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Alphonso Mango

EATTV May 2, 2007 11:18 AM

I am told that this season Alphonso Mangoes (the holy grail of mangoes) from India will be available in the U.S. Anyone had one and can attest to its claim as the world's sweetest? Sources?

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    bmorecupcake Jun 20, 2009 09:05 PM

    Visiting Toronto right now and we have been feasting on Anwar Ratols and Chonsas like there's no tomorrow. Got lucky with the Ratols and then set up a stakeout outside the Pakistani grocer Friday waiting for the fresh shipment of Chonsas to be put out. Pics follow.

    Kohinoor Foods, 1438 Gerrard Street East

    (Edit: Sorry, having trouble uploading pics, but here are two of an Anwar Ratol. One is next to a business card to get an idea of size. Wish you could smell them.)

     
     
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      bmorecupcake Jun 20, 2009 09:32 PM

      Here are some other pics:

      Outside of box (same for Ratols and Chonsas): http://www.picturepush.com/public/1877321
      Box of Ratols: http://www.picturepush.com/public/1877326
      Ratol split open: http://www.picturepush.com/public/1877327
      Box of Chonsas: http://www.picturepush.com/public/1877328
      Chonsa next to Ratol: http://www.picturepush.com/public/1877330
      Chonsa split open: http://www.picturepush.com/public/187...

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        luckyfatima Jun 20, 2009 09:48 PM

        gorgeous, loving it!

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        moh Jun 22, 2009 10:03 PM

        You are the best Bmorecupcake! We are also in TO right now, and we picked up both types today! I will have some for breakfast. Thanks so much!!!

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          joebloe Jun 23, 2009 07:49 PM

          I have eaten alphonso and kesar all summer long here in Boston. I'd like to try Pakistani mangos when I'm in Toronto next weekend. Please tell me where to go in Missisauga and which type to get that is better than the alphonso or kesar. Thanks.

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            bmorecupcake Jun 24, 2009 04:19 AM

            As far as which type is better than Alphonso or Kesar, that will be for you to decide after tasting if any are actually better. The two most popular are Chonsa and Anwar Ratol. Not sure where to buy in Mississauga, though.

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              joebloe Jun 24, 2009 08:16 PM

              Where can I get them in Toronto?

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                bmorecupcake Jun 25, 2009 08:53 AM

                Kohinoor Foods, 1438 Gerrard Street East.

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        smartie Jun 16, 2009 03:00 PM

        I live in Florida where mangos are falling off the neighbourhood trees right now. Did not realise there were so many varieties. I just picked one off my tree a few minutes ago which was delicious but I do not know which type it is.

        But my neighbour who is from Thailand gave me some of her Thai mangos last week which were more perfumed and came away from the pit very easily. Also around my neighbourhood are very small mangos almost the size of large plums - good but messy and not much flesh.

        1. EATTV Apr 2, 2008 01:49 PM

          The Alphonsos are ambrosial indeed and all the subcontinental groceries on Moody Street in Waltham import them since the embargo was lifted but the US still radiates the fruits to make the pits inert. had the last season after a long wait. Golden sweet and juicy . Worth the waiting

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            joebloe May 14, 2008 08:23 AM

            Where in montreal and Toronto can I get alphonso mangoes? TIA.

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              moh May 15, 2008 02:52 AM

              Joebloe, there is an Alphonso watch out in Montreal. Best to check the Quebec Board once in a while, there should be posts soon.

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            moh Apr 1, 2008 01:08 PM

            Ok this is a dumb question, but is the alphonso mango same as the ataulfo mango?

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              chocabot Apr 2, 2008 10:30 AM

              I'm wondering the same

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                moh Apr 2, 2008 11:00 AM

                I tried to google it, but I did not find a definitive answer. From pictures, it seem they are not exactly the same. The alphonso mangoes had a green-red glow that I've never seen on the ataulfo mangoes I have been gorging on recently (they are so good!). Also the little dimple in the side was less pronounced on the alphonso mango. Ataulfo mangos seem to often come from Mexico, not India, but I did see one mention of Indian ataulfo mangos. So are they the same variety? anyone?

