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Rebekah26 Apr 11, 2007 06:14 PM

My parents are coming to SF this weekend and want Italian. Please recommend your favorites (and somewhere you think we can still get a reservation!). My husband and I just moved to the area.

Thanks!

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  1. Robert Lauriston RE: Rebekah26 Apr 11, 2007 09:24 PM

    Incanto.

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      Navin R Johnson RE: Robert Lauriston Apr 12, 2007 08:26 AM

      Second that- it's not your typical veal parm type of place so check the menu out, but the quality and creativity are hard to beat.

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      margieco RE: Rebekah26 Apr 11, 2007 09:24 PM

      Ristorante Ideale is great (on grant) and you can still get a reservation.

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        whiner RE: Rebekah26 Apr 11, 2007 09:46 PM

        Don't know about reservations.

        Best are:
        Acquarello (by reputation)
        A16
        Delfina

        Probably in that order.

        You can still probably get a reservation at Capannina or Luella. Never been to Incanto.

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          Robert Lauriston RE: whiner Apr 12, 2007 09:57 AM

          To me, the best Italian places are (in alphabetical order) A16, Antica Trattoria, Incanto, and La Ciccia. Incanto's my favorite and probably the easiest to get into on short notice.

          Luella has some Italian-influenced dishes but it's definitely not an Italian restaurant. They describe themselves as "Mediterranean inspired."

          Acquerello's sort of French-Italian, or at least very heavily French-influenced Italian. It's not so much better as different from first-rate Italian places.

          Delfina's great but while its pastas are very Italian, its entrees are more California.

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            Ruth Lafler RE: Robert Lauriston Apr 12, 2007 10:05 AM

            You forgot to mention that La Ciccia is Sardinian. If you go there expecting "Italian" you might be a little disappointed (the chef told us that he's frequently has complaints that his food "isn't Italian").

            Again, it cannot be stressed enough that none of these places are "red sauce" Italian/Italian American food, like you'd see on the East Coast and Midwest. Depending on where you and your parents are from, the best Italian in the city may not be what you're looking for.

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              Robert Lauriston RE: Ruth Lafler Apr 12, 2007 10:19 AM

              A16 and La Ciccia all focus on Italian cuisines of specific regions, but they also have dishes you might find anywhere in Italy. People who complain that the food at La Ciccia isn't Italian have a lot to learn about Italian food.

              http://www.a16sf.com/Menu.html
              http://www.anticasf.com/menu.php
              http://incanto.biz/sample_menu.html
              http://laciccia.com/la_ciccia/menu.html

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              readingstand RE: Robert Lauriston Apr 15, 2007 11:56 PM

              While I think "pastas Italian, entrees Californian" is a fair summary of those parts of Delfina's menu, I'd add that the appetizers, salads, and sides are predominantly Italian, often to a pretty obscure/authentic degree, at least to my non-expert eye & palate. (Tonight's apps, for example, are grilled sardines w/warm white bean salad; speck w/shaved artichokes & parmigiano; chicken liver spiedini [skewers] w/guanciale & balsalmico; and salt cod montecato w/walnut oil & fennel seed flatbread.) The desserts are of mixed provenance; the wines an even split Cal/Ital; the excellent espresso drinks, very Italian.

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                Robert Lauriston RE: readingstand Apr 16, 2007 08:59 AM

                Very true. I think they go California on the entrees because Italian entrees tend to be plain and simple to a degree that people here don't appreciate. Oliveto has also gone somewhat in that direction since Bertolli left.

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                  readingstand RE: Robert Lauriston Apr 18, 2007 11:45 AM

                  That seems sound, except that the two entrees that are on the menu every single night, out of a total of five, are roast chicken w/mashed potatoes & mushrooms, and steak w/frites--both pretty plain & simple (and the latter more French bistro than Californian). Stoll told the Chron some years ago how he didn't mean those two to be permanent, but had them on when they opened and would face an uproar if he ever removed them. I think that it's each night's two fish entrees that tend to the Californian. The final entree, usually pork or duck or rabbit or the like, is usually pretty Italian in style.

          2. shnigglebob RE: Rebekah26 Apr 11, 2007 10:01 PM

            One of my favorites is still Venticello up in Nob Hill. It's on the corner of Washington and Taylor. Great friendly staff and cozy interior. They have great gnocchi!

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              wandasue RE: shnigglebob Apr 12, 2007 02:54 PM

              I have to agree. My husband and I are in SF once a year for only a few days and Venticello is a definite stop. We regularly entertain a group there, and no one has been disappointed yet.

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                whiner RE: wandasue Apr 12, 2007 03:54 PM

                I've been to Venticello several times because my friends like it. I like it too, but I can't say I'm crazy about it. Good, but I think what they are doing at several other Italian restaurants in town blows itaway. (The same could be said about Milano.)

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              DavidT RE: Rebekah26 Apr 12, 2007 08:53 AM

              Three other worth considering are:

              Perbacco (230 California St.) - featuring the foods of the Piemonte and Ligurian regions of Italian. A little on the expensive side.

