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L and R May 24, 2007 11:32 AM

My husband and I are coastal transplants to the midwest. He grew up in the San Francisco Bay area while I still think of NYC as home and we sorely missed the availability of Chinese food when we first moved to Minnesota. After spending four years here, we have found adequate Chinese restaurants but no Dim Sum houses that come close to the ones in NYC, San Francisco or even Chicago Chinatown. Therefore, we were thrilled to read about Jun Bo when it was rated the best Dim Sum Restaurant by the City Pages. We also read the mostly favorable reviews on Chow Hound and decided to give it a try.

We went on Friday, May 18, 2007, around 5pm and the place was pretty empty. There were only two other tables of two, one Caucasian and another Asian. I overheard the servers speaking Cantonese although the music videos playing were mostly in Mandarin. The servers were friendly, though not the most efficient, and we ordered both dim sum from the cart sitting in front of the dining room and off the menu. Although there was still steam emanating from the metal baskets, the dim sum was definitely not as fresh as it could be and the taste suffered consequently. We ordered some of the basics: har gau, siu mai, cilantro dumpling, sticky rice wrapped in bamboo leaves, Shanghai soup dumplings, and pork wrapped in tofu skin. I asked about the bitter melon fritters and was told that they were out.

Only the Shanghai soup dumplings were freshly made/steamed (the server asked us to wait 15 minutes), while the rest had been sitting inside the cart (for who knows how long) and we could taste the difference. Whereas the Shanghai dumplings were good, the others were only adequate. My husband compared the dim sums to ones he could get from a take-out place in Oakland or San Francisco Chinatown, and only at a fraction of the price we paid ($38, with $5 tip). He also pointed out that the frozen dim sum from Asian grocery stores, when freshly steamed and not past their expiration date, will taste just as good! He (an excellent cook) added that the pork wrapped in tofu skin just didn't have all the various seasoning and vegetables we have come to expect and wasn't wrapped as skillfully. Similarly, the sticky rice could have been seasoned instead of just plain with a filled center.

My husband loves char siu chow fun (barbecued pork with wide rice noodles) and orders it in every new Chinese restaurant we try as a measurement of the restaurant. We specifically asked our server whether the pork chow fun on the menu was the char siu chow fun and the answer was in the affirmative. The Chinese writing on the menu stated it was, but he wanted to be certain and inquired in Cantonese while I confirmed in Mandarin. We were very surprised when the dish brought to our table only contained braised pork. The dish lacked the distinctive flavor imparted by the char siu although it was adequately prepared otherwise.

The service was adequate. We may have had better service because the restaurant was fairly empty, the two seated tables left and were replaced by two parties of three, or because we were Chinese and spoke the language. Even then, the water glasses weren't filled as quickly as at some other dim sum restaurants. We didn't order any tea since the temperature that day was in the high 70's with some humidity.

We have tried the dim sum at Yangtze (8/2004) and Yummy (2005) and feel that Jun Bo is slightly better. Unfortunately, Jun Bo can't really compare to the numerous Dim Sum restaurants in Chicago's small Chinatown, much less to the ones in the cities of NY, SF, Vancouver or Hong Kong.

  1. The Dairy Queen May 24, 2007 11:58 AM

    Thank you for this report on Jun Bo. I think you're pretty spot-on, here. Personally, I've found the best stuff at Jun Bo is what they bring out on those little trays, in part because they are fresh and hot out of the kitchen. Here's a recent'ish thread on Twin Cities dim sum where there's a lot of discussion of "strategies" for ordering at Jun Bo.

    http://www.chowhound.com/topics/380815#238350

    My impression is that many on Chowhound think Mandarin Kitchen has the best dim sum in the Twin Cities, though, I'm embarrassed to admit that I haven't yet tried it. Yeah, it's partly because I'm loathe to leave St. Paul (tongue in cheek), mostly because I dread the long wait everyone always talks about, but also, I think a small part of me likes to dream there's a great dim sum restaurant just over the river I can check out any time, if I wanted to. ;-) Better to have the dream than be disappointed.

