406546 Wed May 30 14:05:07 -0700 2007 19 41 Cookware 0 2614575 Buying a stoveless house got a hole where 36 gas stove was. I would like to stay in the $3000 to $3500 price range was leaning tward a BERTAZZONI but just got confirmation that oven will not go below 275f kinda strange. Any Suggestions dc Wed May 30 14:05:07 -0700 2007 73130 don515 1 2614690 I can't think of anything that needs to be baked below 275, so that does not concern me too much, unless you dehydrate a lot of fruit or something... More of a question than anything, but $3000 is a lot of money. Do you know anybody who has a range like this one? It may work fine, but I am always reluctant to see someone spend a lot of money on an item that is not widely distributed. Is the showroom where you are thinking of buying this capable of allowing you to cook on the stove? How long have they been selling this stove? I suppose there is nothing wrong with falling in love with a stove for looks alone, and these certainly are handsome, but I would hate to hear that you are disappointed in it is performance or reliability... Wed May 30 14:31:11 -0700 2007 2614575 87093 renov8r 2 2614752 Thank yes waiting for name of people that have the stove before I buy. Just make baked beans over the weekend 7 hrs at 250f confet chicken goes for 10hrs at 200f and time you just want to keep things warm... dc Wed May 30 14:44:19 -0700 2007 2614690 73130 don515 2 2616297 I cook stuff low and slow in my oven all the time at 225. I would never buy an oven that wouldn't heat below 275F. Thu May 31 05:32:50 -0700 2007 2614690 63569 flourgirl 3 2616565 I was really thinking more of "baked goods" or other foods that I bake/roast in the dry heat of an oven. I imagine your low & slow cookery is more like what I'd do on a smoker, a Dutch Oven or even a "crock pot" where the extended low temperatures would need to be accompanied with moist heat. Though I am curious if perhaps I am overlooking something -- What sorts of things do you prepare at the low temps? BTW -- I half wonder if the appliance dealers like these sorts of "problems" as it gives them more reason to sell "warming ovens" and other add-on appliances... Thu May 31 07:34:32 -0700 2007 2616297 87093 renov8r 4 2616942 I don't have a smoker and sometimes the things that I am cooking are not appropriate/too large for appliances such as dutch ovens or crock pots. One example is that I slow cook rib racks in the oven and finish them on the grill. And this isn't a problem. My oven goes down to 170F. (And anybody who knows me knows that I am not easily sold on anything, much less additional appliances that I can easily do without. I have better things to do with that extra cash.) Thu May 31 09:19:48 -0700 2007 2616565 63569 flourgirl 5 2617612 the "problem" is that the Bertazonni costs as much as used car but the dealer would happily need to sell a warming oven to get the functionality that you have... Thu May 31 11:50:05 -0700 2007 2616942 87093 renov8r 6 2618192 Sorry about that - I didn't read that right. And yes, that's exactly how I feel. I don't feel it's necessary to spend as much on an oven/range as a used car. (Although I will admit to casting covetous eyes now and then..) And somehow I have managed for 15 years of married life to get by without warming drawers. Thu May 31 14:00:35 -0700 2007 2617612 63569 flourgirl 1 2614978 I love my Thermadore. It has 4 burner and a lava rock grill in the middle. The oven and broiler have total temperature control. The oven goes up to 600 and down to 180. It now sells for around $6000 . The hood and the exhaust pipe are extra. Keep in mind when you make a lifetime investment like this. They are built to last, and perform beautifully. But the repairs can be very expensive. Someone turned the oven know and broke off the stem....$500 to repair. Wed May 30 15:53:40 -0700 2007 2614575 10838 Fleur 2 2615078 Sounds great but too $$ right now big step up for me would be a 5 star at around $4300. dc Wed May 30 16:20:21 -0700 2007 2614978 73130 don515 1 2616860 Dacor is what most chefs use at home. All of the Wolf and Viking homes I have been in have very shinny kitchens with well polished copper pots. I think Dacor is a huge bang-for-the-buck. Thu May 31 08:57:29 -0700 2007 2614575 100129 CharlestonChow 1 2620000 I have a Blue Star. It might surpass your budget but I've found it to be the best stove I ever used. It inspired my wife to cook on it, which is saying something. The url is http://www.prizer-painter.com/ , so yuou might want to check it out, Had it for over a year and it works flawlessly. Very hot 22,000 btu burners (two) and very even oven. Fri Jun 01 06:47:29 -0700 2007 2614575 23583 EclecticEater 2 2620408 I believe Blue Star is the old Garland "home" range. We purchased the Garland 30" eight years ago when we remodeled. It was one of the last home models they made. It has been mostly flawless. Have replaced the oven ignitor one time but that's it. The burners are great. One plus is you can take out the grate and a wok fits perfectly for excellent stir frying. Fri Jun 01 08:56:10 -0700 2007 2620000 10925 rtmonty 3 2620569 Yes, BlueStar is the old Garland "home" range, to the best of my knowledge. Fri Jun 01 09:37:19 -0700 2007 2620408 23583 EclecticEater 2 4855786 I still have my Blue Star and have no problems with it in over two tears. I notice Renwes the competitor to Pacific Sales is now selling them. They have a nice big oven for baking and the two 22,000 btu burners will cook things swiftly when desired. I and my wife love that range. Mon Jul 13 19:48:59 -0700 2009 2620000 23583 EclecticEater 1 2632330 Thanks for all the advise going shopping soon! Tue Jun 05 13:42:43 -0700 2007 2614575 73130 don515 1 3114358 I have a delonghi 24 inch range and i love it. my girlfriend recently bought a 36 inch with two convection ovens. She looked at the bertazzoni and chose the delonghi because of several reasons. the hot oven issue was one of them. you cannot warm anything when the oven doesn't go below 275. the sides of the range go all the way to the back like any american range. the sides of the bertazonni don't go all the way to the wall so you see the gas connections. besides, it takes a lot of room from the oven. the finish is a lot better too. The only thing i would change is the simmer doesn't go as low as i like. i went to william sonoma and bought a simmer plate and that took care of it. all and all, very happy. Now if I could only find a hood for my small apartment. Sun Nov 11 04:58:43 -0800 2007 2614575 142010 cccandi 1 4854708 I was web searching to find info about this stove and found your post. I see that it is old. Did you end up getting one and have any feedback? Mon Jul 13 13:58:00 -0700 2009 2614575 1093368 freychar 2 4856295 Did get a dacor duel fuel range sealed burners (found a floor model for 1/2 price). Overall happy sealed burner are just as much to clean as unsealed though. Had a few service calls and glad I got the extended warrantee had a spill on burners day before thanksgiving with guest on the way and shorted out the touchpad 2 hrs with a hairdryer got use of basic oven back for the holiday. Have not had any drama since... dc Tue Jul 14 02:54:45 -0700 2009 4854708 73130 don515 3 5162915 That's a commercial stove that has different installation requirements than a residential one. The vendor doesn't carry residential models. Caveat shopper. Sat Nov 07 05:19:28 -0800 2009 5160509 12626 ted