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Elizabeth E. Apr 12, 2007 02:33 PM

I need to arrange a dinner for 6 - 8 people, including 3 colleagues who will be visiting from Paris. We'll be out in the Reston area during the day, but would like to have one dinner in the District so they see a little of Washington. I'd like a restaurant:
--- quiet enough that we don't struggle to carry on a conversation
--- great American regional cuisine
--- interesting wine list
--- a great room or view or Washington feel

It will probably be a Tuesday evening in early May.

Thanks for your help.

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    jaydreb Apr 12, 2007 02:36 PM

    I'm assuming price is not an issue? If so, I would recommend any of the following:

    Vidalia - classy southern style restaurant

    1789

    The Prime Rib - classic American steakhouse

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      Steve Apr 12, 2007 04:31 PM

      I'd recommend B. Smith's in the former Presidential Suite at Union Station. Upscale Southern. Historic gorgeous setting, and your companions will have had nothing like it back home. I recommend the Swamp Thang (scallops, shrimp and crayfish over greens) and the lemon pepper catfish.

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        Dakota Guy Apr 13, 2007 06:57 AM

        I realize that everyone has a right to their opinion but B. Smith's is simply awful. The ambiance, food, and service are forgetable, at best. I have tried it several times and been overwhelmingly disappointed each time. I would never return. I'd rather eat at Uno's or McDonald's in Union Station.

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          Elyssa Apr 13, 2007 07:58 AM

          I have to agree. I was very underwhelmed at B. Smith's when I went there. If you are looking for gourmet southern food I would suggest Vidalia or Georgia Browns instead...much better in all aspects

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            Steve Apr 13, 2007 11:57 AM

            Yeah, I can see where the Presidential Suite would have a lousy ambience. NOT. Have you tried what I recommended? Swamp Thang is outrageously good and several other Chowhounds who have taken my advice have thanked me for it.

            I do not say that B. Smith's is a great restaurant, but I believe it is the best suggestion I've heard on this thread based on what the OP is looking for. And I've been to almost all the others.

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            Steve Apr 13, 2007 12:05 PM

            By the way, here is a photo of B. Smith's.... in case anyone would like to judge for themselves..... it is one of the most historic settings of any restaurant in the entire country!

             
          3. PakaloloDreams Apr 12, 2007 11:30 PM

            Johnny's Half Shell where the old La Coline was, near the Capitol Bldg., might even see the lobbyists and politicos hanging, heh. good seafood and great location. Johnny's was a fav in its old place in dupont circle. Ann Cashion was a partner in Johnny's Half Shell, may still be, but see below. Good wine list.

            I second Vidalia's or Georgia Brown's for southern upscale dining, but no views.

            Occidental Grill, Charlie Palmers for de rigueur steak house DC style. great big steaks bruddha, and probably lots of lobbyists around. good standard wine list. heh.

            I'd give a shout out for my neighborhood restaurant, Cashion's Eat Place, in Adams Morgan. A lively diverse neighborhood instead of downtown monotony, the restaurant serves exciting takes on new american cooking, though the place can be loud on weekends. It's won several awards and commendations, etc. The 18th St. strip is one block over for drinks, or music (check out Madam's Organ), or just wandering. No view except for a *cool* neighborhood, your mileage may vary ;-)

            Restaurant Nora, organic food (meat and vegs from local and near local producers) cooked very well, elegant atmosphere, good wines, in nice neighborhood (Dupont Circle).

            just a starting and fun list, happy hunting!

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              jpschust Apr 13, 2007 05:59 AM

              Ignore Madams Organ and just hike up the stairs at The Reef and go on the roof bar- best view of Adams Morgan and the best beer selection out there. I love Cashion's as well.

              We need to do a chowhound neighborhood meetup for AM

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                Jeserf Apr 13, 2007 06:08 AM

                Why AM? Am I the only one what would SSOOO much rather avoid the popped-collars, fake tans, mom and dad pay the tab, intern going scene that permiates Adams Morgan most of the time?
                DC9...black cat...the H street bars are very decent.
                meh, maybe I'm just old and don't dig the post-fraternity scene.

                I had a good brunch at Cashions though!

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                  jpschust Apr 13, 2007 06:29 AM

                  You just need to learn where to go in AM to avoid that. There are safe havens in the area- The Reef, Bourbon on weekdays, Asylum, sometimes Toledo Lounge, Pharmacy Bar, T.S. Mutleys only to make fun of Ohio State fans, Tryst during the week. There's a lot of really good stuff going on down in Adams Morgan and you don't have to suffer through the annoying weekend crowd if you don't want to.

