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doc Nov 14, 2005 12:05 PM

I appreciate the thread on "gourmet burgers". Here's a bigger challenge. I am looking for old-fashioned "greasy spoon" burgers ... cooked on a grill, but with quality meat/ingredients. The best example I can think of was a place on Whiskey Gulch in Palo Alto years ago, called Jerry's Burgers, I think. Terrific fried burgers, buns buttered and also thrown on the grill, melt in your mouth with an accompanying basket of delicious fries, cooked in god-knows-what. Any ideas? Thanks ....

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    ataway Nov 18, 2005 06:46 PM

    I would have to agree with the Dutch Goose recommendation below. Go with a friend, get a couple burgers, split an order of their steamed clams and a pitcher of beer. Great meal.

    And along those lines, I would absolutely say that one of my favorite burgers in the Bay Area is the double cheese burger on an onion roll from the Oasis in Menlo Park.

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      burgers Nov 16, 2005 01:12 AM

      Bill's Place is pretty good. It's a diner that grinds their own meat.


      Bill's Place
      2315 Clement St
      San Francisco, CA 94121
      (415) 221-5262

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        Shep Nov 15, 2005 02:36 PM

        Damn, Shep, how could you forget? The gentle couple who run the Burger Orchard, in Alameda, will put a great cooked-to-order 1/3-lb patty in a basket with hand-sliced fried potatoes, and you can eat it gazing out the big front windows at the little houses across the street. Burgers is pretty much all they do, and they do burgers right. Attached to the Encinal Market, at Encinal and High Street. Check out the butcher in the market after you dine--good quality meats and deli.

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          rworange Nov 15, 2005 02:01 AM

          I'm surprised no one mentioned Bullshead Restaurant in West Portal - meat, bun, chargrill. For me it is still the best basic burger in the Bay Area.

          I like Clark's in Sunnyvale very much too.

          Then there's that place on John Daly Blvd in the mall, the name is escaping me. Next to Pizza Hut and Baskin Robbins.

          I've never been there, but usually someone mentions the burger place on the same street as North Beach Pizza in North Beach.

          Link: http://sanfrancisco.citysearch.com/pr...

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            Niki Rothman Nov 15, 2005 09:35 AM

            You're so right! I've been meaning to plug Bull's Head for quite a while. I love that place! What a fine burger! And you get your choice, all fresh ground, of buffalo, organic beef, or chuck.

            I was waiting for the bargain matinee at the Empire to start a few months ago and decided to walk the length of West Portal collecting take-out menus and scouting future meal locations. When I passed Bull's Head, right outside the tunnel, I was immediately riveted by the sight of a truck unloading tons of fresh potatoes. This could only have meant two things: they make their own french fries, and they're very popular. A look inside the window revealed a butcher case filled with steaks and fresh looking hand formed burgers.

            It's certainly not fancy, just an old-school neighborhood place. But the back area is kind of secluded if you want to talk. The chefs and the waitresses are friendly and responsive. I had a nice chat with the chef about deep-frying tachniques.

            This is a great place for a superior burger and fresh-cut fries. And for 75 cents more you can get a lot of buttery sauteed mushrooms with your burger. The only other thing I've eaten there was a club sand., which was great. But I'd venture to guess, because of the chefs running such a tight ship (I've frequently seen them delivering orders themselves - though it hardly seemed necessary because the place wasn't crowded - and discretely checking eaters' contentment level) that whatever else they cook - it's going to be good.

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              rworange Nov 15, 2005 11:34 AM

              Great description of Bullshead. I forgot about the great fries. I think you can get a number of different type of cheese too like blue, but, for me, this is just so all American burger classic, I never want to play with the toppings.

              That being said, reading through the citysearch users reviews someone mentioned a sauteeed garlic burger with almost a whole head of garlic ... or so the review said. The garlic would cut all that cholesterol, right?

              Actually all the reviews of Bullshead on citysearch were raves except one and I'm not sure if that person actually ate there. I don't recall the place having fillet mignon and, if they do have soup, well, it's a burger joint.

              Link: http://sanfrancisco.citysearch.com/re...

