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Melanie Jun 13, 2007 08:01 AM

I can't wait!

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  1. Boston Foodie RE: Melanie Jun 13, 2007 08:11 AM

    Me either! I saw the previews for it (embarrassingly enough when I went to see Shrek) and I'm so excited for it!

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      The Blissful Glutton RE: Melanie Jun 13, 2007 06:56 PM

      Me too! Looks like it will be great fun.

      1. Alice Patis RE: Melanie Jun 15, 2007 11:21 AM

        I too am excited about it. I saw the 9-minute trailer on Apple's website. The soup making sequence was wonderful!

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          ChowFun_derek RE: Alice Patis Jun 23, 2007 05:12 PM

          Here's the link...I hope it works...it's 9 minutes of fun!!!

          http://www.apple.com/trailers/disney/...

        2. ChefGirl412 RE: Melanie Jun 15, 2007 11:44 AM

          Count me in...

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            snowy RE: ChefGirl412 Jun 15, 2007 11:45 AM

            me too!

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            stolenchange RE: Melanie Jun 15, 2007 12:19 PM

            When my husband said he wanted to see it I thought he was joking. Then I saw the trailer and I am fully on board. Looks like a fun flick.

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              THenderson RE: stolenchange Jun 22, 2007 10:10 AM

              how funny - my husband just said to me this morning...."do you think we could go see this movie?" My reply, "heck yeah, thought you'd never ask!" I really couldn't believe he had a genuine interest...thought I was the only one......and then I saw this thread and realized, we are not alone! Enjoy, everyone!

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                momjamin RE: THenderson Jun 22, 2007 04:46 PM

                My almost-5-year-old keeps trying to get me to have a Dora the Explorer birthday party (bday in about a month), since that's the only "girl" theme he knows. I jokingly asked DH if I could have a Ratatouille theme party (yes, the paper plates are already on the market), and he seriously replied, "You could do that." Then he added, "You just want an excuse to have stinky cheese." ;-)

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                  shallots RE: THenderson Jun 29, 2007 03:08 PM

                  My husband is also wanting to see it. After catching the 7 min animation on cable and remembering the preview before "Cars", he wants to see an animated movie. Who'd a thunk it?
                  This review says its one of the few movies out there that is worth the price of admission.
                  http://www.nysun.com/article/57606

                  Now to choose a restaurant worthy of the movie. We are so far from French Laundry type food .....

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                    LindaWhit RE: shallots Jun 29, 2007 03:25 PM

                    Rave review from the Boston Globe as well.

                    http://www.boston.com/movies/display?... I'm hoping to see it with a friend within a few weeks.

              2. Davwud RE: Melanie Jun 15, 2007 03:01 PM

                It's Pixar. You know it's gonna be good.

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                  ccognac RE: Davwud Jun 16, 2007 08:48 AM

                  We are lucky enough to be going to the huge premiere at the Kodak in Hollywood next friday, it looks like Disney is pulling out all the stops...it looks like such a great movie, my kids are excited and so am I!

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                  MommaJ RE: Melanie Jun 17, 2007 08:59 PM

                  Saw a sneak preview Saturday nite and it was quite delightful--stunning animation and a cute story. Not sure who it will appeal to, though. I can't imagine little kids appreciating it, despite the "G" rating--the story will go right over their heads, and I doubt most adults will want to give it a try on their own. It'll be interesting to see how well it does.

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                    Davwud RE: MommaJ Jun 18, 2007 07:25 AM

                    I think Mrs. Sippi and I will be going sans kids.

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                      susancinsf RE: MommaJ Jul 6, 2007 05:21 PM

                      I just saw it in a theatre full of little kids, and every one of them around me watched intently, many of them spontaneously applauded after! It was clear that these kids enjoyed it as much as I did. I think the animation and the universal themes of being true to oneself appeal even to children too young to appreciate the 'inside' stuff about restaurants (indeed, to adults who don't appreciate some of that inside stuff either)....

                      oh, and the wonderful depiction of Paris, particularly the lighting in the scene along the Seine, made me long to plan my next trip. You've been warned! (but definitely go see it! and take your kids or grandkids, by all means). There is a reason this movie is currently Number One at the box office,and it isn't just because all the Chowhounds are going to see it...

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                        bubbles4me RE: susancinsf Jul 6, 2007 05:28 PM

                        I too was in awe over the scenes of the Paris streets. I caught myself holding my breath or omitting a slight gasp. I will be there in January and thanks to the movie I'm on the edge of my seat. I loved it.

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                          JeetJet RE: susancinsf Jul 11, 2007 10:47 PM

                          I agree. The attention to detail in animation is reason enough to see this movie. Recall the kiss scene? The angel of view cuts to overhead and slowly “pans back” to wide angle to include the rooftops of the surrounding buildings. That angel of view, combined with the details of those rooftops, create an illusion that you are watching a love scene in a major motion picture that was filmed on location. Also, the comic chase scene on the streets of Paris made me recall movies with a character named Inspector Jacques Clouseau. The rats-eye view of running through a kitchen under igniting ovens and wheeled carts became intense. A scene that will hit home with all Chowhounds is the involuntary expression of ecstasy on the face of food critic Anton Ego (Is there a message to food critics in that name?) after his pen hits the floor and the multi-sensory excitement of sight, taste, smell and texture took him to a plateau revisiting his Mother’s kitchen as a child. A movie about the love and art of cooking requires such attention to detail and because this movie was done so well I have seen it twice already. I will buy it on DVD someday and add it to my collection of movies such as Fatso and Big Night.