    I hear that Tea House II in St. Paul on Suburban has dim sum on weekends, but the time I was there they weren't serving it, so, alas, I cannot comment on that personally, either.

    http://www.ourteahouse.com/

    ~TDQ

    1. bluesman13 May 25, 2007 01:22 PM

      Dairy Queen, before you head over to Madarian Kitchen, you'd better call first - I tried to go there last night, and they are closed for remodeling. The sign said for two weeks starting on the 15 of May, but judging from the progress I saw when I looked in the window, they are nowhere close to reopening.

      So, we went to Jun Bo instead since it is very close. This was my second time there, and while I really want to like the food, I can't say it was very good. My experience was similiar to the post above, and also the fresh made dim sum was far superior to the ones on the cart. The shanghi pork dumpling was really good, but that was about it. The waitress told me that the dim sum chef had gone home of for the day, so no other fresh dim sum. To go with the dim sum, we ordered the pan fried seafood. The noodles were not pan fried, but they appeared that they had been placed under a salamander and when the corner started to burn, they were removed. The result: soft noodles with one burnt corner, served in a glass pie dish. The seafood in the dish was good, but it was otherwise unremarkable.

      1. j
        JimGrinsfelder May 25, 2007 02:09 PM

        I agree with you. Jun Bo sucks.

        Try Mai Village in St. Paul, on University.

        Also, try Little Szechuan on University in St. Paul.

        I've had some good food at Mandarin Kitchen.

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        1. re: JimGrinsfelder
          The Dairy Queen May 25, 2007 02:17 PM

          Ack! Jim, normally I agree with you--you're one of my tried and true steady opinions on this board-- but I have to respectfully disagree with you about the dim sum at Mai Village. It's really not very good. I'm not even sure I would say it's average. I agree that Jun Bo is not exceptional and is very inconsistent, but the dim sum at Mai Village is at least one notch down from Jun Bo. I could only find one dish at our Mai Village dim sum chowdown to say something nice about.

          Of course, I agree with you about Little Szechuan--love the food there. But, they don't do dim sum, do they? (DO THEY??? Because, if they do, you'll find me there tomorrow morning! HA!)

          If you're just referring to good Chinese food in general, I also love China Jen in Roseville (on Snelling, right near Cty Rd B.)

          And, Tea House II on Suburban near White Bear Avenue in St. Paul seems promising. (And is rumored to have dim sum.)

          ~TDQ

          1. re: The Dairy Queen
            j
            JimGrinsfelder May 25, 2007 09:21 PM

            DQ, we had a good experience at Mai Village one sunday morning. They were frying FUN on the carts, the dumplings with shrimp and cilantro were particularly delectable and bursting with bright flavor. I dunno, maybe it was an unusually good day for them. Maybe it was a good crew of friends that day. I liked it.

            Jun Bo doesn't really suck, but it's not as good as other places in town that do not seem to have specialized into Dim Sum they way they have, so I expect them to be the best. So, I agree with you on Jun Bo, inconsistent, not exceptional.

            My kids loved China Jen. I thought it was good. I liked their West Lake soup. I have only eaten there one time. I'd go back but my car keeps going to Little Szechuan or I walk to Grand Shanghai, just because it's close.

            1. re: JimGrinsfelder
              The Dairy Queen May 25, 2007 11:55 PM

              Hmmm, interesting. I can't remember exactly which dish it was (some kind of taro cake, I think), but the one dish I liked at the Mai Village dim sum chowdown was one of the ones they were frying on the carts. Maybe they particularly excel at that? I will say that the atmosphere for dim sum at Mai Village is a bit less frenetic that Jun Bo (or most dim sum places, for that matter), which could make for a more pleasant meal depending on what you're in the mood for.

              I haven't tried the West Lake soup at China Jen. I will have to put that on my list of things to try! I especially like their scallion pancakes--even cold the next day as leftovers.

              ~TDQ

              1. re: The Dairy Queen
                j
                JimGrinsfelder May 26, 2007 06:42 AM

                I've never understood the appeal of taro cakes. I've tried them in Boston, NYC, San Francisco, Chicago and Mpls. Mostly because I have friends who go nuts for them, but to me, they're just...crispy outside, gooey inside and mostly flavorless.

                Now the steamed buns with a little BBQ pork inside, those I would gladly kill for.

