393252 Wed Apr 18 23:36:06 -0700 2007 63 23 Ontario (including Toronto) 0 2494924 Does anyone know when wild leeks are ready for harvest in Ontario? Also where they can be bought in, or around, the GTA? I've heard rumours that you can only harvest them on private land in Ontario because of over picking. Is this true? Wed Apr 18 23:36:07 -0700 2007 73484 torontovore 1 2495076 Your guesses are pretty much right on. They are at their peak now, they are unlikely to be seen in a GTA retail outlet, and they are generally found on private property(like abandoned strawberry farms) and on the Bruce Peninsula (where it is illegal to pick them). There is a wild "bear" garlic that is more common around this time of year as well that a lot of people call "ramps" but the taste is , well , more like green garlic. Only way to get ramps probably is to "know a guy". Thu Apr 19 04:01:08 -0700 2007 2494924 39928 woodenhorse 2 2498571 I have been unable to find any restriction on picking common wild leeks, or allium tricoccum, which are listed as "secure" by MNR. There is a variant however, the narrow leafed wild leek, or allium burdicki, which is listed as endangered. Woodenhorse, can you tell me where you encountered the restriction? I found a patch of ramps and want to be absolutely sure of my ground before I touch them. Fri Apr 20 03:06:09 -0700 2007 2495076 55318 DockPotato 3 2498666 Harvesting or selling wild leeks is illegal in Quebec, where overharvesting has threatened its survival, but not in any other province. However, ethical harvesters take no more than 5 to 10 percent of a patch, so it can regenerate, according to David Forbes in issue 4 of Slow Canada, the newsletter of Slow Food Canada. Fri Apr 20 05:15:20 -0700 2007 2498571 18063 DylS 2 2498633 I too am unaware of any restriction for picking them other than the Bruce Trail's motto (borrowed from the Sierra Club) of "Leave nothing but footprints, take nothing but pictures". I've hiked most of the Bruce trail, sometimes with club members who forage for mushrooms, berries, apples from abandoned orchards and nearly anything that is edible. The exception is wild flowers because they must be allowed to seed themselves. One year my spouse and I were hiking near Collingwood while staying at the Bield House Country Inn and Spa. I asked the owner if the chef would be willing to cook any ramps that we found and when he agreed, I filled my backpack. That night we dined on shilled ramp soup and steamed ramp greens. It was wonderful. Fri Apr 20 04:48:28 -0700 2007 2495076 85952 Higgette 3 2569370 Do you know about frozen apples? There is no telling what the fruit is like on those wild trees. They range from sour/tart to very, very classy that you can't buy. However, the fruit on those wild trees bloom, rot and dry. In the process they ferment and then freeze if the deer can't get at them, and the freezing concentrates the flavour and alcohol content through reverse distillation. Those apples are good. Mon May 14 16:01:51 -0700 2007 2498633 55318 DockPotato 4 2603880 Yes, I eat them when I see them but I didn't know about the frozen version. That would explain Iced Cider. I saw ramps while out on a hike on Wednesday in the Mono Cliffs area but I didn't pick any because they weren't plentiful and I had my fill that one time. I would really like to learn more about mushrooms because I see a great variety in the fall, particularly in the Hanilton/Dundas section of the trail. Sat May 26 05:47:42 -0700 2007 2569370 85952 Higgette 1 2495179 We are heading up to Michael Stadtlander's Ramps and Maple Syrup Festival / Food Fest in two weeks so they had better be ready by then. BTW, maple syrup season will definitely be finished in Ontario this weekend. Note: $150 bucks to "know the guy". Thu Apr 19 06:17:01 -0700 2007 2494924 12840 Mila 2 2495501 Mila, how did you get the information on this event? I googled it and couldn't find anything. Thu Apr 19 08:18:31 -0700 2007 2495179 27847 mickeyj 3 2495757 Friends in the biz. You can give a call up to the farm but they are notoriously hard to get on the phone. 