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                  moh Apr 4, 2008 07:52 PM

                  Chocobat, someone on the Quebec board said that the Alphonso and the Ataulfo are not the same variety. So I guess I'll have to search out the Alphonso mangos.

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                    formosalily Apr 4, 2008 08:38 PM

                    moh, I just discovered DHL Mango Express, which ships ripe-in-time, hand-picked Alphonso mangoes, to more than 50 countries world-wide, fortunately for you, including Canada, and sadly for me, excluding USA....; (

                    http://203.199.200.2/dhl/mangoexpress/

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                      moh Apr 4, 2008 09:12 PM

                      Formosalily, you are the best! Such a wonderfully thoughtful person, with my Chow interests in mind! I shall keep this in mind, but I have heard on the grapevine that Montreal will get Alphonso mangos soon,and so I may be able to buy a box soon...

                      Please seriously consider a trip here soon, I'd love to show you around town... it seems we would eat very well together :)

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                        formosalily Apr 6, 2008 03:25 PM

                        Moh, I would love to visit Montreal again.... especially now I have a reliable source for scoops on where to find good eats there! I could see us having a good time sharing a lovely conversation about food over food. ; )

                        Look forward to your report on Alphonso mangos!

            2. luckyfatima Apr 1, 2008 01:22 AM

              I don't want to be a mango buzz kill, but the Alphonsoes out this early are premature and though they have a nice smell, they are mealy, and not at their best. Wait about a month, in late April or May you will be getting the superb, creamy as custard, luscious superior Alphonsoes.

              I love alphonsoes but I also have a passion for the later mango-season dussehri and the end of mango-season chaunsa! MMMMM! I can't wait for the good ones to come. It means luscious mangos from April to August!

              Those of you who have tried the pre-season alphonsoes, don't judge yet...wait a month or so and see! Also, the alphonoes out after mid-June or so (whenever the monsoon starts) will once again be inferior cuz as soon as the water hits the ground, the Alfonso season ends.

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                SunnyMorn Apr 2, 2008 11:24 AM

                I live in India and prefer Thai Mangos myself. Hrading there tomorrow to stuuf myself with unripe, ripe any Mango I can get my hands on!!

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                  AlexZitaman Jun 26, 2009 02:47 AM

                  I live in Singapore, it's getting more difficult to get Alphonsos and Banganappali (Benishan) now (end of their respective seasons probably). I can't wait to try Anwarratol, Chaunsa and Dussehri to see how sweet they really are (like Indians & Pakistanis, I love my mangoes very sweet, found alphonso a tad sourish and not as sweet as Banganappali). Was offered Sindhri, but I passed after the seller commented that it was not as good as Banganappali.

                  Does anyone know, other than Mustafa, where can I find Indian's and Pakistani's mangoes sold in S'pore?

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                  bmorecupcake Apr 1, 2008 12:14 AM

                  I don't want to start a mango war or nothing... actually, yes I do. ;)

                  No doubt Alphonso and Kesar mangos are better than all other mangoes available in the United States. However, the (Anwar) Ratol and Chonsa mangoes from Pakistan are, respectively, even better than those two. Sadly, until the U.S. allows importing of Pakistani agricultural items, you'll have to cross the border into Canada to taste them. They are easier to find across the pond in England, though. I have found Ratols to be consistently less fibrous (if you can believe it's possible) than Alphonsos. The one and only true king of fruits.

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                    luckyfatima Apr 1, 2008 01:24 AM

                    I think they are all equal but in different ways. Hey is the anwaratol (i never heard anyone just say ratol) the same as a dussehri? I always get those confused.

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                      bmorecupcake Apr 2, 2008 01:34 PM

                      Nope, the dussehri is quite different from what I recall. I haven't been to Pakistan in 5 yrs so the exact details elude me at the moment. (Edit: My dad said the dussehris in his native Multan are sweeter and look distinctly different than anwaratols, but the anwaratols still taste better.)