        2. Foureyes137 May 25, 2007 02:57 PM

          Big ups on the review. The key to great dim sum is turnover and a full dining room. The fact that Minneapolis has no Chinatown or Chinaburb or Chinese language public access channel might give one the impression that our market can't sustain this style of eating, which it can't and you learned the hard way.

          I love travelling to San Francisco and Seattle and I enjoy going to their Chinatowns to dim sum places every time we're out there, but I have come to the realization that trying to reproduce that experience here is simply not realistic. I've resigned myself to the hundreds of other good things I can get. I wish I could get great Korean here as well, but again, same problem.

          Now, Vietnamese food we have, and boy do we have it good IMO. I will continue to hope that native Chinese find a reason to flock here, until then, I'll be at Little Szechuan quietly dreaming about a warm bowl of chicken feet.

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          1. re: Foureyes137
            The Dairy Queen May 25, 2007 03:03 PM

            Actually, chicken feet is the one dish I've had at Jun Bo that I've consistently been delighted with, though, I'm certainly no expert on chicken feet. But, I've always found it very tasty.

            ~TDQ

            1. re: Foureyes137
              l
              L and R May 26, 2007 08:56 AM

              I agree that the overall quality of the Vietnamese restaurants here in the Twin Cities is the best among the various ethnic Asian cuisines. The one time my husband and I dined at the Wayzata Origami, after reading rave reviews about the restaurant, was so nauseating (due to the not so fresh fish, both raw and cooked and the soggy, overcooked rice) that I decided to abstain from Japanese restaurant food until I recovered from the experience.

              The Twin Cities have an interesting situation. Other than Vietnamese cuisine, the other Asian (and Middle Eastern according to a Syrian friend) cuisines just aren't authenic; additionally, the price is much more expensive when compared to other metropolitan cities. However, there is a plethora of wonderful gourmet restaurants: Vincent, 112, Cosmos, Chambers, etc. with excellent food that is on par with those in New York, San Francisco and elsewhere, but at a much lower price. Unfortunately, the service at these restaurants could be inconsistent.

              As for the taro cakes, they are more of a Taiwanese/Hawaiian dish rather than traditional dim sum cuisine and I would consider them as comfort instead of gourmet food. However, it all depends on how they are made, if they are really well seasoned and freshly pan fried, then I could tolerate them, otherwise, they are as Jim described, gooey and bland. The BBQ pork in the steamed buns is the char siu I mentioned in the chow fun. I prefer them in the baked fluffy pastry dough to the steamed buns but the filling is ultimately what counts. You could generally measure the quality of a Cantonese style restaurant by the roasted ducks, pigs and calamari hanging in their window. We found this wonderful place in London while we were visiting this past March, by following my husband's eyes and gut instinct. Best of all, the price was quite reasonable.

              1. re: L and R
                The Dairy Queen May 26, 2007 09:25 AM

                It was the hot-off-the griddleness of the cakes that I found appealing, compared with every other dim sum item that crossed my plate that morning at Mai Village which I didn't particularly care for. But, I have to confess, I just looked back at my notes from my Mai Village dim sum visit and it wasn't taro cake, but the pan fried radish cake I liked that morning. Either way, I haven't had a lot of experience with the various fried cakes at dim sum, radish or otherwise, even though I had at least monthy dim sum outings (for one 2-3 year stretch, nearly weekly) in San Francisco or NYC for many years. Either the fried cake dishes never caught my eye in the flurry of excitement, or I tried them and found them unmemorable. Actually, it was most likely that whoever was doing the ordering, usually not me because my Cantonese is, um, not great, didn't care for them much so they just flew under my radar. Tastes change, though, and for whatever reason, that morning at Mai Village, the radish cake was a pleasant standout in what was otherwise a very unremarkable meal.

                Jim, a couple of other folks that morning mentioned they liked the shrimp dumplings, too, at Mai Village, though my recollection was those fell short of my expectations.

                ~TDQ

                1. re: The Dairy Queen
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                  faith May 29, 2007 04:11 PM

                  On the topic of fried starchy savory 'cakes', one of my favorite things at Rainbow
                  Chinese is their turnip cake. And yes, the plain cake on its own is sort of like
                  pasta, not a ton of flavor, but it's what you do to it that makes it interesting, in
                  this case, the turnip cake is fried with eggs and has a really yummy dipping
                  sauce.

