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Pan Jun 23, 2007 07:39 PM

After playing piccolo on a Brooklyn Youth Chorus concert at Long Island University tonight, I crossed Flatbush and had dinner at Junior’s, for the first time in many years. Afterwards, I could only wonder why I had waited so long. For a cup of comforting split pea soup, a delicious tongue sandwich, and two iced teas, plus a side of gracious service and an atmosphere of celebration that left a smile on my face, I paid $21 including tip. It’s no wonder that this establishment is a landmark and still a favorite with people out for a good time.

  1. Peter Cuce Jun 29, 2007 05:54 AM

    I'm glad you had a good meal, but everything I've tried has been pretty lame.

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      Pan Jul 11, 2009 03:19 AM

      This seems to be the last thread with "Junior's" in the title. I was at a party last night where someone had brought a pineapple cheesecake from Junior's. I can't figure out why some people dislike Junior's cheesecake; this was delicious. By the way, for whatever reason, I haven't been back to Junior's since my last post in this thread, so it's not like I'm a regular there.

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        Tay Jul 11, 2009 06:35 AM

        Pan,
        " I can't figure out why some people dislike Junior's cheesecake; this was delicious. "

        Sorry but It's got to be some of the worst cheesecake I've ever eaten,
        Gummy texture, cloyingly sweet and worst of all, loaded with salt.
        Dreadful

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          demigodh Jul 11, 2009 01:00 PM

          and no graham cracker crust!

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            Tay Jul 11, 2009 01:38 PM

            Be grateful for small favors. I shudder to imagine what theirs would taste like.

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              eade Dec 13, 2009 07:43 AM

              NYC traditional cheese cake does not have graham cracker crust.

              S&S cheesecake does not have graham cracker crust either.

              Graham cracker crust may be a variation you like, but it is not old-style NYC.

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              Pan Jul 12, 2009 03:30 AM

              True about the lack of graham cracker crust. As for taste, to each his own. But at least that particular cheesecake was less salty than the regular cheesecake at Two Little Red Hens, which is otherwise a superior product. I didn't notice any saltiness at all, in fact.

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              addictedtolunch Jul 11, 2009 02:39 PM

              On a desert (or dessert) island Junior's would suffice, but this is New York. There are many better, and with fewer preservatives. Junior's is cooked to have a longer shelf life than Tut's mummy.

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                Tay Jul 12, 2009 06:42 AM

                addictedtolunch

                "Junior's is cooked to have a longer shelf life than Tut's mummy"

                Ahhhh...Maybe THAT explains all the salt!

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                  Pan Jul 12, 2009 02:04 PM

                  I'm quite sensitive to salt and would have noticed any significant saltiness. Maybe their regular cheesecake is saltier than the pineapple cheesecake, or maybe the cheesecake I had the other day was less salty on a fluke, but regardless, it was not salty.

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                    Tay Jul 12, 2009 09:01 PM

                    Pan
                    They add salt as a cheap way to enhance the sweetness, much the same way bargain brands of ice cream do.
                    It's the-old-sprinkle-salt-on- a-less-than-fully-ripe-melon, trick.
                    If you saw the sodium content of one of their cheesecakes,I think you would be shocked..
                    Amount per Serving
                    Calories 1153 74% of calories from fat
                    % Daily Value*
                    Total Fat 94.0g 145%
                    Saturated Fat 59.0g 294%
                    Trans Fat 0.0g
                    Cholesterol 348mg 116%
                    Sodium 720mg 30%
                    Total Carbohydrate 61.0g 20%
                    Dietary Fiber 0.0g 1%
                    Sugars 46.0g
                    Protein 19.0g 38%

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                      bob96 Jul 12, 2009 10:46 PM

                      I'm wondering if folks who eat cheescake, of any kind, worry all that much about any nutritional numbers. Never have noticed any pronounced saltiness in their cheesecake, or anyone else's, but tastes vary. And quality can change.

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                        Pan Jul 13, 2009 02:10 AM

                        Funny. Well, neither my girlfriend nor I noticed any appreciable saltiness. If I noticed any, it tasted like part of the cheese and didn't register as salt. And maybe that's the key: The saltiness of Two Little Red Hens' cheesecake is in the crust, so it's clearly noticeable to me, but although I'd like somewhat less salt in it, I do consider it a very good cheesecake and superior to Junior's. My girlfriend did consider the cheesecake a bit sweeter than she preferred, though, and attributed that to the pineapple, which she felt was unnecessary. She also agreed with demigodh that she felt the lack of a graham cracker crust, when I mentioned it to her because of this thread.