                      My mom's side of the family actually grow mangoes (in Punjab) for "fun", sort of like mango connoisseurs. They call it "anwaratol". My in-laws have a fruit business in Lahore, but grow their mangoes in the Sindh region, and the first time I heard someone say just "ratol" was from them, but I have heard it more since.

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                        aamir Apr 2, 2008 11:10 PM

                        yes the short of the anwar ratol is ratol , dhushari is quite different from ratol. plz give me little more info where you guys find these mangoes with the name of cities. thanks

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                          luckyfatima Apr 3, 2008 12:14 AM

                          hehehe I live in Dubai so we get the best of the Indian AND Pakistani mangoes basically from April till mid-August!

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                            bmorecupcake Apr 3, 2008 10:01 AM

                            You can walk up to any fruit seller in Multan and find all of them, and they will only have travelled a couple miles... hehe, oh you meant stateside?

                            You won't find Pakistani mangos in the US due to import restrictions, and even Indian mangoes are very hard to come by. I can't even find Pakistani mango pulp here! (I always have to buy the Indian one.) In Toronto, I was served ratols and chonsas by family, although I'm not sure exactly which shop they bought them from. Maybe someone brought some back over from Pakistan. We used to do that back in the day, but now US customs is extremely strict about these things. But I distinctly recall my relatives there saying Pakistani mangoes were available now.

                            Funny thing is that now in Pakistan they are growing alphonsos, because of the international demand for these. They get sent to India, where they are packed and then shipped. I know this has happened with rice for a while.

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                              luckyfatima Apr 3, 2008 10:45 AM

                              bmorecupcake: can you ask a relative why those anwar rathol mangoes have that name? Someone told me they are named for the farmers Anwar Baig and Rathol who planted the first seed or something, but I'd like to know more.

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                                bmorecupcake Apr 4, 2008 05:00 PM

                                That was my first question when I heard the name anwar ratol. The Anwar part no one I asked really knows for sure, but get ready for Pakistan's dirty little secret. Ratol is actually a place in India, close to Delhi (Meerut maybe?), where the mango originated. For whatever reason, hardly any anwaratols are grown in India anymore and are now considered Pakistani mangos. I guess Alphonso is preferred over there, although I think it has more to do with the international (moneymaking) appeal of Alphonso. It travels well, and is more well-suited to "western" tastes whereas desis often like things sweeter (evidence burfee). I've spoken to so many people about mangos past couple days and many, Pakistanis and Indians alike, will admit to liking Chaunsa or Dussheri over Ratol and Alphonso because they are sweeter.

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                                  luckyfatima Apr 4, 2008 09:05 PM

                                  Ah thanks, you know I got really interested and googled it, it turns out that Rathaul is a small town in U.P. as you say. I don't think it is a dirty secret that the mango's original seed is Indian, I think there is a lot in Pakistan with an Indian seed and that's just a fact of history. Anyway, it may be also that the anwaratol went to Sindh before the border actually existed.

                                  That's an interesting point about the sweetness factor.

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                                    bmorecupcake Apr 5, 2008 06:42 AM

                                    My version was more tantalizing. :)

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                                aamir Apr 3, 2008 01:03 PM

                                guys can you tell me where you guys which city you guys live and how to find the stores where pakistani and indian mangoes are available?

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                                imishah May 25, 2011 02:43 PM

                                Hi Aamir please email me your contact information if you are interested on importing mangoes to the U.S.

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                            bulavinaka Apr 4, 2008 09:49 PM

                            Many varieties of mangoes are widely consumed in Thailand, Singapore, Malaysia, and Indonesia. What do they consider to be the true king of fruits? Durian. I love mango, but even the best mango is considered pedestrian next to a decent durian by those who've grown up eating both in those countries. And I know no other group of people who are so obsessed with food like Singaporeans. Maybe just chalk it up to different strokes...

