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Is there such a thing as a good "pizza by the slice" spot in DC & Metro Area?

washdcrealestate Jun 11, 2007 08:34 AM

Look maybe I’m spoiled because I grew up out side of Philly and enjoyed the little mom and pop pizza and cheese steak joints that seemed to be on every corner for example Lorenzo and sons. Now that I have been in DC for 6 years I’m convinced that nothing can compare to the pizza by the slice from back home. I know for a fact all cheese steaks here are only worthy of the nearest trash can but that’s for another post.

Are there any recommendation out there that you can pass on for a good pizza by the slice?

I have been to the following and all are junk in my book: Italian store, z pizza, pizza mart, pizza bolis, Jerrys etc

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    Dakota Guy RE: washdcrealestate Jun 11, 2007 08:42 AM

    I don't know about Philly but DC is definitely not like New York where you can buy a slice on every block. The only place where I buy one is Whole Foods in Fairfax (because my office is nearby). It is good with lots of variety but I wouldn't drive a long way for it.

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      dcs RE: washdcrealestate Jun 11, 2007 08:42 AM

      Tony's New York Pizza - 9108 Mathis Ave, Manassas, VA. At least it was good the last time I ventured to Manassas about 5 years ago. I used to eat there a lot. They served it just like in New York area. Pizza sits there on the ledge. You order a slice. They pop in in the pizza oven for a quick heat up. Thin crust. Quite good.

      They also have a location in the Bull Run shopping center: 11674 Sudley Manor Dr., Manassas, VA 20109.

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        washdcrealestate RE: dcs Jun 11, 2007 08:46 AM

        Wow I like the sound of thats exactly what im looking for. I live in Columbia Heights thats kinda far... Road Trip!

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          dcs RE: washdcrealestate Jun 11, 2007 08:55 AM

          Make a day of it. Tony's for lunch. Battleground tour in the afternoon. Panino Restaurant for dinner. In the same run-down crummy strip mall as Tony's - 9116 Mathis Ave., Manassas, VA 20110. Nice affordable semi-upscale Italian.

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            Lowbar RE: washdcrealestate Jun 11, 2007 09:04 AM

            Must shorter road trip to the best Tony's which is in Fair Lakes:

            Tony's New York Pizza
            13087 Fair Lakes Shopping Ctr
            Fairfax, VA 22033

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          govo RE: washdcrealestate Jun 11, 2007 09:06 AM

          I think Manhattan Deli has good slices - it's at Navy Archives at 8th and Pennsylvania. That said, I also think Italian Store (less good) and Pizza Mart's (can be real good if hot and fresh) slices are pretty good too. I've also had Duccini's slices (18th and Florida) late-night a few times, and they're good (might be my favorite slice - and I think they're better than Duccini's pies) too.

          I grew up outside of Philly also, and agree the pizza selections here are not as good, but I'm not sure that it's as head-and-shoulders above as your post suggests. The real difference in my opinion is the fact that there are far fewer places to get slices; the ones I mentioned are in the league with most average places in and around Philly, in my opinion.

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            NLW RE: govo Jun 11, 2007 04:00 PM

            I second Manhattan. Quite tasty. It is too bad that they are not open in the evening after work.

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              KWynn RE: govo Jun 13, 2007 01:11 PM

              Agree with govo and NLW on Manhattan Deli. Also want to mention Washington Deli on 20th and I (next door to Baja Fresh). They have great pizza by the slice. My preference is cheese or their white pizza with spinach and mushrooms.

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                dan f. RE: KWynn Jun 26, 2007 04:16 PM

                I second Washington Deli. Describes itself as ''Long Island'' style pizza. Good Sicilian in addition to pizzas with usual toppings. I'm from NY & it's the best slice joint I've been to recently.

            2. Bill on Capitol Hill RE: washdcrealestate Jun 11, 2007 09:16 AM

              Valentino's, on Beauregard off Duke Street near Landmark Mall in Alexandria, is pretty good.

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                Steve RE: washdcrealestate Jun 11, 2007 09:42 AM

                The best pizza by the slice is also one of the best pizzzas anywhere: Vace. Locations in Cleveland Park and Bethesda. Of course, it's much better if you order a freshly baked pie.

                I like mine with onions, olives, and red peppers.

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                  chickenlover RE: Steve Jun 11, 2007 11:05 AM

                  Another vote for Vace. Good subs as well.