519-922-3128 If that doesn't work Adam at Oyster Boy is a good contact. They will be there this year (love the house made out of oyster shells) as well as Hiro, John Higgins, Claudio Aprile and others. It's a really fun, casual day though the price is up to $150 compared to last year's $55. Thu Apr 19 09:19:28 -0700 2007 2495501 12840 Mila 4 2496039 Thanks Mila. What is the date (before I try to track it down I want to see if I'm free that day)? Thu Apr 19 10:23:35 -0700 2007 2495757 27847 mickeyj 5 2496178 Sunday May 6th. I believe it starts noonish. It's a fun day, but casual. Wear good walking shoes for clambering around the farm with some spring weather mud. And don't wear white, last year I spilled so much red wine on my white jacket that I had to wash it in the pig's trough. Thu Apr 19 10:55:06 -0700 2007 2496039 12840 Mila 6 2496226 Thanks Mila. Thu Apr 19 11:04:31 -0700 2007 2496178 27847 mickeyj 1 2495240 ramps, for sure are in but not till next week as far as my supplier tells me!! as regards whrere to pick them i have no idea!! Thu Apr 19 06:42:58 -0700 2007 2494924 84892 minmix 1 2495390 I have seen them starting to come up. But I would say they really won't be at their peak - at least not in central Ontario - for another couple of weeks. The leaves are still quite small. In fact, this reminds me to go check the spot in my woods where I planted some last spring. Thu Apr 19 07:38:57 -0700 2007 2494924 12383 Nyleve 2 2495515 would it be possible to grow my own on say... a condo balcony? i realize the beauty of them being wild is from what it gathers in the soil, but i'm curious to know how they'd fare in a more urban/controlled environment. Thu Apr 19 08:23:02 -0700 2007 2495390 10634 pinstripeprincess 3 2495842 I don't think they would do well in a container garden. Wild leeks seem to associate with certain types of forest environments - so they might need something in the soil or some type of dappled lighting. I planted mine in a mixed bit of bush, among maples and other hardwoods. It's also slightly damp - which I think they like. A container garden would allow the roots to become frozen and dehydrated in the winter, and might not hold the dampness in the spring. As soon as the heat of summer hits, the leaves yellow and collapse - like tulips. So they're not a pretty plant. Having said that - you can try it. Nothing to lose, is there? I'm going out to check on my leeks right now. Will report back asap. Thu Apr 19 09:41:29 -0700 2007 2495515 12383 Nyleve 4 2495905 THEY'RE UP! Just starting - but it looks like some of the leeks I planted actually took! Woo hoo. Very exciting. Thu Apr 19 09:56:10 -0700 2007 2495842 12383 Nyleve 5 2496508 Where do you get seeds for them? Thu Apr 19 12:12:30 -0700 2007 2495905 19782 Full tummy 6 2496929 I got a bag of leeks from a friend who has them growing on her property, and instead of eating them, I planted them. I'm sure seeds exist, but this is an easier method. If you are able to get wild leeks that are untrimmed with all the roots intact, they'll grow. Thu Apr 19 13:53:50 -0700 2007 2496508 12383 Nyleve 1 2496746 I bought some last year from the produce seller whose stand is right outside the TD Green Machine kiosk at the north St. Lawrence Market. They were gorgeous - we had them with salmon. I do hope they are available this weekend or next at market! Thu Apr 19 13:06:59 -0700 2007 2494924 27754 AmandaEd 2 2496776 by the way, stadtlander's wild leek festival is apparently sold out already. sorry. Thu Apr 19 13:14:31 -0700 2007 2496746 18980 antifoodie 2 2568935 I found them there too. There were a few vendors at the Market with them. amazing, never cooked with them before but such an amazing flavour! Mon May 14 13:51:58 -0700 2007 2496746 11627 Otonabee 1 2568249 Our leeks are ready now. I just came back from a successful forage having found several large stands of them in different locations. I brought enough for tonight - here is what I have. http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q44/DockPotato/Leeks.jpg Any suggestions as to what I can do with them for dinner? I've never used them before - they smell amazing. Mon May 14 10:49:41 -0700 2007 2494924 55318 DockPotato 2 2568309 They are good with pasta. Recently we made wild leeks in a carbonarra with pancetta. Chop the white parts and cook, add the greens near the end. Something like this: http://www.gothamist.com/2006/04/26/whats_fresh_ram.php If you use this recipe, you will want to cook pancetta much more than what they recommend for prosciutto. Mon May 14 11:04:32 -0700 2007 2568249 10636 mikeb 3 2570319 Thanks, mikeb. We had some local smoked bacon on hand and tried your recipe. Very good. Tue May 15 03:24:00 -0700 2007 2568309 55318 DockPotato 1 2570438 If what I ate last night were indeed ramps (my husband told me they were wild