                2. re: L and R
                  Foureyes137 May 26, 2007 09:54 AM

                  The bottom line is that in order for a market to have "authentic" cuisine, there needs to be a sizable population of people from that area where this food is coming from to keep it that way. There are 20+ Thai restaurants around here and I highly doubt 5% of the people that eat there have been to Thailand or even care if it tastes like Thai food in Thailand. As a business it is in any restaurant's best interest to make a product that appeals to it's market, otherwise you get Minnesota's most authentic (closed) Hungarian Roasted Yackateria (as an example, man I wish this place existed).

                  I've been to Guangdong, most of the food there did not appeal to my palate. I tried, some of it was very good, but on the whole the cuisine was not to my liking. If I have what is indicative of an American palate, it might be best for a new Guangdongian restaurant to change a few things so that I would give them my money. If I want "authentic" anything, I figure I'm well served going to where-ever it originated.

                  1. re: Foureyes137
                    The Dairy Queen May 26, 2007 10:16 AM

                    I was very excited when Jun Bo came to town because the buzz was that they'd brought in chefs from San Francisco, Vancouver, and, I think, Hong Kong. But, clearly it takes more than just that.

                    I think we should be careful to avoid making assumptions about our fellow Twin Citieans and how many of them have been to Thailand (or whereever). I'll bet many Twin Citieans are better-traveled than many think. Having NWA as a hub is a giant help. Northwest Airlines, in its initial incarnation, was the first US carrier to have nonstop flights to China. Students from Edina High School are considered the best-travelled public high school students in the U.S. 40% of the kids in St. Paul's public schools right now describe themselves as Asian. I'm sure the reasons why there aren't good dim sum or Thai restaurants here are varied and complex but I'm not sure it's because no one has been to Asia.

                    ~TDQ

                    1. re: The Dairy Queen
                      Foureyes137 May 26, 2007 10:22 AM

                      I've been and 5% is being generous considering less than 1% of US residents have ever been off this continent. I am saying Twin Cities residents are 5 times more likely to have travelled than Joe American. I think it's reasonable to say that 150,000 people in the metro have left the country, my guess is that few of them go to Asia that are not from Asia.

                      While I look at my friends and know almost all of them travel for pleasure, I have no doubt that most people are not like us, and the more I learn about this country, the more I learn we are a minority (think marriage amendments and, you know, all politics).

              2. m
                MNLawGirl May 26, 2007 10:12 AM

                Jun Bo took over the old Chi Chi's and the building is just enormous. So its unfortunate only two seated tables were there because then you feel like no one likes this place. However, when I went during the lunch hour -it was almost packed. I agree the service is adequate if not poor and I had better dim sum in New York and San Francisco. However the dim sum was good enough for me to go again.

                As for Mandarin Kitchen - it is expanding and remodeling due to the high demands. I was at the city council meeting where the discussion was whether the minor expansion would cause traffic and parking problems since the restaurant is so popular. So if you want to go to a building completely opposite of Jun Bo where you know there are loyal fans - go to Mandarin.

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                1. re: MNLawGirl
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                  L and R May 29, 2007 03:40 PM

                  Thanks for the suggestion on Mandarin Kitchen. However, not knowing the name of the restaurant in Chinese, I just have to get over my reservations about trying dim sum in a restaurant named "Mandarin" since these are totally different styles of cooking.

                  1. re: L and R
                    The Dairy Queen May 30, 2007 12:29 PM

                    I, too, wondered how a restaurant called Mandarin Kitchen became know as the best dim sum in the Twin Cities. One of these days, (when they're done remodelling), I 'll haul myself across the river and find out for myself, but, yes, it does seem curious, does it not? Does this link help you at all (with the name of the restaurant in Chinese?)

                    http://www.mealmeal.com/main/member_m...

                    ~TDQ

                    1. re: The Dairy Queen
                      diesel May 30, 2007 02:47 PM

                      Hmm, the characters under "Mandarin Kitchen" mean "Chinese Restaurant," and the characters in the illustration next to "Mandarin Kitchen" mean "North Sea." Not very illuminating as far as this particular mystery goes! (Correct me if I'm wrong - I haven't used Chinese for quite some time!)

                      However, in the "about us" section they say they specialize in Cantonese cuisine, live seafood, and dim sum.