                      2. SauceSupreme RE: Melanie Jun 18, 2007 02:42 PM

                        A buddy of mine was a programmer at Pixar and Ratatouille was his last movie there (he's now moved on to Harry Potter's special effects company). Can't wait. The trailers are hilarious.

                        1. Kajikit RE: Melanie Jun 18, 2007 03:31 PM

                          I saw a trailer for it months ago... it looks like great fun. DH and I love animated movies (except for the real 'kiddy' ones)...

                          1. crimson RE: Melanie Jun 18, 2007 04:55 PM

                            Hope you enjoy the movie.
                            If anyone's interested there is a podcast specifically on the food portion of the making of the film.
                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysHaeG...

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                              rcallner RE: crimson Jun 26, 2007 08:39 AM

                              Thanks, Crimson, that was really fun.

                            2. wyf4lyf RE: Melanie Jun 22, 2007 10:02 AM

                              I've been waiting for a year for this! I saw a trailer for it before "Cars" last summer and knew this was going to be the movie for me!

                              1. rworange RE: Melanie Jun 22, 2007 03:19 PM

                                Just saw that Thomas Keller has a small part as a food snob in the cartoon. Supposedly he did some consulting for the film too.

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                                  pikawicca RE: rworange Jun 26, 2007 05:11 PM

                                  He did, indeed. Candy and I are planning to go see this together. Will report back.

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                                    Phaedrus RE: rworange Jul 6, 2007 08:00 PM

                                    So which food snob was Keller? They didn't credit him except in the end for the technical assistance.

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                                      MC Slim JB RE: Phaedrus Jul 6, 2007 11:55 PM

                                      He's the one that asks for "something new", leading to Remy's re-imagining of an old, failed Gusteau recipe involving sweetbreads. Guy Savoy voices this character in the French dub, Ferran Adria in the Spanish dub.

                                  2. Boston Foodie RE: Melanie Jun 27, 2007 09:56 AM

                                    So I've decided to make a night of it! Going to a traditional French restaurant for dinner (you know, to experience the real thing) then going to see the movie (to see Disney/Pixar's interpretation of French dining). I'm so excited!!!

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                                      cmvan RE: Melanie Jun 28, 2007 06:25 AM

                                      Here's another story about the making of the film.

                                      http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi...

                                      Yes, Keller is indeed in the film, consulted for it, and Brad Lewis, one of the film's producers, even "interned" at French Laundry. Almost everyone involved in the film had to bone up on Culinary, so that the movie would be as authentic as possible.

                                      Plus, besides Keller voicing a role, his role was voiced by Guy Savoy in the French version, and by good old Ferran Adria in the Spanish. And Jaime Oliver voices the restaurant inspector in the British version.

                                      What's not to like?...

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                                        millygirl RE: cmvan Jun 29, 2007 03:28 PM

                                        Ditto!! Received excellent reviews in Toronto Star today.

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                                          Woolsey RE: cmvan Jun 30, 2007 04:58 PM

                                          Keller also designed the absolutely gorgeous version of the title dish that appears in the film. The man is a fool if he doesn't add it to the menu at The French Laundry:

                                          http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article...

                                          I'm a Francophile, I really love French food, I love Pixar, and I'm a sucker for films about the creative impulse. I don't want to be too hasty in my judgment, but I think "Ratatouille" may be one of the best films I've ever seen.

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                                            MC Slim JB RE: Woolsey Jul 6, 2007 11:06 AM

                                            I loved the movie, too (and was grateful to be asked to review it, from a food writer's perspective, for Boston's Weekly Dig, the alt-weekly that I write occasional restaurant criticism for). I mentioned some of my favorite food-themed movies (Tampopo and Big Night), and likewise expressed relief that Bird's screenplay avoided that obnoxious, dated-by-next-year pop-culture riffing.

                                            But I had the opposite reaction to Keller's contribution in that one scene, as I wrote: "Unlike most of Remy’s soulful, instinctive cooking, his ratatouille is a fussy, post-modern abstraction of the humble French peasant stew. Looking like a Bundt cake made of poker chips, ringed by a careful smear of sauce and crowned with a tiny sliver of basil, it’s the least appetizing entrée in the movie."

                                            But the food in general looks amazing, even the half-rotten stuff.

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                                              ajs228 RE: MC Slim JB Jul 24, 2007 12:35 PM

                                              Yeah, but tell me you didn't get a little choked up when the food critic tried the first bite of ratatouille. I won't ruin it for those who haven't seen it, but I thought that was one of the most touching scenes I've ever seen.

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                                                MC Slim JB RE: ajs228 Jul 27, 2007 03:09 PM

                                                Despite the ugly-looking dish, that was one of my very favorite moments in the movie: beautiful and moving and speaking so poetically to that powerful interplay of food and memory and love. I deliberately didn't mention it in the review: saying more would be a terrible spoiler.

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                                                Alcachofa RE: MC Slim JB Jul 24, 2007 12:38 PM

                                                I wonder if Remy is more clever than we think! Sure, he crafts this post-modern looking skyscraper. However, perhaps he does so knowing Anton will look at this trumped-up dish skeptically. But then he tastes it… and we know what happens--a peak experience.