              Milano (1448 Pacific) - A more casual, trattoria-style place. The food is more Tuscan-Roman.

              Antica Trattoria (2400 Polk St.) - Similar to Milano.

              Be aware that San Francisco does not have much of the red-sauce/garlic Italian food traditionally found in much of the northeast U.S.

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                brokergal RE: Rebekah26 Apr 12, 2007 09:47 AM

                Acquerello in Pacific Heights

                1. Paul H RE: Rebekah26 Apr 12, 2007 10:16 AM

                  Some people think Quince is the best Italian place in the city, and it certainly should be mentioned in this topic. Others will diss it as being Cal-Ital. My opinion is that Quince is Cal-influenced Italian.

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                    mlucier RE: Rebekah26 Apr 12, 2007 10:38 AM

                    I like Sodinio's in Northbeach. They don't do reservations, so a wait for a table on Friday or Saturday could take up to 45 minutes, But is run by friendly locals nad the food is great. It is more "American" Italian. Great gnocci and I LOOOOOVE thier Seafood Linguini. They are on Green at Grant Street.

                    The other place I think is delicious is Trattoria Contadina on Union at Mason Street. They have great Italian food and make reservations.

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                      Robert Lauriston RE: mlucier Apr 12, 2007 11:10 AM

                      Sodini's = Green Valley, one of the last remaining old-school family-style North Beach Italian-American restaurants. Peter Sodini also owns Golden Boy, and last year took over Bertolucci's in South SF.

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                      mrsricho RE: Rebekah26 Apr 12, 2007 11:56 AM

                      I heart Capannina!

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                        Alba RE: mrsricho Apr 12, 2007 02:30 PM

                        It totally depends what type of Italian food you're looking for ... these recs cover regional menus from Milan to Sicily.

                        For southern Italian fare head to A16, for northern it's Ristorante Milano, and for an eclectic mix head to Delfina. I like Ideale too but it's not in the same category of cooking as the others.

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                          christineb RE: mrsricho Apr 12, 2007 03:02 PM

                          LOVE Capannina as well...
                          Please skip out on A16. It's completely overrated. Our pizza was burned, and so spicy I could barely eat it.
                          Perbacco is also fantastic. Try their homemade salumis!

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                            Alba RE: christineb Apr 12, 2007 04:33 PM

                            How many times have you tried A16? Are you judging on one visit? I've been at least half a dozen times and have never had a bad pizza. They're the closest thing to traditional Napolitana pizza without getting on Alitalia!

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                              Robert Lauriston RE: Alba Apr 12, 2007 05:43 PM

                              To some people's taste, a properly charred Neapolitan-style crust is burnt.

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                                christineb RE: Alba Apr 19, 2007 12:26 PM

                                I've been to A16 twice. Both times I was completely underwhelmed.

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                                  rworange RE: christineb Apr 19, 2007 12:44 PM

                                  What did you order? Why were you underwhelmed?

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                                    christineb RE: rworange Apr 19, 2007 12:47 PM

                                    God, there are some serious A16 lovers on here! :)
                                    We has the burrata, which was great. The gnocci (which was a special that night) was soggy and salty, and the pizza was burned and extremely spicy. The wine list was impressive, but in my own opinion (NOT asking anyone to agree with me here) A16 isn't worth the hype.

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                                      rworange RE: christineb Apr 19, 2007 12:54 PM

                                      Thanks. I haven't been to A16 yet. At this point I'm thinking of sticking to the burrata and a glass of wine.

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                                        Robert Lauriston RE: rworange Apr 19, 2007 12:59 PM

                                        Try the pizza. Neapolitan style is a bit softer than New York, but it's similarly thin and dark.

                                        The house-cured cold cuts are excellent. They do octopus and squid really well. They don't always have meatballs but they're great. I think everything I've had with pork has been great there. Lunch is quieter and more relaxed.

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                                          rworange RE: Robert Lauriston Apr 19, 2007 01:06 PM

                                          Oh yeah, thanks. I forgot about the meatballs. Thanks for the other tips.

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                                uptown jimmy RE: christineb Apr 16, 2007 09:31 AM

                                I have never in my life had better food than at A16, especially the pizza. Awesome experience, great atmosphere, service, etc. But that pizza was something else.

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                                  a_and_w RE: christineb Apr 16, 2007 10:50 AM

                                  Your pizza was too "spicy"?

                                  Just to defend A16, the burratta and house sausage are as good as I've had.

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                                    Robert Lauriston RE: a_and_w Apr 16, 2007 10:59 AM

                                    To ensure freshness, A16 has burrata from Gioia in Southern California flown in daily.

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                                      christineb RE: a_and_w Apr 19, 2007 12:27 PM

                                      Yes, it was too spicy. There was no note that it was spicy on the menu...I have a stomach ulcer, and I was in pain after I ate one piece.

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                                        Robert Lauriston RE: christineb Apr 19, 2007 12:39 PM

                                        Did the menu list chiles as one of the ingredients?

