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philly cheesesteak!

where can i find the best philly cheesesteak sandwich in the areas of LA and OC?
-best bread?
-best meat?
-best cheese?

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  1. Fredos
    720 N Lake Ave
    Pasadena, CA 91104 (626) 798-9905

    Can only vouche for this location
    Philly's Best - Fountain Valley, CA
    18691 Brookhurst Street
    Fountain Valley, CA 92708

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      1. re: wizardx

        i'm going there right now, hopefully no traffic.

        1. re: kevin

          I keep meaning to try Fredo's, but I always end up next door for Mexican food at Rosarito #2. I like Mexican food more than cheesesteak sandwiches, I guess. :)

          1. re: Philly

            To me, one of the great thing about Fredo's and a few other places is that they offer ALL the choices; white american, provolone and whiz.

            1. re: kevin

              Philly's Best is actually a very decent chain. They do American, Provolone, Wiz or all three. In addition to the Fountain Valley locale listed above, they also have them in Irvine and Long Beach near CSULB.

              If you're in West LA - Philly West makes a pretty decent cheesesteak, as well. It is a complete, whole in the wall, dive bar just south of Santa MOnica on Westwood Blvd.

              1. re: Philly

                Philly's Best imports Amoroso rolls. It was one of my pre-requisites when I was looking for cheesesteaks in LA. :)

                They also import Tastycakes, Wise potato chips and Yuengling Lager.

                1. re: UDHRfan

                  They really have Yuengling? Didnt think there was anywhere in LA with that...

                2. re: katkoupai

                  Hi Katkoupai - what do you get at Rosarito? I see it all the time, then think I should stop, but always end up somewhere else. Have you tried my taco place yet? Thanks!

                  1. re: katkoupai

                    You're just around the corner from Tonny's, katkoupai -- you should try their carnitas sometime.

                    Also, muchos dittos on Fredo's. That's the best steak sandwich I've found in Southern California.

              2. re: Burger Boy

                You can tell Dan how you like 'em and he can create it whichever way you like. Not just the kind of cheese but if you like yours nasty etc.
                Dan loves Chowhound.

                1. re: mpron

                  he does. asks everyone where the heard about the joint from.

                2. re: Burger Boy

                  I second Philly's Best in Fountain Valley. The original location and still owned by the founders. Everything is brought in directly from Philly and the sandwiches are great

                3. Search engine sez:

                  We could provide more recommendations if you would be more specific about preferred location. Good luck!

                  1. here's the updated webpage for Fredo's:


                    I was there today--I've only ever had one cheesesteak in Philly before (at what local friends assured me was the best cheesesteak place), and the memory of the original's a little dimmed from time and excess, but Fredo's version was *really* good. the owner's a nice guy named Daniel (Fredo's the silent partner) who "studied" back east at a few Philly eateries and was thoroughly excited by all the good CH writeups.

                    1. My vote for Best Philly goes to Markie D's in Culver City.


                      My old fave was Philly Connection in Pasadena, before it closed. I also like Big Mike's in El Segundo.

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                      1. re: SauceSupreme

                        I concur... great cheese steaks and the lightly battered curly fries are killer...

                        1. re: SauceSupreme

                          A friend of mine from Philly recommended Markie D's to me about a year ago. He said that it was the best he had found and I concur. Great bread and first class Hoagies, too!

                          1. re: Ruffio

                            I have to try Markie D's ........but do yourself a favor, if you like really good cheesesteaks try Fredo's they are so good!

                            1. re: wizardx

                              You'll have all the choices at Markie D's as well. :-)

                              I live on the westside, so it is a point of convenience; however, I will be making a trek out to try Fredo's!

                              1. re: Ruffio

                                Yeah I am in the SFV but Markie D's is on my list this week....!

                          2. re: SauceSupreme

                            i will second all of these recomendations. Unfortunately Markie D's is closed. Markie left town. Big Mikes is still open. They have top drawer hogies also.

                          3. I really like Philadelphia Sandwich on Magnolia. The bread is soft on the inside and has just the right amount of crunch in the crust. They put some sort of onion juice with the meat that makes it absolutely yummy. The address is 11112 Magnolia.

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                            1. re: Raymondo

                              Like sel (below), I've never been to Philly. But I really like Philadelphia Sandwich. The meat... the bread... It's delicious.