                                                I’m reading a little bit too much into the rat’s mind. :-P

                                                (I don’t actually believe rats can cook.)

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                                            ziggylu RE: Melanie Jun 29, 2007 09:11 PM

                                            We saw an early showing of this tonight and loved it. Fantastic attention to detail...all the research they put in definitely shows. Husband has never worked in a professional kitchen but really enjoyed it as well. The many kids in the audience also seemed to be enjoying it(we don't have any of own to ask so could only judege based on the fact they all seemed ot be paying attention and laughing when appropriate).

                                            Very well done!

                                            1. yomyb RE: Melanie Jun 30, 2007 06:41 AM

                                              I was so excited...made a night of it after a nice meal, and all I have to say is...WOW. The New York Times simply said "Thank You"...that is just right on.

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                                                Joan Kureczka RE: Melanie Jun 30, 2007 04:43 PM

                                                Just saw the film this afternoon with some other food-obsessed friends. All I can say is 'wow'. Great food movie, really funny, beautiful artwork. A winner all around.

                                                The only comments I've seen anywhere that have been negative, have been from parents expecting something their 4 year olds would find entertaining. That, for the most part, is not this film. Otherwise, it's a winner for the rest of us.

                                                Brought along some truffle salt for our popcorn. Seemed fitting!

                                                1. bookwormchef RE: Melanie Jun 30, 2007 05:53 PM

                                                  Great movie! Went to see it today with husband and 9 year old daughter who also loved it. There is sooo much attention to detail. Any foodie will appreciate it and tag-a-long cartoonies will enjoy it as well.
                                                  The sous chef was one of my favorite characters...watch the thumb!

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                                                    rcallner RE: bookwormchef Jun 30, 2007 10:59 PM

                                                    By all means - go see it! Good on so many levels, and it's been way to damn long since I made ratatouille.

                                                    Some critic suggested once you see you have to run out and go to a restaurant, but I beg to differ - I ran out to a grocers and then SPED home to cook. Wheehah!!!!

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                                                      yomyb RE: rcallner Jul 1, 2007 06:46 AM

                                                      TRUE!!! I love being in love with food and cooking....guess what's on my menu for tonight? ;-)

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                                                        Carb Lover RE: yomyb Jul 1, 2007 09:08 AM

                                                        I'm usually never one to rush to see a movie on opening day, but I skipped out of work early on Fri. so that husband and I could get into the last matinee showing. Very fun movie and, as others have said, the attention to detail is apparent. The animation was awe-inspiring, as there were times when I forgot that I was watching an animated film. Those rats were kinda cute, but working in the food industry, I got the heebie jeebies a few times when they were scampering in the walk-in and kitchen.

                                                        For those who don't have the recipe, it (technically called "confit byaldi") was printed in the San Jose Mercury News adapted from Thomas Keller's recipe:
                                                        http://www.mercurynews.com/search/ci_...

                                                        Here's one article in the Mercury News (sourced from the NY Times) on Keller's involvement:
                                                        http://www.mercurynews.com/search/ci_...

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                                                          Dommy RE: Carb Lover Jul 2, 2007 12:44 PM

                                                          Hurrah!! Thanks so much for the link... I knew the recipe had to get out somehow! :D

                                                          Like the others here we saw it on Friday night... and LOVED it. I am already a HUGE animation buff (One meal I will never forget is my lunch AT pixar! :)

                                                          http://www.chowhound.com/topics/411535

                                                          --Dommy!

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                                                            Ruth Lafler RE: Carb Lover Jul 15, 2007 05:17 PM

                                                            I loved the way they dealt with the "ick" factor of rats in the kitchen by sterilizing them in the dishwasher (although that would probably kill a real rat). I thought visually it was fascinating -- in some scenes, they used a photo-realistic style that made you forget it was animation, and in others it was much more of a "drawn" look. I was fascinated by the way the wine glasses really looked like crystal.

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                                                      sugarbuzz RE: Melanie Jul 1, 2007 08:08 AM

                                                      I wanted to take my 10 yr old to see it yesterday but it was damn near impossible. They were all sold out except for the 10 pm & after showings here in the bay area. We'll try our luck today.

                                                      1. Niblet RE: Melanie Jul 2, 2007 06:29 AM

                                                        I have to say I was looking forward to this, and agree the visuals were stunning, but for me the dialogue wasn't there and it even got a little tedious. You'd think the long trailer they'd been showing (Remy fixing the soup by comically throwing ingredients into the pot) would be a teaser, but it was pretty much the best part of the movie. My recommendation is to save a little money and wait for PPV.

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                                                          markabauman RE: Niblet Jul 2, 2007 10:07 AM

                                                          Great movie; we left the theater very hungry. Read about all the research they did on the movie. Anyone catch one of the early scenes where they called rosemary a "spice"- not an herb?

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                                                            Niblet RE: markabauman Jul 2, 2007 12:37 PM

                                                            Yup, I noticed that too about the rosemary, but then I figured you have to give the rat some leeway for yes or no answers; with such communication constraints spice may be close enough to herb. Although he was able to convey visually his modesty on the question, "you're a good cook, right?..."