                                        I've never gotten a pizza there where the menu didn't say exactly what was on it.

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                                          christineb RE: Robert Lauriston Apr 19, 2007 12:48 PM

                                          It didn't list chiles...I wouldn't have gone near it if it did. I'm really careful about what I order because of my stomach issues.

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                                            Melanie Wong RE: christineb Apr 19, 2007 02:37 PM

                                            Oh, you have a medical problem that makes things "too spicy". Sorry to hear that. But you ate a whole piece anyway instead of stopping at the first bite?

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                                            Melanie Wong RE: Robert Lauriston Apr 19, 2007 02:36 PM

                                            The Romana and the Salsiccia both have chiles in them as listed on the menu. Don't know of any other pizzas there with spicy heat though there might be a daily special.
                                            http://www.a16sf.com/Dinner_Menu.htm

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                                            a_and_w RE: christineb Apr 19, 2007 02:49 PM

                                            D'oh! Sorry about the ulcer, but it sounds like you're unusually sensitive to spice. Then again, I'm probably the opposite extreme, so I'm guessing most people fall somewhere in between, meaning the average person might find it spicy but not overwhelmingly so...

                                            Truthfully, I'm not a huge fan of the true Neapolitan style of pizza, which A16 serves. But they do as authentic a representation as can be found in the US. I think it's important to respect the craft even if you don't personally prefer the food.

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                                      zippo RE: Rebekah26 Apr 12, 2007 04:18 PM

                                      has anyone been to Caffe Sport on Green Street a few doors east of Columbus in North Beach recently? haven't been in a while, but loved their pasta al pesto, scampi in white sauce and calamari ensalata. when I took friends and out-of-towners there and they always enjoyed themselves. I know, I know, the service way back when was rude and it's not true Sicilian cooking, nevertheless,.....

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                                        Sharuf RE: zippo Apr 16, 2007 01:58 AM

                                        Wonder how Caffe Sport is doing since the owner/chef died? It was one of my regular spots for taking visitors. Both the ambiance and the service were amusingly eccentric, to say the least. If you were female and the guy at the door liked you, you'd get a big smooch from him, got ushered in ahead of everyone else, and then service that was more than attentive - by that I mean that before you could give your order, he'd tell you what you were going to have, and that's what you would get.

                                        This is probably not what the OP had in mind. :-)

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                                          Robert Lauriston RE: Sharuf Apr 16, 2007 09:00 AM

                                          Once was enough for me, since they just chopped up our squid without cleaning them, didn't even take out the cuttlebone.

                                      2. Husky RE: Rebekah26 Apr 12, 2007 06:27 PM

                                        My top 10 (in no particular order):
                                        + Delfina
                                        + Pazzia
                                        + Perbacco
                                        + Incanto
                                        + Capannina
                                        + A16
                                        + Pane e Vino
                                        + Acquerello
                                        + Antica Trattoria
                                        + La Ciccia

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                                          Laura2 RE: Husky Apr 19, 2007 02:42 PM

                                          Haven't heard much about Capannina until now and they don't have much on their Web site. Could someone provide some information about the place and the menu/style of food? thanks.

                                          fyi, I think out-of-towners enjoy Antica Trattoria in particular because of its location on lower Russian Hill and that's the place I often recommend to people coming from afar for Italian.

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                                            Robert Lauriston RE: Laura2 Apr 19, 2007 02:49 PM

                                            Capannina's pretty good. My report seems to have disappeared. Here's one:

                                            http://www.chowhound.com/topics/36012

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                                              mrsricho RE: Laura2 Apr 19, 2007 02:54 PM

                                              There menu is listed here - http://sanfrancisco.menupages.com/res...
                                              I have really enjoyed the Caesar, Mozzarella with Peppers and Prosciutto, the Veal Scaloppine, and the Breaded Pork Cutlet - so much so that I've gotten the Veal and the Caesar multiple times and haven't branched out much! They have some fantastic wines on their wine list and wonderful service.


                                              Insalata Cesare Con Granchio Caesar Salad with Fresh Dungeness Crab & Croutons

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                                            duffyeater RE: Rebekah26 Apr 19, 2007 10:04 AM

                                            Quince , no doubt

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                                              Meredith RE: duffyeater Apr 20, 2007 02:17 PM

                                              I have been to Quince three times, and since the menu changes all the time, I am sure this is only representative of the times I have been there. But I the the appetizers range from good to amazing, every pasta I have tried either on my own or through shared bites has been outstanding, but I have never wanted more than one bite of any of the main dishes and the dessert haven't been fantastic either.
                                              The last time I went I actually applied lessons learned and orderd a light, vegetable pasta for my pasta course and a heavy meaty pasta for my entree. My table of 10 universally agreed that I was the luckiest one there (I didn't want to tell them it was just actually applying my insight learning - something I wish I did more often). So while I always want to recommend Quince, since those first two courses can make me swoon, the rest of the menu leaves me flat.

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