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OshDickWI Apr 23, 2007 02:56 PM

Looking for a good to great Italian restaurant near the St. Paul Hotel. Thanks

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    pgokey RE: OshDickWI Apr 23, 2007 04:06 PM

    Pazzaluna. Hands down.

    http://www.pazzaluna.com/

    In the alternate, try Cossetta's.

    http://twincities.citysearch.com/prof...

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      KTFoley RE: OshDickWI Apr 23, 2007 04:37 PM

      Sorry that none of these are within walking distance, but they're more likely to be worth your time & money:

      Osteria y Nonni – Worth the drive.
      981 Sibley Memorial Hwy
      St Paul, MN 55118
      (651) 905-1080

      Ristorante Luci – Ignore the interior design and enjoy the food.
      470 Cleveland Avenue
      Saint Paul, MN 55105
      (651) 699-8258

      Luci Ancora – Luci’s sister restaurant, easier to get a reservation.
      2060 Randolph Avenue
      Saint Paul, MN 55105
      (651) 698-6889

      La Grolla – Can be hit&miss, but sometimes a decent plate of pasta and a glass of wine are enough. Closest to the hotel.
      452 Selby Ave
      St Paul, MN 55102-1727
      (651) 221-1061

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        St Paul Susie RE: KTFoley Apr 23, 2007 05:53 PM

        Nonni - #1 - by far. Rist Luci a VERY close second.

        Pazz is good if walking is your only option.

        I actually like La Grolla better than Pazzaluna.

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          jfood RE: KTFoley Dec 7, 2008 08:33 AM

          Jfood gives a major thumbs up to Nonni:

          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/568382

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          showercapcrazy RE: OshDickWI Apr 23, 2007 10:45 PM

          cheap; Good especially for a casual lunch cossettas (i ate there today)
          Very Good;La Grolla set your wallet on fire.
          Trattoria Davinci's; very good to good (I love the calamari, they call it something like misu, I also enjoy their complimentary bread and herbed butter, and their spaghetti)
          Pazzaluna; good, a true corporate dining experience. excellent capratzi salad in the summer (heirlum tomatos from st. paul farmers market.
          P.S. Stay away from pasta bar at DaVinci's and Pazzaluna.

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            mikecho RE: OshDickWI Nov 26, 2008 08:25 AM

            FYI>The Pazzaluna sucks...Everthing I had to eat there, I have been dissappointed in the food quality and sometimes service.

            Go to trattoria da vinci which is in downtown ST Paul..... much better food and price.

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              petergray RE: mikecho Nov 26, 2008 01:18 PM

              Also: Meritage, just two blocks from the Hotel, is mostly French but always has a pasta of the day, and a few other pan-Mediterranean dishes. It is a very special place - great ambience, fantastic food. Entrees avergaging in the low 20s, cheaper at lunch. 410 St. Peter Street.

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                mikecho RE: petergray Dec 6, 2008 04:46 AM

                Peter,

                I totally agree with the Meritage....it has great food and service....Also in Mpls, Al Vento is a good neighborhood restaurant....food is great service is hit and miss....

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                  jfood RE: petergray Dec 7, 2008 08:34 AM

                  jfood gives a major thumb's up to Meritage

                  http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/564851

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                keg RE: OshDickWI Nov 26, 2008 05:49 PM

                There's nothing in the great end of the spectrum. Pazza and Cosetta have proximity, but far from great, and depending on your spectrum, might not even be considered good. Harsh, but if you've dined at a great Italian restaurant you'll understand.

                Meritage is the best restaurant within walking distance.

                Had two very disappointing meals at Luci Ancora. If you're willing to travel Heartland is on top of its game, but Chef Russo is more about local ingredients than ethnic identity.

                Buon appetito.

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                  Brad Ballinger RE: OshDickWI Nov 28, 2008 06:27 AM

                  I hate to be a contrarian, but we don't have very many good Italian restaurants in the Twin Cities. Walking distance from your hotel, I'd go to Cosetta's, which is very good for what it presents itself as. But it won't be relaxing. You've read mixed recoomendations for Pazzaluna. There's a reson. And I can't recommend DaVinci, having given it three chances (it failed on either food, service, or both every time).

                  Take the 10-minute drive to Osteria i Nonni, if you have a car. It's an easy jump on and off of Interstate 35E. Nothing else is going to top it.

                  La Grolla is overrated. Ristorante Luci has been surviving on an outdated reputation for a long time (arrogant service and over-salted food on EVERY visit/chance I gave it).

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                    mikecho RE: Brad Ballinger Dec 6, 2008 04:51 AM

                    Brad,

                    I have always had food at Trattoria DaVinci....service can be hit and miss but mostly good. You didn't have the pasta bar did you? I heard that is not the best so I always order fresh.....La Grolla is totally hit and miss for food and service.....Osteria has benn always good.....But my experience with Pazz has not been good....the bar is the only cool part.....I know it is not Italian but have you tried Meritage yet?

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                      Brad Ballinger RE: mikecho Dec 6, 2008 02:37 PM

                      Never had the pasta bar at DaVinci. I'm likely never going back there, and that's more because of the service than the food.

                      I was at Mertiage on the third night they were open. Loved it. They were still working out kinks, obviously. I'll likely be there again soon. So many restaurants, so little time... I only didn't comment on it here since the OP asked about Italian.

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                        soupkitten RE: mikecho Dec 8, 2008 09:48 AM

                        i had one meal at davinci, and it wasn't good. i like meritage quite a bit, but as everyone says, it's not italian.

                        to me, "msp italian" (italian restaurants located in minneapolis/st paul) and "st paul italian" are two different animals. "st paul italian" would include yrusso's (has its fans, and i am *not* one) and mama's (i love mama's)-- the red sauce pasta, square-cut pizza places that are part of enjoying the local cuisine, but we shouldn't kid ourselves that these places would fly in other parts of the country/world. there are just a couple of quality italian restaurants in msp-- i nonni has already been mentioned, & that's where i'd go, or rec to an out-of-town hound.

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                          mtullius RE: soupkitten Dec 8, 2008 03:05 PM

                          I think you've hit on an important point, soupkitten, and that is, what does the OP mean by "Italian"? Does he/she mean a more-or-less authentic Italian restaurant, with food reasonably akin to what one would find in Italy? If so, then i Nonni is clearly the choice, and probably the only one in MSP.

                          But many people say "Italian" and mean something I might call "Italian-American," that is, the cuisine popularized by such places as Bucca di Beppo and even Olive Garden. This cuisine has been around a long time before these restaurants, and is well-represented in MSP by the places you mention, along with Red's Savoy Inn and many others.

                          There's a similar problem with "Mexican"-- what many people think of when they say this is, a place with cheap margaritas and hearty cheese nachos. This is obviously quite different from more authentic Mexican cuisine... Of course, it's the same for any cuisine, but these two have been around long enough in this country that the divergence is rather wide.

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                            keg RE: mtullius Dec 9, 2008 08:35 AM

                            You must see Big Night if you haven't yet. It is this movie that reveals Americanization better than any other. Il Nonni offers Americanized large portions, but does make a very strong traditional statement at the same time.

                            On the movie theme, Tampopo the movie, and Tanpopo the noodle house in lowertown (walking distance) St. Paul make for another fun comparison. The movie is about a floundering noodle shop searching for it's true meaning. It is a journey towards improvement told in rare style. Tanpopo the restaurant, not related to the movie, knows itself very well and is a solid member of the restaurant community. They know themselves and deliver deliciousness.

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