Beijing: 3 days, 3 ducks (long)
Hello. I'm a visiting NYC chowhound, and my hosts and I just did a quick tour of ducks in Beijing. Now, pizzas and briskets are more my area of expertise - ducks are kind of out of my field - but my hosts suggested that I post my review of the experience on the China board, and weigh in on what I understand is some sort of eternally raging debate here. So, here goes; I may not know much about ducks, but I know what I like.
We were in Beijing for 3 days, and sampled 3 fairly similar ducks in 3 wildly different settings. The first duck, which we ate just after checking into our hotel, came from Quanjude, a huge, bustling duck palace filled with Chinese families. The place we ate was actually an expansion of the old Quanjude restaurant, which has been serving duck since 1864, but which is closed right now for pre-Olympic renovation (this may have been a good thing, because my hosts both agree that the duck we ate was better than the ones they've gotten from the old place). The duck we were served was the 400,118th duck they've ever served. I know, because they gave us a certificate of authenticity. It was pretty much perfect: crispy, golden skin; thin, fresh, un-sticky, flavorful pancakes; good scallions and hoisin sauce (you wouldn't think this would be an issue, but it was); a thin but noticeable layer of rich duck fat; and, most importantly, tender, moist, extremely flavorful meat. We were also served boiling-hot cups of opaque, watery duck broth, of which I took a single sip and which my hosts, more experienced than I in such things, avoided altogether.
The second duck we had was at Made In China, a very modern, upscale Imperial restaurant with a distributed open-kitchen design, so that we walked by the duck-kiln on our way to the table, which was wedged between the woks on my left (spectacular flame-ups punctuated the evening), the noodle-chef in front of me, and a full-wall window with a beautiful view of an underlit willow and an old tile roof to my immediate right. The place was incredibly pleasant, and all the food was quite good, cooked with a modern sensibility. But the duck, though good, was probably the worst of the three ducks I had. The main problem was that the meat was neither as flavorful nor as tender and succulent as at the other places, but it didn't help that the pancakes were doughy and that the duck had been cooked until there was very little fat left between the (very) crispy skin and the meat. They served the duck in what I believe is the more traditional Imperial style, which allows a single dish to be eaten in many different ways (presumably, this way the Emperor could eat more than one bite of a given duck). There was one plate of duck slices with skin, one plate of duck slices without skin, and one plate of slices of just skin. Our waitress recommended dipping the skin in a bowl of sugar provided for that purpose; it tasted kind of like eating a slice of butter dusted with sugar, only with an unnerving ducky taste, which is to say way worse. Really, while the skin might be "the best part", eating it without meat just didn't do it for me. And, of course, the skinless duck wasn't as good, so I ended up combining the skin and the skinless duck in a number of my pancakes. The Imperial tradition did have a huge upside, though. Apparently, there were traditionally 2 sauces served with Peking duck: hoisin sauce for the women, and a pureed garlic sauce for the men. Hoisin sauce with duck is very good, but the garlic sauce (which I think really was just pureed garlic) fits perfectly together with the fattiness of the duck, combining to form a flavor very reminiscent of the beloved garlic sauce at Zankou Chicken in LA (which I think is pureed garlic with a little butter). In fact, the garlic sauce was so good that it made up for the inferiority of the duck, and the final wrapped pancakes that I had at Made In China may have been the best I had in Beijing.
The third place we went, LiQun, was located in a maze of grey, dusty, run-down shacks, on a street inaccessible to cars. It was 2PM, and we were the only ones eating there, in an un-airconditioned room next to an open refrigerator full of ducks, while a sullen Chinese girl alternately mopped the floor and swatted at flies. The duck meat itself was very good - moist, tender, and flavorful, not at all chewy. The pancakes reminded me of the thin, flexible rice paper that you sometimes see surrounding Vietnamese spring rolls - they weren't quite as good as the ones at Quanjude, but I liked the little bit of stretch and chew that they had, and they certainly weren't doughy like the ones at Made In China. Unfortunately, the duck skin wasn't as crispy as I would have liked, and the thick layer of fat between the skin and the meat overwhelmed the meat and skin. And, shockingly, the hoisin sauce (which I would have assumed would be constant across the board) was kind of grainy and acrid, noticeably inferior to the hoisin sauces at the other two places. We tried to order garlic sauce and ended up with a paste of garlic and sugar, but it was only about 25 cents down the drain.