                            2. I ate cheesesteaks a couple times a week when I was in college in Philadelphia. For years, I'd search high and low in the L.A. area, looking to find a reasonable facsimile. Now, I have a veritable plethora of choices only a few minutes from my Pasadena home. They are:

                              Luigi Ortega's - they have Amoroso Rolls. They have Cheez Whiz. They have hot and sweet peppers. They have bottled Birch Beer (the mandatory libation with a steak). On Colorado Blvd., across from PCC.

                              There's a place mentioned by several others, called Fredo's. Haven't been there yet, but it also sounds like the real deal (Amoroso's, Whiz, etc.)

                              There's the commendable Philly's Best chain, which has a branch opening up at the Del Mar Gold Line station in the near future (it's listed on the directory).

                              There's Lee's Hoagie House (Colorado, just west of Sierra Madre), which uses a locally-baked bread that's remarkably close to the Amoroso. They don't have Whiz, but they do have the peppers. And they really know what they're doing when it comes to sandwiches.

                              You can also get a good cheesesteak, though not truly authentic, at Connal's in Pasadena (Washington near Hill).

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                              1. re: Jack Flash

                                luigi ortega's and fredo's it will be in a side-by-side comparison, let greasy Cheez Whiz dripping cheesteak fest begin.

                                i'm presuming birch beer is similar to root beer or sasaparilla?

                                1. re: kevin

                                  Similar, but different. I'd say that root beer is generally sweeter; birch beer has a bit more of a bite to it. Often, it's kinda reddish...not to sound gross, but similar to the color of oxidized blood.

                                  I'll give Fredo's a try, but L.O.'s has the distinct advantage (for me) of being walking distance from my home.

                                  1. re: Jack Flash

                                    I've been meaning to try Luigi Ortega's. They recently sent coupons in the mail (in Pasadena). Here's one more reason to check the place out.

                                    Is there anything else that you suggest from this place? Thanks. :)

                                    1. re: katkoupai

                                      I'm no expert, never been to Philly, but Luigi Ortega's cheesesteaks were darned tasty!

                                  2. re: kevin

                                    I've had both. Fredo's wins hands down.

                                    1. re: kevin

                                      kevin- Sorry, no contest. Based on my exp- 1X each, Fredo's makes a really good cheeseteak and LO makes a really bad cheesesteak. Fredo's could've used a little more cheese but at least it had cheese, LO's supposed cheesesteak had no cheese, virtually no mushrooms or onions and the meat was burnt & minced.
                                      Another reason to pick Fredo's over LO- Dan at Fredo's is a nice accommodating guy and I never heard back from LO owner/Mgr after 2 calls to complain.

                                      1. re: burger

                                        Fredo's does offer Cheez Whiz. Was just there this weekend.

                                        1. re: Vegasbuff

                                          OK, Thanks for the correction & I corrected my post. I didn't see it among the cheeses listed on the menu and I had a conversation w/ Dan in which we both expressed our distaste for it. I realize there are many who go "wit Whiz" thinking it makes a Philly cheesesteak authentic &/or because they like it. Good for them but I go for the provolone.

                                          1. re: burger

                                            Never met Dan but sounds like he does know how to make a cheesesteak; without Whiz.

                                            1. re: burger

                                              As a former Philadelphian, I agree, forget the Whiz. The quintessential Philadelphia Cheese Steak Experience is abundant juicy greasy steak, grilled chopped onion, and provolone, on an Amoroso roll. Then you slather it with Heinz Ketchup. I know that peppers and mushrooms are available, but this is gilding the lily. Birch beer is an inspired choice of beverage, especially for the younger set, as would be any soda by Frank's ("Is it Frank's? Thanks!"). Schaeffer, Piel's or Ortlieb's beer would be great, if you could find it. And anyone who imports Tastykakes, Wise chips and Yuengling's should be taken very seriously.
                                              Va bene!

                                              1. re: coldwind

                                                Not a fan of Whiz myself, but isn't "Whiz wit" (Cheez Whiz and onions) the original cheesesteak a la Pat's King of Steaks?