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                              joebloe Jun 23, 2009 07:43 PM

                              I have eaten alphonso and kesar all summer here in Boston. I'd like to try Pakistani mangos when I'm in Toronto next weekend. Please tell me where to go in Missisauga and which type to get that is better than the alphonso or kesar. Thanks.

                            2. Alice Patis Jun 22, 2007 08:37 AM

                              I finally got to buy & try the Alphonso mango this week. I'm in the San Jose CA area. My alphonsos were green tinged with light peachy pinkish shoulders, and turned yellow-all around when ripe. I was also offered Kesars, but I had not heard of them before so I passed. My detailed post is on the SF Board:
                              http://www.chowhound.com/topics/397741#2684155

                              Pictures at:
                              http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow...

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                                nuttie_cat May 2, 2007 03:06 PM

                                Except for a batch or two, I don't think the Alphonso Mango from India has truly arrived in the U.S. yet. That said, I can't wait for it!

                                I grew up in India and have eaten many varieties in the country and after I moved here tried out the ones available here and I can say nothing beats the Alphonso. The Alphonso rules because of the beautiful golden color flesh of the fruit, its fragrance, firm yet soft flesh and sweetness.

                                That combination is what makes it so perfect. You can get of those individual qualities in other varieties but put together it becomes the Alphonso--the king of fruits :)

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                                  JMF May 2, 2007 03:57 PM

                                  Indian mangoes just started to come into the US last Friday.

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                                    sweetTooth May 2, 2007 04:08 PM

                                    Did you see them in a market yet? Where are you located?

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                                      JMF May 2, 2007 07:06 PM

                                      The NY Times had an article about it today.

                                      http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/02/din...

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                                        EATTV Jun 14, 2007 04:36 PM

                                        I got the Alphonso and Kesar Mangoes in several stores on Moody Street in Waltham beginning last week. They are gold skinned and red shouldered with safron colored flesh. I liked the Kesar better but both were rich and sweet that make lesser Mangoes pale beside them. The Kesar may have survived the flight and radiation better. Very delicious at about $3.50 a throw.

                                         
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                                          Bridge66 Jun 16, 2009 01:52 PM

                                          I listened to the story on NPR the other day and happened to be in Patel Brothers on Moody St in Waltham, MA and saw two varieties of mangoes. One was red and round (from Mexico) and the other golden and pear shapped (didn't get the name or origin but sounds like it might have been the Alphonso). I decided to try the golden one because it felt soft to the touch, but once I tasted, found it to be too tart to eat. Should I let it ripen more, or this possibly not an Alphonso?

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                                            joebloe Jun 16, 2009 05:43 PM

                                            If you paid $30 for a box of 9-12 mangos then you got the Indian mangos. If not then you got the altoufo mango. Indian mangos only have to be light green or yellowish color to be extremely sweet and intensely aromatic, and not tart. I am glad the season is coming to an end because I've been spending $60/wk for the past 2 months on such Indian mangos.

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                                    aamir Apr 2, 2008 11:08 PM

                                    Hello guys!! nice information for me , actully i came here in usa couple years ago, tried my best to find good mangoes from pakistan, but always have mexican bitter mangoes like lemon, sorry to say, maybe it was because i ate a lot of mangoes in pakistan in summer season:) Can you guys tell me where i can find the pakistan mangoes( anwer ratol, dhusri, sindhri, langra, chonsa etc) anywhere in USA or Canada? My brother exports all kinds of mangoes and veg to UK and Germany, If Even Anybody can help me to start business, i would love to go for that, thanks. Happy Mango Session!!!

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                                      luckyfatima Apr 3, 2008 12:22 AM

                                      The mangoes of the Saraiki belt are true jewels, but even Indian mangoes couldn't come to the US until Bush Mian signed an agreement with the Indian gov't last year in a gesture of friendship. It would be great if PK mangoes were available to Americans so they could taste the glory as well, but it would take a change in US policy.

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