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                                                              susancinsf RE: markabauman Jul 6, 2007 05:25 PM

                                                              actually, I thought I heard a question mark in his voice when he referred to the rosemary as a spice, as if he wasn't sure....remember, Remy was still experimenting at that point, based upon the voice of Gausteau in his imagination...

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                                                              Hooda_Guest RE: Niblet Jul 7, 2007 08:52 AM

                                                              I guess I had a mixed reaction to it as well. Before I went to see it I was certain that eventually I would want to own a copy for my own DVD library but I think once was enough. There were some touching scenes to be sure but I didn't bond with the movie like I expected I would.

                                                            3. Davwud RE: Melanie Jul 2, 2007 04:44 PM

                                                              Just saw it today with Mrs. Sippi and we loved it.

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                                                                Fydeaux RE: Melanie Jul 5, 2007 07:41 AM

                                                                I guess that I'm nearly the sole member of the loyal opposition here. Yes, the commercials and reviews I have seen and heard make the story sound wonderful, and the subject matter is certainly not outside my range of interest.

                                                                But call me old, out of place, a ludite, or whatever else you like, I have absolutely no appreciation for computer generated animation. Give me an old Fleischer cartoon, hand-drawn and hand-coloured by a staff of hundreds of animators anyday. In my own (radically overwhelmed minority) opinion, it will be dozens of years before anything in the style of Shrek, Buzz Lightyear, or Remy will have the artistic merit of Hoppity Goes To Town!

                                                                It'll be on cable in less than a year. If I'm really bored, I might watch it for the story. But I'm sure not going to stand in line for it.

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                                                                  pgokey RE: Fydeaux Jul 5, 2007 08:06 AM

                                                                  I went to see it for the story, and that's what I loved most about it. Yes, the animation is amazing, but there are lots of movies with amazing animation these days that I have no interest in seeing. I saw this one because of the subject matter. Is your only reason for your "boycott" is because it's CG? It's not an FX movie, at all. It's very plot and character driven.

                                                                  I thought the comedy was something out of a Buster Keaton film. The story was intelligently told. And the conceit of a cooking rat that could communicate with a human aside, it had a fairly grounded plot that was continually anchored by doses of reality.

                                                                  I think it takes animated fare to another level. I agree it's not a film for the little ones. It's a film lovers film (and a food lovers film!). I think I enjoyed the movie much more than the kids in the theater did. There was so much in the film I am sure they couldn't appreciate. It's also a love letter to Paris, a city I adore.

                                                                  Interestingly, the film uses about 3-4 different types of animation in it. Some of the hand drawn stuff does make an appearance in the film.

                                                                  I guess I have a question for you, fydeaux: Let's say I hated hand drawn animation, and as a result steadfastly refused to watch Fantasia, Bambi, Popeye, Betty Boop, or even Rudolph because of it. You'd try to see me on the stories and humor, wouldn't you?

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                                                                    Fydeaux RE: pgokey Jul 5, 2007 11:49 AM

                                                                    I am not boycotting the movie; I just dont intend to see it until it comes to cable. I know I'm entirely out of the mainstream here (Hell, I'm a blues musician! I'm used to being out of the mainstream!). I dont happen to like computer generated animation; I find it visually irritating. But I am not telling you or anyone else to NOT see it, nor am I suggesting that anyone else's reasons for liking it are invalid.

                                                                    For what it's worth, I never saw "Star Wars" until it was shown on cable either. To this day, I have only seen one SW movie in a theater, and it was a second-run theater. I didnt go see "Saturday Night Fever" either (still havent) because I hated the music. I'm sure that a lot of hard work went into making the music, but I still didnt like it. I have never seen a complete episode of either "Friends" or "Seinfeld".

                                                                    I'm hard put to come up with a really good food analogy (to keep this bit food-related), so allow me to use a mediocre one: let's assume for a moment that you are not a fan of Karoke. There is a restaurant in your town that serves your favourite dish, always perfectly prepared. But the restaurant always has Karoke going LOUDLY whenever you are in there. Since appeals to the restaurant's owners are of no use, you can:
                                                                    A) Endure the Karoke;
                                                                    B) not patronize the restaurant; or
                                                                    C) get take-away and eat at home.

                                                                    Where this movie is concerned, I have chosen option C. CGA is Karoke to me.

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                                                                      prunefeet RE: Fydeaux Jul 21, 2007 07:18 PM

                                                                      Fydeaux, I have hated computer generated animation since it came out but I just saw this today and I have to say, it has really really come a long way. Whatever, wait for it to come out on cable, but check it out eventually. And blues, out of the main stream? Please.

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                                                                      Davwud RE: pgokey Jul 5, 2007 11:53 AM

                                                                      Imagine what you would've missed.

                                                                      DT

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                                                                      Morton the Mousse RE: Fydeaux Jul 5, 2007 12:09 PM

                                                                      Pixar does, in fact, use an enormous team of animators, and their films take at least 3 years to complete. They do much of their work "by hand" including detailed sculpture of all of their characters. Their work is truly a labor of love.

                                                                      If you look at the hand drawn films done by Disney in the last 10 years (post Lion King) they are shoddy, half-assed and full of shortcuts. Most hand drawn films today are made for as low a cost as possible, with the sole intention of selling DVDs to children. There is no artistic merit in the production process. IMO, Ratatouille is closer in spirit to the classic Disney animated features than almost all of the hand drawn films today. There are a few notable exceptions, such as Triplets of Bellville and Iron Giant, but they are rare.