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                    washdcrealestate RE: chickenlover Jun 11, 2007 11:13 AM

                    I do love Vace but it is very different from a Philly Slice.

                    Yes I think your right it could be the best slice in the city.

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                  4X4 RE: washdcrealestate Jun 11, 2007 10:25 AM

                  You can get a good cheese steak at South Street Steaks in College Park.

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                    washdcrealestate RE: 4X4 Jun 11, 2007 11:11 AM

                    As you might or might not know the roll is the most important part of the cheese steak. South Street Steaks in College Parks roll is baked at Wonder Bread factory. As I ate my steak the bread crumbled in my hand leaving me with nothing but Mush. That place is awful

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                      monkeyrotica RE: washdcrealestate Jun 11, 2007 11:38 AM

                      Have you tried Philadelphia Water Ice Company on H Street? Their water ice and cheesesteaks are pretty good (they use Amorosa rolls). Their flyer is prettty insistent about their authentic Philly pizza for $2.25 a slice. Scroll to the bottom for an interview with the Philly-transplant owner.


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                        grossdog RE: monkeyrotica Jun 22, 2007 11:54 AM

                        Unfortunately, the pizza is not any good at the Water Ice window. The slices are thick and goopy and seem like they might be pre-made. As a Philly native who lives down the street, I was very disappointed.

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                        hungryT RE: washdcrealestate Jun 14, 2007 04:21 AM

                        Best bread for a philly would have to go to Als Steak (alssteak.com) in alexandria. However, Al's cheesesteaks are done a little too healthy for me. I'd rather go to Mario's in Arlington (bread not as good but the fillers are much better with the grease/flavor)
                        Only by the slice place I like better than alberto's is Rubino's but that's in Herndon. Disclaimer is that I haven't been to Tony's, Luciano's or Pomodorro's.

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                          Dennis S RE: hungryT Jun 14, 2007 06:49 AM

                          Jimmy's in Herndon has the Amaroso rolls brought in from Philly for theirs...

                    2. Mister Big RE: washdcrealestate Jun 11, 2007 11:43 AM

                      You might try The Corner Slice in Bethesda.

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                        Casey Taylor Patten RE: Mister Big Jun 11, 2007 11:49 AM

                        C'mon - 50% of these spots are a hour drive from DC. To add onto washdcrealestate's original post, is there any good pizza in DC by the slice or pie? I have eaten at most all of the pizza joints in the city and only places I will eat are Alberto's and Matchbox. Ideas? In addition since we have such a great city for true authentic ethnic foods, anyone know where to get a great Italian Sub/Hoagie?

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                          Lowbar RE: Casey Taylor Patten Jun 11, 2007 11:59 AM

                          Even though you are not interested in the 'burbs, I would have to say Italian Store in N. Arlington is a strong bet locally for a good italian sub, and is just a long spit from the district

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                            monkeyrotica RE: Casey Taylor Patten Jun 12, 2007 05:23 AM

                            The two downtown candidates for best sub would be the Big G Man at Mangialardo's on Pennsylvania near Potomac Avenue Metro and the Italian sub at LItteri's Grocery on Florida Avenue.

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                              washdcrealestate RE: monkeyrotica Jun 12, 2007 06:46 AM

                              LItteri's Grocery is a hidden treasure

                              You know your DC Monkey

                        2. Dennis S RE: washdcrealestate Jun 11, 2007 11:51 AM

                          Also Pomodorro's. There's a location in Fair Lakes area, so you can take them and Tony's head to head. Same deal of half-cooked pies waiting to finish off in the oven.

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                            Peyton RE: Dennis S Jun 12, 2007 06:32 AM

                            I second Pomodoro's in Fairfax Towne Center. Delicious and consistent.

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                            MikeR RE: washdcrealestate Jun 11, 2007 06:57 PM

                            I think that pizza by the slice is a really tough thing to have consistently good. Reheated pizza, which is what you get most of the time when you buy a slice, just isn't as good as pizza no more than a few minutes out of the oven. So in order to get a good slice, you need to go to a place that has enough traffic so that they're constantly baking, taking a pie out of the oven, and serving slices of that pie so that it's all gone in a few minutes.

                            If you're going to eat pizza that's been under a heat lamp for 15 minutes or more, or been on the counter and goes back into the oven for reheating, it doesn't really matter how good it was initially. It's going to taste like leftover pizza. There are a number of pizza restaurants that, particularly at lunch time, offer whole small pizzas that are baked just like big ones. You have to wait 15 minutes for it, but it's worth while.

