have to be compete at a disadvantage against a professional chef who's been researching your best dish for weeks with the help of the huge Food Network kitchen and staff. Or walk away with nothing. I wonder if he signed any kind of contract with the Food Network and what kind of weasel words it had in it.

                                                  1. re: alanchar

                                                    You know... with all the Israel bashing, thats all I could think too. Throwdown as a concept is sorta sleazy.

                                                    1. re: alanchar

                                                      If you were a potential guest on the Food Network, what would you think would be better publicity?
                                                      1. Your own 1/2 hour profile broadcast at 11:00am on a weekday that would attract no viewers at all?
                                                      2. A guest on the Bobby Flay show, broadcast in prime time with a huge audience, guaranteeing your business priceless publicity?

                                                      I thought so!

                                                      1. re: chipman

                                                        I think I'd prefer the 11:00, just to avoid dealing with a guy who comes across as an arrogant aging frat boy

                                                          1. re: Withnail42

                                                            Just an opinion... that's how Flay has come across to me for years. Maybe it's all the polos and smirks..

                                                            1. re: rozz01

                                                              Sorry I was trying to reply to chipman's ' I thought so comment.'

                                                              Rozz01 I'm in agreement with you. I'd be really annoyed thinking I'm getting my own show or special on FN only to be ambushed and finding out I'm nothing more then a stooge for (yet another) smirking Bobby Flay show.

                                                  2. re: Miss Needle

                                                    Bobby went out of his way to be extremely nice to Israel.

                                                    Mark Israel was not in any way reciprical.

                                                    Flay has class, and Israel is trying to cover his bad behavior.

                                                    1. re: mcel215

                                                      The episode just aired again today. As I had not seen it before (doughnuts and drag queens generally don't make for good t.v. IMHO) I searched to see if there were any existing comments. Based on the doughnut dude's attitude, I knwe there would be. I think Flay should have pulled the plug on the epsiode as soon as the guy started acting like a 6 year old that got called a name on the playground. Now I know why I changed the channel in the past....................

                                                    2. re: Miss Needle

                                                      LOL, there is now NO mention of the episode in the television section of his website!

                                                    3. I thought the guy was a jerk. I would never buy his product. I was also turned off by the fact that he didn't make them fresh for the show - makes me suspicious. I have a feeling he isn't the brains behind it. As for feeling sorry for the contestants because they think they are getting their own show - they have to be mindless idiots not to know those shows don't exist - of course it's a throwdown. This could have been a great marketing tool for him - but he totally blew it with his poor behavior.

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                                                      1. re: HawaiiGal

                                                        FWIW, I thought he was a jerk but I still can't wait to eat his doughnuts the next time I'm in NYC. The reason he didn't make them fresh for the Throwdown was that he didn't have his equipment on hand and didn't want to put out a substandard product, I don't see the problem with that.

                                                      2. Uh, yeah...I saw part of this one back in the day and remember turning it because I thought Mark Israel was such a jerk. It was just on again and because there was nothing on this time, I watched it. I have always felt sorry for the people who thought they were getting profiled and then find out they're just on a Throwdown but this guy was such a poor sport about it you can believe I'll never touch one of his doughnuts as he doesn't deserve my hard earned money. You couldn't even pay me to try one..I don't make it a habit of supporting people that unprofessional. I was so put off by him, I did a search to see who else had something to say and found this so I had to put my 2 cents in.

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                                                        1. re: Hollz

                                                          Here we are two years later and this post is going to be bumped again! I cannot believe I had not seen this show before as I am a fan of Throwdown. Admittedly, I did not start watching Throwdown regularly until a little over year ago, so must have missed the re-runs...that is until tonight!
                                                          I was so infuriated with the childish behavior of this person (I can't call him a man), that I had to do a Search to see what had been written about it...I knew there would be something. I am happy to see so many have replied and feel the same way as I. I, too, usually pull for the "challangee", although I am a huge Bobby fan, I do not like to see him win over a person who takes pride in their specialty dish. And, I agree too, with your point that these people are disappointed after finding out that their FN special is all a farce...I think they deserve to win. But, not this jerk Israel. I have never seen an adult act so childish and in front of a camera on top of that. Unbelievable!!! There was one other "challangee" that I found immature, therefore I pulled for Bobby...he was the Buffalo Wing guy. He was pretty bad, no where near the immaturity of Israel, but he did show his butt in the beginning.
                                                          Anyway, even if this may be my loss, I cannot give any business to Mark Israel...I am making a trip to New York in December and one of my stops will NOT be The Doughnut Plant!!!!!

                                                          1. re: Sweetie1108

                                                            Although Israel may have acted like a jerk on Throwdown, he does make good doughnuts.

                                                            If we were to boycott all the immature jerks out there who cook and own restaurants then our list of places to go would be very short.

                                                            1. re: Pizza Lover

                                                              he makes fantastic donuts. However, he has an outpost in Japan that is disgusting.