                                                                      Of course, most of the computer animated films released today are also garbage. Dreamworks is no Pixar. Pixar is the only great animation studio producing films today, and their medium of choice happens to be computer animation.

                                                                      But hey, if you want to close your eyes to some of the best animation produced in the history of the genre, in the end it's your loss.

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                                                                        Fydeaux RE: Morton the Mousse Jul 5, 2007 01:31 PM

                                                                        I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on the subject. I may change my mind in another 20 years (although I havent changed my mind about Saturday Night Fever), but at this point in my life, I no longer feel the need to defend my likes and dislikes, only state them.

                                                                        I did not invent the quote, but I have used it often, as it represents the single universal truth that I have encountered: In all matters of taste and opinion, our adversaries are insane.

                                                                        Fortunately, there are plenty of other artistic manifestaions of the love of food and all things food, be they the novels of Tony Bourdain and Mark Kurlansky, the food songs of Louis Jordan, Big Twist, and Weird Al, the photography of Michael Ray or Iris Richardson. If I suffer a loss by not seeing this movie, I will have more than made up for it.

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                                                                          applehome RE: Fydeaux Jul 12, 2007 11:47 PM

                                                                          This is what Tony had to say about the film - he had some minor input into the making of it.

                                                                          "I think it's quite simply the best food movie ever made. The best restaurant movie ever made--the best chef movie. The tiny details are astonishing: The faded burns on the cooks' wrists. The "personal histories" of the cooks...the attention paid to the food...And the Anton Ego ratatouille epiphany hit me like a punch in the chest--literally breathtaking."

                                                                          I think that quote of yours is Oscar Wilde's - someone who often valued style over substance.

                                                                          I have no problem with you not liking CG, but I do believe that the technology is improving in leaps and bounds with every film. It's like watching animation on cels come to life in the 1920's - from Steamboat Willie to Oswald the Rabbit. Who wouldn't get a kick out of watching that progression?

                                                                          And disco/SNF is not a good analogy. Drek is drek is drek. All of us that lived through disco knew that the world had gone mad and were just waiting for sanity to return. CG is going forward - it is not a phase. It is going to get better and better.

                                                                          My previous two favorite food movies, Tampopo and Babette's Feast, capture two aspects of excellence in food - that it takes obsessive work and dedication, and that it exists for its own sake - that of the chef and maker, regardless of the audience. Ratatouille highlights another aspect - that it starts deep within ourselves, whatever our beginnings. All show the real rewards - that real sense of accomplishment that we all seek in life.

                                                                          Regardless of the CG issue, are you certain that you can wait for cable to see the "best food movie ever made"?

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                                                                            Fydeaux RE: applehome Jul 13, 2007 07:31 AM

                                                                            Style vs substance is an issue for me in many aspects of my life. If it is an Oscar Wilde quote (although I always kind of thought it might be Mark Twain, or maybe Dorothy Parker), that doesnt make it any less universally true.

                                                                            Let me try another (possibly, hopefully) more valid analogy. How many threads are there out here concerning people who who had a remarkable, stellar, sublime, spot-on perfect dining experience RUINED beyond repair by someone at the next table talking on their cel-phone? Or someone wearing jeans and flip-flops? Or someone who marinated in their perfume?

                                                                            It would seem that even for Chowhounds, there are 'things' that ruin the experience that have nothing to do with the food itself.

                                                                            I love food. I love movies. I love movies about food. For me (and apparently me alone), one of the 'things' that will overpoweringly ruin my enjoyment of a remarkable, stellar, sublime, spot-on perfect cinematic food experience is Computer Generated Animation.

                                                                            If this is to be considered "my loss", so be it. And the answer to your last question is Yes, I can wait.

                                                                            Now, since this movie is evidently very important to many people here, please continue the discussion without regard to this side drama that I have accidentally started. Sincerely, I hope everyone can see it at a theater that has the world's best popcorn.

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                                                                              JeetJet RE: Fydeaux Jul 13, 2007 11:24 AM

                                                                              I also hope "Everyone" can see it at a theater that has the world's best popcorn.This work of art should also be enjoyed with real butter on the popcorn. But hey, "everyone" includes you Fydeaux. The best popcorn, real butter and a great story about cooking, but it would not be the same without you. It would ruin the experience if you are not part it.

                                                                              I understand the dislike for computer generated animation. My Wife feels the same way as you do about it. However, I took her with me to see this movie on my second viewing and when it was over she walked out in disbelief – she loved it. Moreover, she really is not a Chowhound. I think the point others here have been trying to make is like..ah, when a person loves Delta blues on acoustic guitar with harmonica and a new hit blues recording is made using electric guitar, it would be a shame for the true blues lover to deny themself the pleasure of the work of art.

                                                                              As for seeing it now on the Big screen vs. TV later, well, is a blues recording better on a concert hall sound system or a Sony Walkmen?

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                                                                                yomyb RE: JeetJet Jul 13, 2007 12:17 PM

                                                                                In Puerto Rico we have a saying: "dejalo que muera loco" or "let him die crazy". No I am not saying he is crazy, but you get the point...leave him alone! We all know what he is missing, we need to come to terms with it, be sad for him, and then let it go... ;-) Anyone goind to see it again this weekend? I might...