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                              kcwhitney RE: washdcrealestate Jun 13, 2007 11:46 AM

                              The best Pizza slice (NY Style) I have found in this area is at Lucianno's at Tyson's Corner Center. They have been there over 20 years, and it is very consistant (and good).

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                                schulmje RE: kcwhitney Jun 13, 2007 12:54 PM

                                Coming from NY/NJ, I have to say, there is only 1 place in actual DC (not suburbs) that has TRUE NY style pizza. That is Palisade's Pizza on MacArthur Blvd. The slices are awesome, just like your average NYC corner joint. The owner is from Coney Island and was also fed up with the crappy pizza around here, so he reinvented it locally. Vace and Italian store, both average at best.

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                                  Bonz RE: schulmje Jun 14, 2007 08:20 AM

                                  I stopped getting slices from Pallisades Pizza (no apostrophe - its a neighborhood, not someone's possession) when they charged me a couple of times to reheat the slice. "What??!??" Pizza is not as good as Vace, and certainly not as good as The Italian Store.

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                                    monavano RE: Bonz Jun 14, 2007 08:35 AM

                                    Wow, that one leaves me speechless. Talk about nickel and diming.

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                                      washdcrealestate RE: monavano Jun 14, 2007 01:26 PM

                                      that’s a great way to get repeat customers :-(

                                    2. re: Bonz
                                      washdcrealestate RE: Bonz Jun 14, 2007 01:23 PM

                                      Tony's frozen pizza is better then the Mush they put out @ The Italian Store

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                                        Bonz RE: washdcrealestate Jun 15, 2007 02:54 PM

                                        To each his own! But don't you think it harsh to say "Mush" -- more than a few folks like it.

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                                      Lowbar RE: schulmje Jun 14, 2007 09:44 AM

                                      Now that you mention it I remember really liking a pizza at L'Appetito in the same general neighborhood, but I was pretty drunk and starving at the time, so that opinion may be useless. I've been back but I always order something other than the pizza...they do several things pretty well there for a non-Italian Italian place...worth a try if you're around there I guess.

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                                        jkosnett RE: schulmje Jun 26, 2007 06:18 PM

                                        yes, Palisades Pizza is excellent. but you can get a parking ticket before they wait on you. the guys working there need to be trained about service!

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                                      anova RE: washdcrealestate Jun 13, 2007 06:08 PM

                                      I second Luciano's at Tysons I (second floor, just outside Lord & Taylor). Having grown up in New York, I've basically given up trying to find a real pizza outside of the Northeast but I must admit getting a slice at Luciano's is the closest I can get to the pizza of my NY days. The crust is thin and almost crisp, the sauce is very good. Now, ordering a pizza and taking it home --I've tried that and something about the box changes everything.

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                                        washdcrealestate RE: anova Jun 14, 2007 07:24 AM

                                        comming from a New Yorker I might have to try it. Woah!

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                                          mattm RE: anova Jun 23, 2007 06:20 AM

                                          Luciano's sausage is also pretty good. The place has been there a long time.

                                          I also recommend the pizza at Mama Lucia's in Fair City Mall in Fairfax. I don't recommend places of the same name at other locations.

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                                            Dennis S RE: mattm Jun 24, 2007 10:21 AM

                                            I've wondered about ML's at Fair City - and any connection with others. Is there a connection at all - or is it like a Ledo's affair?

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                                              DanielK RE: Dennis S Jun 25, 2007 06:46 PM

                                              The chain of places in the DC area is Mamma Lucia's - note the extra "m" in the name. NO relation to Mama Lucia in Fairfax.

                                              IMO, the Rockville (Federal Plaza) location of ML is excellent, and the rest are poor to very poor.

                                        2. guttergourmet RE: washdcrealestate Jun 14, 2007 04:30 AM

                                          As a NYer who recently visited, I have no slice recs but 2 Amys was great and Pizza Paradiso was very good.

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                                            washdcrealestate RE: guttergourmet Jun 14, 2007 07:26 AM

                                            you should try Matchbox next time you come if your looking for a crispy pie. This is pie only they dont offer slices.

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                                            hungryT RE: washdcrealestate Jun 14, 2007 04:39 AM

                                            Anyone know of a good philly cheesesteak place in woodbridge? I was told there was one but the guy couldn't remember the name of the joint.