                                                            2. re: Sweetie1108

                                                              <I am making a trip to New York in December and one of my stops will NOT be The Doughnut Plant!!!!!>

                                                              Your loss. They're really good. I could see "boycotting" a place that abused its workers or had otherwise substandard practices, but this thread is the first I've seen where people threaten to avoid a restaurant because they dislike the personality of the guy making the food. So weird.

                                                          2. Haven't seen this episode, but I have seen and tasted his doughnuts. They are in fact excellent. But for the most part the are more or less all the same the difference is in the glaze. Thay's where the different flavors come into things. There are some notable exceptions that are also quite tasty.

                                                            I do feel sympathy for the early 'victims' of Throwdown. Thinking you were going to be getting your own special or show must be very exciting. It thn must be a huge let down to find that suddenly you are merely a participant in a Bobby Flay promotion.

                                                            Like I said I have not seen the show nor have I met Mr. Israel. I can only imagine that the editing must have played some part. It did give FN a chance to make Flay look like the better man.

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                                                            1. re: Withnail42

                                                              Meant to add:

                                                              That BF is certainly no stranger to charges of being arrogant and or cocky. This show was supposedly put on to 'soften' his image.

                                                              1. re: Withnail42

                                                                "you are merely a participant in a Bobby Flay promotion"

                                                                I've seen old and new Throwdowns (but not this one yet). The "victims" are getting massive free advertising. Israel sounds like a real dick. Having said that, I think his donuts are fantastic. His place is now a regular stop for me and my brothers when I visit NYC (along with Economy Candy, etc.)

                                                                1. re: Bob W

                                                                  First I can't say enough good things about Economy Candy. I usually stop there before or after a visit to The Doughnut Plant. We must have passed each other on the sidewalk at some point.

                                                                  As far as the Bobby Flay promotion. when the first series was done no one knew what the show was about or the publicity involved. It was a new concept that had never been aired. It was with out any sort of meaning. You thing your getting a big break then you find put it was really all about Bobby Flay. I can't blame someone for getting a little peeved. Now people know the deal and know what it's about and are happy to play along.

                                                                  Re Economy Candy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NA0oS...

                                                                  1. re: Withnail42

                                                                    I finally got this episode on my DVR. Can't wait to watch it tonight!

                                                                    1. re: Bob W

                                                                      Well, I did watch last night and this was certainly unlike any of the other Throwdowns I've seen. Mark Israel is just not someone I'd want to spend any time with. Lucky for him, the people at his store have always been very nice and helpful, and I'll still buy his wonderful donuts. But he clearly has major issues.

                                                                      Not even gracious enough to compliment the donut Bobby F offered him; he had to insult it.

                                                              2. I've seen this episode before but caught the re-run last night. Clearly, I am an avid follower/fan of Bobby Flay; however, I typically root for the challengees on Throwdown. Mark Israel is definitely an exception. I've never seen such a poor sport. I'm from upstate NY and, although I travel to NYC fairly often, I'd never heard of The Doughnut Plant until I saw this episode of Throwdown. Had Mark acted like a gracious competitor, I certainly would have tried his donuts the next time I traveled to the city. Instead, since I was completely put off by his behavior, he will NOT receive a penny from me. He had the opportunity for a lot of positive publicity but completely blew it.

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                                                                1. re: FlayFan

                                                                  You are the one that is losing out. Doughnut Plant doughnuts are awesome.

                                                                2. ok, i'm obviously late to the party, but I as well just saw this episode sunday night. I could not believe how childish mark israel acted... It made me root for bobby flay, even though I always root against him (like so many others). I always want to believe that the original recipes should win, but not in this case...

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                                                                  1. re: kubasd

                                                                    Ha Ha. Funny that the rerun sparked this convo again. I agree guy acted like a jerk. BUT I never go to NYC without eating these donuts right at the plant. They are fantastic! They do not taste the same even at Dean & Deluca. You have to eat them there. My friend just had someone fed-ex a batch -- hello stale! So this to me is a MUST-DO destination only in NYC.

                                                                    I forced my friends to go when we were there in Feb this year. Snowing like crazy, but we trekked over and they are all planning return visits to NYC for the donuts. I personally don't love the Tres Leches. I like the Yeast Donuts best -- Ginger one was great or the Blackout cake-style. Creme Brulee is extravagant donut treat too.... so jerk or no jerk I will be having my donuts.....

                                                                    1. re: myst

                                                                      I second the rec to eat these on the spot (or within a few minutes). On a recent visit to NYC I saved one for my ride home on the train. Less than two hours after I bought that donut, it was not nearly as good as the ones I ate right at the store.

                                                                      I'm not someone who craves donuts but dear lord these things are good.

                                                                      1. re: Bob W

                                                                        One mark of a real donut or bagel!

                                                                  2. C'mon people, get a grip. Israel acted more like people should react when they find out they've been snookered; that they aren't getting a feature but might instead just be a sidekick to Bobby Flay. We have the *hindsight* to know what's going on.