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                                                                              Chef Casper RE: applehome Jul 13, 2007 10:30 PM

                                                                              Yes I must agree here entirley, Ratatoullie is a great food movie for a menagerie or reasons, but really just because of the level of detail, research, and actual WORK that those Pixar kids devote to all their movies, really makes it worth whatching. I really like how actual chefs, like thomas keller, had a hand in creating the film.
                                                                              On a couple side notes: For food movies aren't we all forgetting "Mostly Martha?", especially since now it's being remade into, in my opinion, horrific romantic-dribble schlock film?
                                                                              Also, I think movie theaters should have hit the food angle harder on this movie. I mean woulden't this be the perfect thing to see whilst enjoying an elegant prie fixe menu or something? Maybe they could have private screenings in fancy upscale resteraunts. I'm not sure but something about munching on reeses pieces whilst they are talking about "veal sweetbreads" just seems out of place.

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                                                                                JeetJet RE: Chef Casper Jul 13, 2007 11:44 PM

                                                                                A wonderful idea. At least some Drunken Goat cheese and crackers, sauteed mushrooms (And that is only for the beginning when Remy is looking for a way to cook the wild mushroom and cheese that he found), crusty breads, stuffed olives....maybe some wine.... We may have to wait until the DVD is released but we will have a good house party then. Thanks for the idea Chef

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                                                                                  Phaedrus RE: JeetJet Jul 14, 2007 06:13 AM

                                                                                  But the theaters already are doing their part. All the candies and junk foods at the concessions are a reasonable facsimile of what Remy's rat brethren eat on a regular basis.

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                                                                          Alcachofa RE: Fydeaux Jul 24, 2007 12:15 PM

                                                                          You're holding up Fleischer as some sort of pinnacle of animation? Is that a joke?

                                                                          Anyway, I just saw the movie and was going to join the weapon-toting mob and convince you to see it anyway... until I read your comment about eating experiences that can be ruined by one non-food element (e.g., obnoxious diners nearby). Your position makes sense. (although your respect for Fleischer is baffling. The animation in Ratatouille has more soul than his.)

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                                                                          fatfudge RE: Melanie Jul 6, 2007 11:52 AM

                                                                          Hollywood paired together my two great loves, cooking and rats! No joke. Rats are wonderful pets!!

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                                                                            starlady RE: fatfudge Jul 16, 2007 06:39 PM

                                                                            I had a pet rat! She was great. I had her litter trained so she ran around my apt all day and she came when her name was called and ate her treats very daintily sitting up on her hind legs holding it. I so agree!!!!!

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                                                                              prunefeet RE: starlady Jul 21, 2007 07:34 PM

                                                                              I know, I have had 4 rats and I have never had better pets. I am hoping that this film will in some small way improve their rep.

                                                                          2. Candy RE: Melanie Jul 8, 2007 02:35 PM

                                                                            Pikawicca and I and our DHs went to see it and out for dinner afterwards. It was terrific. A friend who took her grandchildren so see it after dinner reported the audience applauded at the end. I kind of felt like doing that myself and got the vibe that a lot of people would have liked to. I have not been to a film in a long time that got applause.

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                                                                              Old Spice RE: Candy Jul 8, 2007 02:54 PM

                                                                              We all applauded when I saw it last Sunday night too. Kids and grownups alike seemed to enjoy it. Can't decide which part of me liked it the most...the cook or the inner child. What a delightful movie.

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                                                                              FlavourPrincess RE: Melanie Jul 11, 2007 06:18 AM

                                                                              I'm sooo looking forward to seeing this movie! I love pixar, disney and of course FOOD!

                                                                              Anyway, I'm planning to do a group outting with a bunch of foodie friends and am wanting to make some food to sample before we go.

                                                                              Can anyone tell me what dishes are prepared in the movie (other than the obvious rattouille)? Do you happen to know a good recipe as well?

                                                                              Does anyone know what kind of soup was being prepared? What was in the omelette? How about types of cheeses or wines?

                                                                              TIA,

                                                                              - Kelly

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                                                                                Phaedrus RE: FlavourPrincess Jul 11, 2007 06:36 AM

                                                                                I don't think the soup was ever identified. There was a sweetbread dish. The omelet could have been anything, but in my mind it is just a simple cheese omelet.

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                                                                                  rcallner RE: FlavourPrincess Jul 11, 2007 08:32 AM

                                                                                  There were very expensive vintage French wines (precisely which, I can't imagine, but they were red and at least one was a Cote du Rhone). Lots of cheese/fresh fruit, strawberries, grapes, crusty baguettes, sweetbreads with a fruit sauce (?!?!), mushroom flash-seared, and the climactic ratatouille was an upscale piperade: Tom Keller's version was printed in the San Jose Mercury News as follows: http://www.mercurynews.com/food/ci_62...

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                                                                                    limster RE: rcallner Jul 11, 2007 07:56 PM

                                                                                    '61 Latour
                                                                                    '47 Cheval Blanc

                                                                                    Both Bordeaux and highly sought after vintages.

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                                                                                      limster RE: limster Jul 16, 2007 06:56 PM

                                                                                      BTW, a friend of mine mentioned that the label for the Cheval Blanc was wrong -- (if I remembered what he said correctly) they used the label for a Lafite.