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                                            1. re: hungryT
                                              monavano RE: hungryT Jun 14, 2007 08:13 AM

                                              Perhaps it's Sports Cheesesteak and Hoagie Shop?

                                            2. washdcrealestate RE: washdcrealestate Jun 22, 2007 07:04 AM

                                              My girl just tried out Al's Steaks and reported back! As she is also from Philly. She said it was awful extra chopped meats, raw onions, No Wiz (Cheese Wiz) and they put mayo on the cheese steaks :-( What a disappointment

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                                                monavano RE: washdcrealestate Jun 22, 2007 07:13 AM

                                                I'm surprised they put mayo on what they advertise as a real Philly cheesesteak. It sounds like a Virginia "steak and cheese". Raw onions?
                                                There is a Philadelphia Cheesesteak Factory closeby on Duke St. I know they do Amoroso rolls. Perhaps that might fill the void a bit better.

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                                                  monkeyrotica RE: monavano Jun 22, 2007 08:08 AM

                                                  I've found that's the problem with ANY sandwich in DC; burgers, subs, you name it. You gotta tell them to hold the mayo and even then there's no guarantee they'll do it. They just automatically drown everything in mayo.

                                                  It's like ordering fries at takeout chinese places downtown. They always ask, "Salt, pepper, catsup?" and I gotta say "No, no, and no!"

                                                  You gotta tell them you want grilled onions, otherwise they stick raw ones on there.

                                                2. re: washdcrealestate
                                                  Duke69 RE: washdcrealestate Jul 25, 2007 01:57 PM

                                                  Al's does NOT put mayo on their cheesesteaks - NEVER - you girl is wrong., You ask for fried or raw onions - you get a choice - and wiz maybe Philly, but it sucks. They use real cheese and just baked bread from down the street.

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                                                    washdcrealestate RE: Duke69 Jul 26, 2007 06:26 AM

                                                    HANDS DOWN

                                                    Best cheese steak in DC is

                                                    "Philly Water Ice" H St NE & 12th St NE

                                                    Wiz Onions and Mushrooms and the most important delivered daily Amoroso's Baking Company Bread!!!!!

                                                    No one in the city does a steak with Amoroso's Bread soft and pillowy in the middle chewy on the out side!!

                                                    Ask for "No Debt" he cooks them up nice!

                                                    1. re: washdcrealestate
                                                      monkeyrotica RE: washdcrealestate Jul 26, 2007 06:55 AM

                                                      I'll second Philadelphia Water Ice, but the owner stopped carrying mushrooms. Not enough people ordered them.

                                                      I've had some surprisingly good cheesesteaks at some of the chinese takeouts around DC, particularly ones run by Koreans. They use shredded ribeye instead of Steak-Ums, but you gotta tell them to hold the mayo.

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                                                  dcish RE: washdcrealestate Jun 22, 2007 11:57 AM

                                                  Corner Slice is good in downtown Bethesda.

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                                                    divinemsk RE: washdcrealestate Jun 25, 2007 01:52 PM

                                                    I lived in NYC and the Italian Store is the only place around that even comes close. You either went there on an off day, didn't ask for the slice to be heated, or have strange taste in pizza.

                                                    Pomodoro in Fairfax, and the place in Tysons, are distant seconds.

                                                    And to the person bitching about the recommendations being outside of DC, the request was for pizza by the slice in DC or the metro area, which includes Tysons, Arlington, etc.

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                                                      Bob W RE: divinemsk Jun 25, 2007 02:33 PM

                                                      Agreed about the IC pizza hardly being "junk." Someone else on this thread called it "mush," which is equally ridiculous.

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                                                        washdcrealestate RE: Bob W Jun 26, 2007 10:52 AM

                                                        I googled "Italian Store Arlington VA" Google defined it as a budget takeout restaurant that spits out junk and mush to NoVa local residences that don't know any better :-(

                                                        1. re: washdcrealestate
                                                          monavano RE: washdcrealestate Jun 26, 2007 11:27 AM

                                                          Junk and mush? Is this a literal reference to what was said? Or was there more substance and descriptors in the text? What is your resource please?
                                                          Plus, the thing is, it's NOT a restaurant and for someone who is from Philly, as I am, it boggles my mind that one would call the subs (hoagies) and pizza mush. Well, aside from the first grader adjective that's what perplexes me.