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                          kukubura Jul 13, 2009 04:21 AM

                          I think the point is that the salt actually makes the cheesecake sweeter, not saltier. That's the trick.

                          I remember loving it, but it could also have been the old Brooklyn ambiance, the fact that my parents ate there when they were first married, etc...

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                            Tay Jul 13, 2009 05:01 PM

                            Pan
                            If you're ever in the area try a cream cheese cheesecake from Angelo's Bakery on 86th St and 25th Ave.Specify cream cheese as opposed to Iralian (ricotta based). Very fresh. See if it does the trick. :-)

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                              Pan Jul 14, 2009 04:39 PM

                              That's in Bay Ridge, isn't it? I don't get there much, but I'll try to keep it in the back of my mind, and thank you.

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                                Tay Jul 15, 2009 04:28 AM

                                Pan
                                "That's in Bay Ridge, isn't it?"

                                Actually, it's in Bensonhurst/Bath Beach. Right under the 86th St "El" (Elevated train) Perhaps some day you'll have occasion to be in the area.
                                They also have the best french cream filled 'lobster tails' I've ever had

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                                  squid kun Jul 16, 2009 01:42 AM

                                  .

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                                  Angelo's Royal Pastry Shop
                                  2482 86th St, Brooklyn, NY 11214

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                                    Tay Jul 16, 2009 03:51 AM

                                    Thank you, squid. I was too lazy to look up the contact info. :-)

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                  Fleur Jul 13, 2009 06:11 PM

                  JUNIOR'S cheesecake is still delicious. The cheesecake you get at the bakery and restaurant in Brooklyn is not the same product that is shipped all over the world

                  JUNIOR'S uses only Philadelphia Brand cream cheese, which has a high sodium count

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                    Tay Jul 13, 2009 08:37 PM

                    Fleur
                    "JUNIOR'S uses only Philadelphia Brand cream cheese, which has a high sodium count"

                    At a an incredibly high 720mg of sodium pr serving they should consider an alternative brand.

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                      Fleur Jul 14, 2009 11:08 PM

                      JUNIOR'S has been successfully selling tens of thousands of their famous cheesecake for 50+ years.

                      Where do you get the chutzpah to tell them to change their recipe?

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                        Pan Jul 15, 2009 12:54 AM

                        Popularity is no proof of quality. McDonalds has served countless billions of customers.

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                          kukubura Jul 15, 2009 04:28 AM

                          Is everyone who's down on Junior's cheesecake DEFINITELY talking about the actual restaurant and not the supermarket packaged version?

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                            Tay Jul 15, 2009 04:55 AM

                            kukubura
                            "Is everyone who's down on Junior's cheesecake DEFINITELY talking about the actual restaurant and not the supermarket packaged version?"

                            I don't know about anyone else but I've never had anything that didn't suffer considerably from the prepackaging process so I've never even considered trying the prepackaged version.
                            Just the thought makes me shudder! ;-(

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                              kukubura Jul 15, 2009 07:02 AM

                              Totally. I also hate it when a restaurant that has some credibility (for whatever reason) lends its name to a mass marketed product. It does take away from the original somewhat. There's a restaurant in New Orleans that cooks up homemade food but they also have a stand in the airport that sells shrink-wrapped preservative filled, disgusting mockeries of their food. I know revenue is important but there has to be a limit.

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                                Tay Jul 15, 2009 07:08 AM

                                kukubera
                                "I know revenue is important but there has to be a limit."

                                When it comes to greed there are no limits....
                                Ask Gordon Gekko...(Or Bernie Madoff..) :-).

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                            Tay Jul 15, 2009 04:59 AM

                            Pan
                            "Popularity is no proof of quality. McDonalds has served countless billions of customers"
                            Very well said.
                            Even the FF chains have elim. trans fat in their oils and have reduced or elim salting their fr. fries.

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                            Tay Jul 15, 2009 04:46 AM

                            Fleur
                            "Where do you get the chutzpah to tell them to change their recipe?"