                                                Cheesesteaks were my primary source of protein when I lived in Philly years ago as a starving student (ate one or two a week)! I'll have to try Fredo's and some of the others mentioned in this thread sometime. I also need to try Great Western or whatever it's called (3000 miles to Philadelphia). The closest thing to a true Philly cheesesteak I've found in LA is Big Mike's in Hermosa Beach (which unfortunately gets the meat-to-cheese ratio wrong by overstuffing the roll with steak - very generous, but not quite right IMHO). I believe they use Amoroso rolls, and they have Tastykakes. Philly's Best (in Buena Park - can't say about the other locations) was mediocre, South Street was terrible - unbelievably bad. Philly West was a good sandwich but it wasn't a real cheesesteak (though it was like 10-15 years ago when I went there, maybe it's changed since then).

                                                Believe it or not, I had a pretty decent cheesesteak at Dave and Buster's once. But only once; the second time I had it, it was terrible.

                                                1. re: mrhooks

                                                  Mrhooks ,as a native philadelphian i must caution you. Avoid Great Western at all costs!!!The roll is awefull, the meat mere steakum, not even shredded,and the cheese is more like slightly solid mayo. Give the place a wide birth as you pass by. Your right about Big Mikes. Try their cold hoagies, they do a very good job on them.

                                            2. re: burger

                                              I find it hard to believe that a cheesesteak had *no* cheese.

                                              Did you order just a steak, as opposed to a cheesesteak?

                                              did you order shrooms & onions?

                                              chopped/minced meat is pretty standard at many places in Philly.

                                              1. re: burger

                                                If you are affiliated with a restaurant, you may post factual information in response to questions about the restaurant or to correct misinformation.

                                                We use 6 oz. of steak and 4 slices of cheese (almost 1/4 lb.) on our Philly steak supreme 2 american two provolone on a 9 inch (widest) Amorrosa roll . It is minced (chopped) the exact way 80% of all philly steak shops prepare it. But, not like Pat's the originator. And, I reply to all phone calls if my idiot staff doesn't lose them after burning peoples onionless, mushroomless sandwiches.

                                                Kevin, this is my only restaurant and it's not part of a chain. Though it's only an "and Pop" endeaver.

                                                Birch Beer comes from Birch Bark, Root Beer and Sasparilla both come from the Sarsaparilla root, but root Beer adds cherry root and vanilla. We usually have all three in stock, but rotate quite often, please call in advance if this is the only reason your coming.

                                              2. re: kevin

                                                one problem with luigi ortega's might be that it is corporate owned. rather than a mom and pop operation.

                                              3. re: Jack Flash

                                                Birch Beer?!?!?!? Yeah!!!!! I haven't seen Birch Beer since growing up in PA. We used to get it by the keg for parties in the summer. One keg of real beer, one keg of birch. Yum.

                                                I've gotta get myself to Pasadena. Thanks Jack Flash, you just made my day!

                                                1. re: voodoochild

                                                  Is Birch Beer a non-alcholic drink, like rootbeer? I've never had it before.

                                                  1. re: katkoupai

                                                    it should be non-alcholoic like root beer.

                                                    although on a side not sodas used to be made thru fermentation, so the sodas would have like 0.5% or 1% alcohol or so.

                                                    supposedly back in the day they tasted better too, but that's an altogether different story.

                                                    1. re: katkoupai

                                                      It is a non alcoholic drink, yes. Similar to rootbeer, but with a sharper flavor. I don't know how to describe it and do it justice, but it's fabulous.

                                                      I heard they sell a variety at Target now, but I don't go 'round those parts too often. I would definitely try it out if given the opportunity.

                                                      1. re: voodoochild

                                                        I also believe I've seen it at Bevmo, along with sarsaparilla and other drinks.

                                                        1. re: SauceSupreme

                                                          Thanks, everyone. I definitely would like to try "birch beer." :)

                                                          1. re: katkoupai

                                                            Keep in mind, there are two types -- the red version is creamier.

                                                  2. re: Jack Flash

                                                    I finally went to Fredo's today. Had the #4 with american cheese. So good!!! I've tried Connal's and Lee's and Fredo's beats both of them hands down. I will be going back... over and over and over again. Will try the whiz next time, but american was so delicious. And he loves 'hounds. Thanks everyone for talking this place up so much. Its one of those places that really does live up to all the hype!