                                                          1. re: monavano
                                                            Bob W RE: monavano Jun 26, 2007 11:52 AM

                                                            I grew up in the Providence area and also spent several years in the Boston area; I think I know a bit about pizzas and subs too. Not all of us "NoVa local residences" are hicks and rubes when it comes to such matters.

                                                            And yes, the Italian Store would be the first "restaurant" in history with absolutely no seating. It's a STORE that sells some prepared foods to go. No one should go there expecting to eat their food at least until they step outside.

                                                            We can hope that anyone interested in trying the Italian Store would see that by far most comments on Chowhound are at least somewhat positive and that the very few that are extremely negative should be considered statistical outliers.

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                                                              washdcrealestate RE: Bob W Jun 26, 2007 01:03 PM

                                                              Chowhound is a forum for all opinions negative, positive or neutral for a member of this community to assume that comments that are " extremely negative should be considered statistical outliers" goes against everything that chowhound roots derive from.

                                                              So in the words of myself 2 hours prior Italian Store spits out mush and junk to local NoVa residences that don’t know any better……

                                                              1. re: washdcrealestate
                                                                Franklun RE: washdcrealestate Jun 26, 2007 01:11 PM

                                                                Can y'all big city folk school lil ol me up on the grammars since I am a backwards Nova residence and you do the english so good. Any schoolin you could offer up in being condescending and rude would also be real appreciated like.

                                                                Sometimes I forgot how much cooler I was when I lived in the district. Just think...all those suburbanites I forgot to look down my nose at!

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                                                                  washdcrealestate RE: Franklun Jun 26, 2007 01:21 PM

                                                                  Look I'm just not a big fan of the Italian Store thats all. I dont inderstand how they rake in all that cash selling pizza thats no better then a frozen Celeste Pizza.

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                                                                    Casey Taylor Patten RE: Franklun Jun 26, 2007 03:07 PM

                                                                    When you move out to 301/703 you turn 40, have a litter of kids and wear J Crew clothes. In addition that demographic seems to get stoked about P F Changs...:-)

                                                                  2. re: washdcrealestate
                                                                    monavano RE: washdcrealestate Jun 26, 2007 01:18 PM

                                                                    So when you said you googled the Italian Store, you were lying?
                                                                    Quoting from above:
                                                                    googled "Italian Store Arlington VA" Google defined it as a budget takeout restaurant that spits out junk and mush to NoVa local residences that don't know any better :-(

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                                                                    washdcrealestate Jun 26, 2007 01:52PM

                                                                    Mush is what a child says when they spit lima beans out of thier mouth. Can you articulate what you feel is lacking in the pizza or subs from the Italian Store in a more precise fashion?
                                                                    Can you compare it to Philadelphia pizza?
                                                                    Perhaps we can understand your dissent a bit better if you communicate your experience there with more intelectual rigor.
                                                                    Lastly, can you give the reference from your google search, if there was one (given the benefit of the doubt)
                                                                    Thank you.

                                                                    1. re: monavano
                                                                      washdcrealestate RE: monavano Jun 26, 2007 01:48 PM

                                                                      Remember Im from Philly my first words were "whit wiz".

                                                                      Secondly this is about articulate as I can get without spell-check , responding from my blackberry @ my development site. Maybe when I get back to the office I will sit down and try communicate more clearly.

                                                                      1. re: washdcrealestate
                                                                        monavano RE: washdcrealestate Jun 26, 2007 02:25 PM

                                                                        That'd be great, thanks.

                                                                    2. re: washdcrealestate
                                                                      Bob W RE: washdcrealestate Jun 26, 2007 01:54 PM

                                                                      you took my comment just a bit out of context.

                                                                      If there were just 2 comments about the Italian Store and both were extremely negative, those 2 comments should be given substantial weight, assuming the reader has no reason to believe the posters have ulterior motives.

                                                                      If, however, there are an additional 48 comments about the Italian Store, and they break down like this:

                                                                      24 say it's great
                                                                      24 say it's ok, but there are better choices around

                                                                      then one can conclude either:

                                                                      48 people don't know what they are talking about or are shills for the Italian Store, OR
                                                                      2 people either don't know what they are talking about or have some particular ax to grind against the Italian Store.

                                                                      In short, since there's no overlap, either the 48 should be disregarded or the 2 should.