                            Now, now. Don't get yourself in a tizzy. You may see it as chutzpah. I see it as possessing a remarkable grasp of the obvious.
                            I'm not telling them anything they don't /shouldn't already know. Lame reasoning like saying they use a high sodium cream cheese so it's ok, is nonsensical.
                            If the giant fast food chains can, and have, made minor health directed changes, so can Junior's. That aside, Junior's cheesecake is unpleasantly gummy and cloyingly sweet..MUCH better cheesecake can be found at your neighborhood bakeries.
                            Bottom line: It's just not good

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                        nas9211 Jul 15, 2009 07:28 AM

                        After reading so many foodies rip on Juniors (often on chowhound), I had always assumed that Juniors cheesecake really was some touristy mass marketed cheesecake not worth the hype (as is the case with a lot of other Ny establishments--like carmines or carnegie). But then someone bought me one as a gift. I has already sort of snuffed it in my mind, and was expecting not to like it, but I was very pleasantly surprised. It was a classic new york cheese cake, good texture, definitely sweet, but not cloyingly so (though I admit I missed the graham cracker crust). Maybe it was the chocolate marble that I had; the chocolate added a slight bitter note that was nice.

                        Also Tay--adding salt to desserts is really common and necessary method to contrast the sweetness--it's not cheap at all (most good dessert recipes will call for at least a pinch of salt). And are we really worrying about switching to a low sodium cream cheese for health purposes? Is low fat next? It's cheesecake! Not exactly meant to be diet food. And I appreciate the use of Philadelphia over generic key foods brand.

                        Basically, I agree with Pan, I think people should revisit the place with an open mind.

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                          Tay Jul 15, 2009 01:44 PM

                          nas9211
                          "Also Tay--adding salt to desserts is really common and necessary method to contrast the sweetness--it's not cheap at all (most good dessert recipes will call for at least a pinch of salt). And are we really worrying about switching to a low sodium cream cheese for health purposes? Is low fat next? It's cheesecake! Not exactly meant to be diet food. And I appreciate the use of Philadelphia over generic key foods brand.

                          Of course most, if not all recipies call for some salt. We'e not talking about a 'pinch of salt' here. One slice provides over 1/3 of the daily rec allowance.
                          As for low fat cream cheese being used to create a cheesecake, if it tastes great OF COURSE I'd choose that over the artery clogging, 1000+ calories-75%-from fat, version..
                          I don't know if they actually use Philly or not. Excessive salt is excessive salt no matter what the brand. BTW: If it would ease your generic concerns, Philly offers both low fat and fat free cream cheese
                          That having been said, I also agree that people should make up their own minds.
                          They just shouldn't be 'seduced' by the name. Maybe it's Hail Mary choice for 'hounds in rural locations but for those living in /around NYC there is just no reason to buy Junior's cheesecake.

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                            richg35 Jul 15, 2009 02:04 PM

                            Is a discussion over the healthiness of eating cheesecake even necessary?

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                              Tay Jul 15, 2009 02:42 PM

                              richg35
                              "Is a discussion over the healthiness of eating cheesecake even necessary?"

                              First things first: Maybe we should discuss usage of the word, 'healthiness' :-)
                              J/K.
                              Seriously, why not? Why do people necessarily assume all cheesecakes have to be deadly food choices?
                              I mention Junior's as a bad choice b/c it's loaded with salt,& fat and NOT good.
                              http://www.ehow.com/how_5014186_make-...

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                                addictedtolunch Jul 16, 2009 05:00 AM

                                I thought this was about purity of taste, not "health". Something can be fattening but still have a "clean" taste, and leave you with a little less guilt in that respect. Junior's cake (whether at the restaurant or shipped) just has a chemical "feel" to it. Try a piece side by side with a piece from Eileen's and S&S and you'll feel and taste the difference.

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                                  Pan Jul 16, 2009 05:40 PM

                                  Oh, S&S is just the best! But I haven't had the chance to have it in years.

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                                    LNG212 Jul 17, 2009 05:27 AM

                                    You know you don't have to get to the Bronx anymore, right? They carry them at Zabar's. Lucky us!! Those are my favorite.

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                                      Pan Jul 19, 2009 02:10 AM

                                      They're still fresh when they get to Zabar's? Do they deliver them every day?

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                                        LNG212 Jul 19, 2009 07:46 AM

                                        I don't know if they deliver them every day. We've purchased from Zabar's and they are good. Or at least I didn't detect a difference. But then I never bought from the Bronx and from Zabar's together to directly compare.

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                                          Pan Jul 20, 2009 12:44 AM

                                          Well, I plan on giving them a try soon. Thanks.

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                                  Bob Martinez Jul 16, 2009 07:55 AM

                                  You mean cheese cake isn't healthy? The mind reels.

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