                  I like DC9, I like Black Cat when there's good stuff there which seems to be getting less and less often, and H street is great, but still VERY crunchy after the bars let out and getting a cab is very hard there.

                  A few others that are great are Bar Pilar, Cafe St-Ex (never on weekends), Logan Tavern, Stoney's, I can go on :)

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                    Jeserf Apr 13, 2007 11:33 AM

                    I've to adams almost every night of the week that i can remember (my ex used to work near 18th st). I enjoy going for a few things that are only there - amsterdam falafal, etc, but the bars there are nothing special.

                    I'll never go back to Logan Tavern after too many times of being treated like an inconvenience to the staff. I used to live around the corner, and now...forget it.

                    Give me the red room any night of the week!

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                      jpschust Apr 13, 2007 11:43 AM

                      I'll find it hard to believe that The Reef, Bourbon, and Asylum are nothing special. The Reef regularly has beers on tap you'll rarely find in the United States, let alone in DC, Bourbon has one of the finest selections of bourbon I've ever seen in a bar, and Asylum- I mean it's a vegan biker bar. That seems pretty normal to me :)

                      Not to mention the live music regularly coming through the area.

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                        Jeserf Apr 13, 2007 12:29 PM

                        I know asylum...hard to be into scooters and not know it there.
                        I don't drink bourbon, so that's why I don't find it special, yet I did note the liquor selection as good at Bourbon. And noted that I liked the Bourbon in Glover a little better (especially when it's cold out because it's more cozy inside).

                        Doesn't mean these places are terrible...just that the vibe I personally look for in a bar is very much lacking in a large part of DC. But, c'est la vie!

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                  PakaloloDreams Apr 18, 2007 06:38 AM

                  Madams Organ: I just thought the French visitors would like to hear some live *funky* music in a DC dive and dig the locals who go there on a Tuesday night, and not just some DJ boom boom room, heh. But the Reef is cool, especially the aquarium and yah the view if the weather is all right, heh.

                  And, for the posters below who bemoan the weekend problems with Adams Morgan, yah, people, I live here so I know, but the OP was talking about a Tuesday night, and the weeknights here are wonderful, I know because that's the only time I go out in my neighborhood, hehheh.

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                    jpschust Apr 18, 2007 06:43 AM

                    Just a note about the weather at the Reef, the Reef recently installed an entire tented roof system with heaters all around, so you can get to 60-70 degrees rain free 364 days a year now. They close on X mas day I believe.

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                      Jeserf Apr 18, 2007 07:39 AM

                      do they remove it when the weather is lovely? Can people smoke in the tent because it's technically outside?

                      It'd be a shame to miss out on open air on DC's beautiful nights.

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                        jpschust Apr 18, 2007 07:51 AM

                        Yes- it is fully retractable within about 20 or 30 minutes and yes, people can smoke in the tent year round.

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                          Jeserf Apr 18, 2007 09:51 AM

                          ah, well thanks for the info, i'll be sure to scratch that off my list. Tent's + smoke = worse than being in a smoke bar IMO.

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                            jpschust Apr 18, 2007 09:56 AM

                            Just a heads up- when people are smoking and it's cold out what they normally do is open a few flaps on the non wind side from what i've seen so there's still ventilation. I'd go up there and check it out next time you are in the area before writing it off- there's no cover nor is there a dress code.

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                              Jeserf Apr 18, 2007 10:00 AM

                              Wow! A bar without a cover OR a dress code!
                              I can't believe my good fortune!

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                                BritInDC Apr 18, 2007 10:06 AM

                                And great raspberry beer too!

                                Does Madam's Organ have a cover?

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                                  jpschust Apr 18, 2007 10:13 AM

                                  Madam's Organ virtually always has a cover because of the live music. That said, I've rarely seen it over 5 bucks.

                                  As an aside to this and I think we are beginning to get far afield of the original topic, but it's still somewhat relevant- I'm of the personal opinion that bars in general should NEVER have a cover charge unless you are getting a live DJ or live music. Make your money off my drinks, not off me walking in the door.

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                                    Jeserf Apr 18, 2007 10:21 AM

                                    yep, it's relevant b/c sending someone looking for food and drink to a place with a cover should be illegal on CH!