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                                                                                        Charles Yu RE: limster Jul 21, 2007 07:33 PM

                                                                                        At the beginning, before food arrives, the bottle shown by the sommellier to the food critic was indeed a Cheval Blanc. However, when the ratatouille dish came, the bottle on the table was a Lafite. No matter what, I question the pairing of a tomato based vegetable dish with a Bordeaux first growth?! A definite potential for conflict!

                                                                                2. Chef Casper RE: Melanie Jul 11, 2007 08:50 PM

                                                                                  I just wanted to throw my input in here because I can't get over this movie!
                                                                                  I loved it, seen it 2ce in theaters now, and it goes up on my favorites list of Pixar films along with the original Toy Story.
                                                                                  I was just wondering, I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned it yet, but did anyone else notice how Linguinni aquired bruises and scars on his hands after Remy taught him how to cook? That's the sort of detail I really appreciate, I'm sure it was something Thomas Keller pitched to the Pixar lads.

                                                                                  1. katkoupai RE: Melanie Jul 12, 2007 09:12 AM

                                                                                    I initially wasn't interested in seeing it, but I saw the comedian who does the voice of Remy on the Jay Leno Show the other night, plus found out the movie is about food. I will see it soon, hopefully. :)

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                                                                                      JeetJet RE: katkoupai Jul 12, 2007 11:17 AM

                                                                                      At the end of this movie you will want to go someplace nice and oder the entire menu. Strange that a movie about RATS in a kitchen will do that to you, but it will.

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                                                                                        katkoupai RE: JeetJet Jul 12, 2007 11:19 AM

                                                                                        :-) Sounds good...

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                                                                                      Seldomsated RE: Melanie Jul 12, 2007 11:23 AM

                                                                                      Saw a clip this morning on TV, that apparently was to be seen only by TIVO subscribers. Something got crossed in the ether, and a good long cut from the movie was playing at 3:30 a.m.! Suffice it to say, now I too am on the Ratatouille train. And yes, I am hungry for it too! It is almost the weekend, and will have time to chop vegies and put together a batch of the luscious dish . . .

                                                                                      1. applehome RE: Melanie Jul 12, 2007 10:12 PM

                                                                                        Here's a link to Ruhlman's blog - he and Bourdain love this (predictable) - and he's got links to Bruni's comments about Monsieur Ego. Bourdain did have an interview by the filmakers and is acknowledged in the credits. But clearly, Keller was the main consultant.

                                                                                        http://blog.ruhlman.com/

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                                                                                          newbatgirl RE: applehome Jul 16, 2007 06:43 PM

                                                                                          Interesting, having recently re-read KC, I was "hearing" Bourdain's cooking voice while watching this.

                                                                                          I loved this movie. Twenty minutes in I turned to my husband and said, "I love that rat."

                                                                                        2. steve h. RE: Melanie Jul 16, 2007 07:44 PM

                                                                                          i read your posts, drank the kool-aid and saw the movie today. $7, no snacks. parking added $3. should have walked.

                                                                                          let the record show that the story (set-up) starts slow: really, really slow. but when the preamble stuff is over, the movie rocks.

                                                                                          pixar has elevated animation to the point where i have difficulty discerning live shots from cgi (water looks like ...well, water. amazing). pixar also seems to understand that cgi is subordinate to storytelling. these guys are good.

                                                                                          i confess to a momentary moistening of the eyes. fleeting but it occurred nonetheless. there was applause in the theater at the end. applause? for a cgi rat and friends?? powerful stuff.

                                                                                          this movie satisfies at many levels. the cgi is superlative and now sets the bar for the industry. storytelling is difficult at best but this movie recovers brilliantly after a slow start. i recommend this pixar initiative highly. i'm not sure if children will sit still start to finish but i did.

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                                                                                            Sarah RE: steve h. Jul 16, 2007 08:35 PM

                                                                                            I was amazed that most kids stayed put during the entire movie (4:45 showing) and that lots of folks stayed through the credit crawl -- most likely friends and family as we were!

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                                                                                              steve h. RE: Sarah Jul 16, 2007 09:08 PM

                                                                                              lol! yes, i stayed throughout the credit crawl. haven't done that in a long time.

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                                                                                                momjamin RE: steve h. Jul 17, 2007 04:56 AM

                                                                                                Well, Pixar is apt to do fun stuff during the credits ;-) My preschooler had to find the restroom, so we didn't... (But my two kids made it through the whole movie, at least!)

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                                                                                                  Chef Casper RE: steve h. Jul 21, 2007 09:59 PM

                                                                                                  Of-course! You must stay for the credit crawl during a pixar movie!
                                                                                                  If you look really closley you can find that one of the team is actually deemed "Credits". They have a whole team dedicated to that specific task!
                                                                                                  I still halfway expect to see a pixar movie to the end one day and then when the credits are over see a giant splash of colour and lights that proudly proclaims: "CRRRRRRREDITS DONE BY _______!!!!!!"
                                                                                                  But it's also kinda fun to name scan and see all the chefs and food critics and such that came together to help create the movie.

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                                                                                                janetofreno RE: steve h. Jul 21, 2007 08:53 PM

                                                                                                Interesting comment about the children. I saw it today at the cheap matinee...and when I walked in and sat down I quickly realized that I was the only one there NOT accompanied by young children. I guess all the foodie-types in Reno had already seen it, and the moms were taking the little kids to see that while their older siblings saw Harry Potter....