Now, I'm not one to be put off by a little fat, so for me the duck at LiQun was #2 because the meat was so much better than at Made In China; one of my hosts agreed. The other, who is one to be put off by a little fat, found the duck at LiQun downright difficult to eat, and far preferred Made in China. But we all agreed that the duck at Quanjude was #1. The thing to do, I think, would be to take a little container of pureed garlic with you to Quanjude, although for all I know you might be able to order it there.
Now, as a caveat, I only ate one data point at each restaurant, so it's possible that some of my experiences may have been statistically aberrant. As I say, I'm no expert on the Beijing food scene. But, for what it's worth, there's an outsider's perspective on the Beijing duck brawl.
Beijing Roast Duck is a typical dish of Beijing cuisine.The dish is mostly prized for the thin, crispy skin, though the meat is fat, it is tender and tasty, not greasy. The history of the Beijing Duck can be traced back to the Yuan Dynasty (1206 - 1368). By the time of the early 15th century, it had become one of the favorite dishes of the imperial Ming Royalty.
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I love these controlled studies and wish I had the discipline to do them, too. :)
I tried Quanjude in Shanghai and it was fair. As you noted for the Beijing location, the duck came with good, thin, non-sticky pancakes and there were three types of cuts (skin, skin + meat, meat). The texture of the skin was good, but it was not actually very flavorful, just sweet. The meat was moist and I actually really enjoyed the soup made out of the carcass (not overly watery as yours was).
I'm not terribly fond of the kitsch associated with the place and I know it's a tourist trap, but as far as tourist traps go, the food ain't too bad.
tourist trap? it is what it is.
Is there an older more "authentic" restaurant that had its name changed during the cultural revolution and then changed back again, and that uses an open hardwood oven (as opposed to the closed straw-fired braised system at bianyifang)?
(bianyifang though is older)
Like so many others before us, we were attracted to Li Qun based on the many excellent, quality reviews posted all over the Internet, and on the desire to hunt for a "gem" in the hutongs of Beijing. However, we have noticed several bad reviews warning us of very bad food (and very poor hygiene to boot), and the trend has been more negative of late. Against better judgment, we ignored these bad reviews and paid the price for it...Our advice, save your time and money, and go elsewhere..there are definitely better places in Beijing.
We went on 3/23/2009. It took us a bit of effort to find it after we walked over from Tiananmen Square, but sure enough, we found it after finally locating the duck drawings as mentioned on earlier posts. We didn't have a reservation for 6PM, but that wasn't a problem. One thing we immediately noticed that spelled trouble -- all patrons were non-Asian tourists. We were shown a menu with dinner plans all nicely spelled out. For 2 people, there were two 288 RMB dinner plans (=$42 USD), which included an appetizer, a vegetable, and a whole duck. Not bad, we thought, but definitely first-class pricey according to Beijing standards. So then the bad:
1. If you do make it to Li Qun, make sure you go on an empty bladder. Don't bother going to the bathroom. It's all true. It's the most gross squat pit in all of China. Smelled like cow manure. Seriously. And too bad our table was right next to the bathroom. Fine, no problem, we thought. We were asking for it especially since we decided to "rough it out" and get the real deal in a Beijing hutong. However, the bad news is that even this hutong experience is not authentic.
2. The appetizer was spongy duck liver. Not bad if you like that..unfortunately, we didn't.
3. The vegetable was broccoli saturated in grease. Horrible, but broccoli is not a native vegetable in China, and so I can't blame them for not knowing how to prepare broccoli. Most of it gets imported from California...so it may probably be the most expensive dish on the table!
4. Worst of all, the duck was horrible. All fat, no meat, and all fat. The skin was not great, eventhough it was a freshly-prepared duck. Look, we're Chinese (Chinese-American), and we were brought up to definitely know how real Chinese food--and for that matter, Peking duck, should taste--and this meal was horrible.
5. When it was time to pay the bill, the restaurant manager who came to write up the bill literally made up the final pirce on the spot--and the price mysteriously shot up to 340 yuan . We ordered 2 Yangling beers in addition to the above meal...the beers may have cost 52 yuan (very unlikely), or the waitress decided she could milk us for more money (most likely). It wasn't worth the trouble to complain because we wanted to get the hell out.