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                  monkeyrotica Apr 13, 2007 06:36 AM

                  I'll second Johnny's Half Shell. Great views of the Capitol, Union Station, and a short walk to the Mall.

                  And the oyster po' boys ROCK.

                4. ChocoHound Apr 13, 2007 05:31 AM

                  1789. Ask for the John Carroll Room. Early maps of the city and prints from George Washington's time. You won't have an outside view--- but the food is spectacular, great wine list, and it's quiet/ refined atmosphere (jackets required for gentlemen- no jeans athletic wear). The restaurant is situated in a Federal period house in Georgetown, about 1 block from the university. The University grounds are quite pituresque for a short stroll after dinner.

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                    Dakota Guy Apr 13, 2007 06:54 AM

                    A great suggestion ! Many of the places mentioned above are fun, casual, noisy places but not appropriate for business dinners.

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                    Elyssa Apr 13, 2007 07:55 AM

                    I 2nd the idea of Vidalia, Georgia Browns, or 1789...all have wonderful, truly American food with a nice ambiance and interesting rooms.

                    Other ideas:

                    *Blue Duck Tavern--especially if you want fresh local ingrediants, you can't beat it!
                    *Although I've never been someplace like The Caucus Room might be a nice, truly DC experience.

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                      Elyssa Apr 13, 2007 08:02 AM

                      I should mention though that when I went to Georgia Brown's a month or so ago it was packed (Food and Friends night) and exstremly loud. I don't know if others have had this problem but while the food is fantastic it might not do for a quiet business dinner.

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                        monkeyrotica Apr 13, 2007 09:36 AM

                        I have yet to go to Georgia Brown's when it wasn't deafening or packed, but that's usually on a weekend. Since the OP mentioned they'd be going on a Tuesday, that may not be a problem if they get there early.

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                        Dakota Guy Apr 13, 2007 08:09 AM

                        I think BDT is a love it or hate it experience. I hated it (both times). Rather than the Caucus Room, places across Lafayette Park from the White House that are good include Equinox and the Oval Room. Might want to consider the Hay Adams or the WIllard for historical references. Their food is not as good, for example, as Equinox nor is their ambiance as Colonial Ameican as 1789, which is where I recommend you go.

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                          Elyssa Apr 13, 2007 08:39 AM

                          I totally forgot about Equinox. With the amount of people you have I would most definitly request the private wine room. When I has a special event there we had an amazing experience with the service and pre-fixed meal.

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                            AlyKen Apr 13, 2007 11:33 AM

                            I liked the Oval Room and Equinox when I've been. The company for which I used to work used these constantly for business lunches/dinners.

                        2. anhdeluxe Apr 18, 2007 10:18 PM

                          It's not precisely in the District, but you could try Indigo Landing for the view. Other places that are not quite DC but still have everything else you require: Restaurant Eve, Vermillion or Tallulah. In DC proper, I second Cashion's but it can be noisy. I recommend St. Ex, Kinkead's, Olives or the Oval Room. (in graduating levels of formality) I was really not impressed with the quality at Prime Rib. My favorite fancy steakhouse in DC is Sam and Harry's.

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                            DC Taco Apr 19, 2007 06:50 AM

                            A couple of people have mentioned Charlie Palmer and I wanted to make sure it didn't get lost in the crowd. Very good steaks, great appetizers (the Foie Gras is especially tasty), all American wine list and a fantastic, dramatic view of the capitol.

                            I also agree with the posters who suggest 1789. You could also try the Capital Grill for a "DC Experience."

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                              dinwiddie Apr 19, 2007 06:51 AM

                              I'm not sure what price level you are looking at, but you might consider Charlie Palmers. It is not the first place anyone would suggest, but it has a great view of the Capitol, has a great, if somewhat expensive wine list, the food is good and well presented (not the best steak in town, but not shabby), service is first rate, and it is one of the DC "power places" when discussing restaurants. It is certainly not noisy, and is very representative of the "American restaurant." They have done some very nice dinners for us and we've always come away satisfied.

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                                mgmclaughlin Apr 19, 2007 11:23 AM

                                What about Acadiana? Doubt your French colleagues have ever had gator or crawfish gumbo? Wine list not awesome, tho.

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                                  bachinskin Apr 19, 2007 09:43 PM

                                  I also recommend Charlie Palmer's for the view and the food. Also recommend 701 (Navy Memorial right outside) and quiet enough for conversation if you don't sit near the piano, or the Oval Room. Both have good American food and are nice rooms.

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