                      1. re: diesel
                        The Dairy Queen May 31, 2007 03:29 AM

                        "Chinese restaurant," eh? Doesn't really clear much up, does it?

                        Also, Jun Bo has a website, which I hadn't realized before. Here's the link:

                        http://www.jun-bo.com/about.htm

                        ~TDQ

                2. k
                  KTFoley May 30, 2007 02:20 PM

                  Did folks notice minka's update on Yangtze in the other thread?

                  http://www.chowhound.com/topics/125266

                  Perhaps worth trying out again?

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                  1. re: KTFoley
                    The Dairy Queen May 30, 2007 02:38 PM

                    Interesting. The place in St. Louis Park? http://www.yangtze.us/ Yet another place that self-describes as specializing in Mandarin and Szechuan cuisine offering dim sum...

                    ~TDQ

                  2. c
                    churchka May 31, 2007 08:22 AM

                    Has anyone eaten off of the "Traditional Chinese" Menu? There are some very tasty sounding things on it, and I'm curious if it is worth the trip. Duck tounges? Might be tasty.

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                    1. re: churchka
                      The Dairy Queen May 31, 2007 09:35 AM

                      Where, at Jun Bo? Yes, I have. All my comments about Jun Bo are either relative to the traditional (red dot) menu or to their dim sum. I've never tried anything off of the tother menu.

                      ~TDQ

                    2. katebauer Apr 7, 2008 01:58 PM

                      Bumping this up because my mother in law is in town and my husband suggested Jun Bo tonight to introduce her to dim sum. Does any one know about the quality/quantity of dim sum in the evenings? I seem to recall Danny had eaten there several times in one weekend, perhaps one of those was in the evening? :)

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                      1. re: katebauer
                        The Dairy Queen Apr 7, 2008 02:47 PM

                        I've been in the evening. If you can order it from the menu get them to make it for you fresh, that's when it will likely be best. You can call ahead and ask them what time they stop serving from the carts and see what they say. If they are serving from the carts, during the window you plan on going, then try to time it so you go at the busiest time. Truth be told, though, dim sum isn't an evening meal.

                        Have fun showing your mother-in-law around. I wish we had better weather for her!

                        ~TDQ

                        1. re: katebauer
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                          soupkitten Apr 7, 2008 02:49 PM

                          http://www.chowhound.com/topics/483427

                          the link has some posts on "weekday" dim sum at jun bo. if it was my family member, and they were staying over the weekend, i'd maybe try mandarin kitchen's weeked dim sum (morning)-- otoh they get really crowded, and loud, if you get there later, toward noonish-- might be overwhelming if it is her first dim sum experience. hope you get more responses in time to decide!

                          1. re: soupkitten
                            katebauer Apr 7, 2008 02:54 PM

                            Thanks for the thoughts. Unfortunately, she's leaving tomorrow and we are trying to find someplace in Richfield to have dinner tonight, since my husband has a meeting down there. We might still go ahead with Jun Bo and do some custom orders because there's not really a lot of other options that she would be extremely open to down there.

                            1. re: katebauer
                              The Dairy Queen Apr 7, 2008 02:58 PM

                              Kate, I think Jun Bo would be a fine introduction to dim sum for someone who has never tried it. Is it the world's best dim sum? No, but, really, it is fine given the limitations you're under with timing and location etc.

                              Another possibility (and I haven't been there myself)--it's not dim sum--what about Aribel's that Danny has posted about? That could be fun and different and not too far from your husband's meeting, I think...

                              ~TDQ

                              1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                The Dairy Queen Apr 7, 2008 02:59 PM

                                Link to Aribel's post http://www.chowhound.com/topics/440061 It's also in Richfield.

                                ~TDQ

                              2. re: katebauer
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                                soupkitten Apr 7, 2008 02:59 PM

                                oh crud. well what do i know, i haven't tried evening dim sum there, maybe it will be great! let us know how is, if you go-- it would be cool to have dim sum sometime when it was not so crowded, and, morning, and stuff.

                          2. d
                            doraji Apr 8, 2008 09:25 AM

                            Wow, this is an old post. :) While I'm by no means a dim sum expert, my favorite is still Mandarin Kitchen although the location and the crowds make it less appealing. I just got around to trying out Yangtze in St. Louis Park this past weekend and I was really impressed. It was nearly empty when I was there but the dim sum was delicious and while not as good as MK, I had a nice experience. With good service, good location, and decent dim sum, it may replace MK as my dim sum destination of choice when I don't feel like driving.