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                                                                        takats RE: Bob W Sep 13, 2007 10:17 AM

                                                                        The Italian Store's pizza *is* garbage. And until you've at least tried someplace like Pepe's or Sally's in New Haven, John's in Manhattan, Totonno's in Brooklyn, you're not really qualified to judge. And if you say you have eaten at one of these places and you still like the Italian Store, you must be lying. Good pizza is not rocket science and can be made anywhere, but here you're likely only to find spongy sweet crap.

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                                                              Casey Taylor Patten RE: divinemsk Jun 26, 2007 11:46 AM

                                                              That was me bitching about leaving the city and driving to another state to get a good piece of pizza? You were missing my point! If I live in the city, why do I need to go to the suburbs to family/rural area to get a decent piece of pizza. It is amazing that you cannot get any quality foods in the District. Shows how underdeveloped this city is if your recomdation is to drive to the 703/301.........................................

                                                              1. re: Casey Taylor Patten
                                                                MakingSense RE: Casey Taylor Patten Jun 26, 2007 02:55 PM

                                                                Not because DC is "underdeveloped." Try overdeveloped. You get a good slice in places where you line up with cops, cabbies, delivery drivers, and sanitation workers. Regular office workers. In-the-know CHs find out about the places, sure, but these aren't the places that are opened to cater to upscale yuppies. You don't see blue collar types lining up at 2 Amys, Paradiso or Matchbox.
                                                                I wish Mangialardos made pizza. They'd probably do a good job of one to match to G-Man sub named after the cops who frequent the place.
                                                                Pizza isn't frou-frou food and DC tries too hard. Loses in the translation.

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                                                                  Casey Taylor Patten RE: MakingSense Jun 26, 2007 03:33 PM

                                                                  ever walk down park ave in ny? under or over developed? i know of 5-6 great pizza joints. ever walk down chesnut shreet or south street in philadelphia another 8 spots? under or over developed? I have a tough time calling these areas blue collar underdeveloped.

                                                                  1. re: Casey Taylor Patten
                                                                    MakingSense RE: Casey Taylor Patten Jun 26, 2007 06:41 PM

                                                                    Entirely different retail/residential mix. DC rewrote its zoning codes is 1958 and that type of mix isn't allowed in most areas. That's why we have so few neighborhood restaurants in most of the city. Add to that the problems of liquor licenses. NYC in particular is geared toward having neighborhood services right in neighborhoods. Small groceries, hardware stores, dry cleaners, liquor stores, drug stores, etc. on the ground floors of residential buildings even in the most upscale sections.
                                                                    Wish we did have that in DC but neighborhoods often fight it or small businesses can't afford to locate in new developments. When they do, they're upscale, not "slice" joints.

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                                                                    monkeyrotica RE: MakingSense Jun 27, 2007 06:51 AM

                                                                    "You get a good slice in places where you line up with cops, cabbies, delivery drivers, and sanitation workers."

                                                                    Bun in DC's case, all those people are getting kebabs, halfsmokes, and burritos. I guess it's a chicken and egg thing; there never was much of an Italian community in DC, and when they left, they took their pizzas with them. All that's left of the dozen Italian places downtown from the 1950s is AV and Famous Luigis, and both of their pizzas are acquired tastes. Both are good, but not what I'd call New York pizza at all, and they only sell whole pies.

                                                                    And I vaguely recall waiting in Mangialardos and seeing a small pizza being slipped into a pizza box, but that was years ago. They've got the pizza ovens, but they only use them for hot sandwiches apparently. Probably not enough people ordered them.

                                                                    1. re: monkeyrotica
                                                                      MakingSense RE: monkeyrotica Jun 27, 2007 07:57 AM

                                                                      There were some pretty good sized Italian enclaves in DC. A lot of the workers who did the stone, plaster and scagliola for buildings or worked in the markets like Fla Ave Mkt. Most of them moved to the 'burbs after WWII. Holy Rosary still has an Italian language Mass every Sunday, Italian lessons and a big Italian festival each year. Lots of them still come back to Litteri's every week. This is the AV crowd too.
                                                                      Guess most of them ate/eat at home and they just never developed the pizza culture like NY and Philly. I seem to remember pizza at Mang. but that must have been 25 years ago at least.

                                                                  3. re: Casey Taylor Patten
                                                                    govo RE: Casey Taylor Patten Jun 26, 2007 02:57 PM

                                                                    This topic sure degenerated....

                                                                    I think that very few responded to washdc's true question, which was where to get pizza that resembles corner joints in Philly. Most everybody just chimed in where they get their pizza, and a lot seem to go to the Italian Store, and a lot seem to live in the burbs. I agree with washdc; Italian Store's pies are a bit, well, mushy (crust not charred, cheese too heavy on top, not particularly hot, a little too wet). They're ok (isn't pizza always ok?) but not great.