leeks, so I'm making an assumption here,) we got them at the Carrot Common. He braised them in a wee bit of butter and chicken stock. Lovely! Tue May 15 06:03:54 -0700 2007 2494924 20372 cchrish 2 2571327 We got some at the Big Carrot on the weekend - the sign said "wild leeks". I braised them in butter and they were delicious (chopped up the bulbs, braised til tender and then added the leaves and cooked a min or 2 until they wilted) - however we had no way to tell if they were the real thing since neither my husband or I had tried them before. Tue May 15 11:00:45 -0700 2007 2570438 96056 Piper2 1 2571502 I've been able to get ramps at the peripatetic organic farmers' market in Toronto (different locations, different days). Anyone care to share their favourite recipe for them? As an above posting, I also serve them sauteed, over pasta: olive oil, salt, a very light sprinkle of chili flake, and white wine. God... I'm salivating at the thought. Tue May 15 11:41:37 -0700 2007 2494924 91415 hungry_pangolin 2 2578175 I just bought a whole bunch from Philz in St. Lawrence Market - lower level, just north of the western set of stairs, behind the caviar and truffles kiosk. Thu May 17 11:05:01 -0700 2007 2571502 97451 alisonb 3 2583716 Wild leeks in southern Ontario can be found in large numbers in most deciduous woods beginning in april. They are getting quite fat at the base (bulb) now, and are currently peaking. You can pick 'em anywere you have permission from the landowner. I like them best fried in a little olive oil/ butter then seasoned with s&p They are also excellent cooked this way & added to mashed potatoes or blitzed & made into a flavored butter for meats. Sat May 19 05:44:26 -0700 2007 2578175 98048 damadchef 1 2598366 I was just salivating about ramps this week - I tried them for the first time last year and they are delicious. I actually purchased them at the Guelph Farmers Market and am going there this weekend hoping they will have them again. I will let you know if they do. Thu May 24 09:28:55 -0700 2007 2494924 55741 fanfood 1 2598394 They can still be found at The Big Carrot - $2.79 for a small bunch; they're looking a bit yellow on the edges of the leaves, but the stalks were still firm and crisp. Thu May 24 09:35:51 -0700 2007 2494924 19782 Full tummy 2 2599027 ...yeah..i'm awild leek harvester and some of them go to the carrot...the yellowing on the leaves occurs when the bulb matures and does not mean the product is not fresh...this weekend will be the last delivery with the leves on..the heat makes them yellow off quickly...on monday we madewild leek/basil and wild leek /parsley pestos to sell at riverdale organic market on tuesday...they are harvested on private woodlots and crown land with great attention to long term sustainability... Thu May 24 12:13:11 -0700 2007 2598394 100870 cetochtli 3 2603158 long term would be not picking, and not sending to the carrot. Fri May 25 18:11:01 -0700 2007 2599027 56131 jayt90 4 2605723 ...well in in quebec they were harvested to the point of endangerment,they had always been a quebecois staple...so a harvest ban was imposed which soon was picked up by the capital area...but most ontario leeks still go to quebec and they harvest sometimes with ATV's hauling small trailers....they use them mostly to make pickles.....however they can be harvested over the long term with out endangerment by not overharvesting because they are naturally so prolific..the rule of thumb i use is not to take more than 5% of a crop per year...i have harvested the same sites since the early 90's and if anything they are more abundant than when i first started to harvest. Sun May 27 07:54:15 -0700 2007 2603158 100870 cetochtli 5 2608188 I notice they come in clumps and singles. I assume the clumps are from bulbs that have divided and that the singles are from seed. Which should be picked to preserve a patch? Also, cetochtli, or anyone else, are the bulbs of any use once the leaves are done? Mon May 28 13:12:46 -0700 2007 2605723 55318 DockPotato 6 2611875 ....the bulbs split and they also spread by seed...often you see little clumps of babies which most be seedlings and they are to small to harvest..i think the best way to preserve a patch is to wander thru the woods and take a little here and a little there ..they have been limited to a 50 bulb harvest since 1995 and no commmercial sales in quebec but there is a history there of centuries of over harvest...same goes