I wouldn't bother writing this, and would have chalked it up to us having fallen victim to a bad tourist trap...unless I had a reason. The reason: there are better Peking duck places in Beijing. We went to Da Dong three nights later, and found the duck to be truly amazing (and with a great, clean atmosphere too). And the surprise? We paid LESS --> 336 yuan at Da Dong for a whole duck, with an appetizer, 2 other dishes, and 2 beers.
Conclusion: Li Qun's days are over. I would not trust any other positive reviews about this place. Don't go, unless you want to waste your time and money.
i remember being in beijing and a guy studying food (local guy) was amazed that we wanted to eat Sichuan food. He couldn't stand it. Being Chinese or Chinese-AMerican doesn't mean you're that familiar with or pleased with cuisines from every region.
But afterall, you thought it was awful, And I'd probably agree. So - avoiding Li QUn. Thanks.
I did exactly that same beijing duck tour in June 2006 :)
Don't remember if I reviewed LiQin.... but basically my impressions were precisely the same as yours. Quanjude's meat was deeper, sultrier, so much more layers of smokey richness. Made in China was a very distant 3rd.
Next time check out bianyifang which does a different style duck than Quanjude (different oven) butis almost as old.
the side dishes are one of the great things about the whole duck banquet and quanjude offers over 100 duck dishes.
I wouldn't be too sure about the dark sacue being hoisin- at the quanjude in rosemead (1/2 owned by the PLA) they used tianmianjiang, which looks similar to hoisin but has a different flavor.
I think Zankou may have pureed potato in the garlic sauce.
As to Xi'an - check out tongshengxiang for lamb (or beef) paomo, there's a place that has biang-biang mian (local specialty) sweet eight treasure rice xi'an style (babao fan), the all dumpling banquet, and many other specialties. Your hotel should be able to direct you.
I will be going to Beijing next April and am just starting to do some research on restuarants and so forth. Of course, duck is high on our list. One question I have: neither my husband or I speak any chinese. Will this be an issue at any of these restaurants you have mentioned. Any other tips you can give me would be great. I eat a great variety of things. My husband does not eat seafood. I know. I know.
Thanks as always.
Quanjude is very well known and set up to cater to tourists, with photo-menus. There is usually someone on staff to help with some English if you need it.
Your hotel will have a concierge who can write names and locations of places you want to go in Chinese on little cards that you can show to cab drivers (sometimes cab drivers still won't know where things are, though! Beijing is huge, changing fast, and can bearly keep up with the demand for cabs!)
For Sichuan please try Baguo buyi--absolutely wonderful food, also with a photo-menu.
Have a wonderful time--I was amazed at how good the food is in Beijing...better than Hong Kong!
Great thanks. I never thought of photo menues. I also have heard alot of Snack Street. Are there any must trys?
We will also be in Xi'an on our own. Any recomendationns there? We will be there one night.
We will then be meeting up with my brother in law who lives in china and speaks chinese so it will be a bit easier.
I speak no Chinese. I was admittedly travelling with friends who spoke some, but it certainly would not have been an issue at Quanjude or Made In China. I could see it being a slight stumbling block at LiQun, but not really - you should be fine.
Finding LiQun was the part of the weekend thar really taxed my travelling companions' language skills.
yes, these are the three that are usually argued about, as well as Da Dong, which is supposed to be as good but cheaper.
Now, in which Quanjude did you eat? We were at the one way up near the new stadium, near the 5th ring road; there are at least 5 locations, including the one at Wangfujing and the original, near Tiananmen Square. Even though they all use the same source (their own supply system), I have heard that the quality varies from branch to branch. Our Quanjude duck was amazingly perfect, the restaurant and service excellent. It would have to be a pretty amazing duck to top the meal we had there.
What a great report. Thanks! Of the three you ate at, I only tried Made in China and I have to beg to disagree, as I thought the duck was wonderful....I am trying to remember if they gave me the garlic sauce or not... Next time try to make it to Da Dong which was probably my favorite ...they also served the sugar with the duck...I liked the combination, though!
One thing we have to agree on, there is a lot of great food to be had in that city!