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                Niki Rothman Nov 15, 2005 06:17 PM

                They have several different steaks on offer, and some in the butcher case look dry aged. I think the steaks may be about $15. They feature them on a dinner deal too, available all the time. Yes, I think there are a few unusual cheese selections for the burger - actually there are a bunch of slightly eccentric choices in all the categories on their menu. It's an interesting place.
                The chef told me, "Always fry with corn oil, and always fry at 375 degrees"
                Let that be a lesson for us all...

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              Niki Rothman Nov 15, 2005 06:19 PM

              Sliders? Nations?

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                rworange Nov 15, 2005 07:16 PM

                Sliders, I think. Next to Walgreens or that large drug store in that mall. Yeah, no one should go there. It is obvious I haven't been in this neck of the woods in a while.

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              Zach Georgopoulos Nov 15, 2005 12:57 AM

              The Dutch Goose in Menlo Park comes to mind for me when I think of good, basic, greasy burgers. That you have to wade through a floor full of peanut shells to order is an extra, added plus...

              Searching the web for the address, I came across a recent story about the place (see link). Hopefully the place won't change much.

              In SF, my favorite basic burger is still Original Joe's.

              Link: http://www.almanacnews.com/morgue/200...

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                Melanie Wong Nov 15, 2005 12:43 AM

                Darla's on Irving in SF makes a really good burger for under $5. They understand what "medium rare" means too.

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                  Zach Georgopoulos Nov 15, 2005 12:58 AM

                  Ohh -- that is a good place! I'd forgotten all about it. Must head over there soon...

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                    Melanie Wong Nov 15, 2005 01:45 AM

                    Of the plain, cheeseburger, and patty melt, the patty melt was my favorite format. Good fries too.

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                      ed Nov 15, 2005 03:58 PM

                      and cheap beer on mondays and wednesdays.
                      hic.

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                        Melanie Wong Nov 15, 2005 05:58 PM

                        My mother was happy with the complimentary brownie offered at the end of lunch . . . don't know if everyone gets this. Good service too.

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                          rworange Nov 15, 2005 07:32 PM

                          Yeah, brownie always with the burger. Actually I like the brownie more than the burger. Nice outdoor patio area though. I like Darla's motto "Possibly the best burger around". I like the qualifier. Truth in advertising.

                          The link below has a great review of Darla's with pictures of restaurant, patio, brownie and burger. Actually very close up and intimate pictures of the burger cut in half. Looking pretty good. I think my problem with Darla's was the sourdough roll.

                          Nice people too. Now that the shock of sourdough is over, Darla's is looking really appealing.

                          Citysearch also says:

                          "Darla's cooks an array of comfort foods from chicken fried steak to fish and chips, to breakfast items such as homemade corn beef hash, crab benedicts and fabulous omleletes"

                          http://sanfrancisco.citysearch.com/profile/11641841/#sponsorTop

                          Link: http://www.jatbar.com/detail.asp?num=496

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                            Melanie Wong Nov 15, 2005 07:52 PM

                            The bun is more of a French roll, light and airy enough for the oldsters to bite through but still holding all the burger's juices without falling apart. If it's sourdough, it's pretty muted. Here's my own photo of the bacon/cheese burger in the foreground and the patty melt in the back. Medium-rare. The salad substituted for fries was nice and fresh, although my mother complained that the carrots and cucumbers were cut too thickly. She does remember the free brownie though, and perks to the Darla's sign when we drive by -- "there's that good burger place with the free brownie". She loves free stuff. The one server was nice as can be even during a busy lunch hour communicating with the cooks in Spanish, setting tables, serving up food, and holding the door open for us when I wheeled my dad out.

                            Image: http://home.earthlink.net/~melaniewon...

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                              doc Nov 16, 2005 09:51 AM

                              Absolutely unfair to post pix like these when I'm staring at some leftover carryout that wasn't much good to start with!

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                  Niki Rothman Nov 14, 2005 09:55 PM

                  You want the Burger Joint on Valencia & 19th. st.:
                  Niman Ranch beef, a loaded big ole bun - all cooked to order with plenty of great fries, all for about $6. Great comfy booths, good music, friendly staff, clean. What more could you ask for? When I don't want to cook my own burger, this is where I'm headed.