                                                  3. if you're ever in the San Fernando Valley, there is a place called Philadelphia Grill in Encino. The BEST cheesesteak in the SFV! Fresh baked bread (cross between french/sourdough?), juicy beef and melty white cheese (provolone or mozzarella) BUT, call for their hours.
                                                    Philadelphia Grill (818) 788-3560
                                                    15928 Ventura Blvd Suite 101
                                                    Encino, CA 91436

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                                                    1. re: travelerz

                                                      I have been there before and it isnt a bad cheesesteak, but not in the same league as Fredo's

                                                      1. re: wizardx

                                                        sam's philly steak depot in tarzana on ventura blvd.

                                                        also I really like QT chicago dog's philly cheesesteak

                                                      2. re: travelerz

                                                        yueah but "super slow service" and their bread can be a little hard sometimes, Other than that it's not bad

                                                        1. re: travelerz

                                                          I passed by Philadelphia Grill yesterday and noticed it was out of business. There was a sign announcing a new restaurant coming in. I wanted to love this place as there aren't a lot of good, authentic options in the Studio City/Sherman Oaks/Encino area. I wasn't impressed. I've found Philly's Best in Santa Clarita as the best option in the SFV area, though it's a bit of a drive (until the new Philly's Best opens in Burbank who knows when).

                                                          1. re: rockhead

                                                            Rock, I completely agree. I live in SO and it's a virtual wasteland--no good cheesesteaks anywhere in the vicinity you mentioned. I work near Universal Studios, and when I have time, drive over to South Street in Burbank, which is OK but I think a total rip off for what you get.

                                                            I, like you, am looking forward to the new PB in Burbank....their website says "summer 2007", but has anyone driven by to see if that's realistic?

                                                            I wish Pasadena was closer, but it's too far to drive for lunch to go to Fredo's, but I'll have to make the trek on a weekend soon, 'cuz I'm jones-ing for a good cheesesteak!

                                                            1. re: GK in SO

                                                              GK, Since you work at US, have you tried Philadelphia Sandwich on Magnolia? It's very close to you, and I thought it was pretty good.

                                                              1. re: lil mikey

                                                                Mikey, I have tried PS on Magnolia. I must confess I actually do the chicken cheesesteak thing, not the beef variety) wherever I go.

                                                                I found the PS chicken to be very overcooked and dry, not to mention just plain tasteless, upon my two visits to them. Also, the rolls they use are hard and pretty plain, also.

                                                                So, I won't go back there. I'm going to hold out until PB in Burbank opens for my next chicken CS, unless someone can convince my otherwise!! I don't want a crummy chicken CS sammie no more!

                                                        2. I agree with just about everyone here. Fredo's is great. And Dan, being the person he is, makes it even better to be patronizing a restaurant like this.

                                                          1. The Shack
                                                            2518 Wilshire Blvd
                                                            Santa Monica, CA
                                                            Phone: (310) 449-1171

                                                            isn't bad either if you're in SM.

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                                                            1. I live up the hill from Fredo's, but had never even noticed it until I read this thread. THANK YOU, Chowhound. The standard Philly Cheesesteak blew my mind.

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                                                              1. re: altadenafoodguy

                                                                Thanks for the recommendations on Fredo's, I've been looking for a good cheesesteak place in Pasadena for a long time....great cheesesteak and the owner was nice enough to give me free chips (or fries) and a drink since it was my first time there.

                                                              2. Let me add my vote for Fredo's. The owner is a great guy, and the cheesesteak is everything it should be. About birch beer - I always thought the drink of choice for a cheesesteak was Yoo-Hoo chocolate beverage, but I much prefer birch beer.

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                                                                1. re: ebethsdad

                                                                  Yoo-Hoo? No, no, you need something with bubbles in it to help cut the fat.

                                                                2. The best Philly Cheesesteak I've had in L.A. is Philly Steak Depo (yes, the sign is misspelled as written). Whiz is offered, but I think white American is the default. I have a couple of friends from Philly who agree the sandwiches are really good, even though they do not import their bread from Philly. The restaurant delivers, is always busy and is in Hollywood, in a strip mall, on the corner of Vine and Santa Monica. Trust me on this one. Fries are good, too. Don't get Whiz for delivery or takeout though. It's so watery, it all goes in the bread, if you don't eat it, right away.

