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MsFishpaw May 10, 2007 02:17 PM

Hi ~ a co-worker is moving to Sheboygan, WI (from Seattle, WA). He's a doctor who has pretty sophisticated tastes. I was thinking that a good send-off gift would be a gift certificate to a great restaurant nearby: something special, scenic (on the Lake?), not necessarily "trendy" but good food, with a nice, welcoming atmosphere. No real budget limitations. Sorry this is a little vague, but I have NO idea what is there. Please help with ideas!

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    FishMPLS RE: MsFishpaw May 10, 2007 03:23 PM

    The best food I have ever had in my life came in the form of a bratwurst at The Charcoal Inn in Sheboygan. But it's not fancy at all.

    1. nsxtasy RE: MsFishpaw May 10, 2007 03:40 PM

      I travel to Sheboygan frequently, and I've been to most of the better restaurants there.

      I think Margaux is exactly what you're looking for. Read my report about my recent spectacular dinner there in this topic:
      www.chowhound.com/topics/397288
      I can't tell you enough about how wonderful it was. It was fantastic!

      I am not sure whether Margaux has gift certificates available, but I seem to recall seeing something at the entrance that said that they did; you will have to contact them to find out for sure. (It doesn't say anything on their website or on the flyer I took with me.) You'll find contact info on their website at www.dinemargaux.com

      Sheboygan seems to be an interesting town, kind of transitioning from a not-so-great blue-collar town to a resort town with upscale amenities. You can find out more information on the Sheboygan County Chamber of Commerce website at www.sheboygan.org

      Here are the best restaurants in the area, in order based on my personal opinion about them:

      1. Margaux. Spectacular. See link above to my recent report. www.dinemargaux.com

      2. For "fine dining", in addition to Margaux, there are Biro and O, which are owned/run by Marcel Biro, who also has/had a cooking show on public television. Creative cuisine, and pretty good, but I think the food at Margaux is much better. More info on their website at www.birointernationale.com

      3. The American Club is a big, expensive ($400 plus per night) resort in Kohler, near Sheboygan, and it has several restaurants. Upscale, nice, and pretty good, but very conventional. www.destinationkohler.com/restaurants...

      4. 52 Stafford, a combination Irish pub, upscale restaurant, and bed and breakfast in Plymouth. www.irishinnsandtours.com/stafford_la...

      5. Seabird, a decent seafood restaurant in the recently-developed waterfront development on Lake Michigan. I see from their website that they have added a wine and tapas bar since I was last there. www.weissgerbers.com/seabird

      6. Bruce's, in Elkhart Lake. American food. www.brucesofelkhart.com

      7. Richard's, an American restaurant in nearby Sheboygan Falls. www.richardsoffalls.com

      8. CityStreets, an American restaurant (prime rib, etc), also in the recently-developed waterfront development on the lake (but has been there a while longer than some of the others).

      9. Thai Cafe Restaurant - Pretty good Thai food, not at all fancy though. www.sheboyganthaicafe.com

      All of these restaurants are pretty good. The dining scene there is much better than you would typically expect in a county with just over 100,000 people. And, of course, it's only 45 minutes from Milwaukee, with its vibrant food scene.

      I haven't mentioned the Osthoff, which is a resort in Elkhart Lake. In my visits there, some times they have had their restaurant open, while others they have only had food available there for room service and banquets. www.osthoff.com Other places I've tried include Nino's Steak Roundup (steakhouse, www.foodspot.com/ninos ), Brisco County Wood Grill (American food www.briscocountywoodgrill.com ), and the Depot (a steakhouse in Plymouth); these are okay, but I don't think they're as good as the ones I've listed above. Also, Il Ritrovo specializes in Neopolitan pizza and is one of ~20 places in the country certified to do so by the Verace Pizza Napoletana Association, but I have not been there. (Sorry, but the deep-dish pizza is so good at home in Chicago that I never eat pizza when I'm out of town.)

      As you can probably tell from what I've written, I am tremendously impressed with Margaux. You can't go wrong by contacting them about getting your friend a gift certificate. He'll be really impressed with such a great place right in town, much more so IMHO than for the other places I've listed. Not that they're bad - they're all pretty good, like I said - but Margaux is just WONDERFUL.