for high population areas of appalacia namely tennesse where it is on a caution could become endangered list....but in ontario logging and indfference( it thrives in second growth forest) have resuted in an abundance.....so the challenge will be to preserve the bounty with an ongoing limited harvest...retailers buying wholesale from harvesters should be interested in the harvesting methods...oh by the way the bulb peaks in flavour and texture just as the leaves are yellowing off...when you see the flower it starts to get a little woody. Tue May 29 18:17:09 -0700 2007 2608188 100870 cetochtli 5 2613185 How much longer will they be available for at the Carrot? I was away last week. Wed May 30 08:31:34 -0700 2007 2605723 12120 julesrules 3 2607638 I got some of that pesto on Tuesday--it was amazing! Mon May 28 08:31:05 -0700 2007 2599027 16219 TwinklyTerrapin 4 2611918 ..glad you liked it...i just happened to be in a health food store in perth and they had this really fresh leafy basil at a really good price which is rare this time of year...i made some thai basil wild leek pesto for next week hopefully....trying out a chimichurri with wild leek which is this argentine thing of chopped parsley,garlic,scallion,olive oil,lemon,alittle fresh oregano or thyme finely chopped..it's great with lotsa olive oil for dipping baugette. Tue May 29 18:31:46 -0700 2007 2607638 100870 cetochtli 1 2605377 I bought some today at the farmer's market in Withrow park. The market will be held every Saturday morning. Maybe they will be available next week also. I made some pasta with a carbonara sauce, my wife liked it. Sat May 26 22:27:52 -0700 2007 2494924 41175 foodyDudey 2 2605730 They've hit the mainstream now. Pusateri's north, a bunch of about 15 for 4.99. Sun May 27 07:59:27 -0700 2007 2605377 80671 Snarf 1 4624117 I used to know an "urban forager" who would find ramp (aka wild leek) in the city's ravine systems. He never disclosed the locations, because he knew this was illegal. Also collected fiddleheads (fernbrake) and morels, all of these coming in at roughly the same season. A warning to would be foragers: False morels can make you very sick, as can fiddleheads once they start opening (and some people are sensitive to them even as just shoots). Also, these spring delicacies pop up in the same areas as poison ivy (as I found out during a trip to an area where foraging is legal.) Outside of the city, there's also deer ticks (which carry Lyme disease). Short story: unless you are an expert, or with one, don't harvest wild flora. Thu Apr 23 23:27:35 -0700 2009 2494924 53727 Ginsugirl 2 4624549 You don't need to be an expert, but you do need to study up a bit. I will agree about the morels - mushrooms can be dangerous - but deer ticks? Fiddleheads? Please. Dress properly - tuck your pant cuffs into socks and wear long sleeves to avoid ticks. Learn what they look like and check yourself after an outing into the woods to make sure you haven't picked up any. As for fiddleheads - eat them while they're tightly furled. Definitely learn which ones are the proper fern to pick - there are different kinds and not all are edible. If you're sensitive to fiddleheads, you'll have some gastrointestinal discomfort but it's not fatal. Ramps are easy. They smell and taste like onions. If it doesn't smell and taste like an onion, it's not a ramp. But even so - if you find a patch, don't clear-cut it. Just take a few and leave the rest of the patch to regenerate. They're pretty slow to spread so really need to be modest with your picking. Final word: respect the plants, respect the environment and be a responsible forager. Fri Apr 24 07:17:03 -0700 2009 4624117 12383 Nyleve 3 4626272 Agreed. No-one should fear a little walk in the woods where there are no signs or paths. Re morels: Once you positively see a morel it is learned. A woodlot, pasture, river or stream where you can harvest is not usually a common: get permission or have a bad day. "Permission" is usually surprisingly easy to obtain and can result in new friendships. When foraging take 2 bags with you - a big one and a small one. Fill the small one with your finds and the bigger one with the litter and garbage that you will find. Take only what you need to eat fresh - never, never let anything go to waste. Fri Apr 24 16:13:16 -0700 2009 4624549 55318 DockPotato 3 4626599 Excellent points, Nyleve. And for those of you who would like to learn about mushroom foraging, you