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I'll drink Merlot and you'll like it!! Top CA MR's.

ellaystingray May 19, 2007 06:50 PM

Eugene and Bill's exchange about the Beringer Howell Mtn. "Bancroft Ranch" merlot in the Spectator Grand Tasting thread got me thinking about the 94's and 95's I have sitting in the cellar. Then I got to thinking about all the time I've spent defending certain producers of this grape. I suppose it is unavoidable that some one will say that no merlots are any good--especially the ones from California--so we'll just have to deal with that but it's my mouth and I'll put in it what I want.

While it is always alluring to go to Pomerol/St. Emilion or Italian's like Masseto and Lamaione, let's keep this thread to California.

Below are my favs from California (in no particular order), what are yours?

Beringer Howell Mountain "Bancroft Ranch"
Arrowood Reserve
Sterling "Three Palms"
Duckhorn "Three Palms"
Swanson
Blackstone (just kidding)

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    tdo ca May 19, 2007 09:30 PM

    Pride

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      Elvis Goldberg May 19, 2007 09:44 PM

      Paloma.

      Agree with Pride, especially the Mountaintop Vintner Select.

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        whiner May 20, 2007 05:13 AM

        Yep.

        Pride Mountaintop Vintner Select is great, my favorite. I'm not certain that it is wine or if Foley just throws Snickers in a blender. It is basically Foley being honest about what he does and just going for the jugular. I'm not actually a fan of his style, but the wine is so opulent and honest about what it is, that I have to give it 'props'

        Paloma is my favorite of the ones that are varietally correct.

        Behrens and Hitchkock makes a decent one, too.

        I guess I think Spring Mountain is a good place to grow the grape.

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          RCC May 20, 2007 11:07 AM

          Yes. I'm first to admit that the Pride Mountaintop Select Merlot are as milkshake as a wine can get. But, vintage in and out, I like them for what they are.

          Paloma, too, have been very good with their merlot.

          I agree too, that, mountain-grown fruit seems to make better merlot than the valley ones.

          1. re: whiner
            ibstatguy May 20, 2007 03:05 PM

            B&H has now been renamed Erna Schein as Hitchcock has been bought out.
            Keenan makes a decent merlot as well.

        2. 2top May 20, 2007 06:48 AM

          How about Washington State?
          L'Ecole No 41.

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            chickstein May 20, 2007 07:17 AM

            I have to agree with 2top. I LOVE Northstar Merlot.

            But for California:
            Arrowoood
            Beringer Howell Mtn
            Duckhorn
            Pride
            Pine Ridge Crimson Creek

            1. re: chickstein
              ellaystingray May 20, 2007 10:37 AM

              Nice call on the Northstar. I almost always like anything Jed Steele is involved with.

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                chickstein May 20, 2007 02:39 PM

                I forgot one that I really love Pahlmayer. Whitehall Lane doesn't suck either!

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                  Bill Hunt May 20, 2007 05:25 PM

                  Ah yes, the Pahlmayer! Thanks for jogging the old memory.

                  Whitehall Lane went down, but seems to have come back up. The recent ones still don't quite "do it for me," like the '80s offerings did, but I think that there have been several management & winemaker changes, so maybe they will continue on an upward note.

                  Hunt

              2. re: 2top
                TonyO May 20, 2007 07:18 AM

                Owen Roe always delivers a great wine.

              3. ibstatguy May 20, 2007 11:15 AM

                blankiet; havens (reserve); paradigm

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                  ellaystingray May 20, 2007 10:32 PM

                  Another good call with the Havens. Yes.

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                    The Dive Jun 8, 2007 05:02 PM

                    Love the Havens

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                    Beach Chick May 20, 2007 03:12 PM

                    My fav's are Rombauer & Joseph Phelps..

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                      cocktailqueen77 May 20, 2007 03:19 PM

                      Merryvale, for a decent price range

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                        cocktailqueen77 May 20, 2007 03:25 PM

                        '03 Etude
                        '03 Paradigm
                        '03 Twomey

                        For the over $40 range, trying to think if there is any good Merlot coming from the coastal areas

                    2. Bill Hunt May 20, 2007 05:23 PM

                      I know (intimately) #s 1, 2, 4 & 5 (though only older vintages of 5). I have not had anything recent from Swanson, so don't know what they are up to now.

                      I'd add Milat (Napa) as a good Merlot producer, and like the Sullivan (Napa), though it needs more years, than the Beringer. Both Jos. Phelps and Groth do nice, slightly lower-end CA Merlots, that I enjoy.

                      I think that the biggest problem with CA Merlots is the great quantity of mediocre, to just plain bad ones, that have been produced, and over-marketed. When it became the "darling" of the wine-buying public, every accountant in CA urged their clients to rip out everything, and plant Merlot. Many did, overcropped, and made an ocean of unmemorable wines. Quite a few producers held their line, and continuted to put some soul into their Merlots. I think that the biggest problem was that too many consumers just could not tell the difference, or maybe liked the lower-end plonk. Who knows?