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                                                                  1. re: fergusmccool

                                                                    Does Fredo's have hot and sweet peppers?

                                                                  2. Just went today. Fredo's is off the charts. So good. Really puts South Street into perspective i.e. it Sucks. And yes Dan is a good guy and loves chowhounds. He is creating a mailing list via email to announce specials. He said that he was abandoning conventional advertising because he said that all his business growth comes from word of mouth and I bet a lot of that is from CH.

                                                                    1. Philly's Famous Cheesesteaks
                                                                      Larwin Square
                                                                      648 East First Street
                                                                      Tustin, CA 92780

                                                                      Small, authentic family hole-in-the-wall. No beer but killer cheesesteak. Fresh ingredients and excellent options.

                                                                      Next door to Orange County's best Baja style fish tacos - Los Cotijas #2

                                                                      Naan & Kabob a block west is great for succulent kabobs.

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                                                                      1. re: Fesdwino

                                                                        Boy, I wish I hadn't waited so long (and listened to all of you before) to try Markie D's. Clean, fast, efficient, everything in the order was correct, the place was immaculate and the servers were incredibly nice. On the weekend, it was easy to park there and I thank everyone for a winning recommendation.

                                                                      2. Fredos for sure is the best cheesesteak place here in Pasadena. I've tried L.O.'s and they are not even on the same league as Fredos.

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                                                                        1. re: handycrafter77

                                                                          I've been to Fredo's several times, and I have to differ with you I do not think Fredo's is the best cheesesteak in Pasadena. I think it's one of the best cheesesteaks in all of Southern CA, and I have been to most time them. LO's Cafe is a restaurant with over 70 different items for sale, cheesesteaks being but one. But, that with less then a year in business, that many posters would compare a restaurant that sells cheesesteaks as one of their items to a place that is a dedicated Philly steak house, makes us feel honered. I implore everyone in the LA area that likes Cheesesteaks to check out Fredo's AND Tastycakes are a definate must!!!!

                                                                          1. re: LuigiOrtega

                                                                            True, that is why like I said, they are not even on the same league.

                                                                        2. I was in the Pasadena area and decided to give Fredo's a try. I ordered the Chicken Philly. Spent $7.95 on a Great Philly sandwich and a Soda. Very good spot to eat. The owner is a really cool cat. I will be back again to try a different philly.

                                                                          1. The best philly cheesesteak sandwich I had was in North Hollywood .. I will get the name and post!!

                                                                            1. I've never been there, so I can't vouch for it, but I have heard that Corkscrew Cafe in Manhattan Beach which is owned by two brothers from Philly has great cheesesteak sandwiches. I'd be interested to know if it's true, as I live fairly close by.

                                                                              1. Was just over at Philly's Best in Pasadena. Just opened up in the Del Mar Metro Station close to old town.

                                                                                220 S. Raymond Ave
                                                                                Pasadena, Ca

                                                                                bread - amoroso rolls
                                                                                meat - i think its 7 ounces
                                                                                cheese - american, wiz, & provolone

                                                                                Always liked the one in fountain valley, so it was nice to see it open up in Pasadena

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                                                                                1. re: yipper

                                                                                  The Burbank location is fantastic for us SFV folks...I would love to see another one further west like Sherman Oaks, Encino, etc.

                                                                                  Chicken cheese hoagie, provolone, raw onions, pickles, Amoroso, you know the story....YUM!

                                                                                2. 'John's Philly Grille' on Beach in Huntington Beach makes a great cheesesteak....if you are in the OC area its highly recommended. This is the best location they have, the others are not as good. It destroys 'Philly's Best' on Brookhurst IMO...no comparison.

                                                                                  20379 Beach Blvd
                                                                                  Huntington Beach, CA 92648
                                                                                  Phone: (714) 969-8755

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                                                                                  1. re: MadNachos

                                                                                    I AGREE!!! John's Philly Grille was fantastic and I may be getting some Fredo's this weekend and will let you know which I prefer.

                                                                                  2. cannot believe what i just ate at philly west. the worst philly cheesesteak i have had in my life. they loaded it with more bell peppers than meat. there was probabably .50 grams of steak in the whole sandwich. save yourself the disappointment. i will never go back. too bad, because its so close to home

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                                                                                    1. re: YYZ2LAX

                                                                                      AMen. That place is awful! I'm glad SOMEONE sees it.