      HTH

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        MsFishpaw RE: nsxtasy May 10, 2007 04:44 PM

        Wow ~ thanks for the wealth of information! Margaux sounds perfect. I will contact them, but also save the details on the others to give him. Do you think $200 would be a good amount (on the generous side) for dinner for two including wine, tax and gratuities? There's nothing like a great dining experience to ease the transition! (He's originally from Chicago, so he's looking forward to returning to the Midwest.)

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          nsxtasy RE: MsFishpaw May 10, 2007 05:02 PM

          Yes, $200 is on the generous side. For dinner, I spent $60 there last year, and $70 this year, including tax and tip, but no alcoholic beverages.

          As I mentioned in my report, I live in Chicago, and Margaux compares well with the best of the many casual fine dining restaurants here. I'm sure he'll love it!

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          twistnolive RE: nsxtasy Nov 19, 2007 05:56 PM

          Knowing lots of "Hounds" refer to these pages long after the original info is posted, having eaten all over Sheboygan County for years here's a few real hidden gems for anyone going to the area. In Sheboygan if you are looking for a great sandwich or the town's best Friday "fish fry" try Gosse's at the Northwestern House, 1909 Union Ave, Sheboygan, WI. If you find this place, you will be the only non-local there. And remember they close promptly at 7:00PM so if you don't arrive before then and get your order in - you will be sent away hungry.

          If you are out and about in Elkhart Lake and looking for a great bar with good casual food (burgers, soup, daily specials) stop by and see Mike at the Brown Baer, 181 E Rhine St. They have live music on Sunday nights.

          A few miles out of Elkhart in the little village of St. Anne is Schwartz's Supper Club. Giant steaks, great onion rings and other stuff. Very inexpensive. Giant drinks. If they ever put "Wisconsin Supper Club' in the dictionary, there will be a picture of Schwartz's there. www.schwarzsupperclub.com

          Nsxtasy did a great job covering the better dining places in the area. A few updates; Biro is closed. Bruces is for sale but still open.

          My top three for fine dining in the area would be Margaux, Trattoria Stefano and newcomer the Paddock Club in Elkhart Lake. www.paddockclubelkhartlake.com
          All three of these places are run by chef owners.

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            nsxtasy RE: nsxtasy Nov 19, 2007 09:03 PM

            I forgot to mention Lake Street Cafe, in Elkhart Lake. I've been there a couple of times, too, and would rank it just below Bruce's in the numbered list above.

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              twistnolive RE: nsxtasy Nov 24, 2007 10:16 AM

              The Lake Street Cafe is very good - especially for wood oven pizza and unique sandwiches. The Paddock Club is right next door to the Lake St. Cafe.

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              nsxtasy RE: nsxtasy May 1, 2008 11:02 AM

              I've just returned from another visit to the area. I went to the Paddock Club and it was very good, a welcome addition to the restaurant scene there. I had the shrimp pesto wontons special, the veal ragu pappardelle, a filet mignon special, and vanilla panna cotta for dessert. All were good and the panna cotta was spectacular. So add it to the above list.

              I decided to walk around downtown Sheboygan and check out the other places mentioned here. I went to Il Ritrovo and found that the pizza descriptions sounded boring, plus there was a 30+ minute wait to sit (even though it was only 5:30 pm) and the entire smallish bar seating was filled as well, all of which was a big turnoff and not worth waiting for. I also checked out the menu at Trattoria Stefano, which was similarly uninspiring (I think they share ownership with Il Ritrovo). So I wandered a few blocks north to Margaux to check out the menu in the window. And as usual, Chef Hurrie had some wonderful dishes that beckoned, making my choice an easy one. I started with a baby spinach salad, which was good, but the main I selected just blew me away, it was so sinfully delicious. It was a "Duo of Certified Black Angus", a combination of hanger steak and red wine braised short ribs of beef which were exquisite. Equally exquisite, both beefs were served on a bed of mashed potatos mixed with crab and caramelized scallions, which added a slightly sweet touch, accented with a healthy dose of spicy black pepper. Total YUM! For dessert, I went for the "Chocolate Fantasy", four smallish chocolate desserts: a Jim Beam shooter, a truffle with Godiva liqueur, dark chocolate ice cream, and chocolate malted creme brulee. More total YUM! I also had a nice glass of Niagara peninsula icewine for one third the price I had paid for the same thing the previous week at a well-known restaurant in Chicago.