                                                                                                Anyway, I was genuinely concerned, as the kids surrounding me were YOUNG. As in toddlers. Several were crying during the previews. I thought for sure this would be an issue...but amazingly, it wasn't. The only person who got up or made any noise during the entire movie was the woman right next to me...who apparently had a sudden need to be somewhere based on how fast she ran out (or maybe she just didn't want to miss anything!)

                                                                                                I very much enjoyed the movie, and I don't like animation that much. (My husband is still sore at me because I wouldn't go with him to see the Incredibles.) The scenes of Paris AND of the food were lovely...and very real to me......

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                                                                                                  steve h. RE: janetofreno Jul 29, 2007 04:46 PM

                                                                                                  incredibles was the first pixar movie that worked for me. brilliant.

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                                                                                                cocoagirl RE: Melanie Jul 17, 2007 07:29 AM

                                                                                                I too drank the kool aid and caught the 10:35 a.m. show - just lit out of work - the movie theater is next door. I too thought it was slow to start but it was a fun movie

                                                                                                1. Dave MP RE: Melanie Jul 23, 2007 01:51 PM

                                                                                                  I saw it yesteday and this is a great movie...all of my friends who have seen it really loved it (most in the 20-30 age range), and I think anyone who appreciates food will automatically appreciate this movie. The audience was very mixed (young kids, adults, afternoon show) and everyone seemed to really enjoy the movie.

                                                                                                  Like Carb Lover, seeing hundreds of rats in a kitchen grossed me out a bit, but for the most part I loved the film and practically forgot it was even animated.

                                                                                                  I also agree that this is one of the best food movies I've ever seen.

                                                                                                  Dave MP

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                                                                                                    yogurtsoda RE: Melanie Jul 27, 2007 01:56 PM

                                                                                                    I saw it a week ago and haven't stopped thinking about it since. I'm not really into animated films much, but this movie brought me to tears. They got every last detail down to the burns on the chefs' hands and the tiny scratches on the pots. And you could see Bourdain's influence peppered throughout the whole thing - I rushed out and bought the Les Halles Cookbook right after! (Not after sitting through the credits to see his name first though, of course. ;)

                                                                                                    It's easily one of my favorite movies, ever. I'll probably go see it again this weekend.

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                                                                                                      chugalug93 RE: yogurtsoda Jul 28, 2007 09:36 AM

                                                                                                      All i can say is wow!!! I didn't see it till this past Thursday and as an aspiring chef this movie truly choked me up.It made me think of all those people that tell you ,you cant do it, and how great it is to prove them wrong. I already looked into when it comes out on DVD ( Nov 6). Im defiantly going to see it again!

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                                                                                                        shallots RE: yogurtsoda Jul 29, 2007 05:18 PM

                                                                                                        We've seen it once. Mr. Shallots picked up the DVD of Cars (which remains his favorite) and at the beginning of Cars is the preview of Ratatoille. And it looks good on the home screen, as well.
                                                                                                        ( I think we'll see it again on the big screen, or at least I will, even if I have to go alone.)

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                                                                                                        debbiel RE: Melanie Jul 28, 2007 08:55 PM

                                                                                                        We saw Rataouille today and we both loved it. It was funny, endearing, beautiful. I thought the brief tutorial of roles in the kitchen was a nice touch, and loved watching how the kitchen worked. Ego's response after tasting the ratatouille was a beautiful, beautiful moment.

                                                                                                        Lots of kids in the theater--all seemed completely caught up in the film.

                                                                                                        How many of you have made some ratatouille since seeing the film?

                                                                                                        1. chicgail RE: Melanie Jul 28, 2007 09:08 PM

                                                                                                          This may be covered somewhere else in this thread, but I was in awe at the new take on ratatoiuille. Peppers, zucchini, tomatoes and presumably eggplant (although it didn't look like it) mandolin sliced. How were they cooked so that their flavors blended, but they remained discreet slices? The presentation took my breath away.

                                                                                                          Loved the movie. Loved the animation. Loved the characters, human and otherwise.
                                                                                                          Got a little queasy at the rats swarming the kitchen and the cooler.

                                                                                                          Left the theater starving and looking for a good restaurant. A sign of a first-class food flick from my perspective.

                                                                                                          At one point I expected food critic ego to utter the word "rosebud." Didn't happen excect in my mind. Plus, I can't wait to get back to Paris.

                                                                                                          What a delightful film.

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                                                                                                            Ruth Lafler RE: chicgail Jul 28, 2007 10:51 PM

                                                                                                            I don't know how it tastes, but here's the recipe. It's a Thomas Keller recipe, so of course it's insanely complicated. It claims only one hour active prep time. Yarite!

                                                                                                            http://www.binghamtonpress.com/apps/p...

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                                                                                                              chicgail RE: Ruth Lafler Jul 29, 2007 01:24 PM

                                                                                                              Wow. I'm actually tempted to try it.

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                                                                                                                applehome RE: chicgail Jul 29, 2007 01:37 PM

                                                                                                                Here's some pictures (w/instructions) of a version of the same recipe:

                                                                                                                http://offthebroiler.wordpress.com/20...

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