                                                                                    2. i wish markie d's didnt close man o man that was awesome ..but i had a nice philly at hooters in burbank accompanied by fried pickles mustard mayo ketchup n tomatoes just like i had it in philly minus the fried pickles.

                                                                                      1. Philly West blows goats. I went there, after numbers of people suggested it. It was downright offensive. A Cheesesteak with marinara?? Mr. Cheesesteak is rolling in his grave, somewhere. Just go to Houstons, or something. Or book a ticket to Philly, I guess. I've lived on the Westside for 28 years... I give up.

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                                                                                        1. re: WORX4FUDE

                                                                                          While I don't like the cheesesteaks at Philly West, pizza steak (steak, provolone, marinara sauce) is a perfectly normal and legitimate part of the cheesesteakosphere, even in the City of Brotherly EY YOU MOTHER****** GET THE **** OUT OF MY PARKING SPOT I SAW IT FIRST. Even Pat's and Geno's sell them (they're on the menu for sure at Geno's, not sure if it's on the menu at Pat's but you can get them).

                                                                                          1. re: Das Ubergeek

                                                                                            Not in THIS steakoshpere, nor shall it ever be. But I think we should take your suggestion for Phillies new nickname under advisement. =) Pat and Geno's, Shmat and Pino's. Geno's is all Vegas, anyway. I'll have some neon with my Cheesesteak, please. Psh. Pat's.... OooOOoookay, I do like me a good Pattie's Cheesesteak. Mmmm, whizlicious.

                                                                                        2. IMO.... Philadelphia Sandwiches in North Hollywood is the best. I love the bread and the meat, although I wish there was more cheese served in the sandwich. I'm sure if you ask you can get it though. I love it here! http://eatgohan.blogspot.com/2008/06/...

                                                                                          Philadelphia Sandwiches
                                                                                          11112 Magnolia Blvd.
                                                                                          North Hollywood, CA. 91601

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                                                                                          1. re: Mr. Gohan

                                                                                            ROck on, man. I'm gonna have to try that. Never heard of it. Thanks

                                                                                          2. I went to the Philly's Best in San Dimas yesterday as I have been craving a cheesesteak since reading this thread. I got their Philly's Best, and it was absolutely nothing special.

                                                                                            I won't go there again. I will try Fredo's in Pasadena based on the recommendations here. Thanks.

                                                                                            1. Philly's Best is a nice chain.
                                                                                              I've had some great cheesesteaks at South Street (locations in Burbank and Westwood).

                                                                                              1. As a Philly native who's eaten his share of cheesesteaks, I can vouch for Philly Pizza & Grill on La Cienega & Olympic. It's a hole in the wall in a mini-mall, but their Philly Steak (with Swiss cheese, onions, peppers & mushrooms) is more consistently satisfying to me than any cheesesteak place I know in Philly. (Their pizza is fantastic too.) I've tried a bunch of other places in LA over the years, but this is my favorite.

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                                                                                                1. re: jewfro

                                                                                                  I knew the original owner. He worked in Restaurant equipment sales in Philly. He sold out about 12 years ago or more. Made a dang good cheesesteak. Haven't been there in a while, I'll have to try it, sounds like the new owners stuck to his recipe.

                                                                                                2. Friends that love Cheesesteak sandwiches swear by this spot in Santa Monica


                                                                                                  Any feedback on this spot? Photos on the link sure look good

                                                                                                  Stuart :>)

                                                                                                  1. Just had to write a post that I went to Philly's Best last night, which wasn't a first, and it was delicious, but what was a first were the Wise chips and the chocolate Tastycake I got. Although nothing amazing, I can see the nostalgic appeal to those who grew up in Philly or surrounding areas. I liked them enough to make Tastycakes and Wise chips a must when I go to Phillys Best for my cheesesteak fix. If I could fix one thing at Phillys Best, it would be the onion rings. They taste good, but I wish they were more homeade. Maybe beer battered. Other than that, my sandwich was great, and the staff was, like every other time I've been there, extremely friendly, and that alone makes me want to go back. Any plans to open in Hollywood?? Oh, yeah, and I asked for Ranch (for the onion rings), and they give you Ken's Steakhouse minis. Which is great. One of my favorite brands of dressing.