              Margaux is one of the very best restaurants around; this was my best dinner of the year so far. If it were in Chicago, it would easily compare well with the best casual fine dining restaurants in the city (e.g. Blackbird, one sixtyblue, North Pond, Custom House). It's worth a special trip from Milwaukee and even Chicago, and is a "must try" for anyone visiting the Sheboygan area.

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                nsxtasy RE: nsxtasy Sep 4, 2010 06:15 AM

                Biro and O have closed.

                Bruce sold his namesake restaurant in Elkhart Lake and it is now called Dutch's. www.dutchsofelkhart.com

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                mmillerk RE: MsFishpaw May 12, 2007 05:40 AM

                I second the Charcoal Inn suggestion. It don't get more Sheboygan den dat dare hey...

                Also, any of Stefano Viglietti's four restaurants and specialty Italian shop on S. Eighth St. All are very good. All restaurants are very close to eachother and Stefano and his wife are always around. Very friendly people who are passionate about what they do.
                -Trattoria Stefano
                -Il Ritrovo
                -Field to Fork
                -Duke of Devon

                For something special a little ways out of town, the dining room at Whistling Straits golf course (part of Kohler) is very nice. Beautiful setting and great food. A seat at the windows overlooking the links style course and the lake is tough to beat. Also the restaurant at Blackwolf Run (also part of Kohler) is worth a try too.

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                  kattyeyes RE: mmillerk Sep 13, 2010 09:41 PM

                  As much as I love Margaux (I feel like I'm cheating on them to go on about any other establishment with the same enthusiasm), I've gotta hand it to Stefano. So far, I've had a very inventive pizza at Il Ritrovo--a daily special with fresh mozz, salami and I forget what else as I had it last week...DEFINITELY DIFFERENT and DEFINITELY GOOD. Service is stellar. Servers know their stuff. Ingredients are top notch.

                  Tonight, Margaux is closed, so I found myself at Trattoria Stefano. It reminds me very much of my favorite Italian restaurant in my hometown, which I LOVE. It is amazing how many great restaurants can be found--within walking distance--in this sleepy little town. The caprese was outstanding. I never had seen small tomatoes (like grape) in so many colors of the rainbow...the bigger sliced tomatoes were just as fab. And their bread is excellent, too--perfect for catching every last drop of deliciousness on the plate.

                  I can't describe my dinner any better than the menu did, so here it is...what a total treat! And I will enjoy the leftovers for dinner tomorrow. NOM!!!
                  Filetto al Tartufo - Grilled, grass-fed steer tenderloin, topped with a black truffle, mushroom
                  and shallot compound butter.Served with oven roasted rosemary potatoes,
                  cream-braised fennel and fresh sauteed spinach.

                  Tender. Perfectly mooing rare just as I ordered it. So flavorful. So damn good. Yeah, baby. Stefano, whoever you are, you do EVERYTHING right in my book. CENT'ANNI, my brother!

                  Oh, and if you're at Field to Fork or Il Ritrovo, do ask for extra biscotti to go with your latte...they are crispy, tiny, little bite-sized bits of something sweet...and they taste like MORE!

                  http://www.trattoriastefano.com/

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                  Margaux
                  821 N 8th St, Sheboygan, WI 53081

                  Trattoria Stefano
                  522 S 8th St, Sheboygan, WI 53081

                  Il Ritrovo
                  515 S 8th St, Sheboygan, WI 53081

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                    kattyeyes RE: kattyeyes Sep 16, 2010 08:31 PM

                    When off to Sheboygan you go
                    You must really meet Stefano
                    Not the man, no sirree,
                    Just his restaurants--all three*
                    Believe me, please, this much I know.

                    Il Ritrovo for pizza you'll find
                    Is truly apizza divine
                    Bresaola on a pie
                    For this is to die
                    And other great toppings in kind.

                    Field to Fork for breakfast or lunch
                    Their biscotti deliver a crunch
                    The taste can't be beat
                    Whether a meal or a treat
                    And great service from the whole bunch.

                    *There are actually four restaurants, but I didn't get to Duke of Devon, I got waaaaaaaaay too hung up on the happy triangle of Trattoria Stefano and the two restaurants above.

                    Now as much as I loved Margaux,
                    My heart belongs to Stefano!