                                                                    I've met very few folks from Philly that think Italian Store's hoagies ("subs") or pizza is anything special.

                                                                    The city's got some decent places, IMO, but not a lot. I've never had any 'burbs pizza that's better than what you can get in the city (I mentioned some of my favs above - Manhattan Deli, and Duccini's and Pizza Mart's jumbo slices).

                                                                    1. re: govo
                                                                      Casey Taylor Patten RE: govo Jun 26, 2007 03:17 PM

                                                                      When you move out to 301/703 you turn 40, have a litter of kids and wear J Crew clothes. In addition that demographic seems to get stoked about P F Changs...:-)

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                                                                        ktmoomau RE: govo Jul 23, 2007 02:00 PM

                                                                        I love the Italian Store, but not their pizza. I wouldn't really consider it a pizza joint though I think most people go for sandwiches, subs and other goods. I think that is has too much cheese, but I am no pizza expert I grew up in the mountains of Western Maryland and relied on a little restaurant called Sirianni's in Davis WV for my fix, so I have no pizza cred.

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                                                                    ybunnygurl RE: washdcrealestate Jun 27, 2007 11:26 PM

                                                                    I really have not bother to read this whole thing but Z Pizza makes a good slice. And I have a boy friend from the Philly area who is in love with Al's Cheese Stakes on mount Vernon Ave in Alexandria, they don't use cheese wiz but he swears they are just has good.

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                                                                      MikeR RE: ybunnygurl Jun 28, 2007 03:47 AM

                                                                      Valentino's makes a "good slice" as well, but at both Valentino's, Z-Pizza, and every other "by the slice" place, they take a cool slice of pizza, put it in the oven for a few minutes, and put it on a plate. The crust gets soggy, the cheese doesn't get gooey, and often the sauce is lukewarm. The problem isn't in what went into the pizza when it first hit the oven, it's that there just isn't a good way to reheat a slice quickly.

                                                                      When I have leftover pizza at home, I usually reheat it in my charcoal grill. It takes about 15 minutes after getting the charcoal started but it works well, with the pizza often tasting better (or at least a little different) than when it was fresh out of the oven. But people who want to buy a slice expecte it at microwave speed, and you just can't do that well.

                                                                      If you just want a little pizza, order a little pizza and wait for it to cook properly.

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                                                                        washdcrealestate RE: MikeR Jun 28, 2007 05:17 AM

                                                                        Charcoal warmed pizza , great idea so simple but im sure well worth the extra minutes.

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                                                                          monkeyrotica RE: MikeR Jun 28, 2007 05:22 AM

                                                                          I grill pizza on my Kamado grill all the time. Never occurred to me to try reheating it though. I'll have to give this a try at my next bbq; after I pull off the ribs, I'll throw a couple slices on.

                                                                          Do you use a pizza stone, or just toss the slice on the grill? Direct heat under the slice or indirect off to one side?

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                                                                            MikeR RE: monkeyrotica Jun 28, 2007 08:43 AM

                                                                            Indirect heat, crust directly on the grate. It tends to get soggy in the refrigerator, and leaving the bottom open to the warm air crisps it up some. It's too easy to burn the crust on the bottom if you put it directly over the charcoal. I've never tried cooking a pizza from scratch in the Weber, but I've read about it.

                                                                            It's really kind of like reheating it in the oven for 15 minutes or so at 350 degrees, but the charcoal gives it a hint of a wood-fired oven. Microwave is the worst way to reheat pizza, but I've seen some shops, mostly the sandwich places, do that. (obligatory restaurant content)

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                                                                              4X4 RE: MikeR Jun 28, 2007 10:08 AM

                                                                              I usually reheat pizza in my oven on the baking stone (which pretty much always stays in my oven, except when I want to use it to cook indirectly in my smoker/grill).

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                                                                                monkeyrotica RE: 4X4 Jun 28, 2007 10:14 AM

                                                                                I used to do the same with leftover pizza, but the cheese would never get molten enough for me. Then I started baking at 450 on the stone for about 8-10 minutes, and then switching on the broiler until the cheese started bubbling.

                                                                                And microwaving almost any bread product just doesn't work for me. It seems to combine the worst of every cooking method.

