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bostonbroad Jun 7, 2007 08:47 AM

My husband is not big into foie gras (actually, he hates it), but since I'm the vacation planner and the foodie, I'm making the reservations. So, my question is, is Joe Beef on a par with APDC, or will be too sad that I passed it up?

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    estragon Jun 7, 2007 08:58 AM

    You can have a great meal at Pied de Cochon without touching foie gras. I had a whole variety of their seafood last weekend -- it's spectacular.

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      swissfoodie Jun 7, 2007 09:44 AM

      I agree with estragon. At APDC you will get a better feel for Montreal and it's way more of an experience than Joe Beef. And the seafood is amazing since the chef makes it a point to build personal relationships with the purveyors

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        foodismyfriend Jun 7, 2007 10:15 AM

        Joe Beef - BOO!
        APDC - Yay!

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          Mr F Jun 7, 2007 10:30 AM

          What has Joe Beef ever done to you, FIMF?

          Personally, I'd give them both a YAY, though in this particular case I'd agree with the person who says APdC is "more of an experience." But I'd say the two were on a par food-wise, and that Joe Beef was the one that had me saying "I can't wait to go back." With APdC, it's more along the lines of "I really should go back sometime..."

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            carswell Jun 7, 2007 10:39 AM

            "But I'd say the two were on a par food-wise, and that Joe Beef was the one that had me saying 'I can't wait to go back.' With APdC, it's more along the lines of 'I really should go back sometime...'"

            Exactly. Plus the ambiance at Joe Beef is cozier and sweeter. And if APDC gives visitors "a better feel for" anything, it's the Plateau, not the city. Joe Beef and its neighbourhood are every bit as representative of Montreal as APDC and its environs.

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              rcianci Jun 7, 2007 11:27 AM

              I agree that Joe Beef is the more comfortable restaurant. Au Pied can be a downright abrasive experience. I also think that even though they reinvent their menu every night, the food at Joe Beef tends to be more conservative than at Au Pied. Generally, I find APdC to be the more exciting dining experience. Something about the craziness of the dishes and the sheer energy of the place just gets me jazzed.

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              foodismyfriend Jun 7, 2007 10:41 AM

              Had the one of THE worst meals ever at Joe Beef--and I mean it was not just disappointing, but downright bad---the oysters Rockefeller were inedible--sent em back and no one seemed to mind....unacceptable. I could go on....but won't. Suffice to say, boo. Too many great restos in Montreal for me to get excited about giving em a second try, and judging by the reviews on this board, they aren't hurting for having lost my business anyhow:)

              APDC, for someone who has never been, is a nifty dining experience---albeit wildly excessive. They prepare food in ways I have never seen elsewhere, and it is consistently good. Having said that, for those that are not fans of foie gras, I would take a pass on APDC too, and check out one of countless other awesome restaurants in town.

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                Mr F Jun 7, 2007 12:34 PM

                Thanks for the details. While it's a drag to be among the unfortunate few to have had a bad experience at Joe Beef, at least your bank account has one less drain on it. :)

                Agreed that APdC is wildly excessive; that's the aspect that has me seeing a repeat visit as something I feel like I ought to do sometime, rather than something I'm eager to do. And while I like foie gras, making it the focus of wild excess is simply over the top. Still, I would say a foie-hater can still do well there as long as they don't mind seeing the stuff all around.

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                  celfie Jun 8, 2007 07:42 AM

                  I'm not sure I understand what is excessive about APDC. I think ordering style is what makes it excessive - not necessarily the food.

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                    Mr F Jun 8, 2007 08:15 AM

                    IMO the following menu items all have a significant element of excess:

                    Duck in a Can: a standard dinner serving of magret *plus* approximately 4 standard appetizer servings of foie gras. A huge serving of food, especially by fine dining standards.

                    Foie gras burger + poutine duo: approximately the amount of foie found in a half-dozen appetizers at many restos. (Can't compare main-course portions, because elsewhere, foie is almost always appetizer material.)

                    Foie & salmon maki roll (last year): a battered and deep-fried maki roll yielding eight (8) hockey puck-sized slices. According to the server this was meant to be an appetizer for 2 to 4 people or a main course for one. We were four, and while it was delicious we were fighting over the *smaller* pieces. Easily enough food to be an appetizer for a party of 8, and a filling one at that. A concoction that is (was) the very soul of excess, from the layer of batter on the outside to the thread of foie down the middle.

                    Plogue à Champlain: pancake + foie + bacon + cheese + maple syrup + I forget what else. Deceptively small-looking, as all those ultra-rich ingredients add up to a *very* substantial main course.

                    Bison rib: easily twice the portion size of, for example, the beef short rib main course at Leméac.

                    These are just things of which I have direct experience. There have been many reports of other dishes that make it more than reasonable to describe this restaurant as trading in wild excess. (Pig's trotter stuffed with foie gras, anyone?)

                    In fact, I doubt Martin Picard would deny that his joint is a temple to excess. He may even say as much in the Album; don't have it here to check, though.

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                      celfie Jun 8, 2007 08:26 AM

                      i think the idea way to order at APDC is not dishes for individuals but as a group tapas style - in fact, i attempt to eat this way at any restaurant I go. I find the whole dish to myself thing passé

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                        Mr F Jun 8, 2007 08:37 AM

                        OK, but you're creating (or importing) an ordering style that was not intended for the restaurant. The menu is set up in a traditional apps-and-mains style, and is clearly intended to be ordered and eaten that way.