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                    Margaux
                    821 N 8th St, Sheboygan, WI 53081

                    Duke of Devon
                    739 Riverfront Dr, Sheboygan, WI 53081

                    Trattoria Stefano
                    522 S 8th St, Sheboygan, WI 53081

                    Il Ritrovo
                    515 S 8th St, Sheboygan, WI 53081

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                  WiscChiliPepper1 RE: MsFishpaw Nov 21, 2007 02:59 PM

                  Hello Fishpaw,
                  The Immigrant Restaurant at the America club is probably one of the top ten dining experiences in the state. Several years ago, we went to the hotel for our honeymoon and ate one of our meals there. I can still recall the taste of some of the dishes we ate that night.. The American Club web site allows you access to the menues of all their eating estabblishments. If he has a sophisticated tastes, that is the place to go. Awesome food. Great atmosphere. Excellent service. Top notch wine list. I believe with reasonable notice they can make ANYTHING you want.

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                    nsxtasy RE: WiscChiliPepper1 Nov 21, 2007 03:08 PM

                    Thanks for posting, Chili. Upon further examination of the menus on the American Club website (see link in my post above), I am quite certain that I have not eaten at the Immigrant. I can tell from checking out those menus that the various restaurants in the resort have very different menus and atmospheres. The restaurant where I ate (twice) was probably the Wisconsin Room, and my comments above relate only to that particular experience.

                    Note that the Immigrant is dressy; the website says that jackets are required for gentlemen.

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                      renne2001 RE: WiscChiliPepper1 Mar 8, 2008 06:17 PM

                      I'm afraid the Immigrant Room has fallen far short of the mark recently. We had a bad experience there last week which I don't care to repeat, so I doubt we will be returning. The next time we stay at the American Club, we will go into Sheboygan to one of the very good restaurants there.

                      I don't know what the Chef was thinking. I don't even know who is directly responsible for this - I do know Chef Ulrich Koberstein oversees this operation and his philosophy of food is and I quote " to keep the flavors pure, clean and intense. Food combinations should complement each other and enhance the main ingredient to create culinary memories." That's not exactly what ended up on my plate and the plates of my friends. I ordered the Slow-Roast Crispy Maple Leaf Duck with Sweet Potato Risotto, Toasted Pecans and Stravecchio Parmesan Cheese for $34 . Now to me "Crispy", when paired with the word duck, means the skin is crispy. However this skin was anything but. I peeled something resembling a piece of innertube off the top of this duck. It was disgusting. The duck itself was unremarkable except that it has a very firm texture and wasn't exceptionally flavorful. The risotto next to it basically had no discernible flavor - certainly not that of sweet potato or Parmesan cheese, especially Stravecchio which is aged for about 2 years so it's actually hard to conceal the flavor. This offering was a non-starter as was the salmon my husband ordered - too fishy, which usually means a little older than it should be, and way too salty - his side dish was also boringly bland. The salads and appetizers were only acceptable and the complimentary appetizer was a soggy cracker topped with some kind of white fluffy stuff and sprinkled with a chopped substance which I couldn't identify. Totally tasteless! The kitchen should be ashamed. This was one of the worst meals I've ever had and considering we paid about $ 150.00 per person (including wine and tip) it will definitely be the last at the Immigrant Room. The service person was not the best I've ever had, but not remarkably bad - just sort of obnoxiously pushy.

                      And to think, Stefano's was just down the road a ways. How the mighty have fallen!

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                        kopenhavn RE: renne2001 Jan 1, 2011 07:07 PM

                        Ditto!

                    2. kattyeyes RE: MsFishpaw Sep 12, 2010 06:14 PM

                      You can skip El Camino on 9th and Michigan for Mexican. I wish I did. You know how your lips feel when you eat too much salty popcorn? BLEAHHHH! Plan accordingly on Sundays, people--ALL THE TOP PLACES IN SHEVEGAS ARE CLOSED! :(

                      I do wanna get to The Winery Bar at The American Club, though:
                      http://www.destinationkohler.com/rest...

                      I tried on Saturday not realizing they open at 5:30...but that should be good for tomorrow or any other night this week.

                      Barring that, I enjoyed a very flavorful (and Sheboygan-authentic!) beer & onion-soaked double brat sandwich with coarse ground mustard, sauerkraut and "haystack onion rings" on a Sheboygan hard roll for lunch yesterday at The Horse & Plow (also at The American Club). Kind of funny considering I had been drooling over The Winery Bar's menu, but the brat was tender, tasty and just damn good...oh, and the rosemary parmesan steak fries (more like potato wedges) you can choose to go with are crazy good. You need a friend to help eat all of them, though.