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                                                                        dsrf RE: washdcrealestate Jun 28, 2007 09:01 AM

                                                                        Only one person mentioned Pizza Paradiso. It doesn't quite fit your desire for a no frills, pizza-by-the-slice place, but it has great "gourmet" pizza nonetheless. It's known as among the best pizza restaurants in the city.

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                                                                          Bonz RE: dsrf Jun 28, 2007 10:31 AM

                                                                          Well, two people mentioned it. One positively and then I replied thusly:

                                                                          "I stopped getting slices from Pallisades Pizza (no apostrophe - its a neighborhood, not someone's possession) when they charged me a couple of times to reheat the slice. 'What??!??' Pizza is not as good as Vace, and certainly not as good as The Italian Store.

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                                                                            MakingSense RE: dsrf Jun 28, 2007 10:36 AM

                                                                            Somebody else mentioned 2 Amys and Matchbox. Beside the point. For pizza by the slice, "gourmet" pizza is an oxymoron.

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                                                                              nickdanger RE: MakingSense Jun 28, 2007 10:45 AM

                                                                              Without reading ALL of the above, has anybody mentioned Giuseppi's in Rockville, next to Regal Theatres? They are from P'burgh, I'm from NY, but it's pretty close. Discount movie tix as well

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                                                                                monkeyrotica RE: nickdanger Jun 28, 2007 10:54 AM

                                                                                It's been a couple years since I've been to Giuseppi's, but their hot Italian subs were always solid. Never tried the pizza (they seem to go crazy with the cheese), but they always did a banner carryout business and lunches were crowded.


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                                                                                  DanielK RE: nickdanger Jun 28, 2007 01:01 PM

                                                                                  I go to Guiseppi's fairly regularly. They definitely do a decent pie, and it's evocative of NY-style, if not quite there. The crust could do with a bit more flavor, and it could be thinner in the middle and thicker on the outside (and needs another minute in the oven). The sauce could do with a bit more zip, and they could have a lighter hand with the cheese.

                                                                                  All in all, though, it's not bad, and certainly a reasonable choice if you're in the neighborhood. I don't think it's worthy of a road trip, and I personally prefer the Federal Plaza (and ONLY that location) of Mamma Lucia's, though I find myself Giuseppi's far more frequently due to it's convenience to the Regal and library.

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                                                                                    ImaginaryGirl RE: nickdanger Apr 22, 2008 06:31 AM

                                                                                    I love Giuseppi's. It generally reminds me of the pizza I had growing up in Jersey. Plus, they have birch beer in the soda machine. Somehow, I find that that always enhances the pizza-eating experience.

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                                                                                rubysoccer RE: washdcrealestate Jun 29, 2007 08:16 AM

                                                                                If you're looking for a good pizza by the slice, I actually prefer Baffetto's at the corner of 18th and U just south of the strip in Adams Morgan. Owners are really nice, they don't have a huge selection of by the slice, but between the cheese, pepperoni and their bianci, you're bound to find a slice you like. And it's delicious and fresh!

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                                                                                  JerseyGuy62 RE: washdcrealestate Jul 23, 2007 01:36 PM

                                                                                  If you're looking for a good pie (not sold by the slice) in DC, try Coppi's on U St near 14th.

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                                                                                    ktmoomau RE: JerseyGuy62 Jul 23, 2007 01:57 PM

                                                                                    They are the organic Italian place aren't they? I have never had their pizza, but their entrees that I have had were very good. I will have to try their pizza.

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                                                                                    chew RE: washdcrealestate Sep 13, 2007 02:44 PM

                                                                                    Not sure if this has been mentioned (just skimmed the topic) but in Montgomery County, Maryland near Montgomery Mall there is a shopping center on the backside where the Toyota dealership is. There is a sub & pizza place called Vince & Dominic's that sells the usual menu as well as pizza by the slice. I usually get sandwiches and subs but my pizza eating friends rave about it. Might be worth a try if you're in the area. FWIW!

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                                                                                      DanielK RE: chew Sep 13, 2007 06:42 PM

                                                                                      Vince & Dominic's is "Not good", says this Philly native raised by New Yorkers. Sorry.

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                                                                                        ImaginaryGirl RE: DanielK Apr 22, 2008 06:30 AM

                                                                                        I grew up in Jersey and definitely am pretty snobby about what I considered to be "good" pizza. Vince & Dominics will do in a pinch, though I really only go there for Passover pizza -- that I recommend.

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