                                                                    Israel says he gets three hours of sleep a night. He's supposed to - because we have an assumption - react like *we* expect, and on the spot. I don't know what kind of guy he is, but we won't find out from what FN chose to air.

                                                                    I do know that I at least want to try some of his doughnuts.

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                                                                    1. Agreed. His response and vehavior on that show was pretty weak. He looked uncomfotable with himself and his performance on the show. THe part I detest most about the show (and all foodshows, chefs in general) is when he made a doughnut with gloved hands (good job), then dunked it on a peach glaze, and hen ate the doughnut right there with goved hands and all - disgusting. Imagine if your food is cooked this way.

                                                                      What is with chefs and cooks who think their saliva is acceptable in other peoples food. Double dippping, licking the spoon and reusing it on the same dish is revolting, disgusting. How about using a seprate spoon for tasting, and DON"T reuse the same spoon either? And to show it on television??? Cmon, to all chefs, cooks, and just folks cooking at home, please don;t douple dip - hygiene starts at home. Sorry for the digression.

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                                                                      1. re: foodieguydenver

                                                                        I completely agree with you on the double dipping, etc. It was all over the place on the original IC. Where I trained we always tasted with a monkey dish.

                                                                        The worst I've seen on FN was within a commercial with snippets of the ""talent". In one of them Paula Dean *sticks her tounge into a chocolate fountain* with her idiotic "Oh, I'm so naughty" expression. I'm not sure which is worse - her doing it or the FN choosing to air it.

                                                                      2. For those of you burning Israel at the doughnut stake, consider that his behavior might not be fueled by him simply being a jerk.

                                                                        Sleep deprivation is horrible. I suffer from it as well. It changes one's personality and not for the better. Thankfully I can nap during the day so I'm still "me."

                                                                        Maybe what Israel needs isn't people jumping up and down on him, but a week of undisturbed rest and then the rest of his nights getting 6-8 hrs of sleep.

                                                                        OTOH, maybe he is just a jerk. Who knows?

                                                                        (I also wondered if Mr. Israel has Aspeger's Syndrome, a form of autism.)

                                                                        But whichever is true, don't forbid yourself from sampling something wonderful just because the provider is a jerk. That's juvenile. Buying his doughnuts doesn't mean you approve of his behavior, it just means you approve of his doughnuts.

                                                                        So go eat one already.

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                                                                        1. re: KenWritez

                                                                          I think you're over thinking things. Sometimes a jerk is, well, a jerk.

                                                                          1. re: chipman

                                                                            Meh. I'm a writer. Overthinking things is what I do for a living. What makes me so popular at parties. <rolls eyes>

                                                                        2. Hi Everyone,

                                                                          Can you please help me settle a bet with a friend? We've been trying to find the clip of this episode online to find conclusive evidence, but can't find it anywhere.

                                                                          Who was the person who put jelly in the other person's hand? Was it Bobby Flay who initiated the Jelly handshake or was it the other way around?

                                                                          Thanks!

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                                                                          1. re: wdot

                                                                            no, the big doughnut baby isreal was the perpetrator of the jelly-smush.

                                                                          2. I saw the rerun a few weeks ago. I thought Mark Isreal seemed almost overly neurotic and perhaps like he has a form of general anxiety disorder. He also was REALLY rude and immature when he tasted Bobby Flay's donut "It's doughy," he barked. Bobby looked like he was taken aback. I was really embarrassed for him.

                                                                            1. Imagine how demeaning this is for this guy. Picture this, Old Delilah makes her beautiful Philly Mac and Cheese.; She is excited to find out that she will have her own show. Little does she know that she will be taken over by Bobby and his crew. He challenges her to a throwdown and she goes from having her own show to being a helpless women who could be possibly embaressed at her recipe or reject the challenge and not be featured at all. Poor old grandma watches Flay tear her to pieces with his Lobster Truffle Mac with his 5 crew members as this women is embaressed on public television

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                                                                              1. re: PJCooks

                                                                                Aww. Poor Delilah. She only parlayed it into another spot on Throwdown where she challenged Flay (and lost again) as well as a spot on The Best Thing I Ever Ate. Seems she's taking to the embarrassment just fine.

                                                                                1. re: PJCooks

                                                                                  I think the majority f these people know ahead of time what they are in for. I thought this guy was kinda rude and arrogant.

                                                                                  1. re: dolly52

                                                                                    Don't forget he was one of the first people to be on this show. He like most people did not know the formula. His bad mood is understandable. You go from thinking you got you own special or show on the Food Network to finding that your really playing the stooge in a Bobby Flay series.

                                                                                  2. re: PJCooks

                                                                                    And it is *lobster* *truffle* mac & cheese! Sure, it is technically mac & cheese but with those two things it is a substantially different item. How do you compete against that unless you're willing to charge a lot more for mac & cheese –usually a lower priced item.
                                                                                    jackbauer:
                                                                                    Unlike Delilah (and most of us) you can see the future. It is easy to lambaste others when you can see what they can't.