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                      Horse & Plow
                      444 Highland Dr, Kohler, WI 53044

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                        kopenhavn RE: MsFishpaw Jan 1, 2011 06:59 PM

                        The Immigrant Room and The Wisconsin Room have fallen short of their reputation. Overpriced and an utter waste of time IMHO. They are just making Herb Kohler rich and not living up to their original standards. Please go to Sheboygan instead. They employ ill-educated hospitality staff who manage to get employed because their supervisors and head staff are all cut of the same cloth. The food is lesser in quality than the price suggests and the staff isn't any better either.

                        Go to one of the quaint Sheboygan eateries instead such as Il Ritrovo, Margaux and The Charcoal Inn. There is a lovely fish shop on the corner downtown that sells various kinds of fried fish ready to eat. Tasty and worth every dollar!

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                          kopenhavn RE: MsFishpaw Jan 1, 2011 07:06 PM

                          For Mexican: El Camino is lousy!!! Instead opt for Guadalajara.
                          For Thai: Thai Cafe is nothing to write home about. Opt for Toy's on 8th street instead.

                          1. kawaiicat7 RE: MsFishpaw Jan 8, 2013 09:08 AM

                            I know this is quite late but I want to chime in.

                            I was not at all impressed by Steffano's - tho
                            Il Ritrovo is OK at best, it is still pricey considering better pizza can be had
                            (at Faye's!) and inexpensive wine.
                            I will 2nd Thai cafe - it's like my 2nd home, great food, great ppl.

                            For awesome Italian food and atmosphere head to Lino's on S. Pier.

                            For more scrumptious food in an interesting and pretty setting, head to Kohler to Cucina.

                            Immigrant Room- just save ur cash ;)

                            1. kawaiicat7 RE: MsFishpaw Jan 8, 2013 09:10 AM

                              i should also have suggested 8th st Ale Haus for a laid back, fortifying meal and decent pulled pork nachos :)

                              1. nsxtasy RE: MsFishpaw May 4, 2014 07:56 AM

                                A few days ago I ate two dinners in Sheboygan County. Both were excellent and the restaurants are worth recommending. Based on these dinners, they are my top choices in the area, the places I will return to again and again.

                                First was at the Black Pig. A couple of years ago Rob Hurrie briefly closed Margaux, his restaurant in downtown Sheboygan (see my earlier posts above), and re-concepted it as the Black Pig. The menu shows that he has taken some of the creative global dishes from Margaux, and added more familiar (and less expensive) "comfort" foods like mac and cheese, burgers, flatbreads, etc. The Black Pig must be very successful in Sheboygan, because a few weeks ago he opened a second location, with the same menu, in Elkhart Lake, on the site of the former Elkhart Inn. I ate dinner at the new location in Elkhart Lake and I enjoyed it. I enjoyed everything I had - the mussels appetizer, a nightly special entrée of skate wing, and a dessert riff on the classic s'mores. The place was full on a weeknight, so you may want to consider making a reservation. Chef Hurrie was in the house and stopped by most of the tables to make sure everything was good.

                                Black Pig
                                821 North 8th
                                Sheboygan WI
                                920-457-6565
                                91 S. Lincoln Street (Hwy 67)
                                Elkhart Lake, WI 53020
                                920-876-3133
                                www.eatblackpig.com

                                The following evening I had dinner in downtown Sheboygan Falls at Catalunya, and this was outstanding as well. This is a fairly new restaurant, open about two years now. I loved all three dishes I had for dinner. I started with the endive salad as an appetizer - "Granny Smith apple‚ Belgian endive‚ arugula‚ toasted pecans‚ and Roquefort cheese‚ tossed with a cider vinaigrette" - and this was one of the best restaurant salads I can recall. Ever. Yes, it was that good. For an entrée, I had the short rib - "Braised short ribs with pearl onions and juniper‚ served alongside garlic mashed potatoes and fricassee of chanterelle" - and this was outstanding also, served bone-in, very meaty and tender without being overly fatty like short rib sometimes is. For dessert I had a mascarpone cheesecake topped with pear, and this was light and wonderful, with a consistency more like a mousse than a cheesecake. It wasn't very busy on this particular evening, so please go and keep them in business! They have a large bar room as well as the large dining room, and they also offer an early-evening small plates special.