                        If you have to take special steps to work around the massive portions or even avoid ordering some items entirely in order to avoid overeating and/or massive waste, that seems to be yet another argument that Picard's style is indeed wildly excessive.

                        And I'd like to see somebody try to share Duck in a Can or a foie gras burger tapas-style.

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                          carswell Jun 8, 2007 08:56 AM

                          I always order as a group tapas style when I dine solo at the bar. You won't catch me being passé, no siree.

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                            swissfoodie Jun 8, 2007 09:27 AM

                            "I'd like to see somebody try to share Duck in a Can or a foie gras burger tapas-style"
                            Empty the can and use two forks and cut the burger in half before eating... seems easy enough. I think that just because a menu is organized in a traditional way does not mean the customer is expected to order in the traditional way. Using the logic of your argument, then every customer would have to eat an appetizer, a main and never, ever skip dessert, because if it's on the menu, in that order, then one must order it...

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                              Mr F Jun 8, 2007 10:08 AM

                              "Use two forks" is not a viable solution to the Duck in a Can problem, as neither the magret nor the foie can be easily cut with a fork. But, yes, I suppose you could cut everything up for sharing, though the foie would probably resemble a sauce by the time you started eating. Cutting up the burger would probably be easier.

                              Anyway, I'm not saying sharing is completely unfeasible at APdC (I'm sure they're quite helpful with customers who want to share), or that everybody should always have app, main, and dessert.

                              What I *am* saying is that "wildly excessive" is an apt description of Picard's approach -- especially if you take the menu layout at face value, but also (forgive me) no matter how you slice it. It's fine by me if you want to share Duck in a Can six ways, but I can't see how doing so would change the fact that the dish is quite simply over-the-top (and quite delicious).

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                            rcianci Jun 8, 2007 10:41 AM

                            When I point people to PDC, I always recommend sharing plates as a way of coping with the portions and the prices. But let's face it, some dishes are just fat orgies. The Poutine au Foie Gras contains, besides the foie, egg yolks, cream, cheese curds, and potatoes fried in tallow. I'm sure if I were to ask my dietitian what would be a reasonable portion, she would say "none".

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                morebubbles Jun 8, 2007 09:17 AM

                You can eat well at APDCwithout eating foie gras if you don't want. I had the onion soup - a nice portion, not excessive, by any means. I ordered the PDC with foie gras, when it arrived it was much larger than I had expected and asked right away if I could take out most of it, they said yes of course. I was very impressed with the way it was wrapped for take out. No waste there, leftovers were terrific the next day.
                Another time if I'm ordering that or the duck, I plan to share the dish with a friend, no problem there.

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                  celfie Jun 9, 2007 05:28 PM

                  so how's the warm salad of calf's heart
                  thinking i need to get this tomoorrow

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                    lorijoboo Jun 9, 2007 05:34 PM

                    Definately Au Pied du Cochon. We had a great meal there while we were visiting. We have relived it through conversation many times.

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                      rcianci Jun 9, 2007 06:00 PM

                      Pray, share with us the details, so we can relive it too. Vicarious meals are great fun, and they have fewer calories. :)

                      Also, anybody try the calf's brain omlete with shrimp? That's been looking pretty intriguing to me.

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                        celfie Jun 9, 2007 06:26 PM

                        same here, i am pretty sure im getting that, though i wish it could be ordered minus the omelette

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                          oddcouple1 Jun 10, 2007 03:39 PM

                          We are in town for the race and we ate at the bar at APdC last night.... started with 2 of the cromesquis, which is basically foie gras that is breaded and deep fried, leaving the inside pure molten liquid gold (foie gras). You HAVE to try one. $3.50 each.

                          We then had the Foie Gras Poutine, again, delicious. The sauces/gravy that they use are so rich- I think that the lighter colored one must be some sort of foie gras reduction or something. They cook the foie gras on the medium rare side, IMO, and that takes a little getting used to, but still very tasty.

                          For mains, Mr. OC had the Duck in a Can - phenomenal, as he said, it was the richest thing he has ever eaten. I had the Happy Pork Chop, which must have been 4 inches thick, seard crisp on the outside and moist and tender and juicy inside- it came on some chocroute and had a nice ragout of wild mushrooms and onions on top- it was so huge, I think I left about half. We skipped dessert- as it was, we needed a wheelbarrow to get out! Sitting at the bar was quite a treat for Mr. OC, who is a chef, as their kitchen is open and RIGHT there. In fact, Martin Picard himself signed the label from Mr.'s Duck in a Can so he has a fun souvenir.

                          We will return again next year! Be sure to call for a reservation- ours was at 10 pm and the place was still completely packed.

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                            kittychow Jun 12, 2007 12:22 PM

                            I also enjoyed a fabulous meal at APdC over the weekend. Like you we had a 10 p.m. reservation (on Sunday) and it was still quite packed. I'll post a longer review with photos soon. Somehow we managed to enjoy an outrageous meal there WITHOUT foie gras.I'm quite sad about it and plan to return ASAP to remedy that mistake. We started with the Plateau du plateau and after feasting on that for an hour I was far too stuff for foie gras. :( Instead I had insanely rich, gorgeous, plate-licking-good duck margret and my DC had perfectly prepared steak frites. Fabulous meal, service, etc. Absolutely loved sitting at the bar by the kitchen. The wonderful cooks took time to chat with us and describe the preparations behind the counter. If I only had one more night in Montreal this week! I'd most certainly be enjoying the foie gras poutine (looked sooo good) and the lobster roll.

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