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                            1. re: doraji
                              The Dairy Queen Apr 8, 2008 09:35 AM

                              You're right--it's an older post, though it doesn't sound like things have changed much based on this more current report (Feb 2008) http://www.chowhound.com/topics/48582....

                              I think this old thread got bumped by KateBauer because she was specifically looking for a place to have dim sum on a weekday evening. I hope it turned out well for her and hope she reports back. In the meantime, it's good to have updated reports on MK and Yangtze. doraji, do either of those places offer dim sum on weekdays? And if so, on weekday evenings? As far as I know--but I most certainly could be wrong-- Jun Bo is the only place that offers dim sum on weekday evenings. I know "Relax" offers dim sum on weekdays, but I don't know if that's just during the day or into the evening also....

                              ~TDQ

                              1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                d
                                doraji Apr 8, 2008 10:17 AM

                                No, I don't believe they offer dim sum during the weekdays. Yangtze for sure is the standard weekend only 10 am - 2 pm dim sum. While it's probably not the most convenient time for most people, for me personally, I think it would feel strange ordering dim sum off a menu. It's sort of nice to pick food from the cart and even ordering certain dishes to order from the cart servers seems more casual and fun.

                                Regarding Jun Bo, do they really sell Corona in a bucket and if not, are they ever planning on getting rid of that sign from Chi Chi's? :)

                                1. re: doraji
                                  The Dairy Queen Apr 8, 2008 10:31 AM

                                  I, too, agree that it is more fun to pick dim sum off the cart, than a menu, but I most certainly would not pass up great dim sum simply because they didn't use the carts. One of my favorite dim sum places (not in the Twin Cities, alas) is an order-off-the-menu place.

                                  RE: Jun Bo in particular, there becomes a point in the day where I'd prefer to order off the menu than the carts. That point is when the place isn't busy enough to, in my opinion, to require them to replenish the cart constantly and, therefore, what's rolling around in the carts isn't as hot and fresh by the time it gets to you. I know that dim sum is primarily not an evening meal, so, I do have a preference for dim sum during "brunch'ish" hours because I believe that you'll get the freshest and greatest variety of food. At any dim sum place, I think you're often better ordering off the menu at a weird time of day than ordering off the cart at the tail-end of weekend brunch service...

                                  I'm one of those people who can pretty much eat any food--as long as its delicious--any time of day. I'm not a purist that way.

                                  My first visit to Jun Bo was one evening at about 9pm. (I don't now remember whether it was a weekend or a weekday...). We were in the neighborhood and I wanted to try it. That was one of those occasions where I stopped choosing things off the cart and started asking for things that I was pretty sure they wouldn't have on the carts so it would have to be made (or at least heated) fresh for me.

                                  ~TDQ

                                2. re: The Dairy Queen
                                  katebauer Apr 8, 2008 10:48 AM

                                  We did end up going to Jun Bo last night and ordered several dim sum items off the menu in addition to 2 entrees. We got the shrimp dumplings, Szechwan (?) soup dumplings, steamed pork buns, beef in rice paper (the steamed ones, not sure that's the right name), and sesame balls. Everything was extremely hot, fresh, and tasty. For entrees we got the baby bok choy in garlic sauce and the pig and tofu hot pot. The bok choy was absolutely delicious and I really enjoyed the tofu in the hot pot. The pork wasn't exactly to my liking, but I don't think that was due to it being cooked incorrectly or anything. Service was extremely friendly and attentive. If you don't mind being the only people in a huge restaurant, I do recommend heading to Jun Bo in the evening for dim sum off the menu.

                                  1. re: katebauer
                                    d
                                    doraji Apr 8, 2008 11:30 AM

                                    Good to hear Kate. Thanks for the recap. If I ever have a mid-week dim sum craving that won't go away, I'll know where to go.

                                    1. re: katebauer
                                      The Dairy Queen Apr 8, 2008 11:38 AM

                                      Wonderful! I'm glad it all worked out. Thank you for reporting back.

                                      ~TDQ

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