                                Catalunya
                                124 Pine Street
                                Sheboygan Falls, WI 53085
                                (920) 467-4011
                                www.catalunyarestaurant.com

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                                  Fowler RE: nsxtasy Jun 6, 2014 03:28 PM

                                  Hi nsxtasy, I found this thanks to the link you provided in the other post.

                                  Thank you for these excellent reviews. I am surprised Margaux closed but am very happy to hear it was somewhat re-invented.

                                  I have always found it nice that someone from Chicago is so complimentary of the restaurants in Wisconsin. I spent a part of my youth in Chicago and it seemed most people there just bashed Wisconsin restaurants whenever they had the chance. You seem to give Wisconsin restaurants a fair shake though and that is one of the reasons why I like you and your reviews.

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                                    nsxtasy RE: Fowler Jun 6, 2014 07:16 PM

                                    Wow! Thanks (again) for the kind words!

                                    When it comes to restaurants, I call them as I see them. When I travel, I look for interesting, high-quality restaurants, as I'm sure most of us do here on Chowhound. I walk in hoping to find great food, and often, I do.

                                    Of course, you can find mediocre restaurants in many places, but a little bit of research (such as here) can help you avoid them. Perhaps those not on Chowhound don't bother doing that research, and wind up eating at places that are not the best representatives of their areas. But I think there's another factor that may come into play with people bashing restaurants - the fact that the quality of food, and the level of interest in it, is rapidly improving throughout the country (not just Wisconsin). Nowadays, even in smaller cities and sometimes small towns, you can often find a place worth considering. But that was not always true 20 or even 10 years ago. Anyone who bases their opinion on a trip 10+ years ago might be surprised to find new, good places that have opened up since then. But not everyone visits an area often enough to be aware of the newer places, so an opinion based on a visit a while ago never has the chance to change. I do visit Wisconsin fairly often, which helps. (And I feel that places I haven't been in a while, I'm really no longer familiar with their restaurant scene.)

                                    FWIW, I have a three-day trip to Milwaukee planned in early August, and as of now it looks like I'll be having dinners at Bacchus and Maxie's, and breakfast/brunch at two out of a group consisting of Blue's Egg, the Eatery on Farwell, Harbor House, and Envoy. Although I don't have other plans, I might make a special trip just to eat at Ardent (it's close enough to just go up and back for dinner), and there's a chance I might get back to the Stevens Point area again also. In addition to great food, an eclectic mix of activities brings me to those areas, including the ballpark in Milwaukee, the racetrack near Sheboygan, and sheep herding near Stevens Point. All fun stuff!

                                    Thanks again! :)

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                                      Fowler RE: nsxtasy Jun 7, 2014 08:14 AM

                                      Have you been to Bacchus before? If so, I would probably take a chance on something new like Ardent before returning to Bacchus. While I do like Bacchus, I have rarely dined there and walked away feeling that they had a good QPR.

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                                        nsxtasy RE: Fowler Jun 7, 2014 11:17 AM

                                        Bacchus has two things going for it. One, I see a lot of things on their menu that sound really great to me. Two, between the 5:30 opening time, the downtown location, and the a la carte format, I should be able to have a quick dinner there and still make it to Miller Park around the time of the first pitch (7:10). Between Ardent's 6:00 opening and their tasting menu format, I would miss a good part of the game by dining there. The same is true of Sanford, even though it opens at 5:30 and also offers a la carte dining; I've phoned and discussed it with them. So both places will have to wait for a night when I'm not headed to the ballpark after dinner.

                                        Also, while new restaurants are an attraction to locals who have been to the longtime standouts plenty of times, those longtime standouts are still new to those of us from elsewhere who've never been there.

                                        I've seen lots of positive reviews for Bacchus, and it's part of the Bartolotta group, which generally does a good job. I'm sorry to hear you've been disappointed, but between the other reviews and the appealing menu, I feel that it's got enough potential that I'd like to try it for myself.

                                        I appreciate the feedback, though! As you can see, there's specific logic behind that choice. (The same is true for Maxie's, which I chose primarily for their 4:00 opening and their location close to the ballpark, both of which should enable me to get to a game that starts at 6:10 pm.)

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                                          Fowler RE: nsxtasy Jun 7, 2014 11:53 AM

                                          Sounds like a great plan to me. Have fun and I hope the team you are rooting for wins!

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