                      When in the hands of a vineyard owner, and a winemaker, who really know and care, it can produce some excellent wine. I have no problem with the ones, that I know, on the list so far. In general, I might spontaneously grab some of those producers' Cabs first, I still enjoy the Merlots.

                      However, it is not a varietal that I will gravitate to at a event, finding the usual offering Cab (however poor), a better representation, than the Merlots. Lately, in this lineup, I've seen more Syrahs, and fewer of those have been poor, although not excellent, and often the best choice of a red.

                      Hunt

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                        rickym13 May 20, 2007 06:00 PM

                        calif merlot that i love and own

                        paloma
                        pride
                        pahlmeyer (96'/-99')
                        switchback ridge
                        blankiet
                        b & h

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                        zin1953 May 21, 2007 07:08 AM

                        Storrs Merlot (San Ysidro AVA, rather than their Central Coast bottling) is superb, year in and year out.

                        But generally speaking, I prefer Washington State: Andrew Will, L'Ecole No. 41, Northstar, Pepper Bridge, Seven Hills . . . .

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                          rickym13 May 21, 2007 10:57 AM

                          if you are including WA. quilceda creek should be on that list

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                          Wineman May 21, 2007 11:16 AM

                          Those that I have had lately (not being a big merlot fan) are:
                          Murphy-Goode - Alexander Valley (02 I think) and Robert Young Vineyard. I thought the RY was fabulous.
                          Arrowood Duckhorn Rombauer all three quite good.
                          I think my favorite has been the 2001 Rutherford Hill Merlot Napa Valley. It drinks more like a Cab. Fruit, cedar, chocolate. Very nice.

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                            rickym13 May 21, 2007 01:59 PM

                            also need to add these to the list for best merlot in calif..not cheap but good!

                            corte riva merlot
                            venge family resrv merlot
                            etude merlot

                          2. Eugene Park May 21, 2007 04:02 PM

                            My CA merlot faves:

                            1. Pahlmeyer - love this stuff, and it cellars admirably
                            2. Beringer Bancroft Ranch - very good, cellars well, just not as consistently great IMO as Pahlmeyer
                            3. Duckhorn - reliably good, but not worth the price like Pahlmeyer & BBR are IMO

                            Out of state, I had the Northstar served at my engagement dinner in February. Great for the price, and what I'd ideally open if I needed to serve more than a few bottles of merlot to a gathering.

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                              rpang May 30, 2007 01:10 PM

                              I love Keenan Merlots, both their Napa Valley and Carneros designation.

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                                jonasblank Jun 8, 2007 12:42 PM

                                Any opinions on Twomey? I believe they are Silver Oak's Merlot label.... I visited their tasting room and liked the wine, but I'm no merlot expert....

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                                1. re: jonasblank
                                  ellaystingray Jun 8, 2007 01:14 PM

                                  Twomey is wholly owned by Ray Duncan and Silver Oak is owned by both Duncan and Justin Meyer. And, it is yummy. I should have included it on my orignal list.

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                                    Bill Hunt Jun 8, 2007 04:37 PM

                                    Is the Meyer family still involved in Silver Oak. I had heard, that upon Justin's death, they were most likely to sell their stake. Never did hear the final on that though.

                                    Hunt

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                                      Midlife Jun 9, 2007 11:42 AM

                                      Bill, the Silver Oak site confirms that the Duncans bought out Justin Meyer sometime in the last few years and are now sole owners. I frequently hear that as a reason when people talk about a 'decline' in Silver Oak. There are many who disagree though.

                                      1. re: Midlife
                                        Bill Hunt Jun 9, 2007 07:23 PM

                                        Thanks for the update. I read so much material, and only seem to remember little pieces of it. I feel that the decline came at about the '98-99 vintage, somewhere. I do not know the exact chronology, but a new winemaker was brought in. He went to several sourced vineyards and demanded that they do things "his way." A lot of handshake deals for years, fell by the wayside, as he instructed the vineyard owners exactly how they would change their operations to suit him, since he was Silver Oak. One lot that he lost was Milat - the eucalyptus element in the SO Napa. They had worked with Mr Meyer for years, and had grown the grapes their way, suppyling SO with great berries, year in and year out. Other sources pulled out, and either sold elsewhere, or started doing their own wines.

                                        The last SO, that I really liked, was their atypical Napa '97. Oh, they are not bad wines, but just not what I associated with SO. The upside, is that several vineyards in the Oakvlle/Napa area are now doing their own wines from those grapes.

                                        Hunt

                                        1. re: Bill Hunt
                                          ibstatguy Jun 9, 2007 09:44 PM

                                          iseem to recall a good article about Justin in either the LA Times or SF Chron within the last few months

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                                            ellaystingray Jun 10, 2007 01:27 PM

                                            I am meeting with Silver Oak next week and I'll provide the real story straight from the horses mouth......

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                                              Eugene Park Jun 26, 2007 11:19 PM

                                              So what's the horse's story? Lot of people are curious!!

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                                                ellaystingray Jul 7, 2007 10:25 AM

                                                Sorry for the late response, the meeting didn't go as well as expected so I kinda put it out of my mind. lol. The Duncans are the sole owners now of both Silver Oak and Twomey.

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