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                    Mick Ruthven Nov 14, 2005 06:56 PM

                    I'll give you the same answer I gave for the gourmet burger thread...

                    Phyllis' Giant Burgers, 2202 4th St (on the "Miracle Mile"), San Rafael. Certainly the place isn't gourmet; it's a very small burger joint. But they've been turning out great burgers for quite a while. They'll fix yours to your desired degree of doneness and they'll include grilled onions instead of raw if you ask.

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                      Mel Nov 14, 2005 05:50 PM

                      I had a pretty good burger yesterday at The Ramp in SF. They had a good selection of beers and the bloody mary was pretty good too.

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                        caliston Nov 14, 2005 05:26 PM

                        I really enjoyed my burger at Ted's Sports Bar and Grill on 7th and Harrison in SF. Just a burger, but the meat is ground fresh for each burger and the buns were tasty. Very cheap too. IIRC, 2 burgers and 2 beers are less than $17, so $20 with tip.

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                          Morton the Mousse Nov 14, 2005 05:10 PM

                          The Patio in Berkeley is great. No nonsense burgers and an excellent selection of beers, both on tap and by the bottle. They're closed for repairs but per a recent post intend to reopen within the next month or so. Watch the board for updates.

                          Link: http://www.chowhound.com/topics/show/...

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                            mcchowhound Nov 14, 2005 03:47 PM

                            If you're in the East Bay, you should try the Smokehouse on Telegraph a few blocks south of Ashby. (If you're anywhere near it, just follow the smell.) It's a pure example of what it is and always packed with neighborhood kids, Cal students, Emergency Medical Technicians, senior citizens, families, police officers - a great slice of Berkeley life.

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                              mangocrush Nov 14, 2005 10:06 PM

                              I second Smokehouse...great satisfying greasy burgers with fries, just as requested in the OP.

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                              The Ranger Nov 14, 2005 02:25 PM

                              Further south:

                              Clarke's in Mountain View
                              Kirks in Cupertino
                              Classic Burgers of Los Gatos
                              Wallie's Drive-In in Tracy...

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                                Agent 510 Nov 14, 2005 01:22 PM

                                How about Oscar's on Shattuck/Hearst in Berkeley? That's as no-frills as you can get, and the burger is decent (though I wouldn't make a special trip for it)

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                                  jay Nov 14, 2005 12:41 PM

                                  I also enjoy Val's in Hayward - on Kelly Street

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                                    J T Nov 14, 2005 12:39 PM

                                    Phyllis' Giant Burger on 4th Street in San Rafael. Burgers should come with a roll of Bounty paper towels. Oh, so good. Great fries. Also serves a great turkey burger.

                                    J T

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                                      Pius Avocado III Nov 14, 2005 12:23 PM

                                      Mike's at the Yard, Petaluma (2nd loc. in Cotati).

                                      Link: http://www.mikesburgers.com/

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                                        Andy Copeland Nov 14, 2005 12:12 PM

                                        Joe's Cable Car. Simply done, but a great burger. They grind their own fresh chuck, know how to grill a burger, and do so accordingly.

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                                          KathyR Nov 14, 2005 12:43 PM

                                          I wanted to say Joe's Cable Car, but didn't know if that fell into gourmet or ungourmet territory. Also, Big Mouth Burgers on 24th near Valencia has great burgers (they are being forced to change their name due to a cease-and-desist order from Chili's - new name will be Mega Mouth). One of their side dishes is a nice homemade preparation of beans (not sweet). The owner is an incredibly nice guy to boot.

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                                            ernie Nov 14, 2005 01:17 PM

                                            Al's Giant Burgers on San Pablo in El Cerrito are really good.

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                                              Dr. Biggles Nov 14, 2005 01:25 PM

                                              Al's been slipping over the last few years for me. Stopped going and frequent Pup Hut in Richmond on SP Avenue. Bought and run by the Fry Guy from Al's and the menu/food is what Al's used to be 10 years ago. FANTASTIC !!!

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