might consider contacting the Mycological Society of Toronto www.myctor.org Fri Apr 24 18:17:09 -0700 2009 4624549 232011 Tatai 4 4626605 Yes, I have considered joining. Have you gone on any of the walks? Fri Apr 24 18:19:47 -0700 2009 4626599 19782 Full tummy 5 4626847 Not yet, but I know someone who's been a member for years and it sounds fascinating. Fri Apr 24 20:02:35 -0700 2009 4626605 232011 Tatai 1 4627145 The best places to find edible mushrooms are areas that have been burnt by forest fires during the previous seasons (they've been doing this on purpose in Japan and parts of the US for ages). Apparently, the mix of charred wood and plenty of rain creates ideal conditions. Fri Apr 24 23:54:37 -0700 2009 2494924 53727 Ginsugirl 1 4671599 Quite a few places to get ramps right now in Toronto - Nutritionista Healthfood store on Dundas & Dovercourt carries them & when she's out she can order them for you Cathy @ # 647-427-5081 also the Dufferin grove market on thursday & ko fruit on Roncesvalles & Garden Sun May 10 16:57:05 -0700 2009 2494924 291604 luna181 2 4675533 Ko had quite a few bunches today! Mmmm. Mon May 11 21:04:13 -0700 2009 4671599 195015 thora 1 4671858 Anywhere to get them in the east end? I bought several bunches at SLM and I ended up pickling them. they were outstanding and now I would like to pick some up but I am looking for a place down by the Beaches (because I work and live out in the east end) Am I out of luck? Sun May 10 18:45:42 -0700 2009 2494924 11551 Apple 2 4671904 You might be able to find them at The Farmer's Daughter on Kingston Rd. http://www.fresheverything.ca/ Sun May 10 19:07:49 -0700 2009 4671858 232011 Tatai 2 4671922 You are close enough to the Rouge to look for wild bunches. In Quebec this is illegal, but we can still do it. Next weekend may be the last, but morels are coming on with the rains we are experiencing. Ramps are easy to find compared to morels. Sun May 10 19:18:22 -0700 2009 4671858 56131 jayt90 3 4671938 thanks Tatai - I will have to check it out... Thanks jayt90 - I never really fancied myself as a forager... but I could do it - I think. I was just reading the thread on morels.. Sun May 10 19:28:01 -0700 2009 4671922 11551 Apple 1 4672081 Check out Eric Velland's wild leek soup recipe in the the Star on May 6th. I pick up a whole bunch for $10/lb at Wychwood over the weekend and made the soup. If you make it, use the cream that the author says is optional. Excellent soup. Green and delish. http://www.thestar.com/living/article/629473 Sun May 10 20:44:38 -0700 2009 2494924 21022 acd123 1 4677442 brickworks farmer's market starts next weekend. and i remember wild leeks being there last year. i'd bet there'll be wild leek pesto too. Tue May 12 13:08:49 -0700 2009 2494924 208412 foodismyhobby 1 4677625 Wild Leeks at the Riverdale Farmer's Market for $5 a half pound. Tue May 12 13:55:59 -0700 2009 2494924 23934 DrewStar 2 4692661 Got to love the wild leeks and fiddleheads in Peterborough, ON. This will be the last week for the fiddleheads. Both species can be found in abundance in the wilderniess parks within the city limits. Close to my lhouse is a field of about 2 or 3 acres of fiddleheads. Always leave some for next year and the corms will regenerate. Just search the freshets. (The areas covered by water during the melt, alongside the streams.) The leeks need 20 years, I am told, to regenerate so yes, please, harvest for your own use, but have a care to preserve. Sun May 17 19:06:36 -0700 2009 4677625 293638 bruised 1 4709724 summerhill market is selling them right now Sat May 23 17:44:17 -0700 2009 2494924 85076 flying101 2 4709766 I gave them up long ago. Got tired of self-exhonerating poachers stealing them from private property. They're not sustainable and won't last if the commercial market expands. Sat May 23 18:08:30 -0700 2009 4709724 16382 Kagemusha 3 4709856 It's illegal to pick them in Quebec. If they become scarce here, we'll see the same law. Sat May 23 19:03:19 -0700 2009 4709766 56131 jayt90 4 4709898 Somehow, I don't see Dalton banning the foraging of ramps anytime soon. I believe that Quebeckers have a much stronger gastronomic and culinary heritage than Ontarians, which allows such a law to make sense in la belle province. Here, the pickers will continue to run rampant (ha!) with their wild leek foraging and nothing will likely get in the way to stop them, unfortunately. Sat May 23 19:29:28 -0700 2009 4709856 232011 Tatai