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eateryrow May 11, 2007 03:15 PM

Okay outer-borough folks. What non-Manhattan, burger-specific place has the best burger? ie: not a diner or restaurant. But a place that might compete with BRGR or BLT Burger or Burger Joint. Do any even exist outside Manhattan? Personally, I don't know of any. Thanks to any who can help me on my mini-quest to find the best outer-borough burger place.

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    orzabelle May 11, 2007 04:32 PM

    donovan's, of course!

    1. Cheese Boy May 11, 2007 06:29 PM

      Some say Horgan's (in Sunnyside) for burgers and pints ... It's on my list of places to visit.

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        Budino May 11, 2007 07:14 PM

        Bonnie's, on 5th Ave in the Slope, holds a tie with Burger Joint for our favorite.

        1. Puppimus May 11, 2007 07:52 PM

          Schnack on Union and Columbia. The "Best Deal" burger (that's what it's called) is 4 small patties smothered with American cheese, bacon, lettuce and tomato, and it is AWESOME.

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            frankbooth May 11, 2007 08:39 PM

            Bonnie's Grill

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              elecsheep9 May 12, 2007 05:41 AM

              Gotta put in another vote for Bonnie's Grill.

              A batch of fresh wings, a cheeseburger, and a cold Rheingold and I'm in artery blocking heaven.

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                yuriwebboy May 12, 2007 06:00 AM

                ditto for Bonnie's . . .

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              Mike V May 12, 2007 06:34 AM

              I've never been but I've read some great reviews about Joe's Best Burger on Main Street, Flushing. Do a search.

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                noodles May 12, 2007 10:57 AM

                Boonies is great. But I think the oft overlooked DuMont Burger in Billyburg is a sure bet. Mean, c'mon, it has 'burger' in the name of the joint. Great stuff here.

              2. eateryrow May 12, 2007 11:25 AM

                Bonnie's seems to be winning here. A friend at work voiced her love of DuMont.

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                  david sprague May 12, 2007 11:34 AM

                  Bonnie's makes a pretty good burger, but the place is not even close to challenging Donovan's supremacy. medium rare or rare, with raw onion...donovan's is pure heaven!

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                    Mike V May 12, 2007 12:28 PM

                    I agree that Donovan's is pure Heaven. However, the best Burger I've had (only served at Lunch) is Rouge French Bistro in Forest Hills. Prime meat burger served on a jumbo English Muffin with Gruyere Cheese, vine ripe tomatoes and thin sliced raw onion with a side of awesome french fries (or you can have a salad). Its served with a fabulous ketchup (not in a bottle) and Dijon Mustard. I hope they're still in business and serving these Burgers. This was a while back and I've never forgotten this Burger Lunch.

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                      Swedish Meatballer May 13, 2007 02:53 PM

                      They are still in business and most nights you can get the burgers for dinner too.

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                  BigV May 12, 2007 12:40 PM

                  I'm doing a burger tour myself right now, both in NY and LA (as I go to LA a lot). I am not a fan of Donovan's b/c they use sirloin for their burgers and that is not my preferred type of ground beef, although if you like sirloin by all means go for it. I'll suggest 3 places in no particular order:

                  Joe's Best Burger, Flushing
                  Lounge 47, Long Island City (it's a bit foofier than a burger stand place but it's good)
                  Cheeburger Cheeburger, Port Washington (it's a chain and it's Long Island not NYC, but it was a good burger and I hear if you like milkshakes, you'll be even happier.)

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                    byrd May 14, 2007 02:07 PM

                    cheeburger, cheeburger, etc. is automaticaly disqualified as they will not cook a burger below medium temperature.

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                      BigV May 14, 2007 08:18 PM

                      I guess the folks at Cheeburger Cheeburger won't be holding their breath for your return. Fortunately for them, there are a few folks who prefer their burger cooked medium rather than medium rare.

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                        Woodside Al May 14, 2007 10:09 PM

                        Yes, but why won't they cook a burger the way their customers want? Just to make it easier on the kitchen staff? Or is there a problem with meat quality? I've run into this there, and in some other places too, and agree with the above poster that it's infuriating. It definitely removes that restaurant from consideration as a place that's serious about making a top-flight burger.

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                          hatless May 30, 2007 07:24 PM

                          Well, that and the way all but the smallest patty at Cheeburger Cheeburger ends up tasting boiled. Bigger is better my foot.

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                      stuartlafonda May 15, 2007 07:20 AM

                      Joe's Best Burger is pretty good, and to my taste almost identical to the nearby and newly opened Five Guy's in College Point. A very good fast food burger, but not as good as a Luger burger.

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                        johnk May 15, 2007 10:04 AM

                        Check out the review of Five Guy's on the Grub St. Blog of New York Magazine.
                        I'll be there this weekend!
                        JK

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                          stuartlafonda May 15, 2007 12:00 PM

                          A Hamburger Today(AHT) also has a review, and they really like the place.

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                            riverside Jul 1, 2007 06:42 PM

                            Five Guys is yet another place with well done only! Same with Joe's Best Burger. They're jokes.

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                            JackTheLurker Jun 5, 2007 08:21 AM

                            Agree 100%. As the guy who had the first JBB (Main St/Roosevelt Av) post on this board the day it opened in October 2005, and a guy who's eaten probably 50 JBB burgers since then (not much good non-Asian food in Flushing), I just don't see how JBB or 5 Guys (14th Av/132nd St) compare to the best traditional restaurant burgers like Lugers, Donovans etc.

                            No question JBB and 5 Guys are very good and far better than traditional fast food, but I'd choose a Donovan's burger instead anytime.

                            5 Guys does have great fries, though, fries that in my mind are on the list of the city's best. (As a side note, an order of fries at 5 Guys can easily be shared by 2-3 people.)

                        2. Woodside Al May 12, 2007 09:22 PM

                          Donovan's, Donovan's, Donovan's, and DuMont.

                          All better than Bonnie's, which only really shines in comparison to the truly dismal burger scene in Park Slope, Carroll Gardens, etc.

                          1. livetotravel May 13, 2007 01:32 PM

                            I just ate brunch once again at Stone Park Cafe and I would put their burger up against any in Brooklyn and on my top 10 for NYC. And their Short Rib slider at dinner is also among the best.

                            I also think Schnack on Union in Red Hook has great small burgers.

                            Bonnie's has been DOH'd for 3 days and was closed tight today.

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                              yuriwebboy May 13, 2007 02:22 PM

                              i also have had a GREAT burger at stone park. . .they also have six points on tap.

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                                brooklynr Jun 8, 2007 12:02 PM

                                La Guapa and I were just there last night -- we each had a burger at the bar, preceded by the sweet corn bisque (me) and the polenta starter (her). I gotta say, even at nine bucks that's quite a burger, among the best I've had in NYC. And, while I know the service at Stone Park has gotten dinged here on CH, I've never found it to be unpleasant, just a bit inattentive. Last night was no exception, but the exquisite Basil Hayden's Manhattan I ordered made it much more tolerable.

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                                  kraw Jun 21, 2007 07:25 AM

                                  Stone Park burgers are certainly the best in the Slope, no doubt about it. I'm a Chicago girl, and we're a beef-eatin', beef-lovin' town, and they get it sooo right. The Good Fork in Red Hook also get it right, with their own special spin: a bialy bun and tempura-fried onion rings. It's not for everyone, but the burger itself is perfectly seasoned and cooked to perfection. Nice and juicy and---damn, I'm hungry and it's not even 10:30. Anyway, not the kind of places you'd expect to get great burgers, but so it goes. Yum!

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                                bklyn_j May 13, 2007 04:24 PM

                                I have been on a bit of a burger binge of late. in the last two weeks I have eaten a cheeseburger cooked rare at Bonnies, Dumont Burg., R &B's, Bruckner Grill (Bx.). I have eaten all said burgers before, but I had a mission to discern a hierarchy in quality. I dined alone at the bar at all establishments. These are my findings:

                                Bonnies is so nice. I have prayed that the DOH wouldn't come by; it would be like shooting fish in a barrel. Their health certificate has a picture of the Dali Lama on it, for Pete’s sake. I've gotten take out a few times, but I recommend you eat there. I ordered a rare burger with cheddar and everything (let., tomatoes, onions, hot peppers and a mound of fries falling off the plate. Every condiment available, they offered mayo, and the fries were high quality. The cooks were drinking PBRs, it was sublime the way their tiny kitchen runs, feeding a packed house with three guys out in the open for everyone to see.

                                Bonnies came out on top, #1.

                                I can't say a bad word about any of the other places, Dumont is delicious. The bread is like challah, slightly toasted and nice draft beers. Sitting by the window, one half of the burger bun flew off in the wind (I'm a burger cutter, which there might exist some debate over but if it should ever make it’s own ch thread, my talking points are ready). The bartender was just so sweet about replacing it. Excellent burger with Bacon, blue cheese and a side salad worthy of any fine dining establishment.

                                I was skeptical on Rhythm and Booz at first. It's a working class bar with keno, bud, a nice menu of sandwiches and specials - it's not trying to be anything it's not. A neighborhood restaurant and bar (mets leaning - which is a big plus in my book). The burger is off the freaking hook. English muffin (not Thomas' style) bun and cooked to perfection. Good baseball talk at the bar, large group of regulars, real nice guys. As I was leaving and telling the owner how good the burger was, he bought me a beer and said I had to try the steak sandwich next, I told him that I wouldn't be able to - but maybe when I'm burgered out it might cross my mind. That was with bacon and cheddar and nice fries.

                                Bruckner is on the gentrified half block in the bronx near where I work. It’s run by a couple of Israeli dudes. It was good, not as visceral of an experience as the others but worth a trip. Very tasty.

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                                  CKOne May 31, 2007 06:27 AM

                                  Rhythm and Booz was a favorite of mine when I lived in that area. He had just started serving food and said he was modeling his burger on what the Corner Bistro used to be (before it was taken over by tourists).

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                                  NancyC May 14, 2007 09:42 AM

                                  I looove the Dumont burger, although the one at Relish is pretty tasty as well. Now that I live in Prospect Heights I've been enjoying the burger at Soda. It's HUGE but generally pretty juicy (a bit greasy), and really yummy with blue cheese and bacon.

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                                    julseydesign Jun 8, 2007 08:32 AM

                                    I totally agree! Soda has a great burger, and their fries are also top notch. However, their service is terrible. Go before you get hungry because even when its empty it takes a while. Sit out on the back patio, get a beer while you wait, and enjoy it! Its a big thick burger but perfectly cooked - nice crunchy sear on the outside and beautifully rare or medium rare inside. I also get it with blue cheese and bacon, I mean, if you want to be health conscious, don't go for a big ol' burger. Also their BLTs are really good, on a panini type bread.

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                                    ceeceee May 14, 2007 09:55 AM

                                    i must vote for donovan's too. it's juicy and perfect. i love the carmelized onions on top. mmm...

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                                      rezelscheft May 14, 2007 11:49 AM

                                      i really can't understand the love for bonnie's. when i escaped from Boston and moved to the slope last year i was thrilled to be so close to such a famously excellent burger joint. but i found it to be like almost every other burger i've had here in NYC -- a too big patty of low quality meat on an inadequate bun, lacking both in deliciousness and structural integrity.

                                      i found dumont's a rare exception to my bad nyc burger luck. the meat was good, but the patty was oddly spherical, making it hard to eat without making a mess.

                                      i'm still searching for a top notch burger in NYC, which i define as being anything like the gift from the heavens that is a burger from Burger Joint in SF (thin 1.4 lb. patty of niman ranch beef on a well-toasted sesame bun). i'm venturing out to stone park this minute, wishing for the best...

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                                        Bob Martinez May 14, 2007 01:15 PM

                                        "a too big patty of low quality meat on an inadequate bun, lacking both in deliciousness and structural integrity."

                                        The term "structural integrity" is usually reserved for aircraft components. As for Bonnie's burger, I've never had a problem with one falling apart on me.

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                                          terrier Jun 8, 2007 04:43 PM

                                          East coast burger vs. west coast burger.

                                          Personally, as a NY'er in exile out west, I'm sick of thin-patty burgers with fancy buns and fancy toppings.

                                          It's all about the fist-shaped wad of meat, still pink in the middle. Hold the toppings. Rhythm & Booze did a decent job - there and Bar Toto are my favorite outer-boro burgers. (Still nowhere near the best in town - touristy it may be but there is none higher than the Corner Bistro to this day.)

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                                            byrd Jun 9, 2007 09:42 AM

                                            there was a place i worked many moons ago that we used both thick and flat patties, thick for medium and below, flat for medium well and well, as this was way before the government must tell you how and when to eat era, the ratio of thick to flat was about four to one.

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                                          stuartlafonda May 14, 2007 01:50 PM

                                          The best burger in New York is the bacon cheeseburger at Luger's.

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                                            frankbooth May 14, 2007 01:55 PM

                                            there's a lot of truth to this... hard to beat the luger's burger rig... and that bacon... salivating...

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                                              MoxieBoy May 14, 2007 05:02 PM

                                              Lasttime I had a burger at Skinflint's (5th Ave at 79th St, Bay Ridge) it was still terriffic. But I remember the time back around 1982 when there was a fully-cooked cigarette butt in the french fries. No compensation. But the twenty five years somewhat killed the memories.

                                          2. eateryrow May 14, 2007 09:11 PM

                                            Well, I'm planning to do a burger-joint comparison for my blog. I'm new to all this (and pretty slow) but my hope in all this is that in the coming months I'll be able to go to one, maybe two a week, and try them out. But I want them to be as comparable as possible. So no major chains (au revoir Johnny Rockets), nothing outside NYC, and their focus should be on burgers without a diluted menu (ie: goodbye Jackson Hole). I know of a bunch in Manhattan that will have to be thinned down, and I see now that I might have to pick and choose with Brooklyn, too. I'd like a serious contender in Queens. Especially since I live here.

                                            I'll have to try the burger at Rouge MikeV mentioned, since I live down the block from them. But sadly, as a regular restaurant, they won't make the cut.

                                            And thanks to everyone so far who's written in. You have no idea how much this helps.

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                                              janie May 14, 2007 09:41 PM

                                              Have you tried George's befteki burger at Corfu on Austin street? It's great,..with tzaki sauce...........also, there were several posts about Cobblestone's down a bit on QB near to Kew Gardens and their good and inexpensive burger...

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                                                Woodside Al May 14, 2007 10:13 PM

                                                "I'd like a serious contender in Queens"

                                                I say again: Donovan's.

                                                Unless the presence of other items on their menu somehow disqualifies them. Which would be a strange reason to miss out on a really great burger.

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                                                  ceeceee May 15, 2007 08:27 AM

                                                  right, don't misss out on donovan's!! the burger is the star of their menu. the rest is standard pub grub i guess...i hardly ever look at the rest of it!

                                              2. eateryrow May 30, 2007 07:09 PM

                                                A quick update so far (mind you these are all Manhattan places, since I'm going after work), BRGR - pretty good. Zip Burger - pretty weak. BLT Burger - pretty damn good.

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                                                  bluishgnome May 31, 2007 04:50 AM

                                                  There's this place near my apartment called Spartan Souvlaki on 8th Ave & 69th Street in Brooklyn. I'm sure no one's even heard of the place, but this Greek restaurant serves one mean burger. Their "Big Greek Burger" cooked medium is served with a slice of feta cheese, red onion, lettuce & tomatoes, with fries on the side. The service is old Brooklyn, warm but not caring at the same time. The family that owns the restaurant has been there forever and it really is a neighborhood staple. If anyone ever ventures down this way, give it a try. They have a pig roast every Saturday during the summer.

                                                  And has anyone tried New York Burger Co. (on 6th & 21st)? I pass by it every so often but haven't had a chance to drop in. Gonna do so today!

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                                                    eateryrow Jun 1, 2007 02:34 PM

                                                    Yeahm I've been there a few times. They're good and have lots of sauce options, which is very nice. They're on the list.

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                                                    ChowDiva May 31, 2007 07:04 AM

                                                    I'll probably get harassed for this suggestion, but I really enjoyed the Kobe burger at Brooklyn Burger Bar in Park Slope. Everything else about this place was pretty terrible, but the burger was actually really great. Juicy and pink, good bun, the fries were good too. You may want to try it if you're looking for strictly burger joint burger. Though, people on CH hate it.
                                                    Bonnie's is great as is Luger's. I also like Skinflint's burger in Bay Ridge but I'm not sure if they're still around. That was one mean burger though.

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                                                      pepper Jun 1, 2007 11:30 AM

                                                      Best I had in Queens is the one I make on my barbeque in my yard.

                                                      I am baffled that people have to go to restaurants and pay inflated prices for a burger.

                                                      Get some ground chuck and mix in what you want and put it on the que or in your broiler and you're done. You also get to pick the cheese you want too.

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                                                        Polecat Jun 1, 2007 01:02 PM

                                                        can we assume then, that the party's at your place?

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                                                          pepper Jun 1, 2007 01:10 PM

                                                          Sure, Weber Genesis Silver, not the biggest, but I can deal.

                                                          Just need beverages.

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                                                          bluishgnome Jun 1, 2007 03:45 PM

                                                          Ditto to that! Good point, pepper.

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                                                            Brian W Jun 2, 2007 09:27 PM

                                                            Nothing personal but I never heard of anyone who grills burgers in their yard who didn't claim theirs was the best. My family's full of them and they are all seriously mistaken. I have never had a backyard burger that was anywhere near as good as Donovan's or even Big Nick's in Manhattan.

                                                            My father claimed to have the best burger recipe and he cooked them in NYC bars and national halls in the 1940's. Yet he too was seriously mistaken!

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                                                              hatless Jun 2, 2007 11:09 PM

                                                              If someone can't do better than those awful burgers at Big Nick's with a $30 charcoal grill and a bag of Kingsford, they're doing something very wrong. While I agree that not every backyard burger is what it's cracked up to be, I'm sorry your family has had such extreme difficulty in this regard.

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                                                                byrd Jun 3, 2007 02:31 AM

                                                                even some god knows what type of meat frozen patties between two slices of wonder bread with melted velveeta and acme ketchup cooked from somebody's backyard taste better than ninety percent of what's out there.
                                                                JMHO

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                                                                bluishgnome Jun 4, 2007 05:20 AM

                                                                Brian,
                                                                Maybe it's because most people who try to make backyard burgers are always trying to stuff it with an unholy slosh of spices, condiments, and gourmet ingredients in order to make their own recipe "unique." I've found that adding extra flavors to a burger usually has a big hand in destroying it as a final product.

                                                                Personally, I think my burgers usually are one of the best. Freshly ground sirloin + chuck, salt & pepper cooked on a cast iron skillet or on a grill to medium (not a big fan of med-rare.) Toasted kaiser roll, red onion, thin slice of tomato, some mayo & ketchup, pickles on the side... I think simplicity is king when it comes to burgers. Why would anyone try to hide the delicious beef flavor?

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                                                                  Cheese Boy Jun 4, 2007 08:35 AM

                                                                  You were describing the absolute perfect burger UNTIL you went and put mayo on it. Other than that, you were spot on.

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                                                                    bluishgnome Jun 4, 2007 07:45 PM

                                                                    Go mayo! Love it!!!

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                                                                      Cheese Boy Jun 5, 2007 07:18 AM

                                                                      Go cheddar! Love it!!!

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                                                                        bluishgnome Jun 5, 2007 05:15 PM

                                                                        Eck. Not a fan of cheese on burgers. Another layer to mask the greatness of beef. :P But to each his/her own. I'm a fan of cheddar. Go cheddar! (Just not on burgers.)

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                                                                    Brian W Jun 4, 2007 08:54 PM

                                                                    The only time I ever had a souped-up burger was at Jackson Hole around 1979. They used to make them with a pocket of Bernaise sauce in the center of what looked like a meatball. I would have eaten a Wendy's (shudder) rather than that monstrosity. All my backyard burger experiences have been with straight burgers and many by friends who are otherwise great cooks.

                                                                    Maybe it's the presence of kids that somehow turns them into hockey pucks. Kids love any burger cooked on a grill no matter how bad it is. The kid rating system always puts burgers on top so if you cook burgers don't ask the kids how they taste, they always taste good to them.

                                                                    Give me a Donovan's cheesburger, medium rare, slice of raw...Hey I had Donovan's fries last Thursday and they were the real thing with skin on them! Usually on a Saturday they have served frozen-from-the-bag "steak fries" in the past.

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                                                                  Stuartmc910 Jun 21, 2007 09:52 AM

                                                                  How true! Same goes fro me. I've tried most of the "best burgers in NYC" and find them all to be, well so-so. Someone gave us a gify certificate to P.J. Clarkes and thought I'd try their "famous" burger. It was acceptable, just. Home is where the best burgers are. When I dine out I want ssomething I can't get at home, ethnic for example.

                                                                3. bigmackdaddy Jun 1, 2007 08:49 PM

                                                                  Mr. Falafel makes a pretty good Egyptian cheeseburger. Alchemy makes a pretty decent burger as well. I'm not a fan of Bonnie's. Way over rated.

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                                                                    bluishgnome Jun 2, 2007 11:44 AM

                                                                    I'm a fan of their buffalo wings... I like the way they don't shy away when you ask for it *spicy*. Most places would just douse the wings with a gallon of the sauce, but Bonnie's actually gives you the tongue numbing spice you want without the nauseating glob of red spittle.

                                                                    And their burgers aren't bad. I actually like them and consider them somewhere high in my hamburger joint repertoire. What don't you like about it?

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                                                                    Fleur Jun 2, 2007 06:15 PM

                                                                    A pretty good Burger deluxe, a real Burger, freshly grilled with real Fries, Lettuce & Tomato can be found at Teresa's on Montague Street. I get mine medium, on a Toasted Roll. Under $5

                                                                    I don't think a FF place like 5 Guys can compete.

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                                                                      Cheese Boy Jun 2, 2007 07:08 PM

                                                                      Fleur, I'm due for a trip to the promenade. I'll remember to try this place as per your rec. TIA. Inexpensive for downtown Brooklyn [Montague St]. Wow!

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                                                                        Fleur Jun 3, 2007 02:44 AM

                                                                        For inexpensive, fresh, wholesome, home cooked food, Teresa's is very good. There is a lovely outdoor sidewlk cafe.

                                                                        Their Polish specialties are delicious, and the Burgers, Omelettes, Soups are good as well.

                                                                        Great for Breakfast, Lunch, or Dinner, especially Sunday Brunch.

                                                                        Enjoy, and report back !

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                                                                      ceeceee Jun 5, 2007 11:57 AM

                                                                      people complain about donovan's bun...but i love it. it practically melds to the meat...becoming one with it.

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                                                                        brickscoli Jun 7, 2007 08:01 PM

                                                                        BAR TOTO

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                                                                          equilibrist Jun 8, 2007 03:11 PM

                                                                          just to add another borough to the mix--The Cargo Cafe close to the Staten Island ferry used to have a decent bar burger, though I haven't been in a couple of years. As I recall they had an incredible lunch deal--a burger and fries (fries quite crispy and good, too, btw) AND a soda or draft beer for 5 bucks.

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                                                                          KateC. Jun 9, 2007 12:41 PM

                                                                          Here's a wacky suggestion: Try the grass-fed ground beef at Citarella (I think it's flown in from New Zealand or something -- it's something crazy like $16 a pound). I very loosely and lightly made a burger of this (no patting, no additions, no spices, no nothing) and cooked it in a frying pan on top of the stove. It should have been pretty mediocre cooked in a frying pan, but it was the best burger I've ever eaten. A colleague at work also tried it and loved it. I love Shake Shack too.

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                                                                            bobbystrange Jun 9, 2007 02:52 PM

                                                                            Letting the cat out of the bag - McReiley's Pub on Vernon Blvd. in Long Island City is my favorite in all 5 b's. Huge burger, great quality, nice staff. The quintessential burger and beer.

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                                                                              SuzyP Jun 21, 2007 07:35 AM

                                                                              McReilley's is the best for Irish comfort food! I love their soda bread, and their sheperd's and chicken pot pies. My only complaint is that they seem to deep fry their sausages.

                                                                            2. eateryrow Jun 28, 2007 01:33 PM

                                                                              Update:

                                                                              So having gone to Better Burger, burger joint at Le Parker Meriedien, BLT Burger, Brgr, NY Burger Co., Burgers and Cupcakes, Shake Shack, and Zip Burger, and with Blue 9 and Goodburger on the list, I've decided that my Brooklyn choices will be DuMont Burger, Schnack, and Brooklyn Burger Bar. My Queens ones will be Five Guys, Joe's Best, and Water Taxi Beach.

                                                                              There'll be more as I discover them.

                                                                              eateryrow.blogspot.com

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                                                                                Bob Martinez Jun 28, 2007 02:01 PM

                                                                                Brooklyn Burger Bar?

                                                                                There have been about 50 scathing reviews of this place since it opened and 2 positive ones.
                                                                                http://www.chowhound.com/topics/355662

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                                                                                  eateryrow Jun 28, 2007 02:07 PM

                                                                                  Yep.
                                                                                  I know.

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                                                                                    ceeceee Jun 28, 2007 06:21 PM

                                                                                    i'm really surprised you didn't put donovan's or stop inn on your list for queens! they're top on my list.

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                                                                                      Bob Martinez Jun 28, 2007 07:31 PM

                                                                                      Now I understand. It's the BizarroWorld burger recommendations you're looking for. Good is bad - bad is good.

                                                                                      In that case I recommend the diner near Cadman Plaza. Go late so you'll be served pre-cooked burgers which they then reheat. Served lukewarm and dry as a bone.

                                                                                      You should also check out Jackson Hole near Laguardia airport. There they put aluminum domes over the burgers as they're on the grill to make them cook faster. They come out gray and watery and don't even taste much like beef. Not to be missed.

                                                                                      At all costs avoid places like Bonnie's, Donovan's, and Waterfront Ale House. At those places the burgers are large, juicy, and perfectly cooked.

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                                                                                        eateryrow Jun 28, 2007 07:37 PM

                                                                                        Nuh Uh. I want good places, but I want burger places. Waterfront Ale House is a bar. I like it, but it's not the right category. Brooklyn Burger Bar may suck, but every so often a bar place is fun to check out, just to see if it really is that bad.

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                                                                                          eateryrow Jun 29, 2007 07:48 AM

                                                                                          I meant "every so often a BAD place is fun to check out, just to see if it really is that bad"

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                                                                                            ceeceee Jun 29, 2007 12:25 PM

                                                                                            im not understanding why you have the water taxi beach on there. i wouldn't consider that a burger place at all. it's just a "beach" bar that happens to have some food.
                                                                                            i've only had the hot dogs. they do the job when you're drunk..

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                                                                                              eateryrow Jul 1, 2007 06:49 AM

                                                                                              Someone told me it was a burger place. If I end up going and it's not, I just won't bother with it.

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                                                                                                missmasala Jul 1, 2007 11:29 AM

                                                                                                water taxi beach is run by the same guy as schnack and the burgers aren't as good as schnack. If you're going to schnack, I wouldn't bother with WTB.

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                                                                                                  eateryrow Jul 1, 2007 12:25 PM

                                                                                                  hmmm. good to know. thanks.

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                                                                                              ceeceee Jun 29, 2007 12:29 PM

                                                                                              oh ok...i got a bad place for you! alpha donuts on QB in sunnyside, people ove it at 4am. you have to check it out! nasty. the cook/waiter whatever reheated french fries and put them on my plate with his bare hands. haha...and i ate cause it was the wee hours of the morning and i just didn't care...

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                                                                                                Woodside Al Jun 29, 2007 02:09 PM

                                                                                                You actually ate something other than a donut at Alpha? Ewwww...

                                                                                                Still, their donuts are great.

                                                                                                Horgan's across the street there on Queens Blvd. has good burgers (but, for some reason, the OP isn't interested in good burgers that come from a bar...). That NY Eats place down the block from Alpha is OK for burgers too (but I'd rather go to Stop Inn).

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                                                                                      Clinton Hiller Jun 29, 2007 06:54 AM

                                                                                      Have you tried 67 Burger (or Burger 67) in Ft. Greene? Not bad for a quick non-"gourmet" burger

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                                                                                        eateryrow Jun 29, 2007 07:47 AM

                                                                                        I have not. I'll toss it on the list. Thanks.

                                                                                    3. bex Jun 29, 2007 07:50 AM

                                                                                      Helios - a greek place in North Slope (6th Ave / St Marks) has amazing burgers: they start with a fresh toasty challah bun, big red tomoato slice, perfectly grilled red onions and crisp lettuce. Their Lamb burger and Veggie Burgers are great too!

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                                                                                        redgirl Jun 29, 2007 03:19 PM

                                                                                        yeah...i just hate eating in a cave tho. good burgers. often awful service.

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                                                                                        jdross19 Oct 14, 2007 12:22 PM

                                                                                        Best Burger experience of my life - Stand on 12th St (West Village). Just incredible. You MUST get the Bacon and Egg Burger, with a Toasted Marshmallow Milkshake, side of Onion Rings. Just unbelievable - Heaven.

                                                                                        1. BoboBx Oct 14, 2007 09:06 PM

                                                                                          A vote for Pipers Kilt in the Bronx

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                                                                                            etowernyc Oct 15, 2007 07:04 AM

                                                                                            My vote is for the kobe beef burger with melted gruyere at Melt, on Bergen St. If you sit at the bar it's $10 (as opposed to $17!!) and it is the best, juiciest burger I've ever had. I usually go for something a little more basic (bonnie's, great jones, veselka are my other nyc faves), but to me they pale in comparison. If you like your burger medium well or well done, though, don't bother - it'll be like any other well done burger.

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                                                                                              dark knight Oct 15, 2007 08:05 AM

                                                                                              I love Donovan's but I think Dumont is better. I'm a big fan of the ciabatta bun you get on the mini. I've never had a home cooked/grilled burger as good as a Dumont burger. My picks (I haven't had Luger's and I'm not much of a fan of Stone Park's):

                                                                                              1. Dumont
                                                                                              2. Donovan
                                                                                              3. Bonnie's (I wonder if I would have ranked it higher if I hadn't eaten so many after living nearby for a long time.)
                                                                                              4. Stone Park

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                                                                                                HaveTasteWillTravel32 Oct 16, 2007 10:25 AM

                                                                                                Classic, burger as it has been and always will be type of burger...

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                                                                                                  citygrrl2000 Oct 19, 2007 01:10 PM

                                                                                                  O'Sullivans in Bay Ridge and Juniors in Downtown Brooklyn.

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                                                                                              ceeceee Oct 18, 2007 10:37 AM

                                                                                              so, in your opinion....what was the best burger?

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                                                                                                xariana Nov 6, 2007 10:16 PM

                                                                                                Sorry to sorta necro-bump this, but I just wanted to say that I decided to check out Bonnie's after reading this thread and was very very pleased. Maybe not a surprise to you folks. But - I'm a vegetarian. The veggie burger was very tasty and had that soft homemade feel to it (as opposed to how most places give me a frozen gardenburger). My meat-eating dining companion, who isn't generally that interested in food, reacted as I've never seen him react to food before (extremely positively)... we can't wait to go back.

                                                                                                About the only bad thing - I'd avoid the cole slaw. It wasn't bad, it just wasn't particularly good, either. But then again, it did come in handy to cool off the grilled-jalapeno